• Where am I?

    From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 22:40:26
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.



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  • From Bevan Price@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 23:00:33
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??



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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 02:04:42
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy! And do their railways have third rail electrification?


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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 05:57:12
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy! And do their railways have third rail >electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Graeme Wall@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 08:16:07
    On 01/02/2026 05:57, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1 Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this >>>> group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy!ÿ And do their railways have third rail
    electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    In which case Argentina could be an option.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.



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  • From Ulf Kutzner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 09:25:47

    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> posted:

    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ensemble_de_Lancement_Soyouz#/media/File:Centre_spatial_guyanais_-_Rollout_Soyuz_8841889867.jpg

    Hm. No third rail found.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tbilisi_Metro#/media/File:Metrostation_Didube.jpg ?

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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 09:22:28
    In message <10ln247$3ie2a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:16:07 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 05:57, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1
    Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this >>>>> group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy!ÿ And do their railways have third rail
    electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    In which case Argentina could be an option.

    We need more information, such as:

    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *in one of its cities*

    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *which comprises the majority of its
    rail network*

    Or somewhere in between.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Marland@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 10:46:10
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.




    Panama Canal locks? Mule track each side, third rail in conduit.

    GH

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 12:30:05
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1 Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this >>>> group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy! And do their railways have third rail
    electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    No, it?s exactly 5? gauge. It?s not a metro, nor underground. And it?s not
    in the former Soviet Union.

    Here?s another hint: it is part-time rack and pinion.


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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 12:30:07
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10ln247$3ie2a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:16:07 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 05:57, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1
    Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail >>>>>> electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this >>>>>> group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy!ÿ And do their railways have third rail
    electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    In which case Argentina could be an option.

    We need more information, such as:

    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *in one of its cities*

    It?s not in a city.


    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *which comprises the majority of its
    rail network*

    At one time it was all the railways in that country, but a significant
    portion was relatively recently converted to standard gauge, diesel-hauled. However, the 5? gauge railway remains more important than the standard
    gauge railway.

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  • From Marland@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 12:47:54
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10ln247$3ie2a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:16:07 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 05:57, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1
    Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail >>>>>>> electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this >>>>>>> group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy!ÿ And do their railways have third rail
    electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    In which case Argentina could be an option.

    We need more information, such as:

    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *in one of its cities*

    It?s not in a city.


    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *which comprises the majority of its
    rail network*

    At one time it was all the railways in that country, but a significant portion was relatively recently converted to standard gauge, diesel-hauled. However, the 5? gauge railway remains more important than the standard
    gauge railway.


    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.

    GH



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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 13:18:14
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10ln247$3ie2a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:16:07 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 05:57, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1 >>>>> Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail >>>>>>>> electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this >>>>>>>> group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy!ÿ And do their railways have third rail >>>>>> electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    In which case Argentina could be an option.

    We need more information, such as:

    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *in one of its cities*

    It?s not in a city.


    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *which comprises the majority of its
    rail network*

    At one time it was all the railways in that country, but a significant
    portion was relatively recently converted to standard gauge, diesel-hauled. >> However, the 5? gauge railway remains more important than the standard
    gauge railway.


    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.


    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least) four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    All the tracks alongside the canals have racks, but the flat return or
    shunting tracks do not need them. The connecting inclines between lock
    chambers have a very steep gradient of 1 in 2, which is, I believe, the
    highest in the world, even more than the Pilatus. The diminutives 50 tonne locos are therefore four-wheeled.

    They still use little two-man (one rower, one catcher) rowing boats to help couple the locos and ships in the Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks. The
    rope men simply throw the ropes from shore to ship in the Gatun locks.

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  • From Graeme Wall@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 13:33:31
    On 01/02/2026 13:18, Recliner wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10ln247$3ie2a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:16:07 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 05:57, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1 >>>>>> Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail >>>>>>>>> electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy!ÿ And do their railways have third rail >>>>>>> electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    In which case Argentina could be an option.

    We need more information, such as:

    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *in one of its cities*

    It?s not in a city.


    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *which comprises the majority of its
    rail network*

    At one time it was all the railways in that country, but a significant
    portion was relatively recently converted to standard gauge, diesel-hauled. >>> However, the 5? gauge railway remains more important than the standard
    gauge railway.


    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.


    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least) four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    All the tracks alongside the canals have racks, but the flat return or shunting tracks do not need them. The connecting inclines between lock chambers have a very steep gradient of 1 in 2, which is, I believe, the highest in the world, even more than the Pilatus. The diminutives 50 tonne locos are therefore four-wheeled.

    They still use little two-man (one rower, one catcher) rowing boats to help couple the locos and ships in the Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks. The
    rope men simply throw the ropes from shore to ship in the Gatun locks.

    Just be careful you don't get mistaken for a drug boat and get blown up
    by the USAF.

    --
    Graeme Wall
    This account not read.



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  • From Coffee@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 14:12:28
    On 01/02/2026 13:33, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 13:18, Recliner wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10ln247$3ie2a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:16:07 on Sun, 1 Feb >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 05:57, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1 >>>>>>> Febÿ 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge,
    third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person >>>>>>>>>> in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy!ÿ And do their railways have third rail >>>>>>>> electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    In which case Argentina could be an option.

    We need more information, such as:

    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *in one of its cities*

    It?s not in a city.


    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *which comprises the majority of its
    rail network*

    At one time it was all the railways in that country, but a significant >>>> portion was relatively recently converted to standard gauge, diesel-
    hauled.
    However, the 5? gauge railway remains more important than the standard >>>> gauge railway.


    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.


    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least)
    four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    All the tracks alongside the canals have racks, but the flat return or
    shunting tracks do not need them. The connecting inclines between lock
    chambers have a very steep gradient of 1 in 2, which is, I believe, the
    highest in the world, even more than the Pilatus. The diminutives 50
    tonne
    locos are therefore four-wheeled.

    They still use little two-man (one rower, one catcher) rowing boats to
    help
    couple the locos and ships in the Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks. The
    rope men simply throw the ropes from shore to ship in the Gatun locks.

    Just be careful you don't get mistaken for a drug boat and get blown up
    by the USAF.

    Hasn't Trump threatened to take over the canal in recent history?

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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 14:17:28
    Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 13:18, Recliner wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10ln247$3ie2a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:16:07 on Sun, 1 Feb >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 05:57, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1 >>>>>>> Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail >>>>>>>>>> electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy!ÿ And do their railways have third rail >>>>>>>> electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    In which case Argentina could be an option.

    We need more information, such as:

    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *in one of its cities*

    It?s not in a city.


    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *which comprises the majority of its
    rail network*

    At one time it was all the railways in that country, but a significant >>>> portion was relatively recently converted to standard gauge, diesel-hauled.
    However, the 5? gauge railway remains more important than the standard >>>> gauge railway.


    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.


    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least)
    four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    All the tracks alongside the canals have racks, but the flat return or
    shunting tracks do not need them. The connecting inclines between lock
    chambers have a very steep gradient of 1 in 2, which is, I believe, the
    highest in the world, even more than the Pilatus. The diminutives 50 tonne >> locos are therefore four-wheeled.

    They still use little two-man (one rower, one catcher) rowing boats to help >> couple the locos and ships in the Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks. The
    rope men simply throw the ropes from shore to ship in the Gatun locks.

    Just be careful you don't get mistaken for a drug boat and get blown up
    by the USAF.

    I discovered there?s still a lot of bad feeling here about a US invasion
    I?d actually forgotten about:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama


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  • From ColinR@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 14:19:55
    On 01/02/2026 10:46, Marland wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.




    Panama Canal locks? Mule track each side, third rail in conduit.

    GH

    At least two - went through the canal (old locks) many times.

    --
    Colin


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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 17:01:18
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 10:46, Marland wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.




    Panama Canal locks? Mule track each side, third rail in conduit.

    GH

    At least two - went through the canal (old locks) many times.


    You were the one I was thinking of.


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  • From Alan Jones@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 18:51:00
    On 01/02/2026 14:12, Coffee wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 13:33, Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 13:18, Recliner wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.


    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least)
    four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    All the tracks alongside the canals have racks, but the flat return or
    shunting tracks do not need them. The connecting inclines between lock
    chambers have a very steep gradient of 1 in 2, which is, I believe, the
    highest in the world, even more than the Pilatus. The diminutives 50 tonne >>> locos are therefore four-wheeled.

    They still use little two-man (one rower, one catcher) rowing boats to help >>> couple the locos and ships in the Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks. The >>> rope men simply throw the ropes from shore to ship in the Gatun locks.

    Just be careful you don't get mistaken for a drug boat and get blown up by the USAF.

    Hasn't Trump threatened to take over the canal in recent history?

    I think Trump originally aimed to have the Hong Kong company CK Hutchison sell its port facilities around Panama to a consortium of western investors that the USA has more influence over.

    The ports seem to have been built up by Li Ka-shing, and Black Rock & co were originally going to include a controlling interest in Felixstowe, Harwich and Thamesport.

    https://bifa.org/2025/03/06/hutchison-to-sell-port-of-felixstowe/

    But that deal fell through so I don't know if Trump still intends for the UK ports to come under his influence.

    Does anyone here know what's happening, as it will presumably involve the transfer of the railway assets as well?

    But anyway, Li Ka-shing whose company is relinquishing the port facilities, is an interesting individual, still active at age 97:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ka-shing

    He is a long-term philanthropist, including to Cambridge University in the medical field since he opened a Cancer Research facility in 2002:

    https://www.cam.ac.uk/taxonomy/external-affiliations/li-ka-shing-foundation

    And while we are on it, don't forget it was Gordon Parker who saved the Feixstowe port after purchasing the Felixstowe Dock & Railway Company for œ50,000 in 1951 and investing heavily in them:

    https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Felixstowe_Dock_and_Railway_Co


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  • From Nobody@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 11:14:14
    On 2026-02-01 5:33 a.m., Graeme Wall wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 13:18, Recliner wrote:
    Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <10ln247$3ie2a$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:16:07 on Sun, 1 Feb >>>>> 2026, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 05:57, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <_wyfR.50138$K2m7.41440@fx05.ams1>, at 02:04:42 on Sun, 1 >>>>>>> Febÿ 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
    Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 22:40, Recliner wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge,
    third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person >>>>>>>>>> in this
    group has personal experience of this railway.


    Either Finland or Putinland ??

    That would be much too easy!ÿ And do their railways have third rail >>>>>>>> electrification?

    Moscow and St Peterburg Metro; Kyiv, Karkiv and Dnipro Metro.
    Minsk, Tblisi, Baku and Yerevan Metro.
    Helsinki Metro.

    So maybe we need to consider 5ft 3" gauge systems too.

    In which case Argentina could be an option.

    We need more information, such as:

    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *in one of its cities*

    It?s not in a city.


    a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system *which comprises the majority of its
    rail network*

    At one time it was all the railways in that country, but a significant >>>> portion was relatively recently converted to standard gauge, diesel-
    hauled.
    However, the 5? gauge railway remains more important than the standard >>>> gauge railway.


    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.


    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least)
    four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    All the tracks alongside the canals have racks, but the flat return or
    shunting tracks do not need them. The connecting inclines between lock
    chambers have a very steep gradient of 1 in 2, which is, I believe, the
    highest in the world, even more than the Pilatus. The diminutives 50
    tonne
    locos are therefore four-wheeled.

    They still use little two-man (one rower, one catcher) rowing boats to
    help
    couple the locos and ships in the Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks. The
    rope men simply throw the ropes from shore to ship in the Gatun locks.

    Just be careful you don't get mistaken for a drug boat and get blown up
    by the USAF.


    Given Recliner hints at travelling through the locks etc., could a
    "cruise" missile be used?

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  • From Nobody@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 11:22:52
    On 2026-02-01 9:01 a.m., Recliner wrote:
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 10:46, Marland wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this >>>> group has personal experience of this railway.




    Panama Canal locks? Mule track each side, third rail in conduit.

    GH

    At least two - went through the canal (old locks) many times.


    You were the one I was thinking of.


    Did you, or have you, travelled by the Panam  Canal Railway Company? It
    was a shore-tour option during a Princess Cruises' call from Fuerte
    Amador, the Pacific end, to Crist¢bal. The return segment was by bus
    along what the tour guide called "the interstate"...

    I guess I'm at least number three in the travelling circus.

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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 20:07:34
    In message <qoIfR.22100$mUza.16677@fx09.ams1>, at 13:18:14 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.

    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least) >four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    A friend of mine went through there on the QM2 on Burns Night. Are you
    on the same cruise?
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From ColinR@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 20:27:23
    On 01/02/2026 20:07, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <qoIfR.22100$mUza.16677@fx09.ams1>, at 13:18:14 on Sun, 1 Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.

    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least)
    four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    A friend of mine went through there on the QM2 on Burns Night. Are you
    on the same cruise?

    I suspect not. QM2 is currently (pm 1st Feb) off Baja California almost
    3000 miles from Panama. Recliners post was dated yesterday so, assuming
    it was sent the same time, the QM2 does not cruise at over 100 knots!!

    --
    Colin


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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 21:00:36
    In message <10locve$3112$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:27:23 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 20:07, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <qoIfR.22100$mUza.16677@fx09.ams1>, at 13:18:14 on Sun, 1
    Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.

    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least)
    four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    A friend of mine went through there on the QM2 on Burns Night. Are
    you on the same cruise?

    I suspect not. QM2 is currently (pm 1st Feb) off Baja California almost
    3000 miles from Panama. Recliners post was dated yesterday so, assuming
    it was sent the same time, the QM2 does not cruise at over 100 knots!!

    People often don't post reports of such cruises in real time. eg My
    friend's blog of Burns Night wasn't posted until three days later.
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From ColinR@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 21:15:45
    On 01/02/2026 21:00, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <10locve$3112$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:27:23 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 20:07, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <qoIfR.22100$mUza.16677@fx09.ams1>, at 13:18:14 on Sun, 1
    Febÿ 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.

    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and >>>> eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least) >>>> four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    ÿA friend of mine went through there on the QM2 on Burns Night. Are
    youÿ on the same cruise?

    I suspect not. QM2 is currently (pm 1st Feb) off Baja California
    almost 3000 miles from Panama. Recliners post was dated yesterday so,
    assuming it was sent the same time, the QM2 does not cruise at over
    100 knots!!

    People often don't post reports of such cruises in real time. eg My
    friend's blog of Burns Night wasn't posted until three days later.

    Hence saying "assuming .. "


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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 21:16:52
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <qoIfR.22100$mUza.16677@fx09.ams1>, at 13:18:14 on Sun, 1 Feb 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.

    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least)
    four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    A friend of mine went through there on the QM2 on Burns Night. Are you
    on the same cruise?

    No, Cunard doesn?t appeal to me in the slightest.

    It?s not my first time through the Canal, but I?m always surprised at the almost total absence of passenger vessels. Obviously, some cruise ships do transit, but the overwhelming majority of the ships carry freight
    (containers and bulk freight mainly).


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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 21:16:54
    Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
    On 2026-02-01 9:01 a.m., Recliner wrote:
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 10:46, Marland wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail
    electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this >>>>> group has personal experience of this railway.




    Panama Canal locks? Mule track each side, third rail in conduit.

    GH

    At least two - went through the canal (old locks) many times.


    You were the one I was thinking of.


    Did you, or have you, travelled by the Panam  Canal Railway Company? It
    was a shore-tour option during a Princess Cruises' call from Fuerte
    Amador, the Pacific end, to Crist¢bal. The return segment was by bus
    along what the tour guide called "the interstate"...

    I think they now only run something like one passenger (tourist) train per week. The locals use the much faster bus, or drive.



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  • From Recliner@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 21:20:53
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 21:00, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <10locve$3112$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:27:23 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
    On 01/02/2026 20:07, Roland Perry wrote:
    In message <qoIfR.22100$mUza.16677@fx09.ams1>, at 13:18:14 on Sun, 1
    Febÿ 2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.

    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and >>>>> eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least) >>>>> four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks. >>
    ÿA friend of mine went through there on the QM2 on Burns Night. Are
    youÿ on the same cruise?

    I suspect not. QM2 is currently (pm 1st Feb) off Baja California
    almost 3000 miles from Panama. Recliners post was dated yesterday so,
    assuming it was sent the same time, the QM2 does not cruise at over
    100 knots!!

    People often don't post reports of such cruises in real time. eg My
    friend's blog of Burns Night wasn't posted until three days later.

    Hence saying "assuming .. "

    Indeed. When I said I was in Panama, I meant it. Incidentally, this is the first time I?ve actually set foot in the country, on both coasts. So I can legitimately add it to my list of countries visited.


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  • From Nobody@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 17:02:32
    On 2026-02-01 1:16 p.m., Recliner wrote:
    Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
    On 2026-02-01 9:01 a.m., Recliner wrote:
    ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/02/2026 10:46, Marland wrote:
    Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    I?m in a country that has a busy, multi-track, 5? gauge, third-rail >>>>>> electrified railway system.

    More clues if you need them, but I suspect at least one person in this >>>>>> group has personal experience of this railway.




    Panama Canal locks? Mule track each side, third rail in conduit.

    GH

    At least two - went through the canal (old locks) many times.


    You were the one I was thinking of.


    Did you, or have you, travelled by the Panam  Canal Railway Company? It
    was a shore-tour option during a Princess Cruises' call from Fuerte
    Amador, the Pacific end, to Crist¢bal. The return segment was by bus
    along what the tour guide called "the interstate"...

    I think they now only run something like one passenger (tourist) train per week. The locals use the much faster bus, or drive.



    "The Man in Seat 61" sez the Mon-Fri round-trip fell victim to the Wu Hu Flu/COVID. My experience in the dome car was in mid-April 2019... and
    on a Sunday (14th to be exact).

    I can't recall whether Princess had marketed options for both north- and south-bound, though that's highly unlikely (for a southwards movement)
    as the bus/es which took us to Corozal station had picked up our boxed
    lunches (while we waited) before boarding the train... and those boxed
    lunches were in situ when the same vehicle picked us up to go view the
    new Agua Clara locks at the Caribbean end.

    Heck knows what occupied/paid for the train to return south.

    Kansas City Southern Railway (as was, and as concessionaire) claim the
    route from 1855 to be the first trans-continental railway... taking
    about an hour!

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  • From Nobody@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 17:19:08
    On 2026-02-01 1:16 p.m., Recliner wrote:
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
    In message <qoIfR.22100$mUza.16677@fx09.ams1>, at 13:18:14 on Sun, 1 Feb
    2026, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

    Fairly sure I was right earlier then, I?ll claim my (Panama) hat.

    Yup, you win your (actually Ecuadorean) hat!

    Each ship is guided through the original 1914 locks by between four and
    eight electric locos. There are actually three stretches of (at least)
    four-track railway, along the Gatun, Pedro Miguel and Miraflores locks.

    A friend of mine went through there on the QM2 on Burns Night. Are you
    on the same cruise?

    No, Cunard doesn?t appeal to me in the slightest.

    It?s not my first time through the Canal, but I?m always surprised at the almost total absence of passenger vessels. Obviously, some cruise ships do transit, but the overwhelming majority of the ships carry freight
    (containers and bulk freight mainly).


    Lack of rainfall/water is a problem for the canal's operation. My
    second transit (without a call at either end) in April '24 was
    remarkable for observing that only one set of the paired Gat£n/Pedro Miguel/Miraflores locks seemed to be needed for traffic in both
    directions... and the 'new' route didn't seem busy either.

    But that's casual observation. Still certainly, the number of passing
    vessels across Gat£n Lake and through the Cut was way lower than five
    years previously.

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