https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots* of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots* of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers, for
the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in the
next few weeks.
Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers, for
the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in the
next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers, for
the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in the
next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots* of
quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers, for
the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in the
next few weeks.
Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers, for
the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in the
next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
Axel wrote:
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
p.s. the motor show is on this weekend.
On 10/04/2026 8:07 pm, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
p.s. the motor show is on this weekend.
Why would anyone want to spend $47.50 for an entry ticket to see cars
you can see (and drive) for free at any dealership?
On 10/04/2026 8:06 pm, Axel wrote:
Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
its not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers,
for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in
the next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
When did he say that?
Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 8:07 pm, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
p.s. the motor show is on this weekend.
Why would anyone want to spend $47.50 for an entry ticket to see cars
you can see (and drive) for free at any dealership?
because you can see them all in one place
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 8:06 pm, Axel wrote:
Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots* >>>>> of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
its not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers,
for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in
the next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
When did he say that?
awhile ago, at least once, maybe more, and this recently on 29/3/26..
"I've been looking at PHEV's on carsales since very soon I'm going to
have a big surplus of electricity, without going out and looking
physically the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross looks to be reasonably good
value, I can't bring myself to even look at anything Chinese so if we do
buy a PHEV it will most like be Japanese or Korean"
Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 8:07 pm, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
p.s. the motor show is on this weekend.
Why would anyone want to spend $47.50 for an entry ticket to see cars
you can see (and drive) for free at any dealership?
because you can see them all in one place
Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 8:07 pm, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
p.s. the motor show is on this weekend.
Why would anyone want to spend $47.50 for an entry ticket to see cars
you can see (and drive) for free at any dealership?
because you can see them all in one place
and sit in different makes, decide what you like, then visit a dealer to drive them. plus it's not just cars but car accessories, various
motoring products, information, etc.,
Noddy wrote:
There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so
its not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers,
for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in
the next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
When did he say that?
awhile ago, at least once, maybe more, and this recently on 29/3/26..
"I've been looking at PHEV's on carsales since very soon I'm going to
have a big surplus of electricity, without going out and looking
physically the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross looks to be reasonably good
value, I can't bring myself to even look at anything Chinese so if we do
buy a PHEV it will most like be Japanese or Korean"
On 10/04/2026 12:37 pm, Axel wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Chinese vehicles have had rust problems ever since the first Great
Wall utes hit our market 17 years ago and there has been little
improvement.
There is a price to pay for all that cheapness.
On 11/04/2026 12:20 am, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so
its not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking
at EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable >>>>> are Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD
Sealion 5 PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good
numbers, for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in
the next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
When did he say that?
awhile ago, at least once, maybe more, and this recently on 29/3/26..
"I've been looking at PHEV's on carsales since very soon I'm going to
have a big surplus of electricity, without going out and looking
physically the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross looks to be reasonably good
value, I can't bring myself to even look at anything Chinese so if we do
buy a PHEV it will most like be Japanese or Korean"
Thanks. And where in anything he said did he mention that he was
interested in a Chinese car?
Many people, myself included, have said that Chinese cars look okay for
the money and offer a lot (in some cases) compared to the established
makes, but that doesn't mean we're willing to rush out and buy one
tomorrow.
Clocky wrote:
On 10/04/2026 12:37 pm, Axel wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Chinese vehicles have had rust problems ever since the first Great
Wall utes hit our market 17 years ago and there has been little
improvement.
better tell Daryl he's thinking of buying one. I hope I don't have a
problem with the MG. if they get a reputation for rust, the resale price will be severely impacted. but I don't plan to dispose of it anytime
soon. I like it.* currently it's holding it's value eg. https:// tinyurl.com/4ume892k which is "around market price". I only paid $24k
for it in September 2023
* the only thing I don't like is the harsh ride. but you get that with
all SUV's. my first preference to purchase however was the Mitsubishi
ASX. at the time the base model was on special at around $28k, which is
the one I wanted since it had 'normal' size road wheels and tyres, hence softer riding. but the deal ended and the price shot up to around
$31-32k which was (much) more than I wanted to pay. I was hoping to buy
in the $20-$25k rang.
There is a price to pay for all that cheapness.
the cheap prices are largely due to manufacturer discounting to acquire market share, is what I was told
On 11/4/2026 8:55 am, Noddy wrote:
On 11/04/2026 12:20 am, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so >>>>>> its not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking >>>>>> at EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are
affordable are Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and >>>>>> the BYD Sealion 5 PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay
with good numbers, for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in >>>>>> the next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
When did he say that?
awhile ago, at least once, maybe more, and this recently on 29/3/26..
"I've been looking at PHEV's on carsales since very soon I'm going to
have a big surplus of electricity, without going out and looking
physically the Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross looks to be reasonably good
value, I can't bring myself to even look at anything Chinese so if
we do
buy a PHEV it will most like be Japanese or Korean"
Thanks. And where in anything he said did he mention that he was
interested in a Chinese car?
Just above in his cited post. You must be incredibly thick.
He regards them as OK, good value, good on paper. That tells anyone
with half a brain that he is considering a Chinese car.
Many people, myself included, have said that Chinese cars look okay for
You say a lot of thing but, mostly, you talk outta your arse!
the money and offer a lot (in some cases) compared to the established
makes, but that doesn't mean we're willing to rush out and buy one
tomorrow.
On 10/04/2026 7:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
not a new problem.
Couple of local parcel courier operators use LDV vans. They both reckon
if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have them.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers, for
the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in the
next few weeks.
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese stuff
at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really fucking
annoying and can't be turned off.
On 10/04/2026 7:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
not a new problem.
Couple of local parcel courier operators use LDV vans. They both reckon
if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have them.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers, for
the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in the
next few weeks.
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese stuff
at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really fucking
annoying and can't be turned off.
On 10/04/2026 8:06 pm, Axel wrote:
Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers, for
the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in the
next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
When did he say that?
On 10/04/2026 8:07 pm, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
p.s. the motor show is on this weekend.
Why would anyone want to spend $47.50 for an entry ticket to see cars
you can see (and drive) for free at any dealership?
On 11/4/2026 12:00 am, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 7:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
its not a new problem.
Couple of local parcel courier operators use LDV vans. They both
reckon if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have them.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers,
for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in
the next few weeks.
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese
stuff at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really
fucking annoying and can't be turned off.
I've heard that too, I wouldn't buy any car without a good test drive especially one from a relatively new brand.
On 11-Apr-26 12:00 AM, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 7:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so its
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have *lots*
of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
not a new problem.
Couple of local parcel courier operators use LDV vans. They both
reckon if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have them.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking at
EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable are
Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD Sealion 5
PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good numbers, for
the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in the
next few weeks.
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese stuff
at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really fucking
annoying and can't be turned off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmmm, there is always a way!!!
On 11/4/2026 12:01 am, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 8:06 pm, Axel wrote:I did say that but circumstances change and I haven't bought anything
Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have
*lots* of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
its not a new problem.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking
at EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable
are Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD
Sealion 5 PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good
numbers, for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in
the next few weeks.
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
When did he say that?
yet.
Thinking about what to do with 40kWh's of battery power and charging
an EV makes sense, ideally we would buy something like a MB EQA or a Polestar 2 but even SH they aren't cheap, at the moment only EV's or
PHEV's that are affordable are Chinese.
The cheapest EV's are the Nissan Leaf but its range is pretty
ordinary, I have even thought about buying a cheap Leaf and just using
it for local running around.
Clocky wrote:
Chinese vehicles have had rust problems ever since the first Great
Wall utes hit our market 17 years ago and there has been little
improvement.
better tell Daryl he's thinking of buying one.
* the only thing I don't like is the harsh ride. but you get that with
all SUV's.
my first preference to purchase however was the Mitsubishi
ASX. at the time the base model was on special at around $28k, which is
the one I wanted since it had 'normal' size road wheels and tyres, hence softer riding. but the deal ended and the price shot up to around
$31-32k which was (much) more than I wanted to pay. I was hoping to buy
in the $20-$25k rang.
There is a price to pay for all that cheapness.
the cheap prices are largely due to manufacturer discounting to acquire market share, is what I was told
On 11/4/2026 12:03 am, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 8:07 pm, Axel wrote:Exactly.
Axel wrote:
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
p.s. the motor show is on this weekend.
Why would anyone want to spend $47.50 for an entry ticket to see cars
you can see (and drive) for free at any dealership?
Only advantage would be that they are all in the one place but if you go
to Essendon Fields most car dealerships are all very close to each other.
We were there on Wednesday, took the grand kids and had to drag them
away from all the Porsches etc at the Penske dealer.
Its fun having 11 and 14yr old car experts along when looking at cars:-)
Xeno wrote:
He regards them as OK, good value, good on paper. That tells anyone
with half a brain that he is considering a Chinese car.
noddy is trying to confuse the issue. I said Daryl said he *wouldn't* consider buying one, and gave one example of him saying that. viz. "I
can't bring myself to even look at anything Chinese so if we do buy a
PHEV it will most like be Japanese or Korean".
Daryl wrote:
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese
stuff at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really
fucking annoying and can't be turned off.
none of that on my MG ZS
On 11/04/2026 11:10 am, Axel wrote:
Daryl wrote:
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese
stuff at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really
fucking annoying and can't be turned off.
none of that on my MG ZS
No shit? That's what you get (or don't) when you buy a car from K-Mart.
On 11/04/2026 9:13 am, Axel wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Chinese vehicles have had rust problems ever since the first Great
Wall utes hit our market 17 years ago and there has been little
improvement.
better tell Daryl he's thinking of buying one.
You're a fucking idiot :)
Daryl wrote:
On 11/4/2026 12:00 am, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 7:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have
*lots* of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
its not a new problem.
Couple of local parcel courier operators use LDV vans. They both
reckon if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have them.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking
at EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable
are Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD
Sealion 5 PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good
numbers, for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in
the next few weeks.
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese
stuff at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really
fucking annoying and can't be turned off.
none of that on my MG ZS
Axel wrote:
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese
stuff at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really
fucking annoying and can't be turned off.
none of that on my MG ZS
p.s. I mean that in the sense of it's a good thing
On 11/04/2026 9:13 am, Axel wrote:
Clocky wrote:
Chinese vehicles have had rust problems ever since the first Great
Wall utes hit our market 17 years ago and there has been little
improvement.
better tell Daryl he's thinking of buying one.
You're a fucking idiot :)
* the only thing I don't like is the harsh ride. but you get that
with all SUV's.
No you don't. You get that with little cheap-arsed buzz boxes. Which
is what you bought.
my first preference to purchase however was the Mitsubishi ASX. at
the time the base model was on special at around $28k, which is the
one I wanted since it had 'normal' size road wheels and tyres, hence
softer riding. but the deal ended and the price shot up to around
$31-32k which was (much) more than I wanted to pay. I was hoping to
buy in the $20-$25k rang.
And you got what you paid for.
There is a price to pay for all that cheapness.
the cheap prices are largely due to manufacturer discounting to
acquire market share, is what I was told
You were told wrong.
The cheap prices are due to the cost of making cars in China compared
to anywhere else. Use your brains for once. *Everything* made in China
is cheap. Do you think that's because *every* company that sells goods
here is deliberately short selling to undercut the competition?
On 11/4/2026 10:44 am, jonz wrote:
On 11-Apr-26 12:00 AM, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 7:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have
*lots* of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
its not a new problem.
Couple of local parcel courier operators use LDV vans. They both
reckon if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have them.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking
at EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable
are Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD
Sealion 5 PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good
numbers, for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in
the next few weeks.
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese
stuff at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really
fucking annoying and can't be turned off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmmm, there is always a way!!!
They can usually be turned off but you have to do it every time you
start the car, even more annoying is if you have to go through several
menus on a touch screen to turn them off.
Its certainly something to consider when buying a new car.
Friends in Qld have a Kia Cerato, lane keep assist is pretty annoying
but there is a button to turn it off in easy reach so its no big deal,
he turns it off every time but she leaves it on.
On 11/04/2026 12:27 am, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 8:07 pm, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
p.s. the motor show is on this weekend.
Why would anyone want to spend $47.50 for an entry ticket to see
cars you can see (and drive) for free at any dealership?
because you can see them all in one place
and sit in different makes, decide what you like, then visit a dealer
to drive them. plus it's not just cars but car accessories, various
motoring products, information, etc.,
I have been to them before Felix and know what they're like. As I said
in my other reply to you, there is a reason why these shows died off,
and that is everything you can see at them you can see anywhere else
for free, with the added bonus of being able to drive the cars you're interested in.
Noddy wrote:
On 11/04/2026 12:27 am, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 8:07 pm, Axel wrote:
Axel wrote:
LOL. you've said you would never buy a Chinese car.
p.s. the motor show is on this weekend.
Why would anyone want to spend $47.50 for an entry ticket to see
cars you can see (and drive) for free at any dealership?
because you can see them all in one place
and sit in different makes, decide what you like, then visit a
dealer to drive them. plus it's not just cars but car accessories,
various motoring products, information, etc.,
I have been to them before Felix and know what they're like. As I
said in my other reply to you, there is a reason why these shows died
off, and that is everything you can see at them you can see anywhere
else for free, with the added bonus of being able to drive the cars
you're interested in.
if they weren't popular, and there was no demand for them, they
wouldn't happen
Noddy wrote:
* the only thing I don't like is the harsh ride. but you get that
with all SUV's.
No you don't. You get that with little cheap-arsed buzz boxes. Which
is what you bought.
you get it with ALL SUV's to a greater or lesser degree.
And you got what you paid for.
I did. and I'm happy with it. I'm so sorry you're envious..
the cheap prices are largely due to manufacturer discounting to
acquire market share, is what I was told
You were told wrong.
was I? I think MG dealers know more about what their company does than
you do
The cheap prices are due to the cost of making cars in China compared
to anywhere else. Use your brains for once. *Everything* made in China
is cheap. Do you think that's because *every* company that sells goods
here is deliberately short selling to undercut the competition?
use YOUR brains. (what there is of them). the two aren't mutually
exclusive. yes, Chinese manufacturing is cheap, but that by no means precludes price discounting
Noddy wrote:
I have been to them before Felix and know what they're like. As I said
in my other reply to you, there is a reason why these shows died off,
and that is everything you can see at them you can see anywhere else
for free, with the added bonus of being able to drive the cars you're
interested in.
if they weren't popular, and there was no demand for them, they wouldn't happen
Axel wrote:
and btw, they aren't just for consumers looking to purchase vehicles.
they also showcase new design concepts, and everything automotive
Daryl wrote:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmmm, there is always a way!!!
any method not provided for by the vehicles controls would no doubt be illegal and void any warranty, surely
Daryl wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 11/4/2026 10:44 am, jonz wrote:
On 11-Apr-26 12:00 AM, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 7:47 pm, Daryl wrote:
On 10/4/2026 4:31 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 10/04/2026 2:37 pm, Axel wrote:There was a story about LDV utes rusting a couple of years ago so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qasbB0i_ZY
Old news unfortunately. From what I've seen of LDV they have
*lots* of quality control issues.
Just as well they're cheap.
its not a new problem.
Couple of local parcel courier operators use LDV vans. They both
reckon if they weren't cheap they wouldn't have them.
Since we now have lots of stored electricity we have been looking
at EV's and PHEV's, unfortunately the only ones that are affordable >>>>> are Chinese so we had a look at the BYD Dolphin EV and the BYD
Sealion 5 PHEV, haven't driven either but they look okay with good
numbers, for the price they seem to be good value.
The Chery Tiggo 7 also looks good on paper.
Reviews on all of them are a bit mixed.
We aren't in any rush so we will be looking at all the options in
the next few weeks.
Have a decent test drive. The biggest complaint with the Chinese
stuff at the moment is the driver monitoring crap which is really
fucking annoying and can't be turned off.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmmm, there is always a way!!!
any method not provided for by the vehicles controls would no doubt be illegal and void any warranty, surely
They can usually be turned off but you have to do it every time you
start the car, even more annoying is if you have to go through several
menus on a touch screen to turn them off.
Its certainly something to consider when buying a new car.
Friends in Qld have a Kia Cerato, lane keep assist is pretty annoying
but there is a button to turn it off in easy reach so its no big deal,
he turns it off every time but she leaves it on.
On 13/04/2026 11:53 am, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
* the only thing I don't like is the harsh ride. but you get that
with all SUV's.
No you don't. You get that with little cheap-arsed buzz boxes. Which
is what you bought.
you get it with ALL SUV's to a greater or lesser degree.
No, you *don't* Felix, and that just shows what little experience you
have with such things. You do *not* get hard rides with all SUV's at
all, and the suggestion is an absolute nonsense. You get varying ranges
of ride quality depending on the makes and models, with the lower priced budget cars like yours having pretty average handling & ride quality
while the upper end models are completely different.
I would recommend you take a ride in a Kia Sorento GT Line for example,
or a Mazda CX-60 to see for yourself.
And you got what you paid for.
I did. and I'm happy with it. I'm so sorry you're envious..
Lol :)
I'm glad that you're happy with it Felix, but I'm not the slightest bit envious and you can take that to the bank :)
the cheap prices are largely due to manufacturer discounting to
acquire market share, is what I was told
You were told wrong.
was I? I think MG dealers know more about what their company does than
you do
ROTFL :)
Sales droids from *any* dealership will tell you whatever they want you
to hear :)
The cheap prices are due to the cost of making cars in China compared
to anywhere else. Use your brains for once. *Everything* made in
China is cheap. Do you think that's because *every* company that
sells goods here is deliberately short selling to undercut the
competition?
use YOUR brains. (what there is of them). the two aren't mutually
exclusive. yes, Chinese manufacturing is cheap, but that by no means
precludes price discounting
Never said it does Felix, but you're away with the fairies if you think *any* car manufacturer is going to cut the meat out of their poverty
pack models. Their more upmarkets stuff, perhaps. But their cheap shit?
No way.
Your MG ZS was cheap because it came with virtually nothing and used a
lot of old tech, like a low performance engine and a 4 speed auto.
On 13/4/2026 12:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 11:53 am, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
* the only thing I don't like is the harsh ride. but you get that
with all SUV's.
No you don't. You get that with little cheap-arsed buzz boxes.
Which is what you bought.
you get it with ALL SUV's to a greater or lesser degree.
No, you *don't* Felix, and that just shows what little experience you
have with such things. You do *not* get hard rides with all SUV's at
all, and the suggestion is an absolute nonsense. You get varying
ranges of ride quality depending on the makes and models, with the
lower priced budget cars like yours having pretty average handling &
ride quality while the upper end models are completely different.
I would recommend you take a ride in a Kia Sorento GT Line for
example, or a Mazda CX-60 to see for yourself.
And you got what you paid for.
I did. and I'm happy with it. I'm so sorry you're envious..
Lol :)
I'm glad that you're happy with it Felix, but I'm not the slightest
bit envious and you can take that to the bank :)
the cheap prices are largely due to manufacturer discounting to
acquire market share, is what I was told
You were told wrong.
was I? I think MG dealers know more about what their company does
than you do
ROTFL :)
Sales droids from *any* dealership will tell you whatever they want
you to hear :)
The cheap prices are due to the cost of making cars in China
compared to anywhere else. Use your brains for once. *Everything*
made in China is cheap. Do you think that's because *every* company
that sells goods here is deliberately short selling to undercut the
competition?
use YOUR brains. (what there is of them). the two aren't mutually
exclusive. yes, Chinese manufacturing is cheap, but that by no means
precludes price discounting
Never said it does Felix, but you're away with the fairies if you
think *any* car manufacturer is going to cut the meat out of their
poverty pack models. Their more upmarkets stuff, perhaps. But their
cheap shit? No way.
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share, they
have form!
A 4 speed auto sounds a whole lot better that a Jatco CVT that will
Your MG ZS was cheap because it came with virtually nothing and used
a lot of old tech, like a low performance engine and a 4 speed auto.
detonate in no time at all.
Xeno wrote:
On 13/4/2026 12:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 11:53 am, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
* the only thing I don't like is the harsh ride. but you get that >>>>>> with all SUV's.
No you don't. You get that with little cheap-arsed buzz boxes.
Which is what you bought.
you get it with ALL SUV's to a greater or lesser degree.
No, you *don't* Felix, and that just shows what little experience you
have with such things. You do *not* get hard rides with all SUV's at
all, and the suggestion is an absolute nonsense. You get varying
ranges of ride quality depending on the makes and models, with the
lower priced budget cars like yours having pretty average handling &
ride quality while the upper end models are completely different.
I would recommend you take a ride in a Kia Sorento GT Line for
example, or a Mazda CX-60 to see for yourself.
And you got what you paid for.
I did. and I'm happy with it. I'm so sorry you're envious..
Lol :)
I'm glad that you're happy with it Felix, but I'm not the slightest
bit envious and you can take that to the bank :)
the cheap prices are largely due to manufacturer discounting to
acquire market share, is what I was told
You were told wrong.
was I? I think MG dealers know more about what their company does
than you do
ROTFL :)
Sales droids from *any* dealership will tell you whatever they want
you to hear :)
The cheap prices are due to the cost of making cars in China
compared to anywhere else. Use your brains for once. *Everything*
made in China is cheap. Do you think that's because *every* company >>>>> that sells goods here is deliberately short selling to undercut the >>>>> competition?
use YOUR brains. (what there is of them). the two aren't mutually
exclusive. yes, Chinese manufacturing is cheap, but that by no means
precludes price discounting
Never said it does Felix, but you're away with the fairies if you
think *any* car manufacturer is going to cut the meat out of their
poverty pack models. Their more upmarkets stuff, perhaps. But their
cheap shit? No way.
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share, they
have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all who thinks he knows everything
A 4 speed auto sounds a whole lot better that a Jatco CVT that will
Your MG ZS was cheap because it came with virtually nothing and used
a lot of old tech, like a low performance engine and a 4 speed auto.
detonate in no time at all.
yeah, it works fine. plus I can use it in sports mode
Xeno wrote:
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share, they
have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601
A 4 speed auto sounds a whole lot better that a Jatco CVT that will
detonate in no time at all.
yeah, it works fine. plus I can use it in sports mode
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share,
they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all
who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads", and car salesdroids just love them because they're
like a sponge in that they soak up every bit of shit flung at them :)
A 4 speed auto sounds a whole lot better that a Jatco CVT that will
detonate in no time at all.
yeah, it works fine. plus I can use it in sports mode
Wow :)
On 13/4/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
On 13/4/2026 12:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 11:53 am, Axel wrote:
Noddy wrote:
* the only thing I don't like is the harsh ride. but you get
that with all SUV's.
No you don't. You get that with little cheap-arsed buzz boxes.
Which is what you bought.
you get it with ALL SUV's to a greater or lesser degree.
No, you *don't* Felix, and that just shows what little experience
you have with such things. You do *not* get hard rides with all
SUV's at all, and the suggestion is an absolute nonsense. You get
varying ranges of ride quality depending on the makes and models,
with the lower priced budget cars like yours having pretty average
handling & ride quality while the upper end models are completely
different.
I would recommend you take a ride in a Kia Sorento GT Line for
example, or a Mazda CX-60 to see for yourself.
And you got what you paid for.
I did. and I'm happy with it. I'm so sorry you're envious..
Lol :)
I'm glad that you're happy with it Felix, but I'm not the slightest
bit envious and you can take that to the bank :)
the cheap prices are largely due to manufacturer discounting to >>>>>>> acquire market share, is what I was told
You were told wrong.
was I? I think MG dealers know more about what their company does
than you do
ROTFL :)
Sales droids from *any* dealership will tell you whatever they want
you to hear :)
The cheap prices are due to the cost of making cars in China
compared to anywhere else. Use your brains for once. *Everything* >>>>>> made in China is cheap. Do you think that's because *every*
company that sells goods here is deliberately short selling to
undercut the competition?
use YOUR brains. (what there is of them). the two aren't mutually
exclusive. yes, Chinese manufacturing is cheap, but that by no
means precludes price discounting
Never said it does Felix, but you're away with the fairies if you
think *any* car manufacturer is going to cut the meat out of their
poverty pack models. Their more upmarkets stuff, perhaps. But their
cheap shit? No way.
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share,
they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all
who thinks he knows everything
A 4 speed auto sounds a whole lot better that a Jatco CVT that will
Your MG ZS was cheap because it came with virtually nothing and
used a lot of old tech, like a low performance engine and a 4 speed
auto.
detonate in no time at all.
yeah, it works fine. plus I can use it in sports mode
The best thing, it is an *Aisin 4 speed*, from the people who know how
to make *reliable cars* - Toyota. Obviously the choice for MG was easy!
The Aisin 4 speeds are known for being exceptionally durable with the
focus being on a balance between smooth shifting and reduced vibration compared to some CVTs. This Aisin trans is used in Proton, Daihatsu,
MG and of course Toyota smaller cars. They are brilliant in city
traffic and I know that well, a smooth, reliable experience. Regular
trans fluid changes and 300-400k kilometres isn't uncommon. Just don't believe the lifetime trans fluid bullshit, there isn't such an animal! BTW,the Aisin 4ATs offer lower fuel efficiency at high speeds compared
to modern 6-speed or CVT alternatives which is why the higher spec or
more recent cars have moved that way.
Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share,
they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all
who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601
and this link is here why exactly?
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads", and car salesdroids just love them because they're
like a sponge in that they soak up every bit of shit flung at them :)
prove what the dealer said is false or STFU
Xeno wrote:
The Aisin 4 speeds are known for being exceptionally durable with the
focus being on a balance between smooth shifting and reduced vibration
compared to some CVTs. This Aisin trans is used in Proton, Daihatsu,
MG and of course Toyota smaller cars. They are brilliant in city
traffic and I know that well, a smooth, reliable experience. Regular
trans fluid changes and 300-400k kilometres isn't uncommon. Just don't
believe the lifetime trans fluid bullshit, there isn't such an animal!
BTW,the Aisin 4ATs offer lower fuel efficiency at high speeds compared
to modern 6-speed or CVT alternatives which is why the higher spec or
more recent cars have moved that way.
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts, etc.,
it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me. I'm
guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
On 13/04/2026 11:35 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
The Aisin 4 speeds are known for being exceptionally durable with the
focus being on a balance between smooth shifting and reduced
vibration compared to some CVTs. This Aisin trans is used in Proton,
Daihatsu, MG and of course Toyota smaller cars. They are brilliant in
city traffic and I know that well, a smooth, reliable experience.
Regular trans fluid changes and 300-400k kilometres isn't uncommon.
Just don't believe the lifetime trans fluid bullshit, there isn't
such an animal! BTW,the Aisin 4ATs offer lower fuel efficiency at
high speeds compared to modern 6-speed or CVT alternatives which is
why the higher spec or more recent cars have moved that way.
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.
No it doesn't Felix. Your mental mate just fed you a load of AI derived bullshit :)
It has an antiquated gearbox. One that MG buys a licence for cheap,
because it's ancient tech that no one uses today.
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts, etc.,
it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me. I'm
guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
It's a small car Felix. Such things generally don't need a lot of road
to turn around.
On 13/04/2026 11:35 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
The Aisin 4 speeds are known for being exceptionally durable with the
focus being on a balance between smooth shifting and reduced
vibration compared to some CVTs. This Aisin trans is used in Proton,
Daihatsu, MG and of course Toyota smaller cars. They are brilliant in
city traffic and I know that well, a smooth, reliable experience.
Regular trans fluid changes and 300-400k kilometres isn't uncommon.
Just don't believe the lifetime trans fluid bullshit, there isn't
such an animal! BTW,the Aisin 4ATs offer lower fuel efficiency at
high speeds compared to modern 6-speed or CVT alternatives which is
why the higher spec or more recent cars have moved that way.
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.
No it doesn't Felix. Your mental mate just fed you a load of AI derived bullshit :)
It has an antiquated gearbox. One that MG buys a licence for cheap,
because it's ancient tech that no one uses today.
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts, etc.,
it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me. I'm
guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
It's a small car Felix. Such things generally don't need a lot of road
to turn around.
On 13/04/2026 11:35 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
The Aisin 4 speeds are known for being exceptionally durable with
the focus being on a balance between smooth shifting and reduced
vibration compared to some CVTs. This Aisin trans is used in Proton,
Daihatsu, MG and of course Toyota smaller cars. They are brilliant
in city traffic and I know that well, a smooth, reliable experience.
Regular trans fluid changes and 300-400k kilometres isn't uncommon.
Just don't believe the lifetime trans fluid bullshit, there isn't
such an animal! BTW,the Aisin 4ATs offer lower fuel efficiency at
high speeds compared to modern 6-speed or CVT alternatives which is
why the higher spec or more recent cars have moved that way.
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.
No it doesn't Felix. Your mental mate just fed you a load of AI
derived bullshit :)
It has an antiquated gearbox. One that MG buys a licence for cheap,
because it's ancient tech that no one uses today.
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts,
etc., it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me.
I'm guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
It's a small car Felix. Such things generally don't need a lot of road
to turn around.
On 14/4/2026 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.
No it doesn't Felix. Your mental mate just fed you a load of AI
derived bullshit :)
Yep, is "lower fuel efficiency" a good thing?
Our Golf has a 7spd DSG and while those aren't perfect its fuel
efficiency is second to none, not unusual to see 4.1lts/100km at 110kph
and an average in the mid 5's in general use.
If he thinks his MG handles well he would be blown away by the Golf, its like a big go kart.also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts,
etc., it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me.
I'm guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
It's a small car Felix. Such things generally don't need a lot of road
to turn around.
Noddy wrote:
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts,
etc., it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me.
I'm guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
It's a small car Felix. Such things generally don't need a lot of road
to turn around.
cornering not turning .ie. how fast it can negotiate bends, roundabouts, etc.,
On 14/4/2026 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 11:35 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
The Aisin 4 speeds are known for being exceptionally durable with the >>>> focus being on a balance between smooth shifting and reduced
vibration compared to some CVTs. This Aisin trans is used in Proton,
Daihatsu, MG and of course Toyota smaller cars. They are brilliant in >>>> city traffic and I know that well, a smooth, reliable experience.
Regular trans fluid changes and 300-400k kilometres isn't uncommon.
Just don't believe the lifetime trans fluid bullshit, there isn't
such an animal! BTW,the Aisin 4ATs offer lower fuel efficiency at
high speeds compared to modern 6-speed or CVT alternatives which is
why the higher spec or more recent cars have moved that way.
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.
No it doesn't Felix. Your mental mate just fed you a load of AI derived
bullshit :)
Yep, is "lower fuel efficiency" a good thing?
Our Golf has a 7spd DSG and while those aren't perfect its fuel
efficiency is second to none, not unusual to see 4.1lts/100km at 110kph
and an average in the mid 5's in general use.
If he thinks his MG handles well he would be blown away by the Golf, its like a big go kart.
It has an antiquated gearbox. One that MG buys a licence for cheap,
because it's ancient tech that no one uses today.
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts, etc.,
it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me. I'm
guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
It's a small car Felix. Such things generally don't need a lot of road
to turn around.
On 14/4/2026 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 11:35 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
The Aisin 4 speeds are known for being exceptionally durable with
the focus being on a balance between smooth shifting and reduced
vibration compared to some CVTs. This Aisin trans is used in
Proton, Daihatsu, MG and of course Toyota smaller cars. They are
brilliant in city traffic and I know that well, a smooth, reliable
experience. Regular trans fluid changes and 300-400k kilometres
isn't uncommon. Just don't believe the lifetime trans fluid
bullshit, there isn't such an animal! BTW,the Aisin 4ATs offer
lower fuel efficiency at high speeds compared to modern 6-speed or
CVT alternatives which is why the higher spec or more recent cars
have moved that way.
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.
No it doesn't Felix. Your mental mate just fed you a load of AI
derived bullshit :)
It has an antiquated gearbox. One that MG buys a licence for cheap,
because it's ancient tech that no one uses today.
The reason it is still used is purely because it is reliable and
smooth in operation.
Might add, the tech in the Aisin 4AT is *still* being used in later 6
and 8 speed Aisins. If you put an Aisin 4AT against anything from
Jatco, I know which would still be running years later with nary an
issue.
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts,
etc., it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me.
I'm guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
It's a small car Felix. Such things generally don't need a lot of
road to turn around.
Xeno wrote:
The reason it is still used is purely because it is reliable and
smooth in operation.
actually I had noticed that gear changes are smooth. better than the
Lancer I had, but I think that had CVT? it idles smoothly too.
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share,
they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all
who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are known
as "heads",
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that)LOL :)
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
LOL :)
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that)
Could you be any more insecure, Mr Trump? :)
Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:You are the insecurity benchmark here
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:LOL :)
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that)
Could you be any more insecure, Mr Trump? :)
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
LOL :)
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that)
Could you be any more insecure, Mr Trump? :)
Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:You are the insecurity benchmark here Darren and no one could be more insecure than you. So insecure you had to *invent* a complete automotive carrier in order to compensate for your massive failures in life.
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:LOL :)
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that)
Could you be any more insecure, Mr Trump? :)
On 20/04/2026 9:00 am, Xeno wrote:
Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:You are the insecurity benchmark here Darren and no one could be more
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:LOL :)
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that)
Could you be any more insecure, Mr Trump? :)
insecure than you. So insecure you had to *invent* a complete automotive
carrier in order to compensate for your massive failures in life.
Even invented a complete automotive career :-)
The reality is that he retired from doing nothing to fiddling around his little hobby shop where the wife lets ol' penis fingers play with his
toys to keep him out of the house.
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts, etc.,
it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me. I'm
guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share,
they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all
who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are known
as "heads", and car salesdroids just love them because they're like a
sponge in that they soak up every bit of shit flung at them :)
A 4 speed auto sounds a whole lot better that a Jatco CVT that will
detonate in no time at all.
yeah, it works fine. plus I can use it in sports mode
Wow :)
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share,
they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all
who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that) including ones who come bragging in here that they really got a great deal - after revealing
they paid full whack RRP - like you did you dumbarse.
On 13/04/2026 11:35 pm, Axel wrote:
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.It must be different to the one that I unfortunately got as a hire car.
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts, etc.,
it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me. I'm
guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
Not enough power and flexibility to handle a 4 speed, and the handling
was on a par with 1950s cars.
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
On 30/04/2026 10:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
"Wood Ducks" is a common garden variety term for an idiot, whereas
"Head" has been specifically used by car sales droids for decades to describe a customer. Particularly a gullible one.
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share,
they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all
who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that) including ones who come
bragging in here that they really got a great deal - after revealing
they paid full whack RRP - like you did you dumbarse.
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
On 13/04/2026 11:35 pm, Axel wrote:
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.It must be different to the one that I unfortunately got as a hire
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts,
etc., it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me.
I'm guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
car. Not enough power and flexibility to handle a 4 speed, and the
handling was on a par with 1950s cars.
On 30/04/2026 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share, >>>>>> they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some
know-it-all who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601 >>>>
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that) including ones who
come bragging in here that they really got a great deal - after
revealing they paid full whack RRP - like you did you dumbarse.
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
That's a general term for any dumbarse and Noddy certainly qualifies.
I taught Noddy that "head" is an industry term (he'll deny it of
course). It's used to refer to *anyone* who walks onto the lot. It's
not a derogatory term in any way. For instance, the meet and greets
keep a list of "heads" that they have spoken to.
Noddy was a head when he walked onto the lot and and a wood duck when
he drove off after paying full whack retail while they made him
believe he screwed the dealer over on price.
People like Noddy are like a lamb to the slaughter for any experienced
sales droid, seen it many times. He just doesn't know it :-)
Clocky wrote:
On 30/04/2026 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share, >>>>>>> they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some
know-it-all who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601 >>>>>
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that) including ones who
come bragging in here that they really got a great deal - after
revealing they paid full whack RRP - like you did you dumbarse.
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
That's a general term for any dumbarse and Noddy certainly qualifies.
I taught Noddy that "head" is an industry term (he'll deny it of
course). It's used to refer to *anyone* who walks onto the lot. It's
not a derogatory term in any way. For instance, the meet and greets
keep a list of "heads" that they have spoken to.
Noddy was a head when he walked onto the lot and and a wood duck when
he drove off after paying full whack retail while they made him
believe he screwed the dealer over on price.
do you have a link for the post?
People like Noddy are like a lamb to the slaughter for any experienced
sales droid, seen it many times. He just doesn't know it :-)
On 30/04/2026 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 13/04/2026 11:35 pm, Axel wrote:
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.It must be different to the one that I unfortunately got as a hire
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts,
etc., it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me.
I'm guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
car. Not enough power and flexibility to handle a 4 speed, and the
handling was on a par with 1950s cars.
I've fortunately not driven one and am highly unlikely to ever *want*
to, but your account of their performance echoes the few reviews I've bothered to read about the things.
It also confirms the belief that
Felix wouldn't know a decent performing car if you ran him over in one.
On 30/04/2026 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share, >>>>>> they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-all >>>>> who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601 >>>>
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that) including ones who come
bragging in here that they really got a great deal - after revealing
they paid full whack RRP - like you did you dumbarse.
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
That's a general term for any dumbarse and Noddy certainly qualifies. I taught Noddy that "head" is an industry term (he'll deny it of course).
It's used to refer to *anyone* who walks onto the lot. It's not a
derogatory term in any way. For instance, the meet and greets keep a
list of "heads" that they have spoken to.
Noddy was a head when he walked onto the lot and and a wood duck when he drove off after paying full whack retail while they made him believe he screwed the dealer over on price.
People like Noddy are like a lamb to the slaughter for any experienced
sales droid, seen it many times. He just doesn't know it :-)
Clocky wrote:
On 30/04/2026 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are
China will discount anything and everything to gain market share, >>>>>>> they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it-
all who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-premium_p0346601 >>>>>
known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that) including ones who
come bragging in here that they really got a great deal - after
revealing they paid full whack RRP - like you did you dumbarse.
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
That's a general term for any dumbarse and Noddy certainly qualifies.
I taught Noddy that "head" is an industry term (he'll deny it of
course). It's used to refer to *anyone* who walks onto the lot. It's
not a derogatory term in any way. For instance, the meet and greets
keep a list of "heads" that they have spoken to.
Noddy was a head when he walked onto the lot and and a wood duck when
he drove off after paying full whack retail while they made him
believe he screwed the dealer over on price.
do you have a link for the post?
People like Noddy are like a lamb to the slaughter for any experienced
sales droid, seen it many times. He just doesn't know it :-)
On 1/05/2026 12:57 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 30/04/2026 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
That's a general term for any dumbarse and Noddy certainly qualifies.
I taught Noddy that "head" is an industry term (he'll deny it of
course). It's used to refer to *anyone* who walks onto the lot. It's
not a derogatory term in any way. For instance, the meet and greets
keep a list of "heads" that they have spoken to.
I first heard the term from a member of the finance side of the motor
trade as referring to those who accept the first offer without argument.
On 30/04/2026 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
That's a general term for any dumbarse and Noddy certainly qualifies. I taught Noddy that "head" is an industry term (he'll deny it of course).
keithr0 wrote:
On 13/04/2026 11:35 pm, Axel wrote:
so it has a good gearbox. good to know.It must be different to the one that I unfortunately got as a hire
also.. the ZS corners exceptionally well, and small roundabouts,
etc., it does so better than the Lancer I had, which surprised me.
I'm guessing that's due to the short wheelbase?
car. Not enough power and flexibility to handle a 4 speed, and the
handling was on a par with 1950s cars.
then it was different
On 30/04/2026 10:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 30/04/2026 10:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
"Wood Ducks" is a common garden variety term for an idiot, whereas
"Head" has been specifically used by car sales droids for decades to
describe a customer. Particularly a gullible one.
Yes, as you learnt from me.
On 1/05/2026 11:38 am, Axel wrote:
Clocky wrote:
On 30/04/2026 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
China will discount anything and everything to gain market
share, they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it- >>>>>>> all who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-
premium_p0346601
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you are >>>>>> known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that) including ones who
come bragging in here that they really got a great deal - after
revealing they paid full whack RRP - like you did you dumbarse.
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
That's a general term for any dumbarse and Noddy certainly qualifies.
I taught Noddy that "head" is an industry term (he'll deny it of
course). It's used to refer to *anyone* who walks onto the lot. It's
not a derogatory term in any way. For instance, the meet and greets
keep a list of "heads" that they have spoken to.
Noddy was a head when he walked onto the lot and and a wood duck when
he drove off after paying full whack retail while they made him
believe he screwed the dealer over on price.
do you have a link for the post?
Neh, but could probably find it.
On 1/05/2026 1:38 pm, Axel wrote:
Noddy was a head when he walked onto the lot and and a wood duck when
he drove off after paying full whack retail while they made him
believe he screwed the dealer over on price.
do you have a link for the post?
For your noddy folder?
On 1/05/2026 6:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
I first heard the term from a member of the finance side of the motor
trade as referring to those who accept the first offer without argument.
LOL.. memories... when I bought the Ranger in 2021, the Ford dealer
offered me finance, which I just brushed aside. I just assumed the banks would slaughter dealer finance...
So, i went to the NAB for finance. I'd been with NAB since day one,
bought a few vehicles, finance for factory, set up my super, etc... They handed me a half inch thick pile of paperwork to fill out and from
memory, offered the loan at 3.9%, and would take 30+ days to sort it. I laughed, walked across the road to ANZ. And they did the same, but at
3.5%. WTF?
Went back to the dealer (Jefferson Ford) and looked into their
Finance... Peter Poontamg had previously offered me finance at 2.1%
whilst I was negotiating the price... So I thought I'd try it on.. "you
told me 1.9% a few weeks ago"... so he said he'd try 1.9%...
I left the dealers yard, and I got a phone call as I pulled in the
driveway at home. Hello, it's Peter Poontang from Jefferson Ford, your finance has been approved through Powertorque Finance* at 1.9%
*Powertorque is/was? Toyota finance, I believe. Dont care. I think, it
cost me $1800 to borrow $60k over 4 years. Or similar. Was some time
ago. But i never returned to the big 4 banks for help/assistance after
that. Still need to extract a title from one of them...
On 1/05/2026 4:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 1/05/2026 11:38 am, Axel wrote:
Clocky wrote:
On 30/04/2026 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
On 19/04/2026 11:43 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
On 13/04/2026 6:11 pm, Axel wrote:
Xeno wrote:
China will discount anything and everything to gain market
share, they have form!
yes. I'll believe what the dealer said rather than some know-it- >>>>>>>> all who thinks he knows everything
https://www.bunnings.com.au/bambury-electric-blanket-
premium_p0346601
Of course you would. In the new/used car game, people like you
are known as "heads",
They are all called heads (I taught you that) including ones who
come bragging in here that they really got a great deal - after
revealing they paid full whack RRP - like you did you dumbarse.
The term that I've heard is "Wood ducks".
That's a general term for any dumbarse and Noddy certainly
qualifies. I taught Noddy that "head" is an industry term (he'll
deny it of course). It's used to refer to *anyone* who walks onto
the lot. It's not a derogatory term in any way. For instance, the
meet and greets keep a list of "heads" that they have spoken to.
Noddy was a head when he walked onto the lot and and a wood duck
when he drove off after paying full whack retail while they made him
believe he screwed the dealer over on price.
do you have a link for the post?
Neh, but could probably find it.
Please. Do. Put it up and if it bears out your version of events then
I'll immediately apologise and retract in full.
On 1/05/2026 6:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 1/05/2026 12:57 pm, Clocky wrote:
On 30/04/2026 8:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
That's a general term for any dumbarse and Noddy certainly qualifies.
I taught Noddy that "head" is an industry term (he'll deny it of
course). It's used to refer to *anyone* who walks onto the lot. It's
not a derogatory term in any way. For instance, the meet and greets
keep a list of "heads" that they have spoken to.
I first heard the term from a member of the finance side of the motor
trade as referring to those who accept the first offer without argument.
LOL.. memories... when I bought the Ranger in 2021, the Ford dealer
offered me finance, which I just brushed aside. I just assumed the banks would slaughter dealer finance...
So, i went to the NAB for finance. I'd been with NAB since day one,
bought a few vehicles, finance for factory, set up my super, etc... They handed me a half inch thick pile of paperwork to fill out and from
memory, offered the loan at 3.9%, and would take 30+ days to sort it. I laughed, walked across the road to ANZ. And they did the same, but at
3.5%. WTF?
Went back to the dealer (Jefferson Ford) and looked into their
Finance... Peter Poontamg had previously offered me finance at 2.1%
whilst I was negotiating the price... So I thought I'd try it on.. "you
told me 1.9% a few weeks ago"... so he said he'd try 1.9%...
I left the dealers yard, and I got a phone call as I pulled in the
driveway at home. Hello, it's Peter Poontang from Jefferson Ford, your finance has been approved through Powertorque Finance* at 1.9%
*Powertorque is/was? Toyota finance, I believe. Dont care. I think, it
cost me $1800 to borrow $60k over 4 years. Or similar. Was some time
ago. But i never returned to the big 4 banks for help/assistance after
that. Still need to extract a title from one of them...
On 01-May-26 7:38 PM, lindsay wrote:
I left the dealers yard, and I got a phone call as I pulled in the~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
driveway at home. Hello, it's Peter Poontang from Jefferson Ford, your
finance has been approved through Powertorque Finance* at 1.9%
*Powertorque is/was? Toyota finance, I believe. Dont care. I think, it
cost me $1800 to borrow $60k over 4 years. Or similar. Was some time
ago. But i never returned to the big 4 banks for help/assistance after
that. Still need to extract a title from one of them...
Peter Poontang eh?, Wonder what that family did as a sideline??. ;)
*Powertorque is/was? Toyota finance, I believe. Dont care. I think, it
cost me $1800 to borrow $60k over 4 years. Or similar. Was some time
ago. But i never returned to the big 4 banks for help/assistance after
that. Still need to extract a title from one of them...
Nice. Some dealer finance deals are stupid cheap, and at prices where it makes no sense to use your own money. Best I ever saw was .75%, which I think was through Nissan.
On 1/05/2026 8:36 pm, Noddy wrote:
*Powertorque is/was? Toyota finance, I believe. Dont care. I think,
it cost me $1800 to borrow $60k over 4 years. Or similar. Was some
time ago. But i never returned to the big 4 banks for help/assistance
after that. Still need to extract a title from one of them...
Nice. Some dealer finance deals are stupid cheap, and at prices where
it makes no sense to use your own money. Best I ever saw was .75%,
which I think was through Nissan.
I couldnt believe it. 1.9% !! Granted, it was november 2020 (picked
ranga up Feb 21), no-one was spending because we were all locked up,
except me , coz I was able to work through the pandemic (essential
service), So I guess the dealers would do anything for a sale.
And .75% Fark!! thats getting awefully close to 0% :-) If that comes
around again, i'll be looking at a new Ranga!>
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