• Didn't realise they had street running in Germany

    From boltar@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 09:54:09
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.


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  • From Marland@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 10:17:58
    <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.



    Interesting find, I believe there were quite a few short street running sections in the UK over the years but most were forgotten as just being
    part of the industrial landscape apart from Weymouth where the passenger operation made it famous.
    Ireland still has a section in Dublin which was quite busy but has been suspended for Port development.

    <https://youtu.be/Bt8eJt5HnDU?si=LBimlGr1ptNA0ulK>

    GH

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  • From Graeme Wall@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 12:11:10
    On 15/03/2026 10:17, Marland wrote:
    <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.



    Interesting find, I believe there were quite a few short street running sections in the UK over the years but most were forgotten as just being
    part of the industrial landscape

    Glasgow is probably the most famous industrial one where the wagons ran
    on their flanges in the tram track grooves.

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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 12:24:06

    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> posted:

    On 15/03/2026 10:17, Marland wrote:
    <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.



    Interesting find, I believe there were quite a few short street running sections in the UK over the years but most were forgotten as just being part of the industrial landscape

    Glasgow is probably the most famous industrial one where the wagons ran
    on their flanges in the tram track grooves.

    Street running with RW wagons was quite popular
    on former Austro-Hungarian tram networks.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%BCterstra%C3%9Fenbahn#/media/Datei:Arad_Andrassy_ter.jpg

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  • From NY@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 12:28:03
    On 15/03/2026 09:54, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.

    I presume there has to be a "flag man" at every single side road to
    prevent cars turning left onto the road, and then meeting the train
    head-on with nowhere to pull onto the kerb.

    I imagine the movements are publicised in advance so people who have
    parked along that road, in between the flag men, know not to pull away
    from the kerb until the train has gone past.

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  • From Robert@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 12:35:54
    On 15/03/2026 09:54, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:

    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:
    They have street running between Weiz Bahnhof and Weiz Nord in Austria,
    too. Hourly service each way.

    Cheers,
    --
    Rob
    "I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational
    in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
    to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7


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  • From Marland@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 12:36:56
    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 15/03/2026 10:17, Marland wrote:
    <boltar@caprica.universe> wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.



    Interesting find, I believe there were quite a few short street running
    sections in the UK over the years but most were forgotten as just being
    part of the industrial landscape

    Glasgow is probably the most famous industrial one where the wagons ran
    on their flanges in the tram track grooves.


    And the section they used to the Fairfield shipyard was retained when the route was converted to Trolleybuses so their loco had to be equipped with
    two poles replacing the bow collector.
    Portsmouth and adjoining tramways were laid to the narrower 4ft 7 3/4 inch gauge that allowed for flange running in anticipation of traffic to the dockyard but none ever took place.

    GH

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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 12:42:44

    Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> posted:

    On 15/03/2026 09:54, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:

    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:
    They have street running between Weiz Bahnhof and Weiz Nord in Austria,
    too.

    Hasn't been rebuilt into https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rail_transport_in_Weiz#/media/File:Weizer_Bahn_KGS.jpg ?

    Regards, ULF

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  • From Robert@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 12:48:17
    On 15/03/2026 12:42, Ulf Kutzner wrote:

    Hasn't been rebuilt into https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rail_transport_in_Weiz#/media/File:Weizer_Bahn_KGS.jpg ?
    It has been rebuilt, but there is still actual street running at the
    junctions :-)

    Cheers,
    --
    Rob
    "I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational
    in order to prove that you care, or, indeed, why it should be necessary
    to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7


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  • From Charles Ellson@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 22:59:12
    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 12:28:03 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 15/03/2026 09:54, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.

    I presume there has to be a "flag man" at every single side road to
    prevent cars turning left onto the road, and then meeting the train
    head-on with nowhere to pull onto the kerb.

    I imagine the movements are publicised in advance so people who have
    parked along that road, in between the flag men, know not to pull away
    from the kerb until the train has gone past.

    Having watched television programmes featuring odd bits of
    street-running in Germany and Switzerland, I don't recall ever
    noticing a flagman.

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 23:13:33
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 12:28:03 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 15/03/2026 09:54, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.

    I presume there has to be a "flag man" at every single side road to
    prevent cars turning left onto the road, and then meeting the train
    head-on with nowhere to pull onto the kerb.

    I imagine the movements are publicised in advance so people who have
    parked along that road, in between the flag men, know not to pull away
    from the kerb until the train has gone past.

    Having watched television programmes featuring odd bits of
    street-running in Germany and Switzerland, I don't recall ever
    noticing a flagman.


    That?s true, but those are regular services, and run either on one-way
    streets or roads wide enough that the train doesn?t block traffic in the opposite direction. But I witnessed a near-collision in Bad Doberan when a
    car emerged too quickly from a side street, not expecting to meet a steam
    loco on the high street ahead:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550714292/in/album-72157710347232142

    Unlike our part-time UK railway system, this operates 365 days a year.

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  • From Tweed@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 07:52:58
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 12:28:03 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 15/03/2026 09:54, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.

    I presume there has to be a "flag man" at every single side road to
    prevent cars turning left onto the road, and then meeting the train
    head-on with nowhere to pull onto the kerb.

    I imagine the movements are publicised in advance so people who have
    parked along that road, in between the flag men, know not to pull away
    from the kerb until the train has gone past.

    Having watched television programmes featuring odd bits of
    street-running in Germany and Switzerland, I don't recall ever
    noticing a flagman.


    That?s true, but those are regular services, and run either on one-way streets or roads wide enough that the train doesn?t block traffic in the opposite direction. But I witnessed a near-collision in Bad Doberan when a car emerged too quickly from a side street, not expecting to meet a steam loco on the high street ahead:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550714292/in/album-72157710347232142

    Unlike our part-time UK railway system, this operates 365 days a year.


    The RhB runs through the middle of Tirano at its Italian terminus. There?s
    also a short bit of street running over the border in Switzerland.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmi80MnAVY

    These aren?t short trains either. Some car drivers, presumably non local, sometimes don?t appreciate the problems. The last time I was on it there
    was a lot of furious use of the train?s horn against one particular
    vehicle.


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  • From boltar@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 16:23:35
    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 23:13:33 GMT
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled: >https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550714292/in/album-72157710347232142

    Rather lacking in steam coming out of the chimneys. Presumably being pushed
    by a diesel at the other end?



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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 16:26:16
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 16:23:35 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 23:13:33 GMT
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled: >>https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550714292/in/album-72157710347232142

    Rather lacking in steam coming out of the chimneys. Presumably being pushed >by a diesel at the other end?


    Nope, it was under steam

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  • From boltar@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 16:41:08
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 16:26:16 +0000
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 16:23:35 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 23:13:33 GMT
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled: >>>https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550714292/in/album-72157710347232142


    Rather lacking in steam coming out of the chimneys. Presumably being pushed >>by a diesel at the other end?


    Nope, it was under steam

    So where is the steam? Was it a condenser loco using smokeless coke?


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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 16:52:39
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 16:41:08 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 16:26:16 +0000
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 16:23:35 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 23:13:33 GMT
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled: >>>>https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550714292/in/album-72157710347232142


    Rather lacking in steam coming out of the chimneys. Presumably being pushed >>>by a diesel at the other end?


    Nope, it was under steam

    So where is the steam? Was it a condenser loco using smokeless coke?

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550568711/in/album-72157710347232142

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550712337/in/album-72157710347232142

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550568996/in/album-72157710347232142

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550713437/in/album-72157710347232142

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  • From Graeme Wall@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 17:26:27
    On 16/03/2026 16:41, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 16:26:16 +0000
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
    On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 16:23:35 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe wrote:

    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 23:13:33 GMT
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> gabbled:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550714292/in/album-72157710347232142


    Rather lacking in steam coming out of the chimneys. Presumably being pushed >>> by a diesel at the other end?


    Nope, it was under steam

    So where is the steam? Was it a condenser loco using smokeless coke?


    Regulator closed.
    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.



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  • From Theo@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 17:32:25
    boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.

    For anyone wondering, this is at the gate of the Alstom (formerly
    Bombardier) plant in Bautzen, where the factory gate is at one end of Fabrikstrasse and exchange sidings at the other end: https://maps.app.goo.gl/GQ2o62VsrbhMxwmq7

    I expect the locals are well used to it.

    Theo

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  • From Bob@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 10:20:19
    On 16/03/2026 08:52, Tweed wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 12:28:03 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 15/03/2026 09:54, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.

    I presume there has to be a "flag man" at every single side road to
    prevent cars turning left onto the road, and then meeting the train
    head-on with nowhere to pull onto the kerb.

    I imagine the movements are publicised in advance so people who have
    parked along that road, in between the flag men, know not to pull away >>>> from the kerb until the train has gone past.

    Having watched television programmes featuring odd bits of
    street-running in Germany and Switzerland, I don't recall ever
    noticing a flagman.


    That?s true, but those are regular services, and run either on one-way
    streets or roads wide enough that the train doesn?t block traffic in the
    opposite direction. But I witnessed a near-collision in Bad Doberan when a >> car emerged too quickly from a side street, not expecting to meet a steam
    loco on the high street ahead:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550714292/in/album-72157710347232142

    Unlike our part-time UK railway system, this operates 365 days a year.


    The RhB runs through the middle of Tirano at its Italian terminus. There?s also a short bit of street running over the border in Switzerland.

    In addition to the Arosa line that runs on-street through Chur.
    Switzerland baically created a regulatory environment where meter gauge
    = tram and standard gauge = proper train, with the consequence that a
    lot of the meter gauge stuff has street running sections. A lot of those
    lines are more of an "interurban" kind of character, with lines running
    along the sides of streets for significant parts of the route.

    Robin

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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 09:35:45

    Bob <nospam@gmail.com> posted:

    On 16/03/2026 08:52, Tweed wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 12:28:03 +0000, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    On 15/03/2026 09:54, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    Normally the sort of thing you expect to see in the USA:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5ZJ5Nvo2Ec

    A hell of an incline to drag that weight too.

    I presume there has to be a "flag man" at every single side road to
    prevent cars turning left onto the road, and then meeting the train
    head-on with nowhere to pull onto the kerb.

    I imagine the movements are publicised in advance so people who have >>>> parked along that road, in between the flag men, know not to pull away >>>> from the kerb until the train has gone past.

    Having watched television programmes featuring odd bits of
    street-running in Germany and Switzerland, I don't recall ever
    noticing a flagman.


    That?s true, but those are regular services, and run either on one-way
    streets or roads wide enough that the train doesn?t block traffic in the >> opposite direction. But I witnessed a near-collision in Bad Doberan when a >> car emerged too quickly from a side street, not expecting to meet a steam >> loco on the high street ahead:

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/recliner/48550714292/in/album-72157710347232142

    Unlike our part-time UK railway system, this operates 365 days a year.


    The RhB runs through the middle of Tirano at its Italian terminus. There?s also a short bit of street running over the border in Switzerland.

    In addition to the Arosa line that runs on-street through Chur.
    Switzerland baically created a regulatory environment where meter gauge
    = tram and standard gauge = proper train, with the consequence that a
    lot of the meter gauge stuff has street running sections. A lot of those lines are more of an "interurban" kind of character, with lines running along the sides of streets for significant parts of the route.

    This is standard gauge: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Seetalbahn#/media/File:Beinwil_am_See_crossing.jpg

    Regards, ULF

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  • From JMB99@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 14:10:21
    On 15/03/2026 23:13, Recliner wrote:
    Unlike our part-time UK railway system, this operates 365 days a year.


    I read some time ago that the company that operates the ferries around
    the Norwegian coastline, similarly operates 24/7/365 and I think it said
    that includes stormy weather.

    Before anyone says anything, I worked weekends and Bank Holidays
    (including Christmas and New Year many times (both one year)) most of my working life.

    Just something that you do when you are providing a service.









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  • From Graeme Wall@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 15:52:03
    On 17/03/2026 14:10, JMB99 wrote:
    On 15/03/2026 23:13, Recliner wrote:
    Unlike our part-time UK railway system, this operates 365 days a year.


    I read some time ago that the company that operates the ferries around
    the Norwegian coastline, similarly operates 24/7/365 and I think it said that includes stormy weather.

    Before anyone says anything, I worked weekends and Bank Holidays
    (including Christmas and New Year many times (both one year)) most of my working life.

    Just something that you do when you are providing a service.


    You are not the only one. My last year as an employee I worked 48
    weekends and averaged 60 hours a week. The only reason I didn't work all
    52 was that I had a three week holiday in the year.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.



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