In message <copr7m-n7r.ln1@castle-combe.rilynn.me.uk>, at 20:24:12 on
Fri, 6 Mar 2026, Roger <usenet@rilynn.me.uk> remarked:
On 06/03/2026 07:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10od0to$6peb$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:43:04 on Thu, 5 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Tomorrow I will be travelling from Edinburgh to Ely[1]. I bought the >>>>> tickets through the ScotRail site, which does split ticketing. The ticket
for the return journey is direct from Ely to Edinburgh but the outward >>>>> tickets are split at Manea. No, there?s not need to change trains, just >>>>> tickets. Apparently that saves about œ4 in around œ100. Seems quite >>>>> random.
OK, so here?s a ticketing question. You?re travelling from Edinburgh to >>>> Ely, changing trains at Peterborough from LNER to a specific XC train.
On which you presumably had a seat reservation.
It's not clear whether that ticket is valid on any train (the phrase "and
connections" rings a bell) but happens to have a reserved seat on that train >> for convenience, or whether it is only valid on that specific train. I'm not >> sure how you would tell the difference without asking.
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on
a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect
an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then
there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your
ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than
on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
On 07/03/2026 08:30, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <copr7m-n7r.ln1@castle-combe.rilynn.me.uk>, at 20:24:12 on
Fri, 6 Mar 2026, Roger <usenet@rilynn.me.uk> remarked:
On 06/03/2026 07:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10od0to$6peb$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:43:04 on Thu, 5 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:On which you presumably had a seat reservation.
Tomorrow I will be travelling from Edinburgh to Ely[1]. I bought the >>>>>> tickets through the ScotRail site, which does split ticketing. The ticket
for the return journey is direct from Ely to Edinburgh but the outward >>>>>> tickets are split at Manea. No, there?s not need to change trains, just >>>>>> tickets. Apparently that saves about œ4 in around œ100. Seems quite >>>>>> random.
OK, so here?s a ticketing question. You?re travelling from Edinburgh to >>>>> Ely, changing trains at Peterborough from LNER to a specific XC train. >>>>
It's not clear whether that ticket is valid on any train (the phrase "and >>> connections" rings a bell) but happens to have a reserved seat on that train
for convenience, or whether it is only valid on that specific train. I'm not
sure how you would tell the difference without asking.
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on
a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the
Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect
an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think
that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then
there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your
ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than
on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
A slightly different question might be: If I had an advance Lumo only ticket from Falkirk to London and I miss my connection at Edinburgh. Do I have to wait, potentially, several hours for the next Lumo train or may I catch the next LNER? I know Lumo do not usually accept LNER tickets when LNER trains are cancelled. (If Lumos are too frequent for this question to be plausible, please swap for another infrequent operator. Or, what happens if it's the last Lumo of the day that I miss?)
On an only slightly related point, I am very wary of relying on connections onto the last train of the day, in case something goes wrong. If everyone
did this, it could make the last train very lightly loaded and at risk of being removed from the timetable, at which point there is a new last train and the process repeats.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <copr7m-n7r.ln1@castle-combe.rilynn.me.uk>, at 20:24:12 on
Fri, 6 Mar 2026, Roger <usenet@rilynn.me.uk> remarked:
On 06/03/2026 07:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10od0to$6peb$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:43:04 on Thu, 5 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:On which you presumably had a seat reservation.
Tomorrow I will be travelling from Edinburgh to Ely[1]. I bought the >>>>>> tickets through the ScotRail site, which does split ticketing. The ticket
for the return journey is direct from Ely to Edinburgh but the outward >>>>>> tickets are split at Manea. No, there?s not need to change trains, just >>>>>> tickets. Apparently that saves about œ4 in around œ100. Seems quite >>>>>> random.
OK, so here?s a ticketing question. You?re travelling from Edinburgh to >>>>> Ely, changing trains at Peterborough from LNER to a specific XC train. >>>>
It's not clear whether that ticket is valid on any train (the phrase "and >>> connections" rings a bell) but happens to have a reserved seat on that train
for convenience, or whether it is only valid on that specific train. I'm not
sure how you would tell the difference without asking.
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on
a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the
Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect
an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think
that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then
there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your
ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than
on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
I have the opposite issue on the return leg. The itinerary offered by ScotRail with our tickets, though not printed on the tickets themselves[1], is to catch the last available connecting service from Ely to Peterborough with again a relatively short connection, 13 minutes, at PBO. I?m thinking we might go for the train before the suggested one.
[1] Advance Single, ?Specified LNER trains, and connecting se?[sic], with
the time of the train and seat reservations from PBO printed on the ticket, but nothing to specify the connecting service(s).
Sam
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <copr7m-n7r.ln1@castle-combe.rilynn.me.uk>, at 20:24:12 on
Fri, 6 Mar 2026, Roger <usenet@rilynn.me.uk> remarked:
On 06/03/2026 07:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10od0to$6peb$1@dont-email.me>, at 22:43:04 on Thu, 5 Mar >>>>> 2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:On which you presumably had a seat reservation.
Tomorrow I will be travelling from Edinburgh to Ely[1]. I bought the >>>>>>> tickets through the ScotRail site, which does split ticketing. The ticket
for the return journey is direct from Ely to Edinburgh but the outward >>>>>>> tickets are split at Manea. No, there?s not need to change trains, just
tickets. Apparently that saves about œ4 in around œ100. Seems quite >>>>>>> random.
OK, so here?s a ticketing question. You?re travelling from Edinburgh to >>>>>> Ely, changing trains at Peterborough from LNER to a specific XC train. >>>>>
It's not clear whether that ticket is valid on any train (the phrase "and >>>> connections" rings a bell) but happens to have a reserved seat on that train
for convenience, or whether it is only valid on that specific train. I'm not
sure how you would tell the difference without asking.
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on >>> a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the
Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect >>> an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think >>> that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then
there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your
ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than >>> on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
I have the opposite issue on the return leg. The itinerary offered by
ScotRail with our tickets, though not printed on the tickets themselves[1], >> is to catch the last available connecting service from Ely to Peterborough >> with again a relatively short connection, 13 minutes, at PBO. I?m thinking >> we might go for the train before the suggested one.
[1] Advance Single, ?Specified LNER trains, and connecting se?[sic], with
the time of the train and seat reservations from PBO printed on the ticket, >> but nothing to specify the connecting service(s).
Sam
I don?t think they care which connecting train you take. You can?t break a journey on an Advance ticket, so if you take an earlier train you just
spend longer hanging around at the connecting station. ie you gain no real personal advantage.
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on
a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the
Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect
an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think
that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then
there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your
ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than
on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
I have the opposite issue on the return leg. The itinerary offered by >ScotRail with our tickets, though not printed on the tickets themselves[1], >is to catch the last available connecting service from Ely to Peterborough >with again a relatively short connection, 13 minutes, at PBO. I?m thinking >we might go for the train before the suggested one.
In message <10oh5ck$1h3d1$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:23:48 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on
a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the
Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect >>> an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think
that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then
there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your
ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than >>> on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
I have the opposite issue on the return leg. The itinerary offered by
ScotRail with our tickets, though not printed on the tickets themselves[1], >> is to catch the last available connecting service from Ely to Peterborough >> with again a relatively short connection, 13 minutes, at PBO. I?m thinking >> we might go for the train before the suggested one.
If the train from Ely to PBO is an XC (originating Stansted) I'd be
very nervous, because they are very prone to being cancelled every
time a butterfly flaps its wings.
In message <10oh5ck$1h3d1$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:23:48 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on
a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the
Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect >>> an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think
that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then
there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your
ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than >>> on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
I have the opposite issue on the return leg. The itinerary offered by >>ScotRail with our tickets, though not printed on the tickets themselves[1], >>is to catch the last available connecting service from Ely to Peterborough >>with again a relatively short connection, 13 minutes, at PBO. I?m thinking >>we might go for the train before the suggested one.
If the train from Ely to PBO is an XC (originating Stansted) I'd be
very nervous, because they are very prone to being cancelled every
time a butterfly flaps its wings.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10oh5ck$1h3d1$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:23:48 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on >>>> a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the
Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect >>>> an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think >>>> that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then
there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your
ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than >>>> on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
I have the opposite issue on the return leg. The itinerary offered
ScotRail with our tickets, though not printed on the tickets >>>themselves[1], is to catch the last available connecting service
from Ely to Peterborough with again a relatively short connection,
13 minutes, at PBO. I?m thinking we might go for the train before
the suggested one.
If the train from Ely to PBO is an XC (originating Stansted) I'd be
very nervous, because they are very prone to being cancelled every
time a butterfly flaps its wings.
Suggested service is the 1459 GA, arr 1539,
but there is also the 1448-1523 EM
and before that (maybe a little too long before) the 1415-1449 XC.
Ticket specifies the 1552 at PBO.
In message <10ohjjs$1m97k$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:26:37 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10oh5ck$1h3d1$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:23:48 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on >>>>> a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the
Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect >>>>> an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think >>>>> that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then
there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your
ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than >>>>> on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
I have the opposite issue on the return leg. The itinerary offered
ScotRail with our tickets, though not printed on the tickets
themselves[1], is to catch the last available connecting service
from Ely to Peterborough with again a relatively short connection,
13 minutes, at PBO. I?m thinking we might go for the train before
the suggested one.
If the train from Ely to PBO is an XC (originating Stansted) I'd be
very nervous, because they are very prone to being cancelled every
time a butterfly flaps its wings.
Suggested service is the 1459 GA, arr 1539,
As that starts at Ipswich, there's plenty of time to look and see if it actually departed, and was on its way.
but there is also the 1448-1523 EM
Much the same.
and before that (maybe a little too long before) the 1415-1449 XC.
Which generally would be a lot less reliable.
Ticket specifies the 1552 at PBO.
What actually happened was:
The GA got to PBO two early
The EM was on time
The XC was one early
And the LNER was one early leaving PBO and as I type is one late at Northallerton.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ohjjs$1m97k$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:26:37 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10oh5ck$1h3d1$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:23:48 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on >>>>>> a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the >>>>>> Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect >>>>>> an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think >>>>>> that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then >>>>>> there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your >>>>>> ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than >>>>>> on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
I have the opposite issue on the return leg. The itinerary offered
ScotRail with our tickets, though not printed on the tickets
themselves[1], is to catch the last available connecting service
from Ely to Peterborough with again a relatively short connection,
13 minutes, at PBO. I?m thinking we might go for the train before
the suggested one.
If the train from Ely to PBO is an XC (originating Stansted) I'd be
very nervous, because they are very prone to being cancelled every
time a butterfly flaps its wings.
Suggested service is the 1459 GA, arr 1539,
As that starts at Ipswich, there's plenty of time to look and see if it
actually departed, and was on its way.
but there is also the 1448-1523 EM
Much the same.
and before that (maybe a little too long before) the 1415-1449 XC.
Which generally would be a lot less reliable.
Ticket specifies the 1552 at PBO.
What actually happened (edit: on Saturday) was...
The GA got to PBO two early
The EM was on time
The XC was one early
And the LNER was one early leaving PBO and as I type is one late at
Northallerton.
Do you have a crystal ball to tell me whether the same thing will happen on >Monday? :-)
In message <10ohobe$1o351$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:47:26 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ohjjs$1m97k$2@dont-email.me>, at 16:26:37 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10oh5ck$1h3d1$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:23:48 on Sat, 7 Mar >>>>> 2026, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
By the nature of an "and connections" ticket, the minor leg is often on >>>>>>> a train which doesn't have seat reservations, but especially in the >>>>>>> Southeast they have a concept of "train reservations" which is in effect
an itinerary that they'd like you to stick with. Although I don't think >>>>>>> that's compulsory to follow.
If one of the trains is late and you miss the connection(sic) then >>>>>>> there's rules about how you resume your trip. It might affect your >>>>>>> ability to claim Delay Repay if you deliberately took a later train than
on the itinerary for the minor leg, and as a result missed the
connection to the major leg.
I have the opposite issue on the return leg. The itinerary offered >>>>>> ScotRail with our tickets, though not printed on the tickets
themselves[1], is to catch the last available connecting service
from Ely to Peterborough with again a relatively short connection, >>>>>> 13 minutes, at PBO. I?m thinking we might go for the train before >>>>>> the suggested one.
If the train from Ely to PBO is an XC (originating Stansted) I'd be
very nervous, because they are very prone to being cancelled every
time a butterfly flaps its wings.
100:
Suggested service is the 1459 GA, arr 1539,
As that starts at Ipswich, there's plenty of time to look and see if it
actually departed, and was on its way.
but there is also the 1448-1523 EM
Much the same.
and before that (maybe a little too long before) the 1415-1449 XC.
Which generally would be a lot less reliable.
Ticket specifies the 1552 at PBO.
What actually happened (edit: on Saturday) was...
The GA got to PBO two early
The EM was on time
The XC was one early
And the LNER was one early leaving PBO and as I type is one late at
Northallerton.
Do you have a crystal ball to tell me whether the same thing will happen on >> Monday? :-)
You didn't say which day you were returning home, so I assumed it was yesterday. For Monday "GOTO 100".
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