On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices on a
core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

AI Overview

Several high-profile U.S. city-owned or
government-backed grocery stores have struggled or ceased direct
municipal operations due to financial losses, including examples in
Baldwin, Florida; Erie, Kansas; and Kansas City,

Missouri.Documented
Municipal Grocer Failures and Transitions

Baldwin, Florida: Opened a
city-run grocery store in 2019 after the last private market closed,
but it failed to break even and permanently closed in 2024.

Erie,
Kansas: The city purchased and ran its local grocery store starting in
2020, but after suffering continuous financial losses, the city
transferred operations to a private company in 2024.

Kansas City,
Missouri: Operated a Sun Fresh Market location with substantial
taxpayer subsidies that ultimately foundered and closed.

St. Paul,
Kansas: Faced heavy annual operating losses (reportedly losing around
$100,000 a year) running its municipal store before shifting toward
private lease management.


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On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:36:59 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices on a
core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

Each time? Are you sure?

AI Overview

Yes, a few city-backed or municipally supported grocery stores have
succeeded, mostly as small rural co-ops or community-focused
public-private models, such as Oasis Market (nygroove.nyc) in Tulsa
and small-town Kansas co-ops.

Large-scale municipal government-run stores remain rare and
experimental.

Successful and Notable Publicly Supported Models

Oasis Market (North Tulsa, Oklahoma): Opened in 2021 on public land
with local government support and private fundraising. It serves as a successful neighborhood hub providing fresh food, a community room,
and social services in a former food desert.

Rural Municipal Groceries (Kansas): Small towns like St. Paul, Kansas,
have successfully used city-owned or community-supported enterprise
models to maintain local access to food where private legacy grocers
pulled out decades prior.

(snip cherries)

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Malte Runz

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 01:08:54 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:36:59 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices
on a core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

Each time? Are you sure?

Quite.

Just as big a failure as "guaranteed income", you socialist slut.


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On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 22:20:08 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 01:08:54 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:36:59 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices
on a core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

Each time? Are you sure?

Quite.

Snipping two examples that proved your wrong doesn't make you right.

Just as big a failure as "guaranteed income", you socialist slut.

When cornered, hurl insults.

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Malte Runz

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On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 11:05:58 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 22:20:08 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2026 01:08:54 +0200
Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 11:36:59 -0600, Clawed Dallas <ow@hy.ee> wrote:

On Tue, 28 Jul 2026 06:48:36 -0400
Deep State <deep.state@ms-cbs.dnc> wrote:

Radical Democratic Socialist New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani
announced Monday that the city will open five city-owned,
taxpayer-funded grocery stores, one in each borough, with prices
on a core basket of items set at up to 30% below typical
retail.

Each time this has been tried it quickly fails:

Each time? Are you sure?

Quite.

Snipping two examples that proved your wrong doesn't make you right.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDebate/comments/1gbtcph/the_largest_study _ever_conducted_on_universal/?rdt=50407

The largest study ever conducted on Universal Basic Income shows it to be a
complete failure.
Here's the link to the National Bureau of Economic Research study: https:// www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w32719/w32719.pdf

Abstract: "We study the causal impacts of income on a rich array of
employment outcomes, leveraging an experiment in which 1,000 low-income individuals were randomized into receiving $1,000 per month
unconditionally for three years, with a control group of 2,000
participants receiving $50/ month. We gather detailed survey data, administrative records, and data from a custom mobile phone app. The
transfer caused total individual income to fall by about $1,500/year
relative to the control group, excluding the transfers. The program
resulted in a 2.0 percentage point decrease in labor market
participation for participants and a 1.3-1.4 hour per week reduction in
labor hours, with participants? partners reducing their hours worke
d by
a comparable amount. The transfer generated the largest increases in
time spent on leisure, as well as smaller increases in time spent in
other activities such as transportation and finances. Despite asking
detailed questions about amenities, we find no impact on quality of
employment, and our confidence intervals can rule out even small
improvements. We observe no significant effects on investments in human capital, though younger participants may pursue more formal education.
Overall, our results suggest a moderate labor supply effect that does
not appear offset by other productive activities."

Just as big a failure as "guaranteed income", you socialist slut.

When cornered, hurl insults.

The only thing you seem capable of "cornering" is a over-sized salad.


https://www.badgerinstitute.org/the-harm-of-guaranteed-basic-income/

https://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/commentary/universal-basic- income-has-been-tried-it-didnt-work

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adammillsap/2024/07/25/new-study-finds-that-a- guaranteed-income-does-not-guarantee-benefits/







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