• BBC News: Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line

    From JMB99@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 08:43:49
    Subject: BBC News: Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    BBC News

    Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j8ew04kd3o

    11 November 2025

    Updated 12 November 2025

    A former railway line which runs through Edinburgh is at the centre of a heated debate over whether it should return as a tram line.

    The railway closed about 60 years ago but in the 1980s it was resurfaced
    and named The Roseburn Path as a temporary corridor for cyclists and pedestrians.

    ...........



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  • From boltar@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 09:48:43
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 08:43:49 +0000
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> gabbled:
    BBC News

    Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j8ew04kd3o

    The usual cycling tossers who complain about any expansion of anything that
    may affect their precious cycling routes and "enviromentalists" who have nothing else to do with their time.

    Though this being scotland it'll probably not happen for 10 years anyway if ever.


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  • From Coffee@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 10:35:04
    On 31/01/2026 09:48, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 08:43:49 +0000
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> gabbled:
    BBC News

    Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j8ew04kd3o

    The usual cycling tossers who complain about any expansion of anything that may affect their precious cycling routes and "enviromentalists" who have nothing else to do with their time.

    Though this being scotland it'll probably not happen for 10 years anyway if ever.


    Following an incident when a cyclist brushed me as he cycled across the pavement I've renamed them as "two wheeled terrorists".

    The problem today is individuals and organisations are now totally
    insular and intransigent and incapable of compromise.

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  • From Alan Jones@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 11:00:25
    On 31/01/2026 10:35, Coffee wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 09:48, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 08:43:49 +0000
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> gabbled:
    BBC News

    Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j8ew04kd3o

    The usual cycling tossers who complain about any expansion of anything that >> may affect their precious cycling routes and "enviromentalists" who have
    nothing else to do with their time.

    Though this being scotland it'll probably not happen for 10 years anyway if >> ever.


    Following an incident when a cyclist brushed me as he cycled across the pavement I've renamed them as "two wheeled terrorists".

    The problem today is individuals and organisations are now totally insular and intransigent and incapable of compromise.

    Shurely 'renamed that cyclist as a "two-wheeled terrorist"' ?

    A friend was knocked off their bicycle by a vehicle cutting in too soon to avoid a bollard, but I don't think they would classify ALL drivers as "*** *****".

    Not least because they are also a very considerate driver themselves.

    Are you not also a considerate cyclist? Or your children? Would you call them terrorists?

    Now, what was that problem today ... ?

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  • From Roland Perry@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 11:41:44
    In message <b3d4adde-5dd6-4e08-afde-e1f6804e5187@exospan.com>, at
    11:00:25 on Sat, 31 Jan 2026, Alan Jones <ajnews@exospan.com> remarked:

    Following an incident when a cyclist brushed me as he cycled across
    the pavement I've renamed them as "two wheeled terrorists".

    The problem today is individuals and organisations are now totally >>insular and intransigent and incapable of compromise.

    Shurely 'renamed that cyclist as a "two-wheeled terrorist"' ?

    Indeed. Although Cambridge is also infested with three-wheel terrorists,
    or as they are known "cargo bikes", often with a small child as a human
    shield in the front.

    (Yes, there are also two-wheel cargo bikes).
    --
    Roland Perry

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  • From Sam Wilson@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 11:47:24
    Alan Jones <ajnews@exospan.com> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 10:35, Coffee wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 09:48, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 08:43:49 +0000
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> gabbled:
    BBC News

    Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j8ew04kd3o

    The usual cycling tossers who complain about any expansion of anything that >>> may affect their precious cycling routes and "enviromentalists" who have >>> nothing else to do with their time.

    Though this being scotland it'll probably not happen for 10 years anyway if >>> ever.


    Following an incident when a cyclist brushed me as he cycled across the
    pavement I've renamed them as "two wheeled terrorists".

    The problem today is individuals and organisations are now totally
    insular and intransigent and incapable of compromise.

    Shurely 'renamed that cyclist as a "two-wheeled terrorist"' ?

    A friend was knocked off their bicycle by a vehicle cutting in too soon
    to avoid a bollard, but I don't think they would classify ALL drivers as "*** *****".

    Not least because they are also a very considerate driver themselves.

    Are you not also a considerate cyclist? Or your children? Would you call them terrorists?

    Now, what was that problem today ... ?

    On behalf of all the other considerate cyclists and drivers here, thank you
    for that contribution.

    Sam

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  • From Sam Wilson@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 11:54:49
    Subject: Re: BBC News: Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    BBC News

    Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j8ew04kd3o

    11 November 2025

    Updated 12 November 2025

    A former railway line which runs through Edinburgh is at the centre of a heated debate over whether it should return as a tram line.

    The railway closed about 60 years ago but in the 1980s it was resurfaced
    and named The Roseburn Path as a temporary corridor for cyclists and pedestrians.

    ...........

    We went over this a little while back. It?s all a bit messy. The Roseburn route makes most sense in that there?s a corridor that can be easily
    converted back to public transport, but it doesn?t go close to the major traffic generator on that side of town, the Western General Hospital. The alternative route via Orchard Brae would make more sense in that way, but
    it would also have to cross the narrow, historic, possibly insufficient[1]
    Dean Bridge.

    At the town end the Roseburn option would also link neatly (if there?s room
    for the junction) to the proposed tram-train route around the south
    suburban loop[2]; the Orchard Brae option would link much more conveniently
    to the west end of Princes St.

    There are major drawbacks to both options.

    [1] <https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/cast-iron-lms-railway-bridge-diamond-279070496>
    [2] ?Route for third Edinburgh tram line unveiled? <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx15xzk84xo> though I?m not sure why
    it?s become news again just now.


    Sam

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  • From boltar@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 11:55:14
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 11:41:44 +0000
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
    In message <b3d4adde-5dd6-4e08-afde-e1f6804e5187@exospan.com>, at
    11:00:25 on Sat, 31 Jan 2026, Alan Jones <ajnews@exospan.com> remarked:

    Following an incident when a cyclist brushed me as he cycled across >>>the pavement I've renamed them as "two wheeled terrorists".

    The problem today is individuals and organisations are now totally >>>insular and intransigent and incapable of compromise.

    Shurely 'renamed that cyclist as a "two-wheeled terrorist"' ?

    Indeed. Although Cambridge is also infested with three-wheel terrorists,
    or as they are known "cargo bikes", often with a small child as a human >shield in the front.

    I've never understood parents who take their kids out in those contraptions
    or frankly strapped on the back of a normal bike either. In an accident a
    small child can be badly or even fatally hurt by forces that might only wind an adult.


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  • From JMB99@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 21:42:47
    On 31/01/2026 11:55, boltar@caprica.universe wrote:
    I've never understood parents who take their kids out in those contraptions or frankly strapped on the back of a normal bike either. In an accident a small child can be badly or even fatally hurt by forces that might only
    wind an adult.


    Not examined one closely but they never seem to have any structural
    strength. Certainly not enough to protect a child in the event of any
    sort of accident.







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  • From Certes@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 14:56:21
    Subject: Re: BBC News: Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    On 31/01/2026 11:54, Sam Wilson wrote:
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    BBC News

    Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j8ew04kd3o

    11 November 2025

    Updated 12 November 2025

    A former railway line which runs through Edinburgh is at the centre of a
    heated debate over whether it should return as a tram line.

    The railway closed about 60 years ago but in the 1980s it was resurfaced
    and named The Roseburn Path as a temporary corridor for cyclists and
    pedestrians.

    ...........

    We went over this a little while back. It?s all a bit messy. The Roseburn route makes most sense in that there?s a corridor that can be easily converted back to public transport, but it doesn?t go close to the major traffic generator on that side of town, the Western General Hospital. The alternative route via Orchard Brae would make more sense in that way, but
    it would also have to cross the narrow, historic, possibly insufficient[1] Dean Bridge.

    At the town end the Roseburn option would also link neatly (if there?s room for the junction) to the proposed tram-train route around the south
    suburban loop[2]; the Orchard Brae option would link much more conveniently to the west end of Princes St.

    There are major drawbacks to both options.

    [1] <https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/cast-iron-lms-railway-bridge-diamond-279070496>
    [2] ?Route for third Edinburgh tram line unveiled? <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx15xzk84xo> though I?m not sure why it?s become news again just now.

    Another major drawback to both options is that they cost over œ2 billion
    which the council does not have and no one else seems eager to donate.

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  • From Sam Wilson@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 16:56:52
    Subject: Re: BBC News: Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
    On 31/01/2026 11:54, Sam Wilson wrote:
    JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
    BBC News

    Roseburn Path: What is the row over a new Edinburgh tram line about?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j8ew04kd3o

    11 November 2025

    Updated 12 November 2025

    A former railway line which runs through Edinburgh is at the centre of a >>> heated debate over whether it should return as a tram line.

    The railway closed about 60 years ago but in the 1980s it was resurfaced >>> and named The Roseburn Path as a temporary corridor for cyclists and
    pedestrians.

    ...........

    We went over this a little while back. It?s all a bit messy. The Roseburn >> route makes most sense in that there?s a corridor that can be easily
    converted back to public transport, but it doesn?t go close to the major
    traffic generator on that side of town, the Western General Hospital. The >> alternative route via Orchard Brae would make more sense in that way, but
    it would also have to cross the narrow, historic, possibly insufficient[1] >> Dean Bridge.

    At the town end the Roseburn option would also link neatly (if there?s room >> for the junction) to the proposed tram-train route around the south
    suburban loop[2]; the Orchard Brae option would link much more conveniently >> to the west end of Princes St.

    There are major drawbacks to both options.

    [1]
    <https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/cast-iron-lms-railway-bridge-diamond-279070496>
    [2] ?Route for third Edinburgh tram line unveiled?
    <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx15xzk84xo> though I?m not sure why >> it?s become news again just now.

    Another major drawback to both options is that they cost over œ2 billion which the council does not have and no one else seems eager to donate.

    Part of the rationale I?ve seen expressed previously, is that there is
    expected to be increased demand for public transport in the north western
    area of the city, and that there just isn?t enough road space for the buses required to meet that demand. I haven?t seen the projections, but it?s certainly plausible that adding even more buses to Princes St would be problematic.

    Sam

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  • From Scott@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 17:02:31
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 11:55:14 -0000 (UTC), boltar@caprica.universe
    wrote:

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 11:41:44 +0000
    Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> gabbled:
    In message <b3d4adde-5dd6-4e08-afde-e1f6804e5187@exospan.com>, at
    11:00:25 on Sat, 31 Jan 2026, Alan Jones <ajnews@exospan.com> remarked:

    Following an incident when a cyclist brushed me as he cycled across >>>>the pavement I've renamed them as "two wheeled terrorists".

    The problem today is individuals and organisations are now totally >>>>insular and intransigent and incapable of compromise.

    Shurely 'renamed that cyclist as a "two-wheeled terrorist"' ?

    Indeed. Although Cambridge is also infested with three-wheel terrorists, >>or as they are known "cargo bikes", often with a small child as a human >>shield in the front.

    I've never understood parents who take their kids out in those contraptions >or frankly strapped on the back of a normal bike either. In an accident a >small child can be badly or even fatally hurt by forces that might only wind >an adult.

    It used to infuriate my dad when persons pushed a pram into the
    traffic as a tactic to cross the road.

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