That is where the 175s, 180s, 43s, 153s and 465s are stored.
Where will they be moved? I assume the 175s are destined for GWR, after refurbishment, but I?m not sure if anyone wants the 180s.
So will some go straight for scrap?
On 22 Jan 2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
That is where the 175s, 180s, 43s, 153s and 465s are stored.
Where will they be moved? I assume the 175s are destined for GWR, after
refurbishment, but I?m not sure if anyone wants the 180s.
So will some go straight for scrap?
I don't see any reliable source for the suggestion. Why would the
owners reduce their income?
Rupert Moss-Eccardt <news@moss-eccardt.com> wrote:
On 22 Jan 2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
That is where the 175s, 180s, 43s, 153s and 465s are stored.
Where will they be moved? I assume the 175s are destined for GWR, after >>> refurbishment, but I?m not sure if anyone wants the 180s.
So will some go straight for scrap?
I don't see any reliable source for the suggestion. Why would the
owners reduce their income?
Perhaps a new, more profitable, use for the land?
That is where the 175s, 180s, 43s, 153s and 465s are stored.
Where will they be moved? I assume the 175s are destined for GWR, after refurbishment, but I?m not sure if anyone wants the 180s.
So will some go straight for scrap?
So will some go straight for scrap?
Two scrapyards have shut down in the last month, Newport and Rotherham. Newport is strange, as I thought making money from scrap metal was quite easy, but
On 22 Jan 2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
That is where the 175s, 180s, 43s, 153s and 465s are stored.
Where will they be moved? I assume the 175s are destined for GWR, after
refurbishment, but I?m not sure if anyone wants the 180s.
So will some go straight for scrap?
I don't see any reliable source for the suggestion. Why would the
owners reduce their income
?
Perhaps a new, more profitable, use for the land?
Unlikely. There hasn't been a planning application that I am aware of.
On 22/01/2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
That is where the 175s, 180s, 43s, 153s and 465s are stored.
Unlikely to be closed. The original message came from a (reputedly) 16
year old on, iirc, Railgen. The same person was pointed out to give lots
of other duff information in the past, so a very large pinch of salt is required to believe that story.
Where will they be moved? I assume the 175s are destined for GWR, after
refurbishment, but I?m not sure if anyone wants the 180s.
Storage - there is more room all over the network if the trains are
likely to be used in the future.Donnington, Eastriggs, Manton, Long
Marston, Kineton, Shoeburyness are amongst the many sites who offer
secure storage, along with some 'old' BR depots who have lots of sidings spare - Toton , Eastleigh etc. St. Rollox has reopened, with a lot of
space too.
So will some go straight for scrap?
Two scrapyards have shut down in the last month, Newport and Rotherham. Newport is strange, as I thought making money from scrap metal was quite easy, but they have gone into administration due to debts owed.
Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
So will some go straight for scrap?
Two scrapyards have shut down in the last month, Newport and Rotherham. Newport is strange, as I thought making money from scrap metal was quite easy, but they have gone into administration due to debts owed.
Isn?t it the parent company that?s in trouble? The scrapyard itself may be
a profitable business.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
So will some go straight for scrap?
Two scrapyards have shut down in the last month, Newport and Rotherham. Newport is strange, as I thought making money from scrap metal was quite easy, but they have gone into administration due to debts owed.
Isn?t it the parent company that?s in trouble? The scrapyard itself may be a profitable business.
Yes, Sims Metals was bought by Unimetals but they overstretched and went
into administration. The administrators were unable to sell the business, which suggests that nobody was interested in taking it on (and I suspect
they could have unpicked the Sims takeover to sell that bit on favourable terms if they were).
I suppose the question is whether any of the remaining players (EMR?) are interested in railway scrapping. I have no idea how profitable or onerous that business may be and whether anyone would want to enter it.
I suspect potential buyers of sites may be eyeing them for housing ('brownfield site, no longer viable...') which may out-compete scrapyard usage. After all, the previous occupant went bankrupt, don't you know.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
So will some go straight for scrap?
Two scrapyards have shut down in the last month, Newport and Rotherham. >>> Newport is strange, as I thought making money from scrap metal was quite >>> easy, but they have gone into administration due to debts owed.
Isn?t it the parent company that?s in trouble? The scrapyard itself may be >> a profitable business.
Yes, Sims Metals was bought by Unimetals but they overstretched and went
into administration. The administrators were unable to sell the business, which suggests that nobody was interested in taking it on (and I suspect
they could have unpicked the Sims takeover to sell that bit on favourable terms if they were).
I suppose the question is whether any of the remaining players (EMR?) are interested in railway scrapping. I have no idea how profitable or onerous that business may be and whether anyone would want to enter it.
I suspect potential buyers of sites may be eyeing them for housing ('brownfield site, no longer viable...') which may out-compete scrapyard usage. After all, the previous occupant went bankrupt, don't you know.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
So will some go straight for scrap?
Two scrapyards have shut down in the last month, Newport and Rotherham. >>> Newport is strange, as I thought making money from scrap metal was quite >>> easy, but they have gone into administration due to debts owed.
Isn?t it the parent company that?s in trouble? The scrapyard itself may be
a profitable business.
Yes, Sims Metals was bought by Unimetals but they overstretched and went into administration. The administrators were unable to sell the business, which suggests that nobody was interested in taking it on (and I suspect they could have unpicked the Sims takeover to sell that bit on favourable terms if they were).
I suppose the question is whether any of the remaining players (EMR?) are interested in railway scrapping. I have no idea how profitable or onerous that business may be and whether anyone would want to enter it.
I suspect potential buyers of sites may be eyeing them for housing ('brownfield site, no longer viable...') which may out-compete scrapyard usage. After all, the previous occupant went bankrupt, don't you know.
I wonder if any of the trains now destined for scrap contain any asbestos? For example, do HSTs include any?
I would hope that by the 1980s, its use had ceased.
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent,
with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have enough electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and deal with them?
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent,
with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have enough electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and deal with them?
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent,
with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have enough >> electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot >> of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and deal >> with them?
Mexico and Nigeria already have!
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> posted:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
So will some go straight for scrap?
Two scrapyards have shut down in the last month, Newport and Rotherham. >> > > Newport is strange, as I thought making money from scrap metal was quite
easy, but they have gone into administration due to debts owed.
Isn?t it the parent company that?s in trouble? The scrapyard itself may be
a profitable business.
Yes, Sims Metals was bought by Unimetals but they overstretched and went
into administration. The administrators were unable to sell the business, >> which suggests that nobody was interested in taking it on (and I suspect
they could have unpicked the Sims takeover to sell that bit on favourable
terms if they were).
I suppose the question is whether any of the remaining players (EMR?) are
interested in railway scrapping. I have no idea how profitable or onerous >> that business may be and whether anyone would want to enter it.
I suspect potential buyers of sites may be eyeing them for housing
('brownfield site, no longer viable...') which may out-compete scrapyard
usage. After all, the previous occupant went bankrupt, don't you know.
Maybe related to >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contaminated_land#United_Kingdom ?
On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 14:14:35 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent, >> with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have enough >> electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot >> of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and deal
with them?
Mexico and Nigeria already have!
They've bought a few for re-use. But there are many others only fit for scrapping.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 14:14:35 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent, >> >> with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have enough
electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and deal
with them?
Mexico and Nigeria already have!
They've bought a few for re-use. But there are many others only fit for scrapping.
Is it usual to send trainsets for scrap by sea?
Sending them by rail to India could be complicated...
On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 14:14:35 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent, >>> with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have enough >>> electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot >>> of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and deal >>> with them?
Mexico and Nigeria already have!
They've bought a few for re-use. But there are many others only fit for scrapping.
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
So will some go straight for scrap?
Two scrapyards have shut down in the last month, Newport and Rotherham. >>>> Newport is strange, as I thought making money from scrap metal was quite >>>> easy, but they have gone into administration due to debts owed.
Isn?t it the parent company that?s in trouble? The scrapyard itself may be >>> a profitable business.
Yes, Sims Metals was bought by Unimetals but they overstretched and went
into administration. The administrators were unable to sell the business, >> which suggests that nobody was interested in taking it on (and I suspect
they could have unpicked the Sims takeover to sell that bit on favourable
terms if they were).
I suppose the question is whether any of the remaining players (EMR?) are
interested in railway scrapping. I have no idea how profitable or onerous >> that business may be and whether anyone would want to enter it.
I suspect potential buyers of sites may be eyeing them for housing
('brownfield site, no longer viable...') which may out-compete scrapyard
usage. After all, the previous occupant went bankrupt, don't you know.
I wonder if any of the trains now destined for scrap contain any asbestos? For example, do HSTs include any?
I would hope that by the 1980s, its use had ceased.
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent,
with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have enough electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and deal with them?
I wonder if any of the trains now destined for scrap contain any asbestos? For example, do HSTs include any?
.... Also, the UK doesn?t have enough> electric arc furnaces torecycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home.
On 23/01/2026 13:51, Recliner wrote:
I wonder if any of the trains now destined for scrap contain any asbestos? >> For example, do HSTs include any?
No,all asbestos has been removed, if there was any there in the first
place. They have had numerous rebuilds/refurbs, that work wouldnt happen >without asbestos removal first.
.... Also, the UK doesn?t have enough> electric arc furnaces torecycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home.
Celsa in Cardiff uses 95%+ scrap/recycled steel for its production of >iron/steel bars.
On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 14:31:08 GMT, Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 14:14:35 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent, >>>>> with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have enough
electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and deal
with them?
Mexico and Nigeria already have!
They've bought a few for re-use. But there are many others only fit for scrapping.
Is it usual to send trainsets for scrap by sea?
Sending them by rail to India could be complicated...
They'd be sent by sea. The question is whether they're sent intact, or partly demolished here, with some components sent
abroad to recycle the metals.
old trains may contain other substances like oil and asbestos.
Can't remember where I saw it, but I read somewhere that the trains sent
to Derby would be moved by road to a scrapyard in the East Midlands.
On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 15:21:10 +0000, Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 23/01/2026 13:51, Recliner wrote:
I wonder if any of the trains now destined for scrap contain any asbestos? >>> For example, do HSTs include any?
No,all asbestos has been removed, if there was any there in the first
place. They have had numerous rebuilds/refurbs, that work wouldnt happen
without asbestos removal first.
.... Also, the UK doesn?t have enough> electric arc furnaces torecycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home.
Celsa in Cardiff uses 95%+ scrap/recycled steel for its production of
iron/steel bars.
But we need more electric arc furnaces. We export 80% of our scrapped steel, rather than recycling it at home.
From:
https://www.uksteel.org/steel-scrap
The UK produces approximately 10-11Mt of scrap steel each year. 80% of this is exported mostly to developing countries
for sorting and recycling back into new steel products that may then be shipped back, with additional carbon footprint
to the UK. The main recipient of UK scrap is Turkey, followed by Egypt, India, Bangladesh and Pakistan.
Whilst all countries export and import scrap steel, the UK is unusual in using so little of its own material
domestically and consequently exporting such large quantities. The UK is the world?s second largest exporter of scrap in
absolute terms and the largest exporter of scrap on a per capita basis. The UK risks stripping itself of a vital
resource at a time of rising domestic demand with the recently announced planned investments in new EAF production. A
policy environment supportive of securing supplies needs to be put in place aligned with the timeline of the sector?s
decarbonisation and considering the implications of global trends.
...
Scrap consumption from the steel sector could nearly treble by 2050, increasing up to 7Mt per annum. This would be the
result of greater uptake of Electric Arc Furnace (EAF) production alone, without assuming any increases in actual steel
production. Even at the more conservative end of the range, we see scrap consumption rising to 4.2Mt in next three
decades. In the short term, the announced new EAF capacity at Port Talbot alone, will likely consume up to 2Mt more
scrap than the site?s consumption today. That?s a nearly 70% increase in UK scrap consumption from around 2027, when the
new EAF is expected to be operational. Proposed plans from British Steel would increase consumption further as early as
2025.
Rising global demand for steel coupled with steel makers transitioning to lower carbon production methods will drive up
demand for scrap in the coming decades. The global scrap market is currently estimated at around 600-650Mt and demand is
expected to rise to 800Mt by 2030 and around a billion tonnes by 2050.
On 23/01/2026 13:51, Recliner wrote:
Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2026 12:35, Recliner wrote:
So will some go straight for scrap?
Two scrapyards have shut down in the last month, Newport and
Rotherham.
Newport is strange, as I thought making money from scrap metal was
quite
easy, but they have gone into administration due to debts owed.
Isn?t it the parent company that?s in trouble?ÿ The scrapyard itself
may be
a profitable business.
Yes, Sims Metals was bought by Unimetals but they overstretched and went >>> into administration.ÿ The administrators were unable to sell the
business,
which suggests that nobody was interested in taking it on (and I suspect >>> they could have unpicked the Sims takeover to sell that bit on
favourable
terms if they were).
I suppose the question is whether any of the remaining players (EMR?)
are
interested in railway scrapping.ÿ I have no idea how profitable or
onerous
that business may be and whether anyone would want to enter it.
I suspect potential buyers of sites may be eyeing them for housing
('brownfield site, no longer viable...') which may out-compete scrapyard >>> usage.ÿ After all, the previous occupant went bankrupt, don't you know.
I wonder if any of the trains now destined for scrap contain any
asbestos?
For example, do HSTs include any?
They should all have been cleared during refurbishments over the years.
I would hope that by the 1980s, its use had ceased.
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent,
with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have
enough
electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a
lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and
deal
with them?
Shiploads of scrap-metal used to be shipped out of Driver's Wharf in Southampton, but that was on coastal shipping so I don't know where it
was taken.
On 23/01/2026 15:07, Graeme Wall wrote:
Shiploads of scrap-metal used to be shipped out of Driver's Wharf in
Southampton, but that was on coastal shipping so I don't know where it
was taken.
I once took a (coastal) shipload of scrap from the Netherlands to
northern Spain.
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> posted:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2026 14:14:35 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose one problem with the scrap business is that it?s intermittent, >> >> with high peaks followed by long troughs. Also, the UK doesn?t have enough
electric arc furnaces to recycle the scrap steel. Instead, we export a lot
of it. With trains, that might work out cheaper than scrapping and
recycling at home. Maybe India or Turkey could take the old trains and deal
with them?
Mexico and Nigeria already have!
They've bought a few for re-use. But there are many others only fit for scrapping.
Is it usual to send trainsets for scrap by sea?
Sending them by rail to India could be complicated...
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