• Reform/Farage

    From Radio Man@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 13:27:52
    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

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  • From Handsome Jack@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 13:53:49
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

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  • From jkn@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 13:59:50
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 14:00:28
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's a typical anti-Farage smear.

    The Left are getting extremely worried about Farage.

    Any way to discredit him. make him look fake, or unpatriotic or a con
    artist will be used.

    Just understand it for what it is.


    --
    "The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow witted
    man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
    thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."

    - Leo Tolstoy



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  • From Spike@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 14:41:30
    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel >>> Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's a typical anti-Farage smear.

    Just like the ?pro immigrant? protesters who were escorted by the police to confront the peaceful protesters of Epping by shouting Racist! and Far
    Right! at them to try and goad them into retaliating.

    The suspicion is that because the good people of Epping failed to respond
    in the manner intended, agents-provocateurs infiltrated the Epping side,
    and were later extracted by the police.

    The police originally denied bussing people away, but had to eat s***t when
    a video emerged of big strapping men in civvies climbing aboard police
    vans, leading to what has been described as a ?twenty-minute bloviating
    word salad? by the Chief Constable, who, also wearing his woodentop as
    National Police Lead on Public Order, totally denied any need for him to examine the operation in any way.

    The Left are getting extremely worried about Farage.

    Aren?t they just. Stand by for three and a half years of increasingly dirty tricks.

    Any way to discredit him. make him look fake, or unpatriotic or a con
    artist will be used.

    Standard Marxist tactics.

    Just understand it for what it is.

    Quite so.


    --
    Spike
    Sign the ?No to ID? petition here:
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    BlackBeltBarrister opinion here:
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  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 15:05:12
    On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 13:59:50 +0000
    jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that
    Nigel Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he
    reminds him of one of the commanders that he fought alongside with
    distinction. In the next few weeks he's going to auction off his
    medals and donate all of the money to Reform. So, anyone know how
    much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

    Yes, I saw it somewhere else yesterday.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


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  • From JNugent@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 15:51:40
    On 01/11/2025 02:00 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel >>> Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's a typical anti-Farage smear.
    The Left are getting extremely worried about Farage.
    Any way to discredit him. make him look fake, or unpatriotic or a con
    artist will be used.
    Just understand it for what it is.

    Exactly.

    I am not, and never have been, a Farage supporter.

    But I still see the current lefty efforts to disparage [disfarage?] him
    for what they are (well-described above by the PP).

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 16:09:06
    On 01/11/2025 15:51, JNugent wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 02:00 pm, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that
    Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of >>>> one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the >>>> next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's a typical anti-Farage smear.
    The Left are getting extremely worried about Farage.
    Any way to discredit him. make him look fake, or unpatriotic or a con
    artist will be used.
    Just understand it for what it is.

    Exactly.

    I am not, and never have been, a Farage supporter.

    I am not a fan. I have met him. I have talked to him. I simply think he
    is the best chance we have right now. He isn't Christ reincarnated, bit
    nor is he fucking Satan...He is in the end a decent bloke trying to make
    a difference.

    Times have changed, politics have not. Reform has a half a chance.

    But I still see the current lefty efforts to disparage [disfarage?] him
    for what they are (well-described above by the PP).

    --
    "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

    Josef Stalin



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  • From RJH@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 17:09:15
    On 1 Nov 2025 at 14:41:30 GMT, Spike wrote:

    The Left are getting extremely worried about Farage.


    I spoke with a few Green councillors recently, who are about as close to
    'left' as you're going to get in mainstream politics, and they weren't too concerned. IMO they should be.

    The PLP isn't 'left', although a few MPs might well qualify.

    Aren?t they just. Stand by for three and a half years of increasingly dirty tricks.

    Any way to discredit him. make him look fake, or unpatriotic or a con
    artist will be used.

    Standard Marxist tactics.

    Not Marxist. Marxism is only ever a theory. For people who've done things in the name of Marxism this is a good guide:

    https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/id1300577518?i=1000720823780

    Makes Starmer look like a (low rent populist) kitten.

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  • From Jethro_uk@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 17:11:43
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 14:00:28 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that
    Nigel Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds
    him of one of the commanders that he fought alongside with
    distinction. In the next few weeks he's going to auction off his
    medals and donate all of the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much
    an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's a typical anti-Farage smear.

    The Left are getting extremely worried about Farage.

    Any way to discredit him. make him look fake, or unpatriotic or a con
    artist will be used.

    Just understand it for what it is.

    He doesn't need anyone to discredit him - he haas managed that all on his
    own with dodgy house purchases, shilling for the Russians and associating
    with foreign citizens formenting unrest in the UK.

    Why gild the lily.

    He's free to sue me if he wants. Eternal September know where to find me.

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  • From Jethro_uk@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 17:12:36
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 16:09:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 15:51, JNugent wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
    I am not a fan. I have met him. I have talked to him. I simply think he
    is the best chance we have right now. He isn't Christ reincarnated,

    he is, in fact, a very naughy boy.

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  • From Sam Plusnet@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 19:22:06
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's what is technically known as 'a joke'.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 19:24:48
    On 01/11/2025 17:12, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 16:09:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 15:51, JNugent wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
    I am not a fan. I have met him. I have talked to him. I simply think he
    is the best chance we have right now. He isn't Christ reincarnated,

    he is, in fact, a very naughy boy.

    Sadly not even that.

    --
    "What do you think about Gay Marriage?"
    "I don't."
    "Don't what?"
    "Think about Gay Marriage."



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  • From Sam Plusnet@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 19:29:07
    On 01/11/2025 17:12, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 16:09:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 15:51, JNugent wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
    I am not a fan. I have met him. I have talked to him. I simply think he
    is the best chance we have right now. He isn't Christ reincarnated,

    he is, in fact, a very naughy boy.

    Yes.

    "Things seem pretty bad at the moment - so let's make it all a dozen
    times worse!"

    Rabble-rousing retoric:
    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From GB@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 19:29:29
    On 01/11/2025 19:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel >>> Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's what is technically known as 'a joke'.


    Is there a term to describe a particularly lame joke?



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  • From GB@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 19:32:38
    On 01/11/2025 13:59, jkn wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel >>> Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour


    My wife's grandfather was a bit of a war hero, and had an Iron Cross.
    Funny how immigration changes things.



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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 19:40:50
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 17:12, Jethro_uk wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 16:09:06 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 15:51, JNugent wrote:
    [quoted text muted]
    I am not a fan. I have met him. I have talked to him.˙ I simply think he >>> is the best chance we have right now. He isn't Christ reincarnated,

    he is, in fact, a very naughy boy.

    Yes.

    "Things seem pretty bad at the moment - so let's make it all a dozen
    times worse!"

    Rabble-rousing retoric:
    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.


    Well the labour party has been doing that for years. It's only fair....

    But of course as BBC watching guardian reader you wont have been told
    all that

    --
    The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to
    rule.
    ? H. L. Mencken, American journalist, 1880-1956


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  • From Jim Jackson@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 20:11:38
    On 2025-11-01, jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel >>> Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

    No. It _was_ humour - and quite funny.

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  • From Handsome Jack@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 01, 2025 21:42:06
    On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 13:59:50 +0000, jkn wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that
    Nigel Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds
    him of one of the commanders that he fought alongside with
    distinction. In the next few weeks he's going to auction off his
    medals and donate all of the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much
    an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

    Ah, I see. Most amusing. My ribs ache with irrepressible mirth.

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  • From Timatmarford@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 08:35:07
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, GB wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that
    Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of >>>> one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the >>>> next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's what is technically known as 'a joke'.


    Is there a term to describe a particularly lame joke?

    Limp?

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  • From GB@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 10:30:57
    On 01/11/2025 20:11, Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2025-11-01, jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel >>>> Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of >>>> one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the >>>> next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

    No. It _was_ humour - and quite funny.

    You serious?!


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 11:10:29
    On 01/11/2025 20:11, Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2025-11-01, jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel >>>> Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of >>>> one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the >>>> next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

    No. It _was_ humour - and quite funny.

    Oh dear. Funny like kicking a transgender woman in the nuts is funny?

    --
    ?A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
    who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
    ?We did this ourselves.?

    ? Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 11:10:54
    On 02/11/2025 08:35, Timatmarford wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, GB wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that
    Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of >>>>> one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In >>>>> the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of >>>>> the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth? >>>>
    He's German?

    It's what is technically known as 'a joke'.


    Is there a term to describe a particularly lame joke?

    Limp?
    damp squib

    --
    ?A leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
    who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
    ?We did this ourselves.?

    ? Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching


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  • From Indy Jess John@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 13:55:50
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 14:05:01
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected
    whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.




    --
    In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone
    gets full Marx.


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  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 15:02:46
    On 02/11/2025 10:30, GB wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 20:11, Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2025-11-01, jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that
    Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of >>>>> one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In >>>>> the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of >>>>> the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth? >>>>
    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

    No. It _was_ humour - and quite funny.

    You serious?!

    The fact so many right wing swivel-eyed Farangists are saying it's not
    funny means the barb in the joke has hit home.

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  • From JNugent@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 15:13:56
    On 02/11/2025 03:02 pm, mm0fmf wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 10:30, GB wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 20:11, Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2025-11-01, jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that >>>>>> Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds
    him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction.
    In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of >>>>>> the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth? >>>>>
    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

    No. It _was_ humour - and quite funny.

    You serious?!

    The fact so many right wing swivel-eyed Farangists are saying it's not
    funny means the barb in the joke has hit home.

    The same joke has been made in various contexts.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 15:48:30
    On 02/11/2025 15:02, mm0fmf wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 10:30, GB wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 20:11, Jim Jackson wrote:
    On 2025-11-01, jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that >>>>>> Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds
    him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction.
    In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of >>>>>> the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth? >>>>>
    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

    No. It _was_ humour - and quite funny.

    You serious?!

    The fact so many right wing swivel-eyed Farangists are saying it's not
    funny means the barb in the joke has hit home.

    No dear, they are not saying its not funny, just that its a very bad and juvenile attempt at political propaganda, by a swivel eyed lefty, and
    such humour as it has lies in that fact.
    --
    ?Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere,
    diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.?
    ? Groucho Marx


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  • From Cursitor Doom@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 18:22:41
    On Sat, 1 Nov 2025 13:59:50 +0000, jkn <jkn+nin@nicorp.co.uk> wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that Nigel >>> Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of
    one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the
    next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    I think it possible that the original post is an attempt at humour

    A *feeble attempt* at humour. There, fixed it for you.


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  • From Radio Man@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 18:43:38
    On Sun, 02 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected
    whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.

    The Russians think he's worth a punt too. Especially after he and comrade
    Gill did such a good job on their Brexit project.

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  • From Joe@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 19:15:19
    On Sun, 02 Nov 2025 18:43:38 GMT
    Radio Man <noinv@lid.org> wrote:



    Especially after he and
    comrade Gill did such a good job on their Brexit project.

    I don't think he did a bad job, considering that pretty much everyone
    in Parliament, the media, academia and the civil service were opposed
    to Brexit. I can't see someone like Starmer achieving anything of that
    degree of difficulty.

    --
    Joe


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  • From Sam Plusnet@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 19:38:10
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?


    Most people have fantasies, but yours are...

    Do you often find your thoughts straying toward him?

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Sam Plusnet@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 19:39:36
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, GB wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that
    Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of >>>> one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the >>>> next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of
    the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's what is technically known as 'a joke'.


    Is there a term to describe a particularly lame joke?

    Yes, but why do you ask that now?

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 19:39:55
    On Sun, 02 Nov 2025 18:43:38 GMT
    Radio Man <noinv@lid.org> wrote:

    On Sun, 02 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    [...]
    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting
    elected whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the
    country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at
    fucking it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.

    The Russians think he's worth a punt too. Especially after he and
    comrade Gill did such a good job on their Brexit project.

    He made the mistake of believing that the government, politicians such
    as Camoron, the civil service and so on would do what they were asked
    when the referendum made the decision to leave the EU.

    He's learnt that lesson thoroughly now, and if elected with a
    sufficient majority will try to ensure that the law is amended to
    prevent the establishment from doing the opposite of what the
    electorate has told them to do.

    It might work. It might not. Depends on whether the electorate acts to
    elect sufficient MPs who wish to change the way that Parliament acts
    when legislating.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


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  • From Custos Custodum@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 02, 2025 20:26:15
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 08:35:07 +0000, Timatmarford <tim@marford.uk.com>
    wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 19:29, GB wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that
    Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of >>>>> one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the >>>>> next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of >>>>> the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth? >>>>
    He's German?

    It's what is technically known as 'a joke'.


    Is there a term to describe a particularly lame joke?

    Limp?

    Flaccid. Just like a typical Reform voter.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 03, 2025 09:51:32
    On 02/11/2025 18:43, Radio Man wrote:
    On Sun, 02 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected
    whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.

    The Russians think he's worth a punt too. Especially after he and comrade Gill did such a good job on their Brexit project.

    Do you think Russia will be in a position to do anything in 4 years time?
    --
    All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
    all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
    fully understood.



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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 03, 2025 09:52:58
    On 02/11/2025 19:15, Joe wrote:
    On Sun, 02 Nov 2025 18:43:38 GMT
    Radio Man <noinv@lid.org> wrote:



    Especially after he and
    comrade Gill did such a good job on their Brexit project.

    I don't think he did a bad job, considering that pretty much everyone
    in Parliament, the media, academia and the civil service were opposed
    to Brexit. I can't see someone like Starmer achieving anything of that
    degree of difficulty.

    +1. In fact Nigel had no say whatsoever in how Brexit was implemented.
    You can lay the blame for that firmly on Labour and Tory idiocracy
    --
    All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
    all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
    fully understood.



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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 03, 2025 09:54:18
    On 02/11/2025 20:26, Custos Custodum wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 08:35:07 +0000, Timatmarford <tim@marford.uk.com>
    wrote:

    On 01/11/2025 19:29, GB wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks that >>>>>> Nigel
    Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says he reminds him of >>>>>> one of the commanders that he fought alongside with distinction. In the >>>>>> next few weeks he's going to auction off his medals and donate all of >>>>>> the money to Reform. So, anyone know how much an Iron Cross is worth? >>>>>
    He's German?

    It's what is technically known as 'a joke'.


    Is there a term to describe a particularly lame joke?

    Limp?

    Flaccid. Just like a typical Reform voter.
    There is no 'typical reform voter'

    --
    All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
    all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
    fully understood.



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  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, December 03, 2025 19:59:04
    On 1 Nov 2025 14:41:30 GMT
    Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:

    The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 13:53, Handsome Jack wrote:
    On Sat, 01 Nov 2025 13:27:52 GMT, Radio Man wrote:

    My Grandfather is over 100, he fought in D-day, and he thinks
    that Nigel Farage is the right man to sort Britain out. He says
    he reminds him of one of the commanders that he fought alongside
    with distinction. In the next few weeks he's going to auction off
    his medals and donate all of the money to Reform. So, anyone know
    how much an Iron Cross is worth?

    He's German?

    It's a typical anti-Farage smear.

    Just like the ?pro immigrant? protesters who were escorte
    d by the
    police to confront the peaceful protesters of Epping by shouting
    Racist! and Far Right! at them to try and goad them into retaliating.

    The suspicion is that because the good people of Epping failed to
    respond in the manner intended, agents-provocateurs infiltrated the
    Epping side, and were later extracted by the police.

    The police originally denied bussing people away, but had to eat
    s***t when a video emerged of big strapping men in civvies climbing
    aboard police vans, leading to what has been described as a
    ?twenty-minute bloviating word salad? by the Chief Consta
    ble, who,
    also wearing his woodentop as National Police Lead on Public Order,
    totally denied any need for him to examine the operation in any way.

    The Left are getting extremely worried about Farage.

    Aren?t they just. Stand by for three and a half years of increasi
    ngly
    dirty tricks.

    Any way to discredit him. make him look fake, or unpatriotic or a
    con artist will be used.

    Standard Marxist tactics.

    Just understand it for what it is.

    Quite so.



    Careful, Burt - any higher up and you'll hit a kidney.


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  • From Julian Macassey@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 09:23:16
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.

    Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?


    --
    The NHS will last as long as there are folk left with faith to
    fight for it. - Aneurin Bevan

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 11:00:12
    On 13/03/2026 09:23, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected
    whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.

    Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?


    We didn't *really* leave though, did we?

    The politicians prevented that.

    But the little we have managed to do has been extremely beneficial

    Better and cheaper food from Africa and south America instead of Spain
    and Italy

    Ability to support Ukraine without EU prevarication.

    We know that Labour Liberal and Tory politicians have been told to
    destroy the country to force it back into submission to the EU, but
    Reform will actually reverse that.

    The first thing that needs to go is the slavish adherence to EU energy
    and climate rules, which no one in the EU keeps to. But we do.


    --
    For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
    very definition of slavery.

    Jonathan Swift



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  • From Jeff Layman@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 11:21:26
    On 13/03/2026 09:23, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected
    whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.

    Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?

    I've no idea whether or not in the financial, energy, foreign policy,
    etc areas it's been successful or not. Where it has been successful is
    to remove a layer of politicians. Any removal of a layer of politicians
    should be looked on with satisfaction. I recommend the poem
    "Siphonaptera" to you.

    --
    Jeff

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  • From Max Demian@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 11:33:01
    On 13/03/2026 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 09:23, Julian Macassey wrote:

    ˙˙˙˙Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?


    We didn't *really* leave though, did we?

    The politicians prevented that.

    But the little we have managed to do has been extremely beneficial

    Better and cheaper food from Africa and south America instead of Spain
    and Italy

    Ability to support Ukraine without EU prevarication.

    We know that˙ Labour Liberal and Tory politicians have been told to
    destroy the country to force it back into submission to the EU, but
    Reform will actually reverse that.

    The first thing that needs to go is the slavish adherence to EU energy
    and climate rules, which no one in the EU keeps to. But we do.

    Don't forget the captive bottle caps...

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Spike@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 11:59:43
    Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected
    whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.

    Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?

    Don?t worry?more than 18 months into the new Labour pro-growth government complete with a Cabinet comprised solely of state-school-educated people, growth is now zero, perhaps in part due to record numbers of NEETs, sick
    notes, the increases in Living Wage and National Insurance?and more U-turns
    by the incompetent Prime Minister than can easily be recalled, as his back-benchers have their way. Where would the EU have saved us from this
    farce?

    --
    Spike

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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 12:15:29
    On 13/03/2026 in message <10p0sle$312rv$1@dont-email.me> Max Demian wrote:

    On 13/03/2026 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 09:23, Julian Macassey wrote:

    ˙˙˙˙Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?


    We didn't really leave though, did we?

    The politicians prevented that.

    But the little we have managed to do has been extremely beneficial

    Better and cheaper food from Africa and south America instead of Spain >>and Italy

    Ability to support Ukraine without EU prevarication.

    We know that˙ Labour Liberal and Tory politicians have been told to >>destroy the country to force it back into submission to the EU, but >>Reform will actually reverse that.

    The first thing that needs to go is the slavish adherence to EU energy >>and climate rules, which no one in the EU keeps to. But we do.

    Don't forget the captive bottle caps...

    And the straight bananas:

    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/eur/2011/1333

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Roses are #FF0000, violets are #0000FF
    if you can read this, you're a nerd 10.

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 12:45:56
    On 13/03/2026 11:21, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Any removal of a layer of politicians should be looked on with satisfaction.

    Politicians are a necessary evil that needs to have Occam's Razor applied.

    Perhaps we could call it 'Reform's Razor?'

    "Bureaucracy should not be multiplied beyond necessity"

    There is a huge conversation coming about what government should
    actually do. If anything.

    We pay taxes to people to tell us what we cant do, and supply services
    we don't want, or which would be better supplied by leaving us the money
    we paid to the government to supply them.

    E.g. would you rather have a free school run by the state with a state enforced curriculum, or a government issued voucher, that enables you to
    put your child into private education, more (or less) paid for by the
    state, where if the school is preaching a load of wank you can simply
    remove your kid and place it somewhere else? Or spend a thousand a year
    more out of your own pocket to get a school that really suits them

    I've known two paraplegics - one polio, one car accident - and the 'disability' legislation was almost completely useless .

    They didn't need accessibility building regulations. They needed 20
    grand to redesign their houses and flats so that they had better ramps,
    nearly all storage at ground level - high up cupboards are pointless -
    custom shower rooms and bathrooms etc etc.

    If every builder paid a fixed amount - say ś3k - to a disability fund to
    go to those who really need it, rather than spending ś3k per house on
    'meeting disability regulations' disabled people would be so much better
    off.

    As an employer and employee, there are certainly two kinds of people out
    there in the world.

    Those that come to work, want you to tell them *exactly* what to do,
    *exactly* how to behave, because in the end all they care about is
    getting through life with the minimum of engagement and spending time
    with their families etc. And if you give them a free flat they will be
    happy too.

    Then there are people with curiosity, intelligence and who take pride in
    their skills and who would be insulted if you told them what to *do*.
    Just tell then what you want to be *done* and let them work out the details.

    The problem of government is how to look after the first sort without restricting the second sort. In short how to have a voluntary level of socialism that you can step into if you want to, but can also step out
    of if you feel secure enough.

    One size does not fit all.

    And that's the problem with too much socialism. It costs money, reduces individual freedom, and treats everybody like a mentally deficient moron.

    Likewise what is the point of Law that you cannot or will not - for
    political or practical reasons - enforce?

    To make it seem like you are 'doing something'?

    There are signs that Reform is at least asking the voting public what
    actual sort of government they want, not lying to them and then giving
    them what they do not.



    --
    Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don't work to a problem that doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that
    don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.



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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 12:50:58
    On 13/03/2026 11:33, Max Demian wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 09:23, Julian Macassey wrote:

    ˙˙˙˙Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?


    We didn't *really* leave though, did we?

    The politicians prevented that.

    But the little we have managed to do has been extremely beneficial

    Better and cheaper food from Africa and south America instead of Spain
    and Italy

    Ability to support Ukraine without EU prevarication.

    We know that˙ Labour Liberal and Tory politicians have been told to
    destroy the country to force it back into submission to the EU, but
    Reform will actually reverse that.

    The first thing that needs to go is the slavish adherence to EU energy
    and climate rules, which no one in the EU keeps to. But we do.

    Don't forget the captive bottle caps...


    You know I couldn't give a damn about that, any more than I give a damn
    about straight bananas. Neither are hills I will die on. Plenty of EU legislation is reasonable, and the EU has a right to dictate the quality
    of products it imports.

    We can now sell things in metric and imperial units if we choose.

    And that is the key. We now have the choice. But our *current*
    politicians choose not to exercise it. Because they want to be in power
    but pass all responsibility to the EU. Wankers.




    --
    It?s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. Mark Twain




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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 12:54:30
    On 13/03/2026 11:59, Spike wrote:
    Don?t worry?more than 18 months into the new Labour pro-growth government complete with a Cabinet comprised solely of state-school-educated people, growth is now zero, perhaps in part due to record numbers of NEETs, sick notes, the increases in Living Wage and National Insurance?and more U-turns by the incompetent Prime Minister than can easily be recalled, as his back-benchers have their way. Where would the EU have saved us from this farce?

    The EU is *responsible* for this farce.

    Labour and the Tories both *deliberately* want to destroy this country
    to make it weak enough to need the EU.

    It's all part of the 're-joiner' movement.

    Only one part is offering any alternative...

    ...But they are ahead in the polls.



    --
    ?Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
    atrocities.?

    ? Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles … M. Claparede, Professeur de
    Th‚ologie … GenŠve, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
    M. de Voltaire


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  • From Jeff Gaines@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 14:10:05
    On 13/03/2026 in message <10p117j$30rut$20@dont-email.me> The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 13/03/2026 11:33, Max Demian wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 09:23, Julian Macassey wrote:

    ˙˙˙˙Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?


    We didn't really leave though, did we?

    The politicians prevented that.

    But the little we have managed to do has been extremely beneficial

    Better and cheaper food from Africa and south America instead of Spain >>>and Italy

    Ability to support Ukraine without EU prevarication.

    We know that˙ Labour Liberal and Tory politicians have been told to >>>destroy the country to force it back into submission to the EU, but >>>Reform will actually reverse that.

    The first thing that needs to go is the slavish adherence to EU energy >>>and climate rules, which no one in the EU keeps to. But we do.

    Don't forget the captive bottle caps...


    You know I couldn't give a damn about that, any more than I give a damn >about straight bananas. Neither are hills I will die on. Plenty of EU >legislation is reasonable, and the EU has a right to dictate the quality
    of products it imports.

    Any country has the right to specify what it will import but none should
    have the right to specify our legislation.

    --
    Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
    Captcha is thinking of stopping the use of pictures with traffic lights as cyclists don't know what they are.

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  • From Charles Hope@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 15:15:01
    On 13/03/2026 11:59, Spike wrote:
    Julian Macassey <julian@n6are.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected
    whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.

    Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?

    Don?t worry?more than 18 months into the new Labour pro-growth government complete with a Cabinet comprised solely of state-school-educated people, growth is now zero, perhaps in part due to record numbers of NEETs, sick notes, the increases in Living Wage and National Insurance?and more U-turns by the incompetent Prime Minister than can easily be recalled, as his back-benchers have their way. Where would the EU have saved us from this farce?

    no VAT on private school fees for a start

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  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 15:19:48
    On Fri, 13 Mar 26 15:15:01 UTC
    Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    no VAT on private school fees for a start

    Labour would have found a way to cause as much damage as possible to
    the private education sector, they've been wrecking education since the
    1940s. Read "A Revolution Betrayed" by Peter Hitchens.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 15:57:08
    On 13/03/2026 14:10, Jeff Gaines wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 in message <10p117j$30rut$20@dont-email.me> The Natural Philosopher wrote:

    On 13/03/2026 11:33, Max Demian wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 11:00, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 09:23, Julian Macassey wrote:

    ˙˙˙˙Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?


    We didn't really leave though, did we?

    The politicians prevented that.

    But the little we have managed to do has been extremely beneficial

    Better and cheaper food from Africa and south America instead of
    Spain and Italy

    Ability to support Ukraine without EU prevarication.

    We know that˙ Labour Liberal and Tory politicians have been told to
    destroy the country to force it back into submission to the EU, but
    Reform will actually reverse that.

    The first thing that needs to go is the slavish adherence to EU
    energy and climate rules, which no one in the EU keeps to. But we do.

    Don't forget the captive bottle caps...


    You know I couldn't give a damn about that, any more than I give a
    damn about straight bananas. Neither are hills I will die on. Plenty
    of EU legislation is reasonable, and the EU has a right to dictate the
    quality of products it imports.

    Any country has the right to specify what it will import but none should have the right to specify our legislation.

    Well that is what Starmer May and Sunak have allowed. Via the ECHR, and
    the various 'deals with the EU' which are designed to ensure we cannot
    out compete them by e.g. having a sane energy policy, or a better
    immigration policy, or indeed cheaper labour rates.




    --
    ?The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to
    fill the world with fools.?

    Herbert Spencer


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  • From alan_m@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 19:30:30
    On 13/03/2026 12:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


    You know I couldn't give a damn about that, any more than I give a damn about straight bananas. Neither are hills I will die on. Plenty of EU legislation is reasonable, and the EU has a right to dictate the quality
    of products it imports.

    That legislation was little to do with the quality of the food it
    imports. It was more about excluding products from certain former
    British colonies tat could only grow smaller bananas.

    Much like the classification of other fruit and vegetables that required perfect shape and colour but didn't consider as a result all taste had
    been engineered out of the product.

    BTW, big red juicy early Spanish strawberries are in the supermarkets.
    They taste the same as bottled water!


    --
    mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

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  • From Sam Plusnet@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 20:45:24
    On 13/03/2026 11:21, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 09:23, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
    <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected
    whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this˙ will be an improvement.

    ˙˙˙˙Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?

    I've no idea whether or not in the financial, energy, foreign policy,
    etc areas it's been successful or not. Where it has been successful is
    to remove a layer of politicians. Any removal of a layer of politicians should be looked on with satisfaction. I recommend the poem
    "Siphonaptera" to you.

    If removing a layer of politicians, then by all means start with Reform
    and the 'Tory to Reform' opportunists.

    --
    Sam Plusnet

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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 21:13:42
    On 13/03/2026 19:30, alan_m wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 12:50, The Natural Philosopher wrote:


    You know I couldn't give a damn about that, any more than I give a
    damn about straight bananas. Neither are hills I will die on. Plenty
    of EU legislation is reasonable, and the EU has a right to dictate the
    quality of products it imports.

    That legislation was little to do with the quality of the food it
    imports. It was more about excluding products from certain former
    British colonies tat could only grow smaller bananas.

    Much like the classification of other fruit and vegetables that required perfect shape and colour but didn't consider as a result all taste had
    been engineered out of the product.

    BTW, big red juicy early Spanish strawberries are in the supermarkets.
    They taste the same as bottled water!


    I'll wait for the N African ones.

    Its a delight to be getting fruit from the Cape right now


    --
    ?it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
    (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
    about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
    the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
    'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
    a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
    rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
    things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
    you live neither in Joseph Stalin?s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
    utopia of 1984.?

    Vaclav Klaus


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  • From The Natural Philosopher@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 21:14:13
    On 13/03/2026 20:45, Sam Plusnet wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 11:21, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 13/03/2026 09:23, Julian Macassey wrote:
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
    <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected >>>> whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking >>>> it up.

    Many people think this˙ will be an improvement.

    ˙˙˙˙Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?

    I've no idea whether or not in the financial, energy, foreign policy,
    etc areas it's been successful or not. Where it has been successful is
    to remove a layer of politicians. Any removal of a layer of
    politicians should be looked on with satisfaction. I recommend the
    poem "Siphonaptera" to you.

    If removing a layer of politicians, then by all means start with Reform
    and the 'Tory to Reform' opportunists.

    But they are not politicans. Yet

    --
    ?it should be clear by now to everyone that activist environmentalism
    (or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
    about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
    the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
    'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
    a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
    rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
    things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
    you live neither in Joseph Stalin?s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
    utopia of 1984.?

    Vaclav Klaus


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  • From Ottavio Caruso@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 14, 2026 14:49:22
    Am 13.03.26 um 09:23 schrieb Julian Macassey:
    On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 14:05:01 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/11/2025 13:55, Indy Jess John wrote:
    On 01/11/2025 19:29, Sam Plusnet wrote:

    "Down with the government!"
    is easy to do, but is no qualification for being able to govern.

    Why did I immediately think of Kier Starmer when I read that?

    Exactly. Tories AND labour have focussed all energy on getting elected
    whilst letting the EU and the civil service fuck the country up.

    A Reform victory will allow Nigel and the boys to have a go at fucking
    it up.

    Many people think this will be an improvement.

    Just as the UK leaving the EU has been an improvement?



    Of course it is. The weather is much better without all these white
    Christian Europeans!

    --
    Ottavio Caruso

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