In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at 14:15:14 on
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings (perhaps with >>>>some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots.
Indeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used Derby as a >>>depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates.
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at 14:15:14 on >>Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings (perhaps with >>>>>some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>>unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots.
Indeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used Derby as a >>>>depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates.
As requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby as
a depot.
In message <o2q1nkpsvulcgacjt84vo76i9h1qs17nqs@4ax.com>, at 15:00:56 on
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at 14:15:14 on
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings (perhaps with >>>>>> some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or
unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots.
Indeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used Derby as a >>>>> depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates.
As requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby as
a depot.
No you didn't. You provided an undated reference that MML's successor
EMR used it for maintenance (light/heavy not specified, coould have just been cleaning and topping up fuel&water).
Next contestant please !!
On 21/01/2026 15:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <o2q1nkpsvulcgacjt84vo76i9h1qs17nqs@4ax.com>, at 15:00:56
on Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at 14:15:14 on >>>> Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings (perhaps with >>>>>>> some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>>>> unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots.
Indeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used Derby as a >>>>>> depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates.
As requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby
as a depot.
No you didn't. You provided an undated reference that MML's
successor EMR used it for maintenance (light/heavy not specified,
coould have just been cleaning and topping up fuel&water).
Next contestant please !!
Quibble, quibble, quibble. All your questions / comments have been answered.
In message <10kqs99$27n11$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:44:40 on Wed, 21 Jan
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
On 21/01/2026 15:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <o2q1nkpsvulcgacjt84vo76i9h1qs17nqs@4ax.com>, at 15:00:56
on Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at 14:15:14 on >>>>> Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings (perhaps with >>>>>>>> some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>>>>> unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots.
Indeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used Derby as a >>>>>>> depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates.
As requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby
as a depot.
No you didn't. You provided an undated reference that MML's
successor EMR used it for maintenance (light/heavy not specified,
coould have just been cleaning and topping up fuel&water).
Next contestant please !!
Quibble, quibble, quibble. All your questions / comments have been answered.
My bad, I couldn't see the dates that it was an MML depot. Can you
please quote whatever it was I missed?
A stray '%' in the url seems to be an easy way to get a 400.
But a retyped url **doesn't have** any %'s in it, that's just an >>>>unhelpful way many browsers display it later.
So you had some other typo. People who simply clicked on the link had no problems.
I would love to see proof they tried to access the site at the *same
time* as I did. At which point it was broken. But fixed later.
That article dates from 24 August 2023. I doubt that anyone has touched it in years.
We know where the fault was, and it wasn't the Web site.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10kqs99$27n11$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:44:40 on Wed, 21 Jan
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
On 21/01/2026 15:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <o2q1nkpsvulcgacjt84vo76i9h1qs17nqs@4ax.com>, at 15:00:56
on Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>>
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at 14:15:14 on >>>>>> Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings (perhaps with >>>>>>>>> some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>>>>>> unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots.
Indeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used Derby as a >>>>>>>> depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates.
As requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby
as a depot.
No you didn't. You provided an undated reference that MML's
successor EMR used it for maintenance (light/heavy not specified,
coould have just been cleaning and topping up fuel&water).
Next contestant please !!
Quibble, quibble, quibble. All your questions / comments have been answered.
My bad, I couldn't see the dates that it was an MML depot. Can you
please quote whatever it was I missed?
It was certainly an HST depot in MML days, as you could find to for
yourself in seconds if you actually wanted to find the answer to your >contrived trick question.
In message <fkbcR.12129$eEW.9668@fx16.ams1>, at 21:13:47 on Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10kqs99$27n11$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:44:40 on Wed, 21 Jan
2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
On 21/01/2026 15:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <o2q1nkpsvulcgacjt84vo76i9h1qs17nqs@4ax.com>, at 15:00:56 >>>>> on˙ Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>> wrote:
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at
14:15:14 on
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings
(perhaps with
some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>>>>>>> unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots.
Indeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used >>>>>>>>> Derby as a
depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates.
As requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby >>>>>> as˙ a depot.
No you didn't. You provided an undated reference that MML's
successor˙ EMR used it for maintenance (light/heavy not specified,
coould have just˙ been cleaning and topping up fuel&water).
Next contestant please !!
Quibble, quibble, quibble. All your questions / comments have been
answered.
My bad, I couldn't see the dates that it was an MML depot. Can you
please quote whatever it was I missed?
It was certainly an HST depot in MML days, as you could find to for
yourself in seconds if you actually wanted to find the answer to your
contrived trick question.
It's fascinating the way you claim I could find out in seconds, and yet
you won't post a cite.
But thanks for saying it was "a depot", not even a/the main depot. All
we need now is for you define what you mean by "a depot" - stabling plus cleaning and refuelling perhaps??
In message <0tn1nk1ha3iai7bja1pcpp9sca9c3ooe02@4ax.com>, at 14:17:41 on
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
A stray '%' in the url seems to be an easy way to get a 400.
But a retyped url **doesn't have** any %'s in it, that's just an
unhelpful way many browsers display it later.
So you had some other typo. People who simply clicked on the link had no problems.
I would love to see proof they tried to access the site at the *same
time* as I did. At which point it was broken. But fixed later.
That article dates from 24 August 2023. I doubt that anyone has touched it in years.
We know where the fault was, and it wasn't the Web site.
The fault was your wonky url.
On 22/01/2026 09:08, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <fkbcR.12129$eEW.9668@fx16.ams1>, at 21:13:47 on Wed, 21 Jan
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10kqs99$27n11$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:44:40 on Wed, 21 Jan >>>> 2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
On 21/01/2026 15:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <o2q1nkpsvulcgacjt84vo76i9h1qs17nqs@4ax.com>, at 15:00:56 >>>>>> on˙ Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>> wrote:
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at
14:15:14 on
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings >>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps withIndeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used >>>>>>>>>> Derby as a
some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots. >>>>>>>>>>
depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates.
As requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby >>>>>>> as˙ a depot.
No you didn't. You provided an undated reference that MML's
successor˙ EMR used it for maintenance (light/heavy not specified, >>>>>> coould have just˙ been cleaning and topping up fuel&water).
Next contestant please !!
Quibble, quibble, quibble. All your questions / comments have been
answered.
My bad, I couldn't see the dates that it was an MML depot. Can you
please quote whatever it was I missed?
It was certainly an HST depot in MML days, as you could find to for
yourself in seconds if you actually wanted to find the answer to your
contrived trick question.
It's fascinating the way you claim I could find out in seconds, and yet
you won't post a cite.
But thanks for saying it was "a depot", not even a/the main depot. All
we need now is for you define what you mean by "a depot" - stabling plus
cleaning and refuelling perhaps??
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
On 22/01/2026 09:08, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <fkbcR.12129$eEW.9668@fx16.ams1>, at 21:13:47 on Wed, 21
Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:It's fascinating the way you claim I could find out in seconds, and
In message <10kqs99$27n11$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:44:40 on Wed, 21 Jan >>>> 2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
On 21/01/2026 15:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <o2q1nkpsvulcgacjt84vo76i9h1qs17nqs@4ax.com>, at 15:00:56 >>>>>> on? Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry >>>>>>><roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>14:15:14 on
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings >>>>>>>>>>>(perhaps withIndeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used >>>>>>>>>>Derby as a
some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots. >>>>>>>>>>
depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates.
As requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby >>>>>>> as? a depot.
No you didn't. You provided an undated reference that MML's
successor? EMR used it for maintenance (light/heavy not specified, >>>>>> coould have just? been cleaning and topping up fuel&water).
Next contestant please !!
Quibble, quibble, quibble. All your questions / comments have been >>>>>answered.
My bad, I couldn't see the dates that it was an MML depot. Can you
please quote whatever it was I missed?
It was certainly an HST depot in MML days, as you could find to for
yourself in seconds if you actually wanted to find the answer to your
contrived trick question.
yet you won't post a cite.
But thanks for saying it was "a depot", not even a/the main depot.
All we need now is for you define what you mean by "a depot" -
stabling plus cleaning and refuelling perhaps??
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
In message <10kt0do$2tqqe$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:07:38 on Thu, 22 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
On 22/01/2026 09:08, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <fkbcR.12129$eEW.9668@fx16.ams1>, at 21:13:47 on Wed, 21
Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:It's fascinating the way you claim I could find out in seconds, and
In message <10kqs99$27n11$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:44:40 on Wed, 21 Jan >>>>> 2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
On 21/01/2026 15:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <o2q1nkpsvulcgacjt84vo76i9h1qs17nqs@4ax.com>, at 15:00:56 >>>>>>> on˙ Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>> 14:15:14 onAs requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby >>>>>>>> as˙ a depot.
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings >>>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps withIndeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used >>>>>>>>>>> Derby as a
some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots. >>>>>>>>>>>
depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates. >>>>>>>>
No you didn't. You provided an undated reference that MML's
successor˙ EMR used it for maintenance (light/heavy not specified, >>>>>>> coould have just˙ been cleaning and topping up fuel&water).
Next contestant please !!
Quibble, quibble, quibble. All your questions / comments have been >>>>>> answered.
My bad, I couldn't see the dates that it was an MML depot. Can you
please quote whatever it was I missed?
It was certainly an HST depot in MML days, as you could find to for
yourself in seconds if you actually wanted to find the answer to your
contrived trick question.
yet you won't post a cite.
But thanks for saying it was "a depot", not even a/the main depot.
All we need now is for you define what you mean by "a depot" -
stabling plus cleaning and refuelling perhaps??
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
In message <10kt0do$2tqqe$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:07:38 on Thu, 22 Jan
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
On 22/01/2026 09:08, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <fkbcR.12129$eEW.9668@fx16.ams1>, at 21:13:47 on Wed, 21
Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:It's fascinating the way you claim I could find out in seconds, and
In message <10kqs99$27n11$1@dont-email.me>, at 15:44:40 on Wed, 21 Jan >>>>> 2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
On 21/01/2026 15:25, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <o2q1nkpsvulcgacjt84vo76i9h1qs17nqs@4ax.com>, at 15:00:56 >>>>>>> on˙ Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 14:30:18 +0000, Roland Perry
<roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <8rn1nkh32059s6r7gl8ro017o6n8ggf7g7@4ax.com>, at >>>>>>>>> 14:15:14 onAs requested, I provided specific evidence that MML HSTs used Derby >>>>>>>> as˙ a depot.
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked: >>>>>>>>>
There's a difference between simply stabling in sidings >>>>>>>>>>>> (perhaps withIndeed, but please provide some evidence that MML HSTs used >>>>>>>>>>> Derby as a
some routine cleaning and watering) and performing scheduled (or >>>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled) maintenance, which is what happens in depots. >>>>>>>>>>>
depot.
I did.
You didn't. As I said earlier, it failed to include the dates. >>>>>>>>
No you didn't. You provided an undated reference that MML's
successor˙ EMR used it for maintenance (light/heavy not specified, >>>>>>> coould have just˙ been cleaning and topping up fuel&water).
Next contestant please !!
Quibble, quibble, quibble. All your questions / comments have been >>>>>> answered.
My bad, I couldn't see the dates that it was an MML depot. Can you
please quote whatever it was I missed?
It was certainly an HST depot in MML days, as you could find to for
yourself in seconds if you actually wanted to find the answer to your
contrived trick question.
yet you won't post a cite.
But thanks for saying it was "a depot", not even a/the main depot.
All we need now is for you define what you mean by "a depot" -
stabling plus cleaning and refuelling perhaps??
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <0tn1nk1ha3iai7bja1pcpp9sca9c3ooe02@4ax.com>, at 14:17:41 on
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
A stray '%' in the url seems to be an easy way to get a 400.
But a retyped url **doesn't have** any %'s in it, that's just an
unhelpful way many browsers display it later.
So you had some other typo. People who simply clicked on the link had no problems.
I would love to see proof they tried to access the site at the *same
time* as I did. At which point it was broken. But fixed later.
That article dates from 24 August 2023. I doubt that anyone has touched it in years.
We know where the fault was, and it wasn't the Web site.
The fault was your wonky url.
No, the fault was the wonky url *you* typed in to your other machine. The
url I supplied worked then, and continued to work thereafter. How could
you have claim to have ?fixed? something that wasn?t broken? Obviously, it was mis-transcribed copy that was broken, and that you subsequently corrected.
I must say, like the current POTUS, your erratic behaviour gets ever more bizarre. His rambling speech yesterday really reminded me of you (lots of factual errors, getting words mixed up, blame everyone else for everything, irrelevant personal anecdotes, too long, etc).
In message <0tn1nk1ha3iai7bja1pcpp9sca9c3ooe02@4ax.com>, at 14:17:41 onno problems.
Wed, 21 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
A stray '%' in the url seems to be an easy way to get a 400.
But a retyped url **doesn't have** any %'s in it, that's just an >>>>>unhelpful way many browsers display it later.
So you had some other typo. People who simply clicked on the link had
touched it in years.
I would love to see proof they tried to access the site at the *same >>>time* as I did. At which point it was broken. But fixed later.
That article dates from 24 August 2023. I doubt that anyone has
We know where the fault was, and it wasn't the Web site.
The fault was your wonky url.
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
We were talking about where the HSTs were diagrammed to overnight.
My understanding is that one went to Cricklewood, two or three to
Etches Park, and the remainder to Neville Hill.
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
Except that it?s not.
How many times does it have to be stated? The URL provided by
Recliner was NOT (and still isn't) wonky.
In message <iLpcR.12136$eEW.3584@fx16.ams1>, at 13:38:22 on Thu, 22 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
Except that it?s not.
Have you not even read what it says:
"Midland Mainline and Cross County sets were based at Leeds Neville Hill (NL)... HST's were also serviced at... Derby"
In message <24j4nk1vqlfbml62kqi6tl200jmdqs688i@4ax.com>, at 08:20:33 on
Thu, 22 Jan 2026, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:
How many times does it have to be stated? The URL provided by
Recliner was NOT (and still isn't) wonky.
The URL was broken when I first went to the page, I have not denied it's *now* working. Something got fixed.
In message <1RncR.3840$qM7b.3547@fx07.ams1>, at 11:27:57 on Thu, 22 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
My understanding is that one went to Cricklewood, two or three to
Etches Park, and the remainder to Neville Hill.
That sounds very plausible, and with MML having approximately 15 sets,
the majority would have been at Neville Hill.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <24j4nk1vqlfbml62kqi6tl200jmdqs688i@4ax.com>, at 08:20:33 on
Thu, 22 Jan 2026, Nobody <jock@soccer.com> remarked:
How many times does it have to be stated? The URL provided by
Recliner was NOT (and still isn't) wonky.
The URL was broken when I first went to the page, I have not denied it's
*now* working. Something got fixed.
Yes, your typo.
Let me remind you:
?It did, actually, there's a missing word. Should be 'fit-for-future'?
So you mistakenly changed the url to what you thought it should have been, >rather than using what I provided.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <1RncR.3840$qM7b.3547@fx07.ams1>, at 11:27:57 on Thu, 22 Jan
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
My understanding is that one went to Cricklewood, two or three to
Etches Park, and the remainder to Neville Hill.
That sounds very plausible, and with MML having approximately 15 sets,
the majority would have been at Neville Hill.
Did it ever have that many HSTs? I thought it originally had nine, and
then got three more (apart from the Rio sets).
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <iLpcR.12136$eEW.3584@fx16.ams1>, at 13:38:22 on Thu, 22 Jan
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
Except that it?s not.
Have you not even read what it says:
"Midland Mainline and Cross County sets were based at Leeds Neville Hill
(NL)... HST's were also serviced at... Derby"
I?m not disagreeing with that. But it?s not what you said.
Let me remind you, yet again, that you said that all the sets overnighted
at either Neville Hill or Cricklewood. That was simply wrong. They >overnighted in all three depots.
?Observably, they headed off to Neville Hill, not Etches Park, and later >became passenger services (to Sheffield and Leeds). We aren't talking about
a lot of trains, just 1tph London to Nottingham. The London-Derby 1tph
would have gone on to Sheffield, then ECS to Neville Hall, rather than back >to Derby.?
and
?Given that HSTs were sent ECS from Nottingham every evening to Neville
Hill (Leeds), it makes no sense for there to have been an alternative >facility so much closer, in Derby, that they might have used instead.?
So you were wrong. Who?d have thunk it?
In message <dLwcR.25796$BJ84.3478@fx17.ams1>, at 21:36:09 on Thu, 22 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <iLpcR.12136$eEW.3584@fx16.ams1>, at 13:38:22 on Thu, 22 Jan
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
Except that it?s not.
Have you not even read what it says:
"Midland Mainline and Cross County sets were based at Leeds Neville Hill >>> (NL)... HST's were also serviced at... Derby"
I?m not disagreeing with that. But it?s not what you said.
Let me remind you, yet again, that you said that all the sets overnighted
at either Neville Hill or Cricklewood. That was simply wrong. They
overnighted in all three depots.
?Observably, they headed off to Neville Hill, not Etches Park, and later
became passenger services (to Sheffield and Leeds). We aren't talking about >> a lot of trains, just 1tph London to Nottingham. The London-Derby 1tph
would have gone on to Sheffield, then ECS to Neville Hall, rather than back >> to Derby.?
and
?Given that HSTs were sent ECS from Nottingham every evening to Neville
Hill (Leeds), it makes no sense for there to have been an alternative
facility so much closer, in Derby, that they might have used instead.?
So you were wrong. Who?d have thunk it?
Despite requests, you've failed to put a date to any of your
information. So it's quite possible that *at the time I was
describing* [towards the end of MML era] they didn't overnight
at Derby. And then later, EMT decided to extend their existing
facility at Derby, once they had HSTs in their fleet.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <dLwcR.25796$BJ84.3478@fx17.ams1>, at 21:36:09 on Thu, 22 Jan
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <iLpcR.12136$eEW.3584@fx16.ams1>, at 13:38:22 on Thu, 22 Jan >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I suggest you both read this discussion:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/
Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
Except that it?s not.
Have you not even read what it says:
"Midland Mainline and Cross County sets were based at Leeds Neville Hill >>>> (NL)... HST's were also serviced at... Derby"
I?m not disagreeing with that. But it?s not what you said.
Let me remind you, yet again, that you said that all the sets overnighted >>> at either Neville Hill or Cricklewood. That was simply wrong. They
overnighted in all three depots.
?Observably, they headed off to Neville Hill, not Etches Park, and later >>> became passenger services (to Sheffield and Leeds). We aren't talking about >>> a lot of trains, just 1tph London to Nottingham. The London-Derby 1tph
would have gone on to Sheffield, then ECS to Neville Hall, rather than back >>> to Derby.?
and
?Given that HSTs were sent ECS from Nottingham every evening to Neville
Hill (Leeds), it makes no sense for there to have been an alternative
facility so much closer, in Derby, that they might have used instead.?
So you were wrong. Who?d have thunk it?
Despite requests, you've failed to put a date to any of your
information. So it's quite possible that *at the time I was
describing* [towards the end of MML era] they didn't overnight
at Derby. And then later, EMT decided to extend their existing
facility at Derby, once they had HSTs in their fleet.
When do you think the MML first got HSTs?
When do you think the MML first got HSTs?
Not sure I understand why that matters. But April 1996 I would have
thought, inherited from InterCity.
In message <z5sfR.13511$_pb.10480@fx11.ams1>, at 18:45:51 on Sat, 31 Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <dLwcR.25796$BJ84.3478@fx17.ams1>, at 21:36:09 on Thu, 22 Jan >>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <iLpcR.12136$eEW.3584@fx16.ams1>, at 13:38:22 on Thu, 22 Jan >>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I suggest you both read this discussion:Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/ >>>>>>>
Except that it?s not.
Have you not even read what it says:
"Midland Mainline and Cross County sets were based at Leeds Neville Hill >>>>> (NL)... HST's were also serviced at... Derby"
I?m not disagreeing with that. But it?s not what you said.
Let me remind you, yet again, that you said that all the sets overnighted >>>> at either Neville Hill or Cricklewood. That was simply wrong. They
overnighted in all three depots.
?Observably, they headed off to Neville Hill, not Etches Park, and later >>>> became passenger services (to Sheffield and Leeds). We aren't talking about
a lot of trains, just 1tph London to Nottingham. The London-Derby 1tph >>>> would have gone on to Sheffield, then ECS to Neville Hall, rather than back
to Derby.?
and
?Given that HSTs were sent ECS from Nottingham every evening to Neville >>>> Hill (Leeds), it makes no sense for there to have been an alternative
facility so much closer, in Derby, that they might have used instead.? >>>>
So you were wrong. Who?d have thunk it?
Despite requests, you've failed to put a date to any of your
information. So it's quite possible that *at the time I was
describing* [towards the end of MML era] they didn't overnight
at Derby. And then later, EMT decided to extend their existing
facility at Derby, once they had HSTs in their fleet.
When do you think the MML first got HSTs?
Not sure I understand why that matters. But April 1996 I would have
thought, inherited from InterCity.
On 31/01/2026 19:04, Roland Perry wrote:
When do you think the MML first got HSTs?
Not sure I understand why that matters. But April 1996 I would have >>thought, inherited from InterCity.
Try 1982.
Some of the semi fasts still used the Peaks for haulage then,but they
were being withdrawn rapidly, until in 85 or early 86, when there were
only two loco hauled trains each day, which was when all services went
over to HSTs.
IIRC, it was one diagram, up and down, that used loco haulage. It was
83 when the bulk of services were run by HSTs, only early and (very)
late (possibly newspapers?), and perhaps an early evening departure
from St. P continued with loco hauled stock.
There were still occasional 'specials' or extras that used Loco Hauled >Services for a few years after that, but no scheduled LHS for regular >passenger work after 86 - all services were ran by HSTs.
There was a short period when a Fragonset loco and stock ran one
diagram, but this was only a short period, in, iirc, 2001, due to >availablility of the HSTs (engine replacement times?).
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <z5sfR.13511$_pb.10480@fx11.ams1>, at 18:45:51 on Sat, 31 Jan
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <dLwcR.25796$BJ84.3478@fx17.ams1>, at 21:36:09 on Thu, 22 Jan >>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <iLpcR.12136$eEW.3584@fx16.ams1>, at 13:38:22 on Thu, 22 Jan >>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I suggest you both read this discussion:Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/ >>>>>>>>
Except that it?s not.
Have you not even read what it says:
"Midland Mainline and Cross County sets were based at Leeds Neville Hill >>>>>> (NL)... HST's were also serviced at... Derby"
I?m not disagreeing with that. But it?s not what you said.
Let me remind you, yet again, that you said that all the sets overnighted >>>>> at either Neville Hill or Cricklewood. That was simply wrong. They
overnighted in all three depots.
?Observably, they headed off to Neville Hill, not Etches Park, and later >>>>> became passenger services (to Sheffield and Leeds). We aren't >>>>>talking about
a lot of trains, just 1tph London to Nottingham. The London-Derby 1tph >>>>> would have gone on to Sheffield, then ECS to Neville Hall, rather >>>>>than back
to Derby.?
and
?Given that HSTs were sent ECS from Nottingham every evening to Neville >>>>> Hill (Leeds), it makes no sense for there to have been an alternative >>>>> facility so much closer, in Derby, that they might have used instead.? >>>>>
So you were wrong. Who?d have thunk it?
Despite requests, you've failed to put a date to any of your
information. So it's quite possible that *at the time I was
describing* [towards the end of MML era] they didn't overnight
at Derby. And then later, EMT decided to extend their existing
facility at Derby, once they had HSTs in their fleet.
When do you think the MML first got HSTs?
Not sure I understand why that matters. But April 1996 I would have
thought, inherited from InterCity.
Correct. EMT always had HSTs in its fleet.
So, what did you mean by, ?And then later, EMT decided to extend their >existing facility at Derby, once they had HSTs in their fleet??
In message <imvfR.22084$mUza.11675@fx09.ams1>, at 22:28:30 on Sat, 31
Jan 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <z5sfR.13511$_pb.10480@fx11.ams1>, at 18:45:51 on Sat, 31 Jan >>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <dLwcR.25796$BJ84.3478@fx17.ams1>, at 21:36:09 on Thu, 22 Jan >>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <iLpcR.12136$eEW.3584@fx16.ams1>, at 13:38:22 on Thu, 22 Jan >>>>>>> 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I suggest you both read this discussion:Many thanks! So exactly what I said earlier.
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/124685-where-have-hsts-been-based/ >>>>>>>>>
Except that it?s not.
Have you not even read what it says:
"Midland Mainline and Cross County sets were based at Leeds Neville Hill
(NL)... HST's were also serviced at... Derby"
I?m not disagreeing with that. But it?s not what you said.
Let me remind you, yet again, that you said that all the sets overnighted
at either Neville Hill or Cricklewood. That was simply wrong. They >>>>>> overnighted in all three depots.
?Observably, they headed off to Neville Hill, not Etches Park, and later >>>>>> became passenger services (to Sheffield and Leeds). We aren't
talking about
a lot of trains, just 1tph London to Nottingham. The London-Derby 1tph >>>>>> would have gone on to Sheffield, then ECS to Neville Hall, rather >>>>>> than back
to Derby.?
and
?Given that HSTs were sent ECS from Nottingham every evening to Neville >>>>>> Hill (Leeds), it makes no sense for there to have been an alternative >>>>>> facility so much closer, in Derby, that they might have used instead.? >>>>>>
So you were wrong. Who?d have thunk it?
Despite requests, you've failed to put a date to any of your
information. So it's quite possible that *at the time I was
describing* [towards the end of MML era] they didn't overnight
at Derby. And then later, EMT decided to extend their existing
facility at Derby, once they had HSTs in their fleet.
When do you think the MML first got HSTs?
Not sure I understand why that matters. But April 1996 I would have
thought, inherited from InterCity.
Correct. EMT always had HSTs in its fleet.
So, what did you mean by, ?And then later, EMT decided to extend their
existing facility at Derby, once they had HSTs in their fleet??
Because in that context EMT is the successor to Central trains, plus
MML-toc bolted on. So before the franchise existed they had no HSTs, but
as soon as it started operating they did. And they also inherited the
Derby depot, which was later extended to accommodate HSTs.
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