• Schr”dinger's Jock?

    From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, October 12, 2025 15:49:45
    It's Jimbo's birthday tomorrow (73). But he seems to have bean silent
    keyboard for over a year and Googling his call turns up someone on
    facebook earlier this year asking if he's SK.

    So, is he deeeeed? Has he launched his last wave? Done the ultimate
    flounce? Tapped out the fullest of full stops?


    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From brian@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 08:46:24
    In message <ml1tgaFohrlU1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> writes
    It's Jimbo's birthday tomorrow (73). But he seems to have bean silent >keyboard for over a year and Googling his call turns up someone on
    facebook earlier this year asking if he's SK.

    So, is he deeeeed? Has he launched his last wave? Done the ultimate
    flounce? Tapped out the fullest of full stops?


    He wasn't at the Braehead Rally in May. He usually puts in an
    appearance being on his doorstep . Galashiels is on the 26th but he's
    not a frequent visitor. I can't make that one this year.

    With my stalking/genealogy hat on, Scotland's People reports the
    death of a James M Stewart in Paisley age 72 in 2024. Age and middle
    initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero

    However it is a common name in Scotland. There's nothing in the local newspapers.

    It would be a shame. I've met himself and Carol a few times and found
    him to be an agreeable chap.

    Brian GM4DIJ
    --
    Brian Howie

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  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 11:39:40
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 08:46:24 +0100
    brian <nospam@b-howie.co.uk> wrote:

    In message <ml1tgaFohrlU1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> writes
    It's Jimbo's birthday tomorrow (73). But he seems to have bean silent >keyboard for over a year and Googling his call turns up someone on
    facebook earlier this year asking if he's SK.

    So, is he deeeeed? Has he launched his last wave? Done the ultimate >flounce? Tapped out the fullest of full stops?


    He wasn't at the Braehead Rally in May. He usually puts in an
    appearance being on his doorstep . Galashiels is on the 26th but he's
    not a frequent visitor. I can't make that one this year.

    With my stalking/genealogy hat on, Scotland's People reports the
    death of a James M Stewart in Paisley age 72 in 2024. Age and middle initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero

    Last edit of his QRZ page was on 10th August 2024, but of course it's
    hardly compulsory to edit it frequently.


    However it is a common name in Scotland. There's nothing in the
    local newspapers.

    A common name perhaps, but with the same middle initial and in the
    Paisley area with the same age?


    It would be a shame. I've met himself and Carol a few times and found
    him to be an agreeable chap.

    Yes, however we also know that he was on his 2nd liver and it's
    possible that had an effect.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 12:16:32
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 08:46:24 +0100
    brian <nospam@b-howie.co.uk> wrote:

    In message <ml1tgaFohrlU1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> writes
    It's Jimbo's birthday tomorrow (73). But he seems to have bean silent >keyboard for over a year and Googling his call turns up someone on
    facebook earlier this year asking if he's SK.

    So, is he deeeeed? Has he launched his last wave? Done the ultimate >flounce? Tapped out the fullest of full stops?


    He wasn't at the Braehead Rally in May. He usually puts in an
    appearance being on his doorstep . Galashiels is on the 26th but he's
    not a frequent visitor. I can't make that one this year.

    With my stalking/genealogy hat on, Scotland's People reports the
    death of a James M Stewart in Paisley age 72 in 2024. Age and middle initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero

    we must all do what we are best at.....


    However it is a common name in Scotland. There's nothing in the
    local newspapers.

    Good old Jim! He's always liked to leave out a crucial bit of
    information in any puzzle he's presented us with.


    It would be a shame. I've met himself and Carol a few times and found
    him to be an agreeable chap.


    totly..........




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  • From AndyW@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 12:46:36
    On 13/10/2025 08:46, brian wrote:

    With˙ my stalking/genealogy hat on,˙˙ Scotland's People reports the
    death of a James M Stewart in Paisley˙ age 72 in 2024. Age and middle initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero


    Another one bites the dust?
    There are very few URA users left. Is out Chippenham member still on the
    perch or has he fallen off as well?

    AndyW

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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 14:44:23
    On 13/10/2025 12:46, AndyW wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 08:46, brian wrote:

    With˙ my stalking/genealogy hat on,˙˙ Scotland's People reports the
    death of a James M Stewart in Paisley˙ age 72 in 2024. Age and middle
    initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero


    Another one bites the dust?
    There are very few URA users left. Is out Chippenham member still on the perch or has he fallen off as well?

    AndyW

    The Chippenham guy is regularly seen touting his immense PDP-11
    assembler experience and asking questions design to provoke old-timer responses on the RSGB-workshop forum. He's still having a pop at FL's
    but he knows the moderator knows his form and is watching him.

    As for Jimbo... isn't 2024 about the right amount time that STC
    suggested he go toes-up after a liver transplant?


    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 15:25:18
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 14:44:23 +0100
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    As for Jimbo... isn't 2024 about the right amount time that STC
    suggested he go toes-up after a liver transplant?

    I don't know any details about that but a quick Google suggests 83%
    survival rate 5 years after the transplant. Anyone remember when Jim
    went under the knife?

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 19:12:25
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 14:44:23 +0100
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 12:46, AndyW wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 08:46, brian wrote:

    With˙ my stalking/genealogy hat on,˙˙ Scotland's People
    reports
    the death of a James M Stewart in Paisley˙ age 72 in 2024. Age and
    middle initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero


    Another one bites the dust?
    There are very few URA users left. Is out Chippenham member still
    on the perch or has he fallen off as well?

    AndyW

    The Chippenham guy is regularly seen touting his immense PDP-11
    assembler experience and asking questions design to provoke old-timer responses on the RSGB-workshop forum. He's still having a pop at FL's
    but he knows the moderator knows his form and is watching him.

    He's already started hitting the repeat phase of his repertoire; I
    wonder how long it will take for his new audience to notice?



    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 18:28:45
    On 13 Oct 2025 at 19:12:25 BST, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 14:44:23 +0100
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 12:46, AndyW wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 08:46, brian wrote:

    With my stalking/genealogy hat on, Scotland's People reports
    the death of a James M Stewart in Paisley age 72 in 2024. Age and
    middle initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero


    Another one bites the dust?
    There are very few URA users left. Is out Chippenham member still
    on the perch or has he fallen off as well?

    AndyW

    The Chippenham guy is regularly seen touting his immense PDP-11
    assembler experience and asking questions design to provoke old-timer
    responses on the RSGB-workshop forum. He's still having a pop at FL's
    but he knows the moderator knows his form and is watching him.

    He's already started hitting the repeat phase of his repertoire; I
    wonder how long it will take for his new audience to notice?

    I think they've noticed alright - they're just a generally polite bunch of people.

    --

    Roger Hayter

    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 22:03:59
    On 13 Oct 2025 18:28:45 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 13 Oct 2025 at 19:12:25 BST, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 14:44:23 +0100
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 12:46, AndyW wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 08:46, brian wrote:

    With my stalking/genealogy hat on, Scotland's People reports
    the death of a James M Stewart in Paisley age 72 in 2024. Age
    and middle initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero


    Another one bites the dust?
    There are very few URA users left. Is out Chippenham member still
    on the perch or has he fallen off as well?

    AndyW

    The Chippenham guy is regularly seen touting his immense PDP-11
    assembler experience and asking questions design to provoke
    old-timer responses on the RSGB-workshop forum. He's still having
    a pop at FL's but he knows the moderator knows his form and is
    watching him.

    He's already started hitting the repeat phase of his repertoire; I
    wonder how long it will take for his new audience to notice?

    I think they've noticed alright - they're just a generally polite
    bunch of people.


    Quite a few of them encountered our esteemed polymath on this very
    group, back in the day. And it shows, with some of them.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 21:12:36
    On 13 Oct 2025 at 22:03:59 BST, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 13 Oct 2025 18:28:45 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 13 Oct 2025 at 19:12:25 BST, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 14:44:23 +0100
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 12:46, AndyW wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 08:46, brian wrote:

    With my stalking/genealogy hat on, Scotland's People reports
    the death of a James M Stewart in Paisley age 72 in 2024. Age
    and middle initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero


    Another one bites the dust?
    There are very few URA users left. Is out Chippenham member still
    on the perch or has he fallen off as well?

    AndyW

    The Chippenham guy is regularly seen touting his immense PDP-11
    assembler experience and asking questions design to provoke
    old-timer responses on the RSGB-workshop forum. He's still having
    a pop at FL's but he knows the moderator knows his form and is
    watching him.

    He's already started hitting the repeat phase of his repertoire; I
    wonder how long it will take for his new audience to notice?

    I think they've noticed alright - they're just a generally polite
    bunch of people.


    Quite a few of them encountered our esteemed polymath on this very
    group, back in the day. And it shows, with some of them.

    All the more impressive that people largely ignore provocation.

    --

    Roger Hayter

    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 13, 2025 22:28:24
    On 13 Oct 2025 21:12:36 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    Quite a few of them encountered our esteemed polymath on this very
    group, back in the day. And it shows, with some of them.

    All the more impressive that people largely ignore provocation.


    Perhaps they just feel sorry for him.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 14, 2025 16:47:10
    On 13/10/2025 22:28, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On 13 Oct 2025 21:12:36 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    Quite a few of them encountered our esteemed polymath on this very
    group, back in the day. And it shows, with some of them.

    All the more impressive that people largely ignore provocation.


    Perhaps they just feel sorry for him.

    No more likely they find the group useful and don't want to get banned
    as the admins do have some powers unlike on here.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 14, 2025 17:12:21
    On 14 Oct 2025 at 16:47:10 BST, "mm0fmf" <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 22:28, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On 13 Oct 2025 21:12:36 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    Quite a few of them encountered our esteemed polymath on this very
    group, back in the day. And it shows, with some of them.

    All the more impressive that people largely ignore provocation.


    Perhaps they just feel sorry for him.

    No more likely they find the group useful and don't want to get banned
    as the admins do have some powers unlike on here.

    I find it somewhat sad that you think people's normal reaction should be to want to be offensive unless they are constrained by moderation.

    --

    Roger Hayter

    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 14, 2025 20:31:07
    On 14/10/2025 18:12, Roger Hayter wrote:
    On 14 Oct 2025 at 16:47:10 BST, "mm0fmf" <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 22:28, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On 13 Oct 2025 21:12:36 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    Quite a few of them encountered our esteemed polymath on this very
    group, back in the day. And it shows, with some of them.

    All the more impressive that people largely ignore provocation.


    Perhaps they just feel sorry for him.

    No more likely they find the group useful and don't want to get banned
    as the admins do have some powers unlike on here.

    I find it somewhat sad that you think people's normal reaction should be to want to be offensive unless they are constrained by moderation.

    Based entirely on observing what happens when there's no big stick.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 14, 2025 22:54:07
    On 14 Oct 2025 17:12:21 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 14 Oct 2025 at 16:47:10 BST, "mm0fmf" <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 22:28, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On 13 Oct 2025 21:12:36 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]

    Perhaps they just feel sorry for him.

    No more likely they find the group useful and don't want to get
    banned as the admins do have some powers unlike on here.

    I find it somewhat sad that you think people's normal reaction should
    be to want to be offensive unless they are constrained by moderation.


    The problem is Roger, as I am sure you are expecting me to say, that
    once one form of moderation is accepted it inevitably expands to permit censorship by those elevated above the normal user.

    It's why I am opposed to it on principle, even though sometimes it is
    only of marginal effect.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From brian@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 15, 2025 14:15:04
    In message <20251013113940.2ccbe7a7@deangelis.fenrir.org.uk>, Brian
    Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> writes
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 08:46:24 +0100
    brian <nospam@b-howie.co.uk> wrote:

    In message <ml1tgaFohrlU1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> writes
    It's Jimbo's birthday tomorrow (73). But he seems to have bean silent
    keyboard for over a year and Googling his call turns up someone on
    facebook earlier this year asking if he's SK.

    So, is he deeeeed? Has he launched his last wave? Done the ultimate
    flounce? Tapped out the fullest of full stops?


    He wasn't at the Braehead Rally in May. He usually puts in an
    appearance being on his doorstep . Galashiels is on the 26th but he's
    not a frequent visitor. I can't make that one this year.

    With my stalking/genealogy hat on, Scotland's People reports the
    death of a James M Stewart in Paisley age 72 in 2024. Age and middle
    initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero

    Last edit of his QRZ page was on 10th August 2024, but of course it's
    hardly compulsory to edit it frequently.


    However it is a common name in Scotland. There's nothing in the
    local newspapers.

    A common name perhaps, but with the same middle initial and in the
    Paisley area with the same age?

    Yes it all points to him. He shunned radio clubs; too many hammy men .
    I don't think he was in the RSGB , so there will be nothing there. His
    wife was Geraldine , Carol ran the cake shop in Paisley .

    Another bit of info from Scotland's People I have confirms his middle
    name with another record .

    So time to raise a glass of shandy in memory.

    Brian
    --
    Brian Howie

    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 15, 2025 17:07:26
    On 15/10/2025 14:15, brian wrote:
    In message <20251013113940.2ccbe7a7@deangelis.fenrir.org.uk>, Brian
    Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> writes
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 08:46:24 +0100
    brian <nospam@b-howie.co.uk> wrote:

    In message <ml1tgaFohrlU1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> writes
    It's Jimbo's birthday tomorrow (73). But he seems to have bean silent
    keyboard for over a year and Googling his call turns up someone on
    facebook earlier this year asking if he's SK.

    So, is he deeeeed? Has he launched his last wave? Done the ultimate
    flounce? Tapped out the fullest of full stops?


    He wasn't at the˙ Braehead˙ Rally in May. He usually puts in an
    appearance being on his doorstep . Galashiels is on the 26th but he's
    not a frequent visitor. I can't make that one this year.

    With˙ my stalking/genealogy hat on,˙˙ Scotland's People reports the
    death of a James M Stewart in Paisley˙ age 72 in 2024. Age and middle
    initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero

    Last edit of his QRZ page was on 10th August 2024, but of course it's
    hardly compulsory to edit it frequently.


    However it is a common name in Scotland. There's nothing˙ in the
    local newspapers.

    A common name perhaps, but with the same middle initial and in the
    Paisley area with the same age?

    Yes˙ it all points to him. He shunned radio clubs; too many hammy˙ men .
    I don't think he was in the RSGB , so there will be nothing there. His
    wife was Geraldine , Carol ran the cake shop in Paisley .

    Another bit of info from Scotland's People I have confirms his middle
    name with another record .

    So time to raise a glass of shandy in memory.

    Brian

    He did claim to have some non-hammy men ham friends who he spoke to on
    the air. It's a bit surprising none of them reported him slipping off
    his mortal coil and joining the choir invisible if it's true.

    Who is going to tell Ofcom they have a desirable G4 call to put into the system for issue in a few years time?


    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 15, 2025 22:49:20
    On Wed, 15 Oct 2025 17:07:26 +0100
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    Who is going to tell Ofcom they have a desirable G4 call to put into
    the system for issue in a few years time?

    That call only ever had one owner, and it should stay that way IMHO.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.0
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 29, 2025 15:53:59
    On 12/10/2025 15:49, Bernie wrote:
    It's Jimbo's birthday tomorrow (73). But he seems to have bean silent keyboard for over a year and Googling his call turns up someone on
    facebook earlier this year asking if he's SK.

    So, is he deeeeed? Has he launched his last wave? Done the ultimate
    flounce? Tapped out the fullest of full stops?


    He normally used to go to the Galashiels Rally and I didn't see him
    there. OK it's often easy to miss people at larger rallies but Gala is
    not the biggest of venues.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From scole@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 29, 2025 07:15:04
    In article <10civnn$27r1l$1@dont-email.me>, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 12:46, AndyW wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 08:46, brian wrote:

    With˙ my stalking/genealogy hat on,˙˙ Scotland's People reports the
    death of a James M Stewart in Paisley˙ age 72 in 2024. Age and middle
    initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero


    Another one bites the dust?
    There are very few URA users left. Is out Chippenham member still on the perch or has he fallen off as well?

    AndyW

    The Chippenham guy is regularly seen touting his immense PDP-11
    assembler experience and asking questions design to provoke old-timer responses on the RSGB-workshop forum. He's still having a pop at FL's
    but he knows the moderator knows his form and is watching him.

    As for Jimbo... isn't 2024 about the right amount time that STC
    suggested he go toes-up after a liver transplant?

    Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-to.......

    So it goes.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, December 03, 2025 19:50:13
    On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 15:53:59 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 12/10/2025 15:49, Bernie wrote:
    It's Jimbo's birthday tomorrow (73). But he seems to have bean
    silent keyboard for over a year and Googling his call turns up
    someone on facebook earlier this year asking if he's SK.

    So, is he deeeeed? Has he launched his last wave? Done the ultimate flounce? Tapped out the fullest of full stops?


    He normally used to go to the Galashiels Rally and I didn't see him
    there. OK it's often easy to miss people at larger rallies but Gala
    is not the biggest of venues.


    I think the finger gun of fate has fired its final shot in Jim's
    direction.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, December 03, 2025 19:53:00
    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 07:15:04 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <10civnn$27r1l$1@dont-email.me>, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com>
    wrote:

    On 13/10/2025 12:46, AndyW wrote:
    On 13/10/2025 08:46, brian wrote:

    With˙ my stalking/genealogy hat on,˙˙ Scotland's Peop
    le reports
    the death of a James M Stewart in Paisley˙ age 72 in 2024. Age
    and middle initial tie up so he could well have gone 10-zero


    Another one bites the dust?
    There are very few URA users left. Is out Chippenham member still
    on the perch or has he fallen off as well?

    AndyW

    The Chippenham guy is regularly seen touting his immense PDP-11
    assembler experience and asking questions design to provoke
    old-timer responses on the RSGB-workshop forum. He's still having a
    pop at FL's but he knows the moderator knows his form and is
    watching him.

    As for Jimbo... isn't 2024 about the right amount time that STC
    suggested he go toes-up after a liver transplant?

    Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-to.......

    So it goes.

    Yeah, time ticks on for all of us. We're lucky that Burt's body is
    still holding up. He could easily have gone the same way as his more
    successful and more popular older brother.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, December 03, 2025 19:54:30
    On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 22:28:24 +0100
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On 13 Oct 2025 21:12:36 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    Quite a few of them encountered our esteemed polymath on this very
    group, back in the day. And it shows, with some of them.

    All the more impressive that people largely ignore provocation.


    Perhaps they just feel sorry for him.


    Ooooh. That'll sour diplomatic relations with Chippenham.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From scole@3:633/10 to All on Friday, December 05, 2025 12:56:33
    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 07:15:04 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
    =20
    Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-to.......
    =20
    So it goes.

    Yeah, time ticks on for all of us.

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and lived
    the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    We're lucky that Burt's body is
    still holding up. He could easily have gone the same way as his more successful and more popular older brother.

    Poor Old Burt.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.1
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Friday, December 12, 2025 10:21:28
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 07:15:04 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
    =20
    Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-to.......
    =20
    So it goes.

    Yeah, time ticks on for all of us.

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and
    lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    We're lucky that Burt's body is
    still holding up. He could easily have gone the same way as his more successful and more popular older brother.

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz. He's
    battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate change,
    asylum seekers... he's keeping active.


    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on the
    workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Friday, December 12, 2025 12:53:56
    On 12/12/2025 10:21, Bernie wrote:
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 07:15:04 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
    =20
    Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-to.......
    =20
    So it goes.

    Yeah, time ticks on for all of us.

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and
    lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    We're lucky that Burt's body is
    still holding up. He could easily have gone the same way as his more
    successful and more popular older brother.

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz. He's
    battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate change,
    asylum seekers... he's keeping active.


    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on the
    workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Indeed. Perhaps we'll get a name. Or a call. Or maybe he'll stop posting
    there if he is forced to ID himself and refuses. Whichever way it goes
    it may be construed as a win ;-)



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Friday, December 12, 2025 12:58:38
    On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 12:53:56 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 12/12/2025 10:21, Bernie wrote:
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 07:15:04 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
    =20
    Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-to.......
    =20
    So it goes.

    Yeah, time ticks on for all of us.

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and
    lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    We're lucky that Burt's body is
    still holding up. He could easily have gone the same way as his
    more successful and more popular older brother.

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz. He's battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate
    change, asylum seekers... he's keeping active.


    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on the workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Indeed. Perhaps we'll get a name. Or a call. Or maybe he'll stop
    posting there if he is forced to ID himself and refuses. Whichever
    way it goes it may be construed as a win ;-)



    I reckon he'll contact Andy in private and inform him about "National
    security concerns".


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Friday, December 12, 2025 15:22:07
    On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 12:53:56 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 12/12/2025 10:21, Bernie wrote:
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and
    lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    [...]

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz. He's battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate
    change, asylum seekers... he's keeping active.


    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on the workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Indeed. Perhaps we'll get a name. Or a call. Or maybe he'll stop
    posting there if he is forced to ID himself and refuses. Whichever
    way it goes it may be construed as a win ;-)



    A win for whom? MM0FMF or GM4LLD perhaps.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Friday, December 12, 2025 15:26:16
    On 12 Dec 2025 at 15:22:07 GMT, "Brian Morrison" <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 12:53:56 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 12/12/2025 10:21, Bernie wrote:
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and
    lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    [...]

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz. He's
    battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate
    change, asylum seekers... he's keeping active.


    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on the
    workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Indeed. Perhaps we'll get a name. Or a call. Or maybe he'll stop
    posting there if he is forced to ID himself and refuses. Whichever
    way it goes it may be construed as a win ;-)



    A win for whom? MM0FMF or GM4LLD perhaps.

    In my case it would be a win for idle curiosity. But I don't really care.
    After all, the only penalty the persistently anonymous posters have been threatened with is pre-moderation; and the moderators have not yet cracked
    down on tedious boastful reminiscences.

    --

    Roger Hayter

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From scole@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, December 13, 2025 07:24:11
    In article <mq28l9Fk3qbU1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 07:15:04 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
    =20
    Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-to.......
    =20
    So it goes.

    Yeah, time ticks on for all of us.

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and
    lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    We're lucky that Burt's body is
    still holding up. He could easily have gone the same way as his more successful and more popular older brother.

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz. He's
    battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate change,
    asylum seekers... he's keeping active.

    Is he just trolling, or does he actually believe all that old shit? That's
    the thing I could never really get to the bottom of about Burt. Most of
    the time, I figured he was just doing all he could to wind people up, but latter-day/post-Brexit Burt did seem to more go all-in.

    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on the
    workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Burt won't like that, he threw an absolute mental fit when the Exif data
    from those photos he took in his garden on his WankerPhone (tm) came to
    light and almost gave him away...

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From scole@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, December 13, 2025 07:27:17
    In article <mq2hrvFlkcpU2@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 12:53:56 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 12/12/2025 10:21, Bernie wrote:

    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on the workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Indeed. Perhaps we'll get a name. Or a call. Or maybe he'll stop
    posting there if he is forced to ID himself and refuses. Whichever
    way it goes it may be construed as a win ;-)



    I reckon he'll contact Andy in private and inform him about "National security concerns".

    Don't forget, Burt single-handedly beat the Nazis (while still in nappies).

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, December 13, 2025 08:53:36
    On 12/12/2025 12:58, Bernie wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 12:53:56 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 12/12/2025 10:21, Bernie wrote:
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 07:15:04 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
    =20
    Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-to.......
    =20
    So it goes.

    Yeah, time ticks on for all of us.

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and
    lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    We're lucky that Burt's body is
    still holding up. He could easily have gone the same way as his
    more successful and more popular older brother.

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz. He's
    battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate
    change, asylum seekers... he's keeping active.


    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on the
    workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Indeed. Perhaps we'll get a name. Or a call. Or maybe he'll stop
    posting there if he is forced to ID himself and refuses. Whichever
    way it goes it may be construed as a win ;-)



    I reckon he'll contact Andy in private and inform him about "National security concerns".

    It's probably no longer valid but I'll be happy to tell him I had a
    higher security clearance than he had from my days working on making
    sure things that go bang go bang in the correct place.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, December 13, 2025 08:57:44
    On 12/12/2025 15:22, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 12:53:56 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 12/12/2025 10:21, Bernie wrote:
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and
    lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    [...]

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz. He's
    battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate
    change, asylum seekers... he's keeping active.


    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on the
    workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Indeed. Perhaps we'll get a name. Or a call. Or maybe he'll stop
    posting there if he is forced to ID himself and refuses. Whichever
    way it goes it may be construed as a win ;-)



    A win for whom? MM0FMF or GM4LLD perhaps.

    Did you used to work for Symbionics in Cambridge?


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, December 13, 2025 12:23:21
    On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:24:11 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq28l9Fk3qbU1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 29 Nov 2025 07:15:04 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
    =20
    Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-to.......
    =20
    So it goes.

    Yeah, time ticks on for all of us.

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time and
    lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    We're lucky that Burt's body is
    still holding up. He could easily have gone the same way as his
    more successful and more popular older brother.

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz. He's battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate
    change, asylum seekers... he's keeping active.

    Is he just trolling, or does he actually believe all that old shit?
    That's the thing I could never really get to the bottom of about
    Burt. Most of the time, I figured he was just doing all he could to
    wind people up, but latter-day/post-Brexit Burt did seem to more go
    all-in.

    I don't think it's trolling, he does seem genuinely unhinged. If you
    look in uk.rec.cycling you'll see that Burt and Reay have bonded over a
    shared interest in cycling.

    Personally I think that the social media restrictions that are being
    applied to the under 16s should also be applied to the over 70s.There's
    little doubt that online exposure to far right ideologies is causing an explosion in the numbers of radicalised pensioners.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, December 13, 2025 12:23:55
    On 12 Dec 2025 15:26:16 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 12 Dec 2025 at 15:22:07 GMT, "Brian Morrison" <news@fenrir.org.uk>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 12:53:56 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 12/12/2025 10:21, Bernie wrote:
    On Fri, 05 Dec 2025 12:56:33 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mpbiotFpr04U4@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Indeed. Life is short, but Jim seemed to have enjoyed his time
    and lived the life he wanted to, the way he wanted to.

    [...]

    Poor Old Burt.

    Burt's a front line combatant in The Culture wars, these dayz.
    He's battling Muslims, bicycles, the BBC, EVs, Sadiq Khan, climate
    change, asylum seekers... he's keeping active.


    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number on
    the workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Indeed. Perhaps we'll get a name. Or a call. Or maybe he'll stop
    posting there if he is forced to ID himself and refuses. Whichever
    way it goes it may be construed as a win ;-)



    A win for whom? MM0FMF or GM4LLD perhaps.

    In my case it would be a win for idle curiosity. But I don't really
    care. After all, the only penalty the persistently anonymous posters
    have been threatened with is pre-moderation; and the moderators have
    not yet cracked down on tedious boastful reminiscences.


    "tedious boastful reminiscences" that's a bit harsh, Rog. I quite enjoy
    a brag-blog, they're often funny.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, December 13, 2025 12:25:45
    On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:27:17 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq2hrvFlkcpU2@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 12:53:56 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 12/12/2025 10:21, Bernie wrote:

    And Andy's just asked him for his name rank and serial number
    on the workshop group, too.

    Busy times for Burt.

    Indeed. Perhaps we'll get a name. Or a call. Or maybe he'll stop
    posting there if he is forced to ID himself and refuses. Whichever
    way it goes it may be construed as a win ;-)



    I reckon he'll contact Andy in private and inform him about
    "National security concerns".

    Don't forget, Burt single-handedly beat the Nazis (while still in
    nappies).

    Yes, Burt was in the war, but he doesn't like to talk about it.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From scole@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, December 14, 2025 09:57:16
    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:24:11 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    Is he just trolling, or does he actually believe all that old shit?
    That's the thing I could never really get to the bottom of about
    Burt. Most of the time, I figured he was just doing all he could to
    wind people up, but latter-day/post-Brexit Burt did seem to more go
    all-in.

    I don't think it's trolling, he does seem genuinely unhinged. If you
    look in uk.rec.cycling you'll see that Burt and Reay have bonded over a shared interest in cycling.

    Personally I think that the social media restrictions that are being
    applied to the under 16s should also be applied to the over 70s.There's little doubt that online exposure to far right ideologies is causing an explosion in the numbers of radicalised pensioners.

    It's all poisonous, no question, and I've no doubt unregulated social
    media will be looked back on in a decade or two as the stupidest
    self-inflicted mistake we made this century, along with smartphones.

    I do hope that eventually some level of control is brought in to make it
    less easy for kids to have their brains curdled by it all. The age
    verification law for porn sites seems to have worked well enough, non-UK
    sites have adopted it to keep away the threat of fines or geo-blocking,
    can't see any reason why it wouldn't work in the same way for Facebook and
    all the other shit - I'm not saying a determined kid couldn't circumvent
    it, but the majority wouldn't bother and would simply move on to whatever
    the next interesting thing is. The hope, then, would be that the power and reach of these bastard companies becomes diluted and, with luck,
    eventually some of them would go pop.

    No doubt B.Morrison will object because he doesn't want the state telling
    him what to do, though.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, December 14, 2025 18:08:21
    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:24:11 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    Is he just trolling, or does he actually believe all that old
    shit? That's the thing I could never really get to the bottom of
    about Burt. Most of the time, I figured he was just doing all he
    could to wind people up, but latter-day/post-Brexit Burt did seem
    to more go all-in.

    I don't think it's trolling, he does seem genuinely unhinged. If you
    look in uk.rec.cycling you'll see that Burt and Reay have bonded
    over a shared interest in cycling.

    Personally I think that the social media restrictions that are being applied to the under 16s should also be applied to the over
    70s.There's little doubt that online exposure to far right
    ideologies is causing an explosion in the numbers of radicalised pensioners.

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought when I
    was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    It's all poisonous, no question, and I've no doubt unregulated social
    media will be looked back on in a decade or two as the stupidest self-inflicted mistake we made this century, along with smartphones.

    I do hope that eventually some level of control is brought in to make
    it less easy for kids to have their brains curdled by it all. The age verification law for porn sites seems to have worked well enough,
    non-UK sites have adopted it to keep away the threat of fines or geo-blocking, can't see any reason why it wouldn't work in the same
    way for Facebook and all the other shit - I'm not saying a determined
    kid couldn't circumvent it, but the majority wouldn't bother and
    would simply move on to whatever the next interesting thing is. The
    hope, then, would be that the power and reach of these bastard
    companies becomes diluted and, with luck, eventually some of them
    would go pop.

    No doubt B.Morrison will object because he doesn't want the state
    telling him what to do, though.

    You should all take that same view. Government has increasingly been
    about telling people what they should think instead of people deciding
    for themselves.

    All taxation is theft, vote Libertarian!

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, December 14, 2025 18:14:30
    On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 08:57:44 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    Did you used to work for Symbionics in Cambridge?


    Yes, from 1991 until the name changed when we were bought by Cadence in
    1998 and then for Cadence Design Systems and Tality until I left in
    2001.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, December 14, 2025 19:48:07
    On 14/12/2025 08:57, scole wrote:
    I'm not saying a determined kid couldn't circumvent
    it,

    AIUI if a service provider has provided age verification for country A
    and under age people in country A get around the age block for country A
    by using a VPN then the service provider has a get out "we tried to
    protect the children but they cheated and lied so we are not responsible
    for them seeing things they're not mature enough to grok".

    Happy to be proved wrong about this.




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Monday, December 15, 2025 15:10:56
    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 19:48:07 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 14/12/2025 08:57, scole wrote:
    I'm not saying a determined kid couldn't circumvent
    it,

    AIUI if a service provider has provided age verification for country
    A and under age people in country A get around the age block for
    country A by using a VPN then the service provider has a get out "we
    tried to protect the children but they cheated and lied so we are not responsible for them seeing things they're not mature enough to grok".

    There is some evidence that the government/Ofcom want to force
    registration for VPNs. Now, that may be entirely crazy, although not
    unexpected for the hard-of-thought types that inhabit the authoritarian organisations, but it reinforces my opinion that everyone should resist everything that governments try to do on general principles.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From A. non Eyemouse@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, December 16, 2025 20:52:12
    On 15/12/2025 15:10, Brian Morrison wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 19:48:07 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 14/12/2025 08:57, scole wrote:
    I'm not saying a determined kid couldn't circumvent
    it,

    AIUI if a service provider has provided age verification for country
    A and under age people in country A get around the age block for
    country A by using a VPN then the service provider has a get out "we
    tried to protect the children but they cheated and lied so we are not
    responsible for them seeing things they're not mature enough to grok".

    There is some evidence that the government/Ofcom want to force
    registration for VPNs. Now, that may be entirely crazy, although not unexpected for the hard-of-thought types that inhabit the authoritarian organisations, but it reinforces my opinion that everyone should resist everything that governments try to do on general principles.


    Interesting to see how that would work with corporate type VPN links and road-warriors versus those that are marketed to individuals as "privacy
    tools with a side benefit of location spoofing". Particularly to those
    who might want to watch BBC iplayer in Florida.

    --
    Mouse.
    Where Morse meets House.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From scole@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 09:16:26
    In article <20251214180821.1591bb48@deangelis.fenrir.org.uk>,
    bdm@fenrir.org.uk wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    No doubt B.Morrison will object because he doesn't want the state
    telling him what to do, though.

    You should all take that same view. Government has increasingly been
    about telling people what they should think instead of people deciding
    for themselves.

    When has it ever been any different, in the whole of human history?

    All taxation is theft, vote Libertarian!

    I'd love to not pay any tax, but I'd quickly be pretty pissed off about my
    bins not getting collected because the country then can't afford to hire binmen. We don't live in Monaco or some Arab petro-state, we (the people)
    have got to pay our way. Thatcher could have done what Norway did with the North Sea oil revenue and invested it in a State Wealth Fund and our
    country'd be in a better condition than it is now, but she chose to piss
    it up the wall instead.

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  • From scole@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 09:22:35
    In article <10hn49n$1cdmb$1@dont-email.me>, mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 14/12/2025 08:57, scole wrote:
    I'm not saying a determined kid couldn't circumvent
    it,

    AIUI if a service provider has provided age verification for country A
    and under age people in country A get around the age block for country A
    by using a VPN then the service provider has a get out "we tried to
    protect the children but they cheated and lied so we are not responsible
    for them seeing things they're not mature enough to grok".

    Happy to be proved wrong about this.

    Yeah, I'm sure the ISPs will be able to handwave that away, but the
    obvious next step then would be to go after the VPNs.

    If I'm honest, I'm quite comfortable with the State exercising its right
    to restrict harmful Internet content - 20 years ago I would have felt the opposite and would have demanded the Internet be free and open, but the
    whole fucking world has gone to pot since then and the Internet has played
    a large role in that terminal decline. Fuck it.

    Any sites or ISPs or VPNs that don't play ball, geoblock them across the
    board, go nuclear on them with it like they did with The Pirate Bay and
    demand all ISPs block them to hell and back (again, still circumventable (either by fleeting proxies in clearnet or via Tor) but it's a massive
    ballache these days to get into any decent torrent site to grab some TV episodes, I gave up on it years ago - was more bother than it was worth).

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, December 17, 2025 20:21:34
    On Wed, 17 Dec 2025 09:16:26 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <20251214180821.1591bb48@deangelis.fenrir.org.uk>, bdm@fenrir.org.uk wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    No doubt B.Morrison will object because he doesn't want the state
    telling him what to do, though.

    You should all take that same view. Government has increasingly been
    about telling people what they should think instead of people
    deciding for themselves.

    When has it ever been any different, in the whole of human history?

    There was a time when the reach of government was much less and many
    people were fully able to decide for themselves. Post WW2 the situation
    has become much worse.


    All taxation is theft, vote Libertarian!

    I'd love to not pay any tax, but I'd quickly be pretty pissed off
    about my bins not getting collected because the country then can't
    afford to hire binmen. We don't live in Monaco or some Arab
    petro-state, we (the people) have got to pay our way.

    I agree, but the simple fact is that despite the high rates of taxation
    we pay actually in many places the bins are not emptied as they should
    be and the tax raised is not used for the benefit of everyone but is
    instead aimed in ways that are hard to fathom.


    Thatcher could have done what Norway did with the North Sea oil
    revenue and invested it in a State Wealth Fund and our country'd be
    in a better condition than it is now, but she chose to piss it up the
    wall instead.

    Yes, you are correct, and oddly enough I agree with you however what is
    perhaps not all that well-known is how much her own party hated her and
    did all it could to not follow through what were often sensible and well-thought-out ideas. Had they been able they would have rid
    themselves of her before 1979, but took another 11 years to find a way
    of doing so.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 13:16:47
    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:24:11 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    Is he just trolling, or does he actually believe all that old
    shit? That's the thing I could never really get to the bottom of
    about Burt. Most of the time, I figured he was just doing all he
    could to wind people up, but latter-day/post-Brexit Burt did
    seem to more go all-in.

    I don't think it's trolling, he does seem genuinely unhinged. If
    you look in uk.rec.cycling you'll see that Burt and Reay have
    bonded over a shared interest in cycling.

    Personally I think that the social media restrictions that are
    being applied to the under 16s should also be applied to the over 70s.There's little doubt that online exposure to far right
    ideologies is causing an explosion in the numbers of radicalised pensioners.

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought when I
    was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not a good
    guide, to anything, really.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 14:14:10
    On 18 Jan 2026 at 13:16:47 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:24:11 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    Is he just trolling, or does he actually believe all that old
    shit? That's the thing I could never really get to the bottom of
    about Burt. Most of the time, I figured he was just doing all he
    could to wind people up, but latter-day/post-Brexit Burt did
    seem to more go all-in.

    I don't think it's trolling, he does seem genuinely unhinged. If
    you look in uk.rec.cycling you'll see that Burt and Reay have
    bonded over a shared interest in cycling.

    Personally I think that the social media restrictions that are
    being applied to the under 16s should also be applied to the over
    70s.There's little doubt that online exposure to far right
    ideologies is causing an explosion in the numbers of radicalised
    pensioners.

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought when I
    was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not a good
    guide, to anything, really.

    And it does rather depend on what sort of people one mixed with in the 60s and 70s. My experience of those decades definitely differs from his.

    --

    Roger Hayter

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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 15:50:37
    On 18 Jan 2026 14:14:10 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 18 Jan 2026 at 13:16:47 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 07:24:11 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    Is he just trolling, or does he actually believe all that old
    shit? That's the thing I could never really get to the bottom of
    about Burt. Most of the time, I figured he was just doing all he
    could to wind people up, but latter-day/post-Brexit Burt did
    seem to more go all-in.

    I don't think it's trolling, he does seem genuinely unhinged. If
    you look in uk.rec.cycling you'll see that Burt and Reay have
    bonded over a shared interest in cycling.

    Personally I think that the social media restrictions that are
    being applied to the under 16s should also be applied to the over
    70s.There's little doubt that online exposure to far right
    ideologies is causing an explosion in the numbers of radicalised
    pensioners.

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought when
    I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not a
    good guide, to anything, really.

    And it does rather depend on what sort of people one mixed with in
    the 60s and 70s. My experience of those decades definitely differs
    from his.


    Great TV, though: Love thy neighbour, It ain't half hot mum, Are you
    being served, Curry and chips... The good old dayz when you could stick
    the boot into ethnic, religious, or sexual minorities without the
    loony left making you feel guilty about it.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 18:35:19
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought when I
    was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not a good
    guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were of course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't really want to be
    on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour of some of the strikers
    was dreadful even by today's standards.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 08:32:15
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought
    when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not a
    good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were of
    course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't really
    want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour of some of
    the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards.


    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those violent and
    lawless leftists.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 09:42:29
    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought
    when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not a
    good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were of
    course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't really
    want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour of some of
    the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards.


    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons on the
    Internet half a century later? Not.

    --

    Roger Hayter

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 10:17:11
    On 18/01/2026 15:50, Bernie wrote:
    Love thy neighbour

    Nina Baden-Semper. :-)


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 10:31:51
    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought
    when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not a
    good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were of
    course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't really
    want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour of some of
    the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards.


    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those violent
    and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons on the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 10:33:11
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:17:11 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 15:50, Bernie wrote:
    Love thy neighbour

    Nina Baden-Semper. :-)


    Same age as Burt. :-(


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 10:45:49
    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought
    when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not a
    good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were of
    course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't really
    want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour of some of
    the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards.


    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those violent
    and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons on the
    Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    --

    Roger Hayter

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 10:58:17
    On 19 Jan 2026 10:45:49 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought
    when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not
    a good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were of
    course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't really
    want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour of some
    of the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards.


    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those
    violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons on
    the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    Yeah, new year, a break from the past...

    Mind you, it's never worked before.

    I've just finished setting up a printer, and, AND it's working!

    As expected!! Eventually.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 11:09:11
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:58:17 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 10:45:49 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought
    when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often
    not a good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were
    of course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't
    really want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour
    of some of the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards.


    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those
    violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons
    on the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    Yeah, new year, a break from the past...

    Mind you, it's never worked before.

    I've just finished setting up a printer, and, AND it's working!

    As expected!! Eventually.



    Doesn't work with the Brother phone app, though. But, but, the app
    reviews say that's pretty standard. So, it's still a win.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 12:35:08
    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:58:17 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 10:45:49 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought
    when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not
    a good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were of
    course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't really
    want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour of some
    of the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards.


    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those
    violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons on
    the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    Yeah, new year, a break from the past...

    Mind you, it's never worked before.

    I've just finished setting up a printer, and, AND it's working!

    As expected!! Eventually.

    That happened to my once! A definite surprise.

    --

    Roger Hayter

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 12:36:45
    On 19 Jan 2026 at 11:09:11 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:58:17 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 10:45:49 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought >>>>>>>>> when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often
    not a good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were
    of course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't
    really want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour
    of some of the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards.


    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those
    violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons
    on the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    Yeah, new year, a break from the past...

    Mind you, it's never worked before.

    I've just finished setting up a printer, and, AND it's working!

    As expected!! Eventually.



    Doesn't work with the Brother phone app, though. But, but, the app
    reviews say that's pretty standard. So, it's still a win.

    my HP works with an Android phone with no additional software at all; it's eery!

    --

    Roger Hayter

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 13:37:07
    On 19/01/2026 10:33, Bernie wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:17:11 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 15:50, Bernie wrote:
    Love thy neighbour

    Nina Baden-Semper. :-)


    Same age as Burt. :-(

    She wasn't back then then. Ah, yes she was, damn!

    OK, when I was young and she was young she looked very nice. I don't
    know if Burt looked nice back then.

    Burt's giving technical info on antennas on Workshop now. Plus the usual
    Burt stuff based on his years of military experience in the ministry of paperclips. He knows all about Russian hypersonic missiles and how to
    avoid WWIII. I'm surprised he's not been invited onto Trump's Gaza
    committee.

    He's avoided JNT's ban on ham anonymous accounts so far....




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 20:09:38
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 08:32:15 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]
    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often not a
    good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were of
    course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't really
    want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour of some of
    the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards.


    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those violent
    and lawless leftists.

    As I recall, some of the leftists then were in need of some serious
    policing, but I wouldn't want to see any more Blair Peach incidents.

    However, as you may recall, unlimited secondary picketing did no one
    any good.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 09:24:12
    On 19 Jan 2026 12:36:45 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 11:09:11 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:58:17 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 10:45:49 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people
    thought when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often
    not a good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were
    of course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't
    really want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour >>>>>>> of some of the strikers was dreadful even by today's
    standards.

    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those
    violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons
    on the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    Yeah, new year, a break from the past...

    Mind you, it's never worked before.

    I've just finished setting up a printer, and, AND it's working!

    As expected!! Eventually.



    Doesn't work with the Brother phone app, though. But, but, the app
    reviews say that's pretty standard. So, it's still a win.

    my HP works with an Android phone with no additional software at all;
    it's eery!


    I can print a PDF from Cx file explorer on Android, no problem. But my
    new printer has scanner capabilities that I hoped to be able to use
    without firing up a PC, and for that I need the phone app to work.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 09:27:09
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 13:37:07 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 19/01/2026 10:33, Bernie wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:17:11 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 15:50, Bernie wrote:
    Love thy neighbour

    Nina Baden-Semper. :-)


    Same age as Burt. :-(

    She wasn't back then then. Ah, yes she was, damn!

    OK, when I was young and she was young she looked very nice. I don't
    know if Burt looked nice back then.

    He didn't look great in that picture of him from when he was a young, gun-toting trainee spy.




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Roger Hayter@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 09:50:58
    On 20 Jan 2026 at 09:24:12 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 12:36:45 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 11:09:11 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:58:17 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 10:45:49 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people
    thought when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often >>>>>>>>>> not a good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were >>>>>>>>> of course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't >>>>>>>>> really want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour >>>>>>>>> of some of the strikers was dreadful even by today's
    standards.

    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those
    violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons
    on the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    Yeah, new year, a break from the past...

    Mind you, it's never worked before.

    I've just finished setting up a printer, and, AND it's working!

    As expected!! Eventually.



    Doesn't work with the Brother phone app, though. But, but, the app
    reviews say that's pretty standard. So, it's still a win.

    my HP works with an Android phone with no additional software at all;
    it's eery!


    I can print a PDF from Cx file explorer on Android, no problem. But my
    new printer has scanner capabilities that I hoped to be able to use
    without firing up a PC, and for that I need the phone app to work.

    Ok, that does sound harder! Can't you do it from a control panel on the printer?

    --

    Roger Hayter

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 10:03:38
    On 20/01/2026 09:27, Bernie wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 13:37:07 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 19/01/2026 10:33, Bernie wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:17:11 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 15:50, Bernie wrote:
    Love thy neighbour

    Nina Baden-Semper. :-)


    Same age as Burt. :-(

    She wasn't back then then. Ah, yes she was, damn!

    OK, when I was young and she was young she looked very nice. I don't
    know if Burt looked nice back then.

    He didn't look great in that picture of him from when he was a young, gun-toting trainee spy.



    Was that the one with the Harry Palmer thick black plastic framed
    glasses, leather jacket and a Sterling sub machine gun?


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 10:08:44
    On 20 Jan 2026 09:50:58 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 20 Jan 2026 at 09:24:12 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 12:36:45 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 11:09:11 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:58:17 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 10:45:49 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie >>>>>>>>>>>> <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people
    thought when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often >>>>>>>>>> not a good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there
    were of course differing opinions but it was clear that you >>>>>>>>> didn't really want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the >>>>>>>>> behaviour of some of the strikers was dreadful even by
    today's standards.

    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those
    violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with
    loons on the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    Yeah, new year, a break from the past...

    Mind you, it's never worked before.

    I've just finished setting up a printer, and, AND it's working!

    As expected!! Eventually.



    Doesn't work with the Brother phone app, though. But, but, the app
    reviews say that's pretty standard. So, it's still a win.

    my HP works with an Android phone with no additional software at
    all; it's eery!


    I can print a PDF from Cx file explorer on Android, no problem.
    But my new printer has scanner capabilities that I hoped to be able
    to use without firing up a PC, and for that I need the phone app to
    work.

    Ok, that does sound harder! Can't you do it from a control panel on
    the printer?


    I believe so (there's a button marked scan), but I'd still need to get
    the resulting file to my phone. I haven't had much of a chance to play
    with any of it yet. I may yet get the app to work - seems to be a Wi-Fi problem.




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 10:09:49
    On Tue, 20 Jan 2026 10:03:38 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 20/01/2026 09:27, Bernie wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 13:37:07 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 19/01/2026 10:33, Bernie wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:17:11 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 15:50, Bernie wrote:
    Love thy neighbour

    Nina Baden-Semper. :-)


    Same age as Burt. :-(

    She wasn't back then then. Ah, yes she was, damn!

    OK, when I was young and she was young she looked very nice. I
    don't know if Burt looked nice back then.

    He didn't look great in that picture of him from when he was a
    young, gun-toting trainee spy.



    Was that the one with the Harry Palmer thick black plastic framed
    glasses, leather jacket and a Sterling sub machine gun?


    That's the bunny.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bernie@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 11:17:11
    On Tue, 20 Jan 2026 10:08:44 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 20 Jan 2026 09:50:58 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 20 Jan 2026 at 09:24:12 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 12:36:45 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 11:09:11 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:58:17 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 10:45:49 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie >>>>>>>>>>>> <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people >>>>>>>>>>> thought when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are
    often not a good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there >>>>>>>>> were of course differing opinions but it was clear that
    you didn't really want to be on the Grunwick picket line >>>>>>>>> as the behaviour of some of the strikers was dreadful
    even by today's standards.

    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those >>>>>>>> violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with
    loons on the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    Yeah, new year, a break from the past...

    Mind you, it's never worked before.

    I've just finished setting up a printer, and, AND it's working!

    As expected!! Eventually.



    Doesn't work with the Brother phone app, though. But, but, the
    app reviews say that's pretty standard. So, it's still a
    win.

    my HP works with an Android phone with no additional software at
    all; it's eery!


    I can print a PDF from Cx file explorer on Android, no problem.
    But my new printer has scanner capabilities that I hoped to be
    able to use without firing up a PC, and for that I need the phone
    app to work.

    Ok, that does sound harder! Can't you do it from a control panel on
    the printer?


    I believe so (there's a button marked scan), but I'd still need to get
    the resulting file to my phone. I haven't had much of a chance to play
    with any of it yet. I may yet get the app to work - seems to be a
    Wi-Fi problem.

    Just tried the "WI-FI direct" mode where you miss out the home WI-FI
    connecting my phone directly to the printer instead, and it has exactly
    the same problems. Grrrr.

    bloody digital............




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From mm0fmf@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 12:16:42
    On 20/01/2026 10:09, Bernie wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Jan 2026 10:03:38 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 20/01/2026 09:27, Bernie wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 13:37:07 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 19/01/2026 10:33, Bernie wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:17:11 +0000
    mm0fmf <none@invalid.com> wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 15:50, Bernie wrote:
    Love thy neighbour

    Nina Baden-Semper. :-)


    Same age as Burt. :-(

    She wasn't back then then. Ah, yes she was, damn!

    OK, when I was young and she was young she looked very nice. I
    don't know if Burt looked nice back then.

    He didn't look great in that picture of him from when he was a
    young, gun-toting trainee spy.



    Was that the one with the Harry Palmer thick black plastic framed
    glasses, leather jacket and a Sterling sub machine gun?


    That's the bunny.


    I didn't think it was really him but some photo he'd found scouring the intarwebz.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Brian@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 24, 2026 13:15:29
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:
    On 19 Jan 2026 at 11:09:11 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 19 Jan 2026 10:58:17 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 10:45:49 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 10:31:51 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 09:42:29 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 19 Jan 2026 at 08:32:15 GMT, "Bernie"
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 18:35:19 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:16:47 +0000
    Bernie <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 18:08:21 +0000
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:57:16 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    In article <mq545pF44j4U1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    [...]
    [...]

    Far right ideologies. Oh, you mean what normal people thought >>>>>>>>>> when I was growing up in the 60s and 70s.


    Yeah, possibly. "normal people" whoever they are, are often
    not a good guide, to anything, really.


    The sort of people you met pretty much everywhere, there were
    of course differing opinions but it was clear that you didn't
    really want to be on the Grunwick picket line as the behaviour >>>>>>>> of some of the strikers was dreadful even by today's standards. >>>>>>>>

    Yes, thank goodness we had the SPG to protect us from those
    violent and lawless leftists.

    And what fun it would be to debate employment rights with loons
    on the Internet half a century later? Not.


    Oh, c'mon! Where's your sense of adventure?

    I suppose we could talk about Amateur Radio?

    Yeah, new year, a break from the past...

    Mind you, it's never worked before.

    I've just finished setting up a printer, and, AND it's working!

    As expected!! Eventually.



    Doesn't work with the Brother phone app, though. But, but, the app
    reviews say that's pretty standard. So, it's still a win.

    my HP works with an Android phone with no additional software at all; it's eery!


    HP printers, including the multifunction ones, can do ?everything? ( well everything they do) from phones, tablets etc at least under IOS. I would be surprised if they can?t do it under Android.


    We?ve even, with permission, connected to an HP printer in a campsite
    office while in France to print out a copy of a new certificate of
    insurance for Senior Management?s car when it renewed part way through a
    trip. The hardest bit was explaining what we wanted to do with my limited French. I should have used Google translate but, of course, didn?t think
    of it at the time.

    I?m also impressed by their ?automatic ink? service. I use it for both our laser and the multifunction inkjet printer. It may not be the cheapest way
    but it ensures we always have ink / toner available. I don?t do much
    printing these days but Senior Management does for Brownies, craft stuff,
    etc.


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  • From scole@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 13:02:12
    In article <mt4dqdF3j5mU1@mid.individual.net>, Bernie
    <bernie.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 18 Jan 2026 14:14:10 GMT
    Roger Hayter <roger@hayter.org> wrote:

    On 18 Jan 2026 at 13:16:47 GMT, "Bernie" <bernie.usenet@gmail.com>

    Great TV, though: Love thy neighbour, It ain't half hot mum, Are you
    being served, Curry and chips... The good old dayz when you could stick
    the boot into ethnic, religious, or sexual minorities without the
    loony left making you feel guilty about it.

    By 1990, it was a different landscape, with BSB's "Heil Honey, I'm Home"
    sitcom cancelled after only one episode had aired... although I do have
    vague memories of Hale & Pace doing slanty-eyed Chinamen routines which
    must have been into the early 90s? And some of the Lucas/Walliams shit
    from the 2000s is pretty repulsive - their airport show (was it called Airport?) with Matt Lucas in blackface felt racist as fuck even at the
    time in the edgelord turn-of-the-millennium cultural period.

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  • From Brian Morrison@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 14:58:51
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:02:12 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    And some of the Lucas/Walliams shit
    from the 2000s is pretty repulsive - their airport show (was it called Airport?) with Matt Lucas in blackface felt racist as fuck even at the
    time in the edgelord turn-of-the-millennium cultural period.

    It's quite odd that this sort of thing crept through the cracks given
    that all of this was looked down on very heavily even in the late 70s.

    I never found the Little Britain stuff very funny, it was pretty
    unpleasant as you say.

    --

    Brian Morrison "No, his mind is not for rent
    To any god or government
    Always hopeful, but discontent
    He knows changes aren't permanent
    But change is"


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  • From scole@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 15:43:15
    In article <20260131145851.5118c05d@deangelis.fenrir.org.uk>,
    bdm@fenrir.org.uk wrote:

    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:02:12 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    And some of the Lucas/Walliams shit
    from the 2000s is pretty repulsive - their airport show (was it called Airport?) with Matt Lucas in blackface felt racist as fuck even at the
    time in the edgelord turn-of-the-millennium cultural period.

    It's quite odd that this sort of thing crept through the cracks given
    that all of this was looked down on very heavily even in the late 70s.

    David Baddiel was at the blackface bit in the 90s, sending up one
    footballer or another - I can't remember the guy's name, but Baddiel's imperonation of him involved blacking up and putting a pineapple on his
    head - because the footballer wore his hair braided and tied up high. The
    irony that Baddiel rebranded himself as the anti-bigotry Voice Of The Jews
    in the Corbyn-era culture wars has been remarked upon *many times*, which Baddiel spent years either ignoring or trying to handwave away with "It's
    not racist because the point of it wasn't his race" or some such
    horseshit.

    I never found the Little Britain stuff very funny, it was pretty
    unpleasant as you say.

    It was just wasn't very funny is the main problem I had with it - but a
    lot of it was very thinly-veiled bigotry, again hand-waved away with the
    ol' "We're not laughing at the ethnic minorities we're sending up, we're laughing at the racists who think this is funny" or whatever.

    Wankers, the pair of them.

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  • From Brian@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 14:30:41
    Brian Morrison <news@fenrir.org.uk> wrote:
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 13:02:12 +0100
    vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

    And some of the Lucas/Walliams shit
    from the 2000s is pretty repulsive - their airport show (was it called
    Airport?) with Matt Lucas in blackface felt racist as fuck even at the
    time in the edgelord turn-of-the-millennium cultural period.

    It's quite odd that this sort of thing crept through the cracks given
    that all of this was looked down on very heavily even in the late 70s.

    I never found the Little Britain stuff very funny, it was pretty
    unpleasant as you say.


    Back in about 1982 or so - it was around the time CB was legalised- I was introduced to a man who went by the name of Ajax.

    Back then, while people weren?t ?PC?, I certainly would never have used a
    term that was racist and was rather shocked as, at a guess, he was of Afro-Caribbean heritage. However, his wife called him Ajax and, I
    discovered later, so did his mother. I understand, he?d been ?given? this name at school in London - at a guess in the 1960s.

    Where I saw it as having ?offensive? meanings, he had adopted and used it
    with ?pride?. I assume he still does.

    ( For those who don?t recall, Ajax was ( is?) a white cleaning powder.)


    About a year ago, I met up with a former work colleague from my engineering days - we first met in about 1980. We?ve kept in touch on and off over the years. He is a Sikh. We got talking about the ?old days? - wondering about
    what happened to other people etc. He commented, in all his time with the company, he?d never experienced any racism.

    While my, original, home town had very few Asian or Afro-Caribbean. people
    when I lived there, there was a sizeable Yemeni community. There was never
    any friction. Even back then, the Asians were famous for having
    established a number of restaurants on a particular road which are still
    there today.

    My point: we aren?t a racist country. Problems have been stirred up
    recently because people feel threatened by events. Rotherham, the various bombings etc, marches, ?..




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