In message <10ogp27$1cb4v$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:53:27 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
On 07/03/2026 08:42, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10oep3s$ob63$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:42:04 on Fri, 6 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10oegp0$ldq0$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:19:44 on Fri, 6 Mar >>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
According to an item on the BBC today, 1 in 7 retail outlets no
longer
accept cash.
Wake me up again when that's 6/7. Although I think hospitality is
leading the rush. But that's because they don't trust the staff not
to have their hand in the till.
I carry a cash float in my wallet. The last time I needed it was
onÿ a crossÿ channel ferry when the electronic payment system in
the restaurantÿ failed.
The time before that was at the start of M&S?s cyber attack when
their
payment system shut down.
There are numerous 'cash only' outlets where I am. The most recent
being
a long-established fish and chip shop on the market Place.
And then there's supermarkets needing a œ1 coin to release a trolley. >>>>> Not yet seen one with a card-reader.
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the
appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising
theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
It does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token
with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever
jacket, I take that day.
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the
way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a
drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
In message <10oevlg$qrfc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:33:52 on Fri, 6 Mar
2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 14:20:13 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10oefqg$l3df$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:03:28 on Fri, 6 Mar >>2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 07:11:29 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10o91ff$2qu38$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:27:59 on Wed, 4 >>>>Mar 2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 16:43:54 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> gabbled:
boltar@caprica.universe wrote:Wonder how that works in practice if someone turns up wanting to take a >>>>>grand or 2 out of their bank account which can't be done at what few cash
Do banking hubs have large cash floats for each bank?
In the local one, the cash counter is run by the post office, and >>>>>>each day of the week an employee of a different bank turns up with a >>>>>
machines are left?
The cash will be there, because Post Offices have a significant >>>>float. So it's just a case of verifying identity. Many banking apps >>>>on smartphones will happily transfer "a grand or two" with nothing >>>>more than a 2FA, or one of those little PIN pads.
Transfers can be done online, but some people need - shops, tradesmen - or >>>just prefer - lots of pensioners - actual cash.
Indeed, so transfer it with the app to the PO Counter, who then >>distributes the notes. Or you could just stick a card in the reader on >>the PO counter.
Which part of the word "cash" is confusing you? In case you're unsure it >consists of paper notes and metal coins, neither of which tend to come out >of a card reader.
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods. You
put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash.
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the
way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a
drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only -
I was at my local mall (Central Ramindra) & noticed they have quite
large "the food court is now completely cashless" signs up; the thing I >hand't noticed before is that they now have new machines that are
basically reverse-ATMs, for the goatherders - you put cash in, and it
spits out a prepaid card you can use to pay for your food.
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10oevlg$qrfc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:33:52 on Fri, 6 Mar >>2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 14:20:13 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10oefqg$l3df$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:03:28 on Fri, 6
Mar 2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 07:11:29 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10o91ff$2qu38$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:27:59 on Wed, 4 >>>>>>Mar 2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 16:43:54 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> gabbled:
boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
Do banking hubs have large cash floats for each bank?
In the local one, the cash counter is run by the post office, >>>>>>>>and each day of the week an employee of a different bank turns >>>>>>>>
Wonder how that works in practice if someone turns up wanting to >>>>>>>take a
grand or 2 out of their bank account which can't be done at what >>>>>>>few cash
machines are left?
The cash will be there, because Post Offices have a significant >>>>>>float. So it's just a case of verifying identity. Many banking >>>>>>apps on smartphones will happily transfer "a grand or two" with >>>>>>nothing more than a 2FA, or one of those little PIN pads.
Transfers can be done online, but some people need - shops, >>>>>tradesmen - or
just prefer - lots of pensioners - actual cash.
Indeed, so transfer it with the app to the PO Counter, who then >>>>distributes the notes. Or you could just stick a card in the reader
on the PO counter.
Which part of the word "cash" is confusing you? In case you're unsure it >>> consists of paper notes and metal coins, neither of which tend to
come out
of a card reader.
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the
way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the >>bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a >>drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the >>>>>appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising >>>>theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
It does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token >>with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever
jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them
up at some trade fare or other.
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the
way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a
drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the
tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only -
Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only -
and I noticed something yesterday afternoon that made me think of this thread.
In message <10ohfr3$1kkqr$3@dont-email.me>, at 15:22:11 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the
appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising
theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
It does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token
with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever
jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them
up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car keys).
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the
way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a
drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the
tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only -
Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
On 08/03/2026 11:45, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the >>>> way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a >>>> drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the
tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only -
Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
Well, I can't say I've visited all of them - but of the ones I've
visited in China and Thailand, I'd say "moreso".
Cash is incredibly inconvenient, even more in "distant rural areas", compared to instant transfers with a phone. And yes, everyone has a
phone, even in distant rural areas (it's practically impossible to exist
in China without a phone, Thailand probably isn't *quite* there yet but
not far off.)
In message <10ohfr3$1kkqr$3@dont-email.me>, at 15:22:11 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
You don?t need a ?1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the >>>>>>appropriate? size will work.
?Sure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising >>>>>the? cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
It does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token >>>with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever >>>jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them
up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely >event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car keys).
On 08/03/2026 03:49, Clank wrote:
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the
tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only
- and I noticed something yesterday afternoon that made me think of
this thread.
I might have thought that people would be getting more wary of the small pocket size card readers with all the scams that there have been.
Even fake charity chuggers have been scamming people.
The whole business model of a supermarket is based on externalised costs. >>> You pick your own items off the shelves. You pack and carry your purchases. >>> Why just pick on the trolley lock?
Because it's one of the items which causes friction. Whereas doing my
own picking and checking out is generally preferable to having a minimum
wage person doing it instead, badly.
In particular, manned checkouts often get prices wrong, because the
tills haven't been programmed with special offers etc. Whereas if I
self-checkout I can complain if that happens.
Are you permanently stressed? Every part of daily life seems to throw up >problems
On 06/03/2026 14:42, Tweed wrote:
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the appropriate >> size will work.
I have seen dummy coins being given away, I think I have one on one of
my keyrings though never use trollies so never tried it.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ohfr3$1kkqr$3@dont-email.me>, at 15:22:11 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the
appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising >>>>>> theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
It does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token
with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever
jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them
up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely
event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car keys).
Well get some more. You can buy them in quantity from Amazon or eBay for
very little.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 09:58:23 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ohfr3$1kkqr$3@dont-email.me>, at 15:22:11 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the >>>>>>>appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising >>>>>>theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
It does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token >>>>with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever >>>>jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them
up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely >>event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car keys).
Whic may be why people tend to leave such tokens in their car(s).
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the
tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only -
Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
Aren?t distant rural areas the ideal place for cashless?
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 08/03/2026 11:45, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods. >>>>>> You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the >>>>>> way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a >>>>>> drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the >>>> tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only - >>>
Well, I can't say I've visited all of them - but of the ones I've
visited in China and Thailand, I'd say "moreso".
Cash is incredibly inconvenient, even more in "distant rural areas",
compared to instant transfers with a phone. And yes, everyone has a
phone, even in distant rural areas (it's practically impossible to exist
in China without a phone, Thailand probably isn't *quite* there yet but
not far off.)
Sure one would be served here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Pangklang_village#/media/File:Akha_hilltribe,_Chiang_Rai_Province_P1110704.JPG
with card/phone payment only and no more trouble than cash only?
In message <10ogt3k$1ebtr$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:02:28 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
The whole business model of a supermarket is based on externalised costs. >>> You pick your own items off the shelves. You pack and carry your purchases.
Why just pick on the trolley lock?
Because it's one of the items which causes friction. Whereas doing my
own picking and checking out is generally preferable to having a minimum >> wage person doing it instead, badly.
In particular, manned checkouts often get prices wrong, because the
tills haven't been programmed with special offers etc. Whereas if I
self-checkout I can complain if that happens.
Are you permanently stressed? Every part of daily life seems to throw up >problems
I'm only stressed when people mess things up, which seems to happen
more and more often. Tesco the other day did have the right prices
for everything, but the CoOp is dreadful. Bought some wine this week
reduced to œ6.50 from œ10, and more often than not their tills would
have charged œ10 anyway.
On 08/03/2026 12:34, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 08/03/2026 11:45, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the >>>> tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only - >>>
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods. >>>>>> You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the >>>>>> way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a >>>>>> drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine.... >>>>
Well, I can't say I've visited all of them - but of the ones I've
visited in China and Thailand, I'd say "moreso".
Cash is incredibly inconvenient, even more in "distant rural areas",
compared to instant transfers with a phone. And yes, everyone has a
phone, even in distant rural areas (it's practically impossible to exist >> in China without a phone, Thailand probably isn't *quite* there yet but
not far off.)
Sure one would be served here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Pangklang_village#/media/File:Akha_hilltribe,_Chiang_Rai_Province_P1110704.JPG
with card/phone payment only and no more trouble than cash only?
Honestly, yes. (Well, not card, but phone.)
Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that because people wear traditional clothes they are 'backward'.
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the >>>>> way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a >>>>> drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the
tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only -
Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
Aren?t distant rural areas the ideal place for cashless? Providing physical banks and even cash machines is expensive. It?s also safer than cash stored (and/or transported) , which is what you end up doing if you don?t have
easy access to banks (or similar).
In message <10oji23$29i7c$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:12:19 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ohfr3$1kkqr$3@dont-email.me>, at 15:22:11 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the >>>>>>>> appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising >>>>>>> theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
It does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token >>>>> with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever
jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them >>>> up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely
event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car keys).
Well get some more. You can buy them in quantity from Amazon or eBay for
very little.
You end up with every bunch of keys looking like a jailer.
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
In message <o4kqqkhftfbt9v6sr5r68t1defcc8itj31@4ax.com>, at 10:34:22 on
Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 09:58:23 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ohfr3$1kkqr$3@dont-email.me>, at 15:22:11 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the >>>>>>>> appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising >>>>>>> theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
ÿIt does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token >>>>> with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever
jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them >>>> up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely
event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car keys).
Whic may be why people tend to leave such tokens in their car(s).
I do try, but sometimes that doesn't work either.
On 08/03/2026 10:39, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <o4kqqkhftfbt9v6sr5r68t1defcc8itj31@4ax.com>, at 10:34:22
on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Trolleybus <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 09:58:23 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ohfr3$1kkqr$3@dont-email.me>, at 15:22:11 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the >>>>>>>>> appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising >>>>>>>> theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
ÿIt does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token >>>>>> with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever >>>>>> jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them >>>>> up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely >>>> event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car
keys).
Whic may be why people tend to leave such tokens in their car(s).
I do try, but sometimes that doesn't work either.
You could go to a supermarket which doesn't require a coin to use their trolleys.......
In message <10oh3ph$1fn3r$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:56:34 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10oevlg$qrfc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:33:52 on Fri, 6 Mar
2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 14:20:13 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10oefqg$l3df$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:03:28 on Fri, 6
Marÿ 2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 07:11:29 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10o91ff$2qu38$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:27:59 on Wed, 4 >>>>>>> Mar 2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 16:43:54 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> gabbled:
boltar@caprica.universe wrote:Wonder how that works in practice if someone turns up wanting to >>>>>>>> take a
Do banking hubs have large cash floats for each bank?
In the local one, the cash counter is run by the post office, >>>>>>>>> andÿ each day of the week an employee of a different bank turns >>>>>>>>
grand or 2 out of their bank account which can't be done at what >>>>>>>> few cash
machines are left?
The cash will be there, because Post Offices have a significant >>>>>>> float. So it's just a case of verifying identity. Many banking
appsÿ on smartphones will happily transfer "a grand or two" with >>>>>>> nothingÿ more than a 2FA, or one of those little PIN pads.
Transfers can be done online, but some people need - shops,
tradesmen - or
just prefer - lots of pensioners - actual cash.
Indeed, so transfer it with the app to the PO Counter, who then
distributes the notes. Or you could just stick a card in the reader >>>>> on the PO counter.
Which part of the word "cash" is confusing you? In case you're
unsure it
consists of paper notes and metal coins, neither of which tend to
comeÿ out
of a card reader.
ÿI didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
Youÿ put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the
way itÿ works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proofÿ glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a
drawerÿ conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
I don't think I've ever seen a Post Office without a card reader facing
the customer, on the counter. Presumably they were originally installed
so people could pay for... err... postage, in other than cash.
On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 08:46:55 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10oevlg$qrfc$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:33:52 on Fri, 6 Mar
2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 14:20:13 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10oefqg$l3df$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:03:28 on Fri, 6 Mar >>>>2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2026 07:11:29 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10o91ff$2qu38$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:27:59 on Wed, 4 >>>>>>Mar 2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
On Tue, 3 Mar 2026 16:43:54 +0000
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> gabbled: >>>>>>>>boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
Do banking hubs have large cash floats for each bank?
In the local one, the cash counter is run by the post office, >>>>>>>>and each day of the week an employee of a different bank turns up with a
Wonder how that works in practice if someone turns up wanting to take a >>>>>>>grand or 2 out of their bank account which can't be done at what few cash
machines are left?
The cash will be there, because Post Offices have a significant >>>>>>float. So it's just a case of verifying identity. Many banking >>>>>>apps on smartphones will happily transfer "a grand or two" with >>>>>>nothing more than a 2FA, or one of those little PIN pads.
Transfers can be done online, but some people need - shops, tradesmen - or >>>>>just prefer - lots of pensioners - actual cash.
Indeed, so transfer it with the app to the PO Counter, who then >>>>distributes the notes. Or you could just stick a card in the reader
on the PO counter.
Which part of the word "cash" is confusing you? In case you're unsure it >>>consists of paper notes and metal coins, neither of which tend to come out >>>of a card reader.
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the
way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the >>bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a >>drawer conveniently located just beside them.
A post office is unlikely to have enough cash for its own purposes as well
as all the seperate banks that may use it as a hub. A single withdrawal of
a few ground could wipe out their float for the day.
Even fake charity chuggers have been scamming people.
No need for small picket sized readers - you just use a phone and scan
a barcode. I literally /never/ use my bank card (you don't even need
it at the ATM, which also has QR-code withdrawal).
For small retailers - like the food carts in the street outside my
condo - they just have their "receive code" printed on a sign. When I
ask for my pad thai or whatever, they tell me how much, I scan the QR,
type in the amount and press send.
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
I do try, but sometimes that doesn't work either.Whic may be why people tend to leave such tokens in their car(s).You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the >>>>>>>>> appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising >>>>>>>> theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
ÿIt does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token >>>>>> with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever >>>>>> jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them >>>>> up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely >>>> event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car keys). >>>
You could go to a supermarket which doesn't require a coin to use their >trolleys.......
In message <10ogt3k$1ebtr$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:02:28 on Sat, 7 MarWhen I use the Dartford Crossing it just automatically debits my credit
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
The whole business model of a supermarket is based on externalised costs. >>>> You pick your own items off the shelves. You pack and carry your purchases.
Why just pick on the trolley lock?
Because it's one of the items which causes friction. Whereas doing my
own picking and checking out is generally preferable to having a minimum >>> wage person doing it instead, badly.
In particular, manned checkouts often get prices wrong, because the
tills haven't been programmed with special offers etc. Whereas if I
self-checkout I can complain if that happens.
Are you permanently stressed? Every part of daily life seems to throw up
problems
I'm only stressed when people mess things up, which seems to happen
more and more often. Tesco the other day did have the right prices
for everything, but the CoOp is dreadful. Bought some wine this week
reduced to œ6.50 from œ10, and more often than not their tills would
have charged œ10 anyway.
Then today, for example, there's the Cambridge Half Marathon, with 12k runners and up to 100k spectators expected. But no stage buses (because
it's Sunday), no trains (because it's too early on Sunday, but they are
all bustituted because of engineering works anyway), and the P&R are charging œ12 per passenger because they having to put on special buses earlier than they'd normally be running.
I bet Uber is making a fortune with surge-pricing, the local minicabs
are all metered, but presumably booked solid.
Although as it happens I was always going to sit at home all day, so in
fact *I'm* not particularly stressed. No doubt all the shops in Central Cambridge will be deserted, because almost nobody can get to them.
Last weekend I drove to Brighton, and randomly it was their half
marathon. But I found somewhere to on-street park very easily because
I arrived at noon, literally as they were taking down some of the "road closed" signs, so the whole Pavilion/Seafront area was devoid of
traffic.
We then went to a highly recommended country pub for lunch, but not
until 2:30pm, because that was the earliest slot they had available a
week in advance. The "Sunday Roast" turned out to be boil-in-the-bag,
rather than carvery, which was disappointing for œ23 a plate. But the ambience and waitressing was flawless. It even had 5G coverage.
Paying for the Dartford Crossing didn't work, because of another glitch
- I have an account but it said my browser-stored password was wrong,
and attempting to do a password-reset they didn't send me the necessary email, despite me trying several times. So I had to do a one-off
no-account payment. Back in the day you just threw a couple of coins in
a bin, and drove off.
This week in Cambs I've encountered three sets of "Road Closed" signs
where the work has been completed, sometimes days previously, but
they've not taken down the signs.
I reckon I encounter about one incident of these sorts, on average every day. But only complain publicly, about one in ten times (and generally
not here unless it's rail-related).
ps Next weekend is Mother's Day, and I'm not even going to attempt to go
out and find Sunday lunch anywhere. One of my local pubs said the reason they had œ200 bottles of Champagne [about œ150 gross margin] on their
wine list was for days like that, where sons wanted to show off to their mothers.
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday
cage etc).
In message <10ojhrl$29fsj$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:08:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the >>>> tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only - >>>Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
Aren?t distant rural areas the ideal place for cashless?
Not if they don't have mobile coverage. What claims to be the biggest
car boot sale in the County (and a couple of miles from Ian Huntley's
former home, itself a mile from a newly reopened railway station), last
time I went there was no coverage from *any* network.
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 08/03/2026 12:34, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 08/03/2026 11:45, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the >>>>>> tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only - >>>>>
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods. >>>>>>>> You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the >>>>>>>> way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the >>>>>>>> bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a >>>>>>>> drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine.... >>>>>>
Well, I can't say I've visited all of them - but of the ones I've
visited in China and Thailand, I'd say "moreso".
Cash is incredibly inconvenient, even more in "distant rural areas",
compared to instant transfers with a phone. And yes, everyone has a
phone, even in distant rural areas (it's practically impossible to exist >>>> in China without a phone, Thailand probably isn't *quite* there yet but >>>> not far off.)
Sure one would be served here
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Pangklang_village#/media/File:Akha_hilltribe,_Chiang_Rai_Province_P1110704.JPG
with card/phone payment only and no more trouble than cash only?
Honestly, yes. (Well, not card, but phone.)
Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that because people wear
traditional clothes they are 'backward'.
I would have thought about network coverage and
terms of banking trade in their specific language.
On 08/03/2026 10:08, Tweed wrote:
Ulf Kutzner <user2991@newsgrouper.org.invalid> wrote:
Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> posted:
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods. >>>>>> You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the >>>>>> way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a >>>>>> drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the >>>> tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only - >>>
Aren?t distant rural areas the ideal place for cashless? Providing physical >> banks and even cash machines is expensive. It?s also safer than cash stored >> (and/or transported) , which is what you end up doing if you don?t have
easy access to banks (or similar).
Fine whie you have connectivity, see <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gjjgrgpylo>
In message <10ojne0$2auhf$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:44:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> remarked:
I do try, but sometimes that doesn't work either.Whic may be why people tend to leave such tokens in their car(s).You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the >>>>>>>>> appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising >>>>>>>> theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
ÿIt does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token >>>>>> with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever >>>>>> jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them >>>>> up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely >>>> event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car keys). >>>
You could go to a supermarket which doesn't require a coin to use their >trolleys.......
Which is my main strategy. Unfortunately the nearby Aldi, which requires
a coin, doesn't have an easily substitutable replacement. Because most
of their best stuff is own-brand.
ps Next weekend is Mother's Day, and I'm not even going to attempt to go
out and find Sunday lunch anywhere. One of my local pubs said the reason they had œ200 bottles of Champagne [about œ150 gross margin] on their
wine list was for days like that, where sons wanted to show off to their mothers.
...Paying for the Dartford Crossing didn't work, because of another glitch
- I have an account but it said my browser-stored password was wrong,
and attempting to do a password-reset they didn't send me the necessary
email, despite me trying several times. So I had to do a one-off
no-account payment. Back in the day you just threw a couple of coins in
a bin, and drove off.
When I use the Dartford Crossing it just automatically debits my credit
card.
That?s easier than chucking coins in a bin and doesn?t impede traffic
flow at toll barriers.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday
cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojhrl$29fsj$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:08:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the >>>>> tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only - >>>>Even at distant rural areas in the given country?
Aren?t distant rural areas the ideal place for cashless?
Not if they don't have mobile coverage. What claims to be the biggest
car boot sale in the County (and a couple of miles from Ian Huntley's
former home, itself a mile from a newly reopened railway station), last
time I went there was no coverage from *any* network.
What is it with mobile coverage and the fens? In RF terms it ought to be
the easiest landscape topology to cover. Rural Northumberland has a low >population density, but I can?t remember the last time I was without
signal.
In message <10ojoh5$2bjtl$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:02:45 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
...Paying for the Dartford Crossing didn't work, because of another glitch
- I have an account but it said my browser-stored password was wrong,
and attempting to do a password-reset they didn't send me the necessary
email, despite me trying several times. So I had to do a one-off
no-account payment. Back in the day you just threw a couple of coins in
a bin, and drove off.
When I use the Dartford Crossing it just automatically debits my credit >card.
I wanted to check that this had actually happened, but it wouldn't let
me access my account. But maybe I've paid twice now... something else to check!
That?s easier than chucking coins in a bin and doesn?t impede traffic
flow at toll barriers.
The toll barriers didn't impede flow
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday
cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs >connectivity.
In message <10ojjnq$2a396$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:40:59 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
Even fake charity chuggers have been scamming people.
No need for small picket sized readers - you just use a phone and scan
a barcode. I literally /never/ use my bank card (you don't even need
it at the ATM, which also has QR-code withdrawal).
For small retailers - like the food carts in the street outside my
condo - they just have their "receive code" printed on a sign. When I
ask for my pad thai or whatever, they tell me how much, I scan the QR, >>type in the amount and press send.
ObRail: what's apparently been happening quite a bit in the UK is
scammers putting *their* QR codes on top of the real ones at station
car parks, and grabbing the fee. The customer then also gets a œ100
penalty for not having paid the real operator.
In message <10ojhrl$29fsj$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:08:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Aren?t distant rural areas the ideal place for cashless?
Not if they don't have mobile coverage. What claims to be the biggest
car boot sale in the County (and a couple of miles from Ian Huntley's
former home, itself a mile from a newly reopened railway station), last
time I went there was no coverage from *any* network.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 10:42:41 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10ojhrl$29fsj$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:08:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Aren?t distant rural areas the ideal place for cashless?
Not if they don't have mobile coverage. What claims to be the biggest
car boot sale in the County (and a couple of miles from Ian Huntley's former home, itself a mile from a newly reopened railway station), last time I went there was no coverage from *any* network.
Looks like there is now - https://www.o2.co.uk/satellite
Ok, that's one network, with one supported handset so far, and it costs œ3 per month extra.
In message <10oh2bi$2sgmf$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:32:02 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
A post office is unlikely to have enough cash for its own purposes as well >>as all the seperate banks that may use it as a hub. A single withdrawal of >>a few ground could wipe out their float for the day.
They are not as incompetent as you claim. Until quite recently they'd be >paying out tens of thousands of cash on "Pension day".
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 13:06:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs >>connectivity.
I'm sure it was a lot easier to set up than you claim. As always, life
is apparently much harder on Perry Street.
ObRail: what's apparently been happening quite a bit in the UK is
scammers putting *their* QR codes on top of the real ones at station
car parks, and grabbing the fee. The customer then also gets a ?100
penalty for not having paid the real operator.
Not just station car parks, of course.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 10:42:41 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10ojhrl$29fsj$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:08:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Aren?t distant rural areas the ideal place for cashless?
Not if they don't have mobile coverage. What claims to be the biggest
car boot sale in the County (and a couple of miles from Ian Huntley's
former home, itself a mile from a newly reopened railway station), last
time I went there was no coverage from *any* network.
Looks like there is now - https://www.o2.co.uk/satellite
Ok, that's one network, with one supported handset so far, and it costs œ3 per month extra. But I would be very surprised if that doesn't expand rapidly.
Mike
In message <vrvqqk94fr4660dennssosskpd7ff9u7db@4ax.com>, at 13:54:57 on
Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 13:06:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
I'm sure it was a lot easier to set up than you claim. As always, life
is apparently much harder on Perry Street.
I just tell people when others cause friction, rather than being supine.
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday
cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty
cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs connectivity.
On 08/03/2026 13:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
Do it before you leave home, then it is done.
Worth adding - you can do all of this offline as well, you don't have to be there face-to-face.ÿ When I pay for online shopping, the merchant just sticks the payment barcode up on the webpage and I scan it the same way I would if I was in a shop.
If I want someone I'm chatting with in WhatsApp
or over an email or whatever to send me money - I just send a message with
a deposit barcode.
On 08/03/2026 13:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
Do it before you leave home, then it is done.
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 08/03/2026 13:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
Do it before you leave home, then it is done.
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for network connectivity to use it.
On 08/03/2026 10:40, Clank wrote:
Worth adding - you can do all of this offline as well, you don't have
to be there face-to-face.ÿ When I pay for online shopping, the
merchant just sticks the payment barcode up on the webpage and I scan
it the same way I would if I was in a shop.
ÿYou access the webpage on one phone and scan it with another ?
If I want someone I'm chatting with in WhatsApp or over an email or
whatever to send me money - I just send a message with a deposit barcode.
ÿAnd they scan it on their second phone ?
On 08/03/2026 18:43, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 08/03/2026 10:40, Clank wrote:
Worth adding - you can do all of this offline as well, you don't have to >>> be there face-to-face.ÿ When I pay for online shopping, the merchant
just sticks the payment barcode up on the webpage and I scan it the same >>> way I would if I was in a shop.
ÿÿYou access the webpage on one phone and scan it with another ?
I meant when shopping from the computer.ÿ When shopping from the phone typically there is a direct integration between the webpage or app and the banking app, so it's entirely seamless (just press 'pay' and it switches to your banking app's promptpay payment process), but in the rare cases that's not the case you can just screenshot or save the barcode as an image, and then load it into the banking app that way.
If I want someone I'm chatting with in WhatsApp or over an email orÿÿAnd they scan it on their second phone ?
whatever to send me money - I just send a message with a deposit barcode. >>
I appreciate that you're trying to be clever, but no.ÿ The banking apps all have a button to open your images folder and scan a barcode from there instead of the camera.ÿ So just save the barcode as a file (or screenshot it) and scan it from there.
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday
cage etc).
On 08/03/2026 13:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
Do it before you leave home, then it is done.
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
ÿThen there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday
cage etc).
On 08/03/2026 18:41, Clank wrote:
On 08/03/2026 18:43, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 08/03/2026 10:40, Clank wrote:
Worth adding - you can do all of this offline as well, you don't
have to be there face-to-face.ÿ When I pay for online shopping, the
merchant just sticks the payment barcode up on the webpage and I
scan it the same way I would if I was in a shop.
ÿÿYou access the webpage on one phone and scan it with another ?
I meant when shopping from the computer.ÿ When shopping from the phone
typically there is a direct integration between the webpage or app and
the banking app, so it's entirely seamless (just press 'pay' and it
switches to your banking app's promptpay payment process), but in the
rare cases that's not the case you can just screenshot or save the
barcode as an image, and then load it into the banking app that way.
If I want someone I'm chatting with in WhatsApp or over an email or
whatever to send me money - I just send a message with a deposit
barcode.
ÿÿAnd they scan it on their second phone ?
I appreciate that you're trying to be clever, but no.ÿ The banking
apps all have a button to open your images folder and scan a barcode
from there instead of the camera.ÿ So just save the barcode as a file
(or screenshot it) and scan it from there.
ÿNo, I'm wondering why anyone would promote such a poor integration.
Can't they just send a link that works without scanning? And provide an
app that works on 'the computer'?
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 16:31:15 +0000, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 08/03/2026 13:06, Roland Perry wrote:... until it times out.
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
Do it before you leave home, then it is done.
You could go to a supermarket which doesn't require a coin to use their trolleys.......
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort
William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the
way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
ObRail: what's apparently been happening quite a bit in the UK is
scammers putting *their* QR codes on top of the real ones at station
car parks, and grabbing the fee. The customer then also gets a œ100
penalty for not having paid the real operator.
Most of the supermarkets I use don't allow hand-baskets to be taken
outside, so even for a small shop you really need a small-trolley.
On 08/03/2026 23:02, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 08/03/2026 18:41, Clank wrote:
On 08/03/2026 18:43, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 08/03/2026 10:40, Clank wrote:
Worth adding - you can do all of this offline as well, you don't have >>>>> to be there face-to-face.ÿ When I pay for online shopping, the
merchant just sticks the payment barcode up on the webpage and I scan >>>>> it the same way I would if I was in a shop.
ÿÿYou access the webpage on one phone and scan it with another ?
I meant when shopping from the computer.ÿ When shopping from the phone
typically there is a direct integration between the webpage or app and
the banking app, so it's entirely seamless (just press 'pay' and it
switches to your banking app's promptpay payment process), but in the
rare cases that's not the case you can just screenshot or save the
barcode as an image, and then load it into the banking app that way.
If I want someone I'm chatting with in WhatsApp or over an email or >>>>> whatever to send me money - I just send a message with a deposit barcode.
ÿÿAnd they scan it on their second phone ?
I appreciate that you're trying to be clever, but no.ÿ The banking apps >>> all have a button to open your images folder and scan a barcode from
there instead of the camera.ÿ So just save the barcode as a file (or
screenshot it) and scan it from there.
ÿÿNo, I'm wondering why anyone would promote such a poor integration.
Can't they just send a link that works without scanning? And provide an
app that works on 'the computer'?
Well, your call.ÿ I find it all works incredibly smoothly, much more convenient than credit cards.
But hey, what do I know.ÿ Billions of people across Asia are using these solutions every day, but clearly they never thought to ask an old white guy why it couldn't possibly work.ÿ I'll try to spread the word for you that it's really inconvenient so we can all go back to carrying around pockets
of spare change.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <vrvqqk94fr4660dennssosskpd7ff9u7db@4ax.com>, at 13:54:57 on
Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 13:06:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of. >>>>>>>Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
I'm sure it was a lot easier to set up than you claim. As always, life
is apparently much harder on Perry Street.
I just tell people when others cause friction, rather than being supine.
One person?s friction is another?s oil. Getting people to put their
trolleys back stops them being abandoned in the car park and possibly
rolling in the wind into your car?s paintwork. Sure, you could demand lots
of shop employed attendants, but that puts the cost of goods up. I?m sure
you wouldn?t like that given how assiduously you appear to chase price >reductions.
I very much doubt the state pension is paid out in cash anymore. It almost certainly is paid direct into a bank account. And its now we're talking about,
not 10 or 20 years ago when there were still plenty of bank branches
anyway.
On 08/03/2026 10:36, Roland Perry wrote:
Most of the supermarkets I use don't allow hand-baskets to be taken outside, so even for a small shop you really need a small-trolley.
I carry a shopping bag so why would I need to take the hand-basket
outside. I have a spare in the car if think I might need it and both
have plenty of plastic carrier bags (strong ones, not the single use supermarket ones).
The above brings up a thought of Roland with one of the kiddies' "small-trollies"!
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 08/03/2026 13:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
Do it before you leave home, then it is done.
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for network >connectivity to use it.
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for network >> connectivity to use it.
And before Roland delivers his usual sermon attacking the Church of Jobs, >it?s exactly the same with Android.
... until it times out.Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of. >>>>>>>Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
Do it before you leave home, then it is done.
Not if he puts it in the wallet, which he can do at home before he
leaves. Then he doesn't have to do it again. Except in Roland's case he
will then moan it is on one of his other phones.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 MarYou only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday
cage etc).
from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 10:45:34 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
In message <10oh2bi$2sgmf$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:32:02 on Sat, 7 Mar >>2026, boltar@caprica.universe remarked:
A post office is unlikely to have enough cash for its own purposes as well >>>as all the seperate banks that may use it as a hub. A single withdrawal of >>>a few ground could wipe out their float for the day.
They are not as incompetent as you claim. Until quite recently they'd
be paying out tens of thousands of cash on "Pension day".
I very much doubt the state pension is paid out in cash anymore. It almost >certainly is paid direct into a bank account.
And its now we're talking about, not 10 or 20 years ago when there were >still plenty of bank branches anyway.
On 08/03/2026 11:39, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
?Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed,
Faraday cage etc).
So, use the card which has a QR code on it.
On 08/03/2026 14:29, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
I very much doubt the state pension is paid out in cash anymore. It >>almost certainly is paid direct into a bank account. And its now
we're talking about, not 10 or 20 years ago when there were still
plenty of bank branches anyway.
But many will want to draw cash when the pension appears in their account.
We used to have someone at work who withdraw an advance whenever we
were going away working away from home. He would then want to stop at
a bank and pay the advance into an account that paid interest.
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort
William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the
way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services?
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
ScotRail trains in the Highlands equipped with satellite communications >platform Starlink
https://futurescot.com/scotrail-trains-in-the-highlands-equipped-with-sa >tellite-communications-technology/
In message <10okacl$2hrv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:07:33 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 08/03/2026 13:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of. >>>>>>Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
Do it before you leave home, then it is done.
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for network >connectivity to use it.
I don't use Apple products, which is ironic because my GF invented much
of the technology which powers them [yes, someone else might have done
the same thing later, but first-mover advantage is much prized in modern industrial economies].
But one of my old analogies is "The CEO of the Raleigh factory doesn't *have* to cycle to work".
In message <10okacl$2hrv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:07:33 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
On 08/03/2026 13:06, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of. >>>>>>>Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in
the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs
connectivity.
Do it before you leave home, then it is done.
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for network >> connectivity to use it.
I don't use Apple products, which is ironic because my GF invented much
of the technology which powers them [yes, someone else might have done
the same thing later, but first-mover advantage is much prized in modern industrial economies].
In message <26irR.158$Vb1.19@fx11.ams1>, at 17:12:30 on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for network >>> connectivity to use it.
And before Roland delivers his usual sermon attacking the Church of Jobs,
it?s exactly the same with Android.
I don't have Apple Wallet on my Android phone, and whatever Google
Wallet is called this week doesn't seem to have my Tesco Loyalty card
in it.
In message <10om3kk$35d9d$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:24:35 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 14:29, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
I very much doubt the state pension is paid out in cash anymore. It
almost certainly is paid direct into a bank account. And its now
we're talking about, not 10 or 20 years ago when there were still
plenty of bank branches anyway.
But many will want to draw cash when the pension appears in their account. >>
We used to have someone at work who withdraw an advance whenever we
were going away working away from home. He would then want to stop at
a bank and pay the advance into an account that paid interest.
I don't know if the situation has changed, but there used to be a rule
that employers MUST have a way to pay an employee's wages in cash, in
case they didn't have a bank account.
Not because they were goatherders or idle, but perhaps as an
undischarged bankrupt [or married to one whose business had failed]
they weren't allowed to have one.
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 MarStarlink receivers already steer, but using electronically steerable phased arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort
William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in
excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the
way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use
to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a
station canopy, I expect.
I don't know if the situation has changed, but there used to be a rule
that employers MUST have a way to pay an employee's wages in cash, in
case they didn't have a bank account.
Not because they were goatherders or idle, but perhaps as an
undischarged bankrupt [or married to one whose business had failed]
they weren't allowed to have one.
Bankrupt folk can have a basic bank account.
I don't use Apple products, which is ironic because my GF invented muchI?m reliably informed that Android also has a similar wallet application. >It?s fairly obvious because air tickets, rail tickets, Tesco Clubcards etc >all offer the choice of save to Apple or Google wallet.
of the technology which powers them [yes, someone else might have done
the same thing later, but first-mover advantage is much prized in modern
industrial economies].
I don't use Apple products, which is ironic because my GF invented muchI?m reliably informed that Android also has a similar wallet application. >It?s fairly obvious because air tickets, rail tickets, Tesco Clubcards etc >all offer the choice of save to Apple or Google wallet.
of the technology which powers them [yes, someone else might have done
the same thing later, but first-mover advantage is much prized in modern
industrial economies].
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort
William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>>> excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the >>>> way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services? >>
to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a
station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically steerable phased >arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile >use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use.
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also
WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they will try
for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations will have >service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency Services Network >coverage obligations.
In message <10ohfr3$1kkqr$3@dont-email.me>, at 15:22:11 on Sat, 7 Mar
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
You don?t need a œ1 coin for the trolley. Any round disc of the
appropriateÿ size will work.
ÿSure, but it's still an example of the supermarkets externalising
theÿ cost of policing to their customers.
As it doesn't actually cost you anything, does it matter?
ÿIt does cost me - the effort of remembering to have a suitable token
with me, whichever set of car keys, or whichever car, or whichever
jacket, I take that day.
Not that I need it any more but I had one on my key rings, picked them
up at some trade fare or other.
I've got two such tokens, but five sets of car keys. Or in the unlikely event I'm on foot, another four sets of house keys (devoid of car keys).
In message <10om500$3636q$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:47:44 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
I don't use Apple products, which is ironic because my GF invented muchI?m reliably informed that Android also has a similar wallet application.
of the technology which powers them [yes, someone else might have done
the same thing later, but first-mover advantage is much prized in modern >>> industrial economies].
It?s fairly obvious because air tickets, rail tickets, Tesco Clubcards etc >> all offer the choice of save to Apple or Google wallet.
Can I add my Oyster rail ticket to either wallet. And if not, why not.
In message <26irR.158$Vb1.19@fx11.ams1>, at 17:12:30 on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for network >>> connectivity to use it.
And before Roland delivers his usual sermon attacking the Church of Jobs,
it?s exactly the same with Android.
I don't have Apple Wallet on my Android phone, and whatever Google
Wallet is called this week doesn't seem to have my Tesco Loyalty card
in it.
On 08/03/2026 14:29, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
I very much doubt the state pension is paid out in cash anymore. It
almost
certainly is paid direct into a bank account. And its now we're
talking about,
not 10 or 20 years ago when there were still plenty of bank branches
anyway.
But many will want to draw cash when the pension appears in their account.
We used to have someone at work who withdraw an advance whenever we were going away working away from home.ÿ He would then want to stop at a bank
and pay the advance into an account that paid interest.
In message <26irR.158$Vb1.19@fx11.ams1>, at 17:12:30 on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for
network
connectivity to use it.
And before Roland delivers his usual sermon attacking the Church of Jobs,
it?s exactly the same with Android.
I don't have Apple Wallet on my Android phone, and whatever Google
Wallet is called this week doesn't seem to have my Tesco Loyalty card
in it.
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort
William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>>>> excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the >>>>> way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services? >>>
to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a
station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically steerable phased >> arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile >> use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use.
But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have
one, so have direct experience).
And if a train arrived from Norwich at
Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the phased array.
On 09/03/2026 09:27, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <26irR.158$Vb1.19@fx11.ams1>, at 17:12:30 on Sun, 8 Mar 2026,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for
network
connectivity to use it.
And before Roland delivers his usual sermon attacking the Church of Jobs, >>> it?s exactly the same with Android.
I don't have Apple Wallet on my Android phone, and whatever Google
Wallet is called this week doesn't seem to have my Tesco Loyalty card
in it.
You do actually have to pro-actively add the card to the wallet.
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort
William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>>>> excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the >>>>> way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services? >>>
to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a
station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically steerable phased >> arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile >> use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use.
But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have
one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from Norwich at
Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the phased array.
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also
WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they will try
for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations will have >> service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency Services Network >> coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered yet (it's
one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been kicked into
the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went from Mallaig
to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the
way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a
drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only -
and I noticed something yesterday afternoon that made me think of this thread.
I was at my local mall (Central Ramindra) & noticed they have quite
large "the food court is now completely cashless" signs up; the thing I hand't noticed before is that they now have new machines that are
basically reverse-ATMs, for the goatherders - you put cash in, and it
spits out a prepaid card you can use to pay for your food.
I didn't actually see anyone using the machines (I honestly can't see
what the demand is - anyone who lives here already has cashless
payments, so I guess tourists - but Bang Khen is hardly a tourist
hotspot), but interesting to see the accomodations that can be made for goatherders in the brave new world.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <26irR.158$Vb1.19@fx11.ams1>, at 17:12:30 on Sun, 8 Mar 2026,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for network
connectivity to use it.
And before Roland delivers his usual sermon attacking the Church of Jobs, >>> it?s exactly the same with Android.
I don't have Apple Wallet on my Android phone, and whatever Google
Wallet is called this week doesn't seem to have my Tesco Loyalty card
in it.
You do need to add your Tesco Clubcard to your Google Wallet. It?s a bit
like in the analogue world when you take cash out of the machine. You have
to put that cash in your wallet. Doesn?t happen by magic.
In message <10om55o$36562$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:50:48 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <26irR.158$Vb1.19@fx11.ams1>, at 17:12:30 on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, >> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need for network
connectivity to use it.
And before Roland delivers his usual sermon attacking the Church of Jobs, >>> it?s exactly the same with Android.
I don't have Apple Wallet on my Android phone, and whatever Google
Wallet is called this week doesn't seem to have my Tesco Loyalty card
in it.
You do need to add your Tesco Clubcard to your Google Wallet. It?s a bit >like in the analogue world when you take cash out of the machine. You have >to put that cash in your wallet. Doesn?t happen by magic.
OK, so I've added the loyalty card to my Google Wallet, but AI claims
that Tesco petrol pumps are unlikely to accept that. Will try it out tomorrow and report back.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort
William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>>>>> excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the >>>>>> way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use >>>> to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a
station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically steerable phased >>> arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile >>> use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use.
But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have
one, so have direct experience).
North might be best from your location, but isn?t in others.
And if a train arrived from Norwich at Ely, and then reversed off to >>Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the phased array.
So, by your undoubtedly perfect logic, Starlink couldn?t work on pitching >ships and fast moving planes (let alone wartime drones and rapidly >manoeuvring cruise missiles).
Except that it does.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort
William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>>>>> excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the >>>>>> way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use >>>> to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a
station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically steerable phased >>> arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile >>> use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use.
But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have
one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from Norwich at
Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the
phased array.
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also
WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they will try >>> for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations will have >>> service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency Services Network >>> coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered yet (it's
one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been kicked into
the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went from Mallaig
to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
You have a domestic antenna intended for being mounted statically.
How do you think Starlink receivers work on passenger planes? Plus
minus 45 degrees off boresight electronic beam steering with a phased
array is trivial. After that side lobes become an issue and the antenna >design becomes more complicated. So you have the el cheapo design for
static use.
https://starlink.com/gb/business/mobility
ESN certainly isn?t kicked into the long grass. Yes, it is late and over >budget, but it continues.
A lot will have changed in two years.
As an example, there is a long running access dispute at Altnabreac
station. The upshot is that EE have resorted to using a helicopter to fit a >base station. They don?t go to these lengths just to provide service to Joe >Public in the middle of nowhere.
In message <10omadr$389sv$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:20:27 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>> 2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>>>>>> excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the >>>>>>> way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use >>>>> to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a
station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile >>>> use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use.
But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have
one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from Norwich at
Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the
phased array.
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also >>>> WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they will try >>>> for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations will have >>>> service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency Services Network >>>> coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered yet (it's
one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been kicked into >>> the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went from Mallaig
to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
You have a domestic antenna intended for being mounted statically.
No it's a "roaming" one intended for people who go camping, boating etc.
But it's still just a slab of plastic.
In message <4RxrR.27$X61.14@fx16.ams1>, at 11:06:40 on Mon, 9 Mar 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>> 2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>>>>>> excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the >>>>>>> way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use >>>>> to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a
station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile >>>> use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use.
But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have
one, so have direct experience).
North might be best from your location, but isn?t in others.
Others within the UK?
And if a train arrived from Norwich at Ely, and then reversed off to
Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the phased array.
So, by your undoubtedly perfect logic, Starlink couldn?t work on pitching
ships and fast moving planes (let alone wartime drones and rapidly
manoeuvring cruise missiles).
Except that it does.
What mechanism do they use to steer the physical array, if for example
the execute a u-turn.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <4RxrR.27$X61.14@fx16.ams1>, at 11:06:40 on Mon, 9 Mar 2026,
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>> 2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>>>>>>> excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the >>>>>>>> way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use >>>>>> to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a >>>>>> station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile
use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use.
But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have >>>> one, so have direct experience).
North might be best from your location, but isn?t in others.
Others within the UK?
Yes, I think so. It?s best to aim it in the direction of the open sea, as there?s less congestion or obstruction there.
And if a train arrived from Norwich at Ely, and then reversed off to >>>> Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the phased array.
So, by your undoubtedly perfect logic, Starlink couldn?t work on pitching >>> ships and fast moving planes (let alone wartime drones and rapidly
manoeuvring cruise missiles).
Except that it does.
What mechanism do they use to steer the physical array, if for example
the execute a u-turn.
I don?t think they do any physical steering of the array. And planes do
much more dramatic things, much more quickly, than flat u-turns. They bank, climb, descend and travel in any direction, at altitudes from sea level to FL400.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omadr$389sv$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:20:27 on Mon, 9 MarIt?s still static. It?s not intended for in motion use at speed.
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>> 2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in >>>>>>>> excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the >>>>>>>> way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency >>>>>>>services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use >>>>>> to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a >>>>>> station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically >>>>>steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile
use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use.
But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have >>>> one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from Norwich at >>>> Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the >>>> phased array.
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also >>>>> WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they will try >>>>> for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations will have
service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency Services Network
coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered yet (it's >>>> one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been kicked into >>>> the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went from Mallaig >>>> to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
You have a domestic antenna intended for being mounted statically.
No it's a "roaming" one intended for people who go camping, boating etc.
But it's still just a slab of plastic.
https://starlink.com/business
Scroll around that link and look at their various use cases.
In message <10omfhc$3avv7$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:47:40 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omadr$389sv$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:20:27 on Mon, 9 MarIt?s still static. It?s not intended for in motion use at speed.
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have >>>>> one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from Norwich at >>>>> Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the >>>>> phased array.
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>>> 2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for periods in
excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for most of the
way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency >>>>>>>> services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use >>>>>>> to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a >>>>>>> station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically
steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed for mobile
use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use. >>>>>
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also >>>>>> WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they will try
for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations will have
service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency Services Network
coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered yet (it's >>>>> one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been kicked into >>>>> the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went from Mallaig >>>>> to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
You have a domestic antenna intended for being mounted statically.
No it's a "roaming" one intended for people who go camping, boating etc. >>> But it's still just a slab of plastic.
https://starlink.com/business
Scroll around that link and look at their various use cases.
That link re-directs to a 3rd party with possibly the least-navigable
site I've ever encountered.
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37 on
Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 MarYou only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
ÿThen there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday
cage etc).
from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol that contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the pumps.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omfhc$3avv7$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:47:40 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omadr$389sv$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:20:27 on Mon, 9 MarIt?s still static. It?s not intended for in motion use at speed.
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have >>>>>> one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from Norwich at >>>>>> Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the >>>>>> phased array.
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>>>> 2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for >>>>>>>>>>periods in
excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for >>>>>>>>>>most of the
way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency >>>>>>>>> services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use >>>>>>>> to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink.
A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a >>>>>>>> station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically
steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed >>>>>>>for mobile
use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use. >>>>>>
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also >>>>>>> WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they >>>>>>>will try
for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations >>>>>>>will have
service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency >>>>>>>Services Network
coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered yet (it's >>>>>> one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been kicked into >>>>>> the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went from Mallaig >>>>>> to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
You have a domestic antenna intended for being mounted statically.
No it's a "roaming" one intended for people who go camping, boating etc. >>>> But it's still just a slab of plastic.
https://starlink.com/business
Scroll around that link and look at their various use cases.
That link re-directs to a 3rd party with possibly the least-navigable
site I've ever encountered.
Stays with starlink.com for me and is easily navigable.
In message <10omj7e$3c9nh$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:50:38 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omfhc$3avv7$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:47:40 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omadr$389sv$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:20:27 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:It?s still static. It?s not intended for in motion use at speed.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have >>>>>>> one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from Norwich at >>>>>>> Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the >>>>>>> phased array.
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>>>>> 2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for >>>>>>>>>>> periods in
excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for >>>>>>>>>>> most of the
way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency >>>>>>>>>> services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use
to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink. >>>>>>>>>A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a >>>>>>>>> station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically
steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed >>>>>>>> for mobile
use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use. >>>>>>>
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also >>>>>>>> WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they >>>>>>>> will try
for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations >>>>>>>> will have
service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency
Services Network
coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered yet (it's >>>>>>> one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been kicked into
the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went from Mallaig >>>>>>> to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
You have a domestic antenna intended for being mounted statically.
No it's a "roaming" one intended for people who go camping, boating etc. >>>>> But it's still just a slab of plastic.
https://starlink.com/business
Scroll around that link and look at their various use cases.
That link re-directs to a 3rd party with possibly the least-navigable
site I've ever encountered.
Stays with starlink.com for me and is easily navigable.
Perhaps you could post a deep-link to the bit about Starlink on trains.
On 09/03/2026 09:33, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37
on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> >>remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 MarYou only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
?Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>> cage etc).
from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol
that contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the
pumps.
Is that still the case? I do not know as there were no such pumps in >Shetland although maybe there are now? I use lecky so cannot comment.
However, historically mobile phones were banned in many places,
especially hospitals, as they interfered with other equipment. That
seemed to die out when mobiles went from analogue to digital phones. >Certainly mobiles in hospital now are ubiquitous!
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omj7e$3c9nh$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:50:38 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omfhc$3avv7$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:47:40 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omadr$389sv$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:20:27 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:It?s still static. It?s not intended for in motion use at speed.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:No it's a "roaming" one intended for people who go camping, boating etc. >>>>>> But it's still just a slab of plastic.
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have >>>>>>>> one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from Norwich at
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for >>>>>>>>>>>> periods in
excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for >>>>>>>>>>>> most of the
way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency >>>>>>>>>>> services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, >>>>>>>>>>didn't use
to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink. >>>>>>>>>>A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a >>>>>>>>>> station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically
steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed >>>>>>>>> for mobile
use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use. >>>>>>>>
Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the >>>>>>>> phased array.
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also
WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they >>>>>>>>> will try
for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations >>>>>>>>> will have
service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency
Services Network
coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered yet (it's
one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been >>>>>>>>kicked into
the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went from Mallaig >>>>>>>> to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
You have a domestic antenna intended for being mounted statically. >>>>>>
https://starlink.com/business
Scroll around that link and look at their various use cases.
That link re-directs to a 3rd party with possibly the least-navigable
site I've ever encountered.
Stays with starlink.com for me and is easily navigable.
Perhaps you could post a deep-link to the bit about Starlink on trains.
There are no deep links. Just a collection of subject titles and photos.
If you go here
https://satellitemap.space/vis/constellation/starlink
and go to more (at the top right) > settings
You can set a location.
Once you?ve done that you will see there is no ideal look direction, >especially if you view over a period of time.
In message <10oml7b$3d10j$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:24:43 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omj7e$3c9nh$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:50:38 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omfhc$3avv7$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:47:40 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omadr$389sv$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:20:27 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:It?s still static. It?s not intended for in motion use at speed.
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:No it's a "roaming" one intended for people who go camping, boating etc.
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly "north" (I have
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>>>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for >>>>>>>>>>>>> periods in
excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for >>>>>>>>>>>>> most of the
way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency >>>>>>>>>>>> services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, >>>>>>>>>>> didn't use
to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink. >>>>>>>>>>>A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a >>>>>>>>>>> station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically >>>>>>>>>> steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed >>>>>>>>>> for mobile
use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use. >>>>>>>>>
one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from Norwich at
Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to re-point the
phased array.
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and possibly also
WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they >>>>>>>>>> will try
for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations >>>>>>>>>> will have
service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency
Services Network
coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered yet (it's
one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been >>>>>>>>> kicked into
the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went from Mallaig
to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
You have a domestic antenna intended for being mounted statically. >>>>>>>
But it's still just a slab of plastic.
https://starlink.com/business
Scroll around that link and look at their various use cases.
That link re-directs to a 3rd party with possibly the least-navigable >>>>> site I've ever encountered.
Stays with starlink.com for me and is easily navigable.
Perhaps you could post a deep-link to the bit about Starlink on trains.
There are no deep links. Just a collection of subject titles and photos.
If you go here
https://satellitemap.space/vis/constellation/starlink
and go to more (at the top right) > settings
You can set a location.
Once you?ve done that you will see there is no ideal look direction,
especially if you view over a period of time.
View what: the sky, a downloaded iPlayer video, the website, or
something else?
On 09/03/2026 09:33, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37
on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 MarYou only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke
2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
ÿThen there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>> cage etc).
from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol
that contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the pumps.
Is that still the case? I do not know as there were no such pumps in Shetland although maybe there are now? I use lecky so cannot comment.
However, historically mobile phones were banned in many places,
especially hospitals, as they interfered with other equipment. That
seemed to die out when mobiles went from analogue to digital phones. Certainly mobiles in hospital now are ubiquitous!
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10oml7b$3d10j$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:24:43 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omj7e$3c9nh$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:50:38 on Mon, 9 MarThere are no deep links. Just a collection of subject titles and photos. >>>
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omfhc$3avv7$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:47:40 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10omadr$389sv$1@dont-email.me>, at 11:20:27 on Mon, 9 Mar >>>>>>>> 2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:It?s still static. It?s not intended for in motion use at speed. >>>>>>>
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:No it's a "roaming" one intended for people who go camping, >>>>>>>>boating etc.
In message <10om5os$36gg1$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:01:00 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:But the phased array still needs to be pointed roughly >>>>>>>>>>"north" (I have
In message <10om2hi$351g5$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:05:53 on >>>>>>>>>>>>
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
On 08/03/2026 13:12, Roland Perry wrote:
Similar straw poll, taking a Scotrail train from Mallaig to Fort >>>>>>>>>>>>>> William, there was no wifi ever, and no mobile coverage for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> periods in
excess of half an hour en-route. It wasn't much better for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of the
way from Fort William to Glasgow the next day.
What about whichever mobile network is shared with the emergency >>>>>>>>>>>>> services?
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't use
to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
The Kyle line and Far North Line seem to be using Starlink. >>>>>>>>>>>>A steerable Starlink seems quite exciting. But won't work inside a >>>>>>>>>>>> station canopy, I expect.
Starlink receivers already steer, but using electronically >>>>>>>>>>> steerable phased
arrays. No need for mechanical movement. The receivers designed >>>>>>>>>>> for mobile
use can move their beams more than the ones intended for fixed use. >>>>>>>>>>
one, so have direct experience). And if a train arrived from >>>>>>>>>>Norwich at
Ely, and then reversed off to Peterborough, you'd need to >>>>>>>>>>re-point the
phased array.
The train Starlink systems are hybrid with cellular (and >>>>>>>>>>>possibly also
WiFi). So in a station or other satellite obscured location they >>>>>>>>>>> will try
for a terrestrial connection. I would imagine that most stations >>>>>>>>>>> will have
service from at least EE, simply because of the Emergency >>>>>>>>>>> Services Network
coverage obligations.
I don't think that the coverage obligation has been triggered >>>>>>>>>>yet (it's
one of a number of big Government IT projects which has been >>>>>>>>>> kicked into
the long grass). It definitely wasn't working when I went >>>>>>>>>>from Mallaig
to Glasgow via Fort William two years ago.
You have a domestic antenna intended for being mounted statically. >>>>>>>>
But it's still just a slab of plastic.
https://starlink.com/business
Scroll around that link and look at their various use cases.
That link re-directs to a 3rd party with possibly the least-navigable >>>>>> site I've ever encountered.
Stays with starlink.com for me and is easily navigable.
Perhaps you could post a deep-link to the bit about Starlink on trains. >>>
If you go here
https://satellitemap.space/vis/constellation/starlink
and go to more (at the top right) > settings
You can set a location.
Once you?ve done that you will see there is no ideal look direction,
especially if you view over a period of time.
View what: the sky, a downloaded iPlayer video, the website, or
something else?
View the website I suggested.
On 09/03/2026 14:09, ColinR wrote:
On 09/03/2026 09:33, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37
on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:You only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke
ÿThen there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>> cage etc).
from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol
that contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the
pumps.
Is that still the case? I do not know as there were no such pumps in
Shetland although maybe there are now? I use lecky so cannot comment.
However, historically mobile phones were banned in many places,
especially hospitals, as they interfered with other equipment. That
seemed to die out when mobiles went from analogue to digital phones.
Certainly mobiles in hospital now are ubiquitous!
I've seen surgeons using mobile phones during an operation.
On 09/03/2026 15:09, Graeme Wall wrote:
On 09/03/2026 14:09, ColinR wrote:
On 09/03/2026 09:33, Roland Perry wrote:
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37
on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:You only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke
ÿThen there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of. >>>>>>>Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed,
Faraday
cage etc).
from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol
that contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the
pumps.
Is that still the case? I do not know as there were no such pumps in
Shetland although maybe there are now? I use lecky so cannot comment.
However, historically mobile phones were banned in many places,
especially hospitals, as they interfered with other equipment. That
seemed to die out when mobiles went from analogue to digital phones.
Certainly mobiles in hospital now are ubiquitous!
I've seen surgeons using mobile phones during an operation.
Anesthetic not worked?ÿ ;-)
That'll be EE. Which despite the gut-wrenching commercials, didn't use
to be known as "Nothing, Anywhere" for nothing.
Am 08.03.2026 um 04:49 schrieb Clank:
On 07/03/2026 13:56, Bevan Price wrote:
On 07/03/2026 08:46, Roland Perry wrote:
I didn't realise you were so ignorant about modern banking methods.
You put the card in an ATM, and out comes cash. At a Post Office the
way it works is you put the card in the reader your side of the
bullet-proof glass, and then the assistant hands you the cash from a
drawer conveniently located just beside them.
Not at our local post office. Just a conventional money machine....
Asia is somewhat ahead of the cashless curve than Europe - outside the
tourist areas in Bangkok, even street vendors are QR-code payment only
- and I noticed something yesterday afternoon that made me think of
this thread.
I was at my local mall (Central Ramindra) & noticed they have quite
large "the food court is now completely cashless" signs up; the thing
I hand't noticed before is that they now have new machines that are
basically reverse-ATMs, for the goatherders - you put cash in, and it
spits out a prepaid card you can use to pay for your food.
I didn't actually see anyone using the machines (I honestly can't see
what the demand is - anyone who lives here already has cashless
payments, so I guess tourists - but Bang Khen is hardly a tourist
hotspot), but interesting to see the accomodations that can be made
for goatherders in the brave new world.
Switzerland just introduced a constituional amendment guaranteeing the
right to pay cash.ÿ According to our newspaper, they are following on
this route behind Hungary, Slovakia and Slovenia.
Switzerland just introduced a constituional amendment guaranteeing
the right to pay cash.? According to our newspaper, they are
following on this route behind Hungary, Slovakia and Slovenia.
Well that's a rogue's gallery if ever there was one.
I wonder what could possibly align the interests of all those
countries? "Making it easier for Russians to launder money", perhaps...
In message <10ok29b$2eqv1$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:49:15 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <vrvqqk94fr4660dennssosskpd7ff9u7db@4ax.com>, at 13:54:57 on
Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 13:06:17 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote: >>>>
In message <CEdrR.184$_k2e.85@fx08.ams1>, at 12:08:02 on Sun, 8 Mar
2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of. >>>>>>>>Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>>>> cage etc).
You don?t need mobile coverage if you put it (and all your other loyalty >>>>>> cards) in the Wallet app.
In any case, there?s almost certainly free WiFi.
Last time I tried that, there wasn't. And to get the loyalty card in >>>>> the app to activate for today's shop required signing in, which needs >>>>> connectivity.
I'm sure it was a lot easier to set up than you claim. As always, life >>>> is apparently much harder on Perry Street.
I just tell people when others cause friction, rather than being supine.
One person?s friction is another?s oil. Getting people to put their >>trolleys back stops them being abandoned in the car park and possibly >>rolling in the wind into your car?s paintwork. Sure, you could demand lots >>of shop employed attendants, but that puts the cost of goods up. I?m sure >>you wouldn?t like that given how assiduously you appear to chase price >>reductions.
One of the reasons trolleys get abandoned in the car park is because
there's been a trend to reduce the number of collection-points.
But the coin-operated trolleys isn't about them being abandoned on-site,
but being taken off-site and then abandoned on the streets, thrown in
the canal, or whatever.
Tesco used to have a scheme where the wheels locked when they went over
a grid at the car-park exits, but it now doesn't seem to be operational.
I've got a Wilco trolley, because I was the second-to-last person to >check-out when the store permanently closed**, and by the time I had >unloaded it in the car park, and taken it back to the shop (where the >collection point was just inside the doors) it was all shuttered up.
Rather than fly-tip it in the shopping precinct, I'm keeping it safe for >them.
** Hours before the advertised time, I think they just got bored and
went home early.
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37 on
Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:You only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>cage etc).
from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol that >contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the pumps.
In message <10oo6l9$3v66n$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:28:26 on Tue, 10 Mar
2026, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
Switzerland just introduced a constituional amendment guaranteeing
the right to pay cash.? According to our newspaper, they are
following on this route behind Hungary, Slovakia and Slovenia.
Well that's a rogue's gallery if ever there was one.
I wonder what could possibly align the interests of all those
countries? "Making it easier for Russians to launder money", perhaps...
Makes me want to think about the much-misunderstood concept of "Legal >Tender", which is in fact the currency which courts are obliged to
accept, and nothing to do with what anyone else is obliged to accept.
If I had to pay a ?500 fine, is there anything yet in place which says
they are obliged to accept a credit card payment - rather than a bucket
full of ?1 coins? [4.374 kg, in case you were wondering]
In message <10om55o$36562$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:50:48 on Mon, 9 Mar
2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <26irR.158$Vb1.19@fx11.ams1>, at 17:12:30 on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, >>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need
for network
connectivity to use it.
And before Roland delivers his usual sermon attacking the Church of Jobs, >>>> it?s exactly the same with Android.
I don't have Apple Wallet on my Android phone, and whatever Google
Wallet is called this week doesn't seem to have my Tesco Loyalty card
in it.
You do need to add your Tesco Clubcard to your Google Wallet. It?s a bit >>like in the analogue world when you take cash out of the machine. You have >>to put that cash in your wallet. Doesn?t happen by magic.
OK, so I've added the loyalty card to my Google Wallet, but AI claims
that Tesco petrol pumps are unlikely to accept that. Will try it out >tomorrow and report back.
On Mon, 9 Mar 2026 09:33:24 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37 on >>Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: >>>On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>With modern 'phones it makes little difference to the supposed hazard
wrote:
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:You only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>cage etc).
from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol that >>contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the pumps.
as it is still communicating while it is in your pocket.
It is possibly more of a hangover from the days when 'phobes were
attributed with the same potential hazard as a walkie-talkie which also >included the risk of a spark if they were dropped and parted company
with the battery hence some radios I have used in the past having locks
on the battery and the same crown mark as some mining electrical equipment.
In message <p8uBbqx+qrrpFABk@perry.uk>, at 12:19:10 on Mon, 9 Mar 2026, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:
In message <10om55o$36562$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:50:48 on Mon, 9 Mar >2026, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
In message <26irR.158$Vb1.19@fx11.ams1>, at 17:12:30 on Sun, 8 Mar 2026, >>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
I have a Tesco club card in my Apple Wallet. Absolutely no need >>>>>for network
connectivity to use it.
And before Roland delivers his usual sermon attacking the Church of Jobs,
it?s exactly the same with Android.
I don't have Apple Wallet on my Android phone, and whatever Google
Wallet is called this week doesn't seem to have my Tesco Loyalty card
in it.
You do need to add your Tesco Clubcard to your Google Wallet. It?s a bit >>like in the analogue world when you take cash out of the machine. You have >>to put that cash in your wallet. Doesn?t happen by magic.
OK, so I've added the loyalty card to my Google Wallet, but AI claims
that Tesco petrol pumps are unlikely to accept that. Will try it out >tomorrow and report back.
What happened was this:
I went to Tesco to buy some diesel, but they were sold-out
I went to Tesco to buy some diesel, but they were sold-out
Problem of middle destillate shipping blocked at the Strait of Hormuz?
In message <o1u0rkdjc9dil75ma9p94blq1h3433t3sl@4ax.com>, at 20:07:55 on
Tue, 10 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
On Mon, 9 Mar 2026 09:33:24 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37 on >>>Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: >>>>On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>wrote:With modern 'phones it makes little difference to the supposed hazard
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>>2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:You only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke >>>>from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of.
Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>>cage etc).
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol that >>>contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the pumps.
as it is still communicating while it is in your pocket.
The "supposed hazard" is the battery detachment you mention later. Not
the phone transmitting.
It is possibly more of a hangover from the days when 'phobes were >>attributed with the same potential hazard as a walkie-talkie which also >>included the risk of a spark if they were dropped and parted company
with the battery hence some radios I have used in the past having locks
on the battery and the same crown mark as some mining electrical equipment.
On Wed, 11 Mar 2026 08:04:34 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <o1u0rkdjc9dil75ma9p94blq1h3433t3sl@4ax.com>, at 20:07:55 on >>Tue, 10 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>You need to broadcast that to the many who still think it is the >transmissions will do it.
remarked:
On Mon, 9 Mar 2026 09:33:24 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37 on >>>>Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: >>>>>On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>wrote:With modern 'phones it makes little difference to the supposed hazard
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>>>2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:You only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke >>>>>from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of. >>>>>>>Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>>>cage etc).
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol that >>>>contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the pumps.
as it is still communicating while it is in your pocket.
The "supposed hazard" is the battery detachment you mention later. Not
the phone transmitting.
OTOH I keep getting told not to use my radio near a suspect device
while no mention is made of not using a 'phone near it.
It is possibly more of a hangover from the days when 'phobes were >>>attributed with the same potential hazard as a walkie-talkie which also >>>included the risk of a spark if they were dropped and parted company
with the battery hence some radios I have used in the past having locks >>>on the battery and the same crown mark as some mining electrical equipment.
Not unlike bans on people using phones while driving, but various hand-
held radios apparently OK.
On 13/03/2026 07:44, Roland Perry wrote:
Not unlike bans on people using phones while driving, but various
hand- held radios apparently OK.
Many do not think of mobile phones as radio transmitters!
A colleague was supplied with some equipment to do some measurements at
one of our sites.ÿ Whilst he had it, he measured his mobile phone and
was shocked at the RF levels he found!
On 13/03/2026 07:44, Roland Perry wrote:
Not unlike bans on people using phones while driving, but various hand-
held radios apparently OK.
Many do not think of mobile phones as radio transmitters!
A colleague was supplied with some equipment to do some measurements at
one of our sites. Whilst he had it, he measured his mobile phone and
was shocked at the RF levels he found!
Did he mean it wasn't meeting its specification?
One big factor is that mobile phones are normally used held against the
side of the head.
In message <10p12ed$35tf4$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:11:38 on Fri, 13 Mar
2026, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
One big factor is that mobile phones are normally used held against the >>side of the head.
Once upon a time they were. Now they are just as likely to be held in an >outstretched hand, on speakerphone.
Meanwhile, I have a "wearable" bracelet which claims it will link with
any and every card I choose. But it obviously won't let me buy fuel at
a Tesco pump, because that requires a physical card. And I'd be amazed
if there was a way to load the Tesco Loyalty card onto it, not least
because despite their advertising bravado, you can only link with >Mastercards, not any other brand of credit/debit card.
Because I like experimenting with things, I ordered a wearable 'ring'
at the end of last year, and it's still not been delivered, with all
sorts of excuses about supply chain issues, most recently Chinese New
Year, and I wonder what their next gambit will be. The various
Trustpilot type sites apparently reassure us they aren't out and out >scammers, but it's getting on for three months now.
In message <dma6rk5baif7co1mrstb1f9kohhovck79q@4ax.com>, at 21:09:22 on
Thu, 12 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2026 08:04:34 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:
In message <o1u0rkdjc9dil75ma9p94blq1h3433t3sl@4ax.com>, at 20:07:55 on >>>Tue, 10 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>You need to broadcast that to the many who still think it is the >>transmissions will do it.
remarked:
On Mon, 9 Mar 2026 09:33:24 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>wrote:
In message <narrqkpufui1g6c7leqsm50i70oa89thon@4ax.com>, at 21:49:37 on >>>>>Sun, 8 Mar 2026, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> remarked: >>>>>>On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:39:36 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> >>>>>>wrote:With modern 'phones it makes little difference to the supposed hazard >>>>as it is still communicating while it is in your pocket.
In message <10ojm89$2anbp$2@dont-email.me>, at 11:23:53 on Sun, 8 Mar >>>>>>>2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:You only need a good image of the QR code which you can e.g. invoke >>>>>>from the home screen quicker than mucking about with the app.
Then there's the Tesco Loyalty tag, which I've only got one of. >>>>>>>>Use the app, even SWMBO can cope with that.
Sadly, there's no mobile coverage inside my Tesco (metal shed, Faraday >>>>>>>cage etc).
Thanks, I'll try that. But of course when buying pay-at-pump petrol that >>>>>contravenes notices about using phones in the vicinity of the pumps.
The "supposed hazard" is the battery detachment you mention later. Not >>>the phone transmitting.
That's not necessarily my job.
OTOH I keep getting told not to use my radio near a suspect device
while no mention is made of not using a 'phone near it.
Not unlike bans on people using phones while driving, but various
hand-held radios apparently OK.
It is possibly more of a hangover from the days when 'phobes were >>>>attributed with the same potential hazard as a walkie-talkie which also >>>>included the risk of a spark if they were dropped and parted company >>>>with the battery hence some radios I have used in the past having locks >>>>on the battery and the same crown mark as some mining electrical equipment.
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