• Could magnets be used for interstellar propulsion?

    From Jan Panteltje@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 11:57:40
    I was watching some stuff of magnetic field lines in the universe
    that I recoded last week from zdfinfo.de
    https://www.zdf.de/dokus/geheimnisvolles-universum-100
    It seems those are playing a much bigger role in the forming of galaxies and stars and the 'big bang' in the latest research.

    So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
    that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go
    could be used as a simple fuel-less drive?
    Electromagnets should work too of course.

    Any aliens here that have used it?



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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Monday, February 02, 2026 00:41:01
    On 1/02/2026 10:57 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I was watching some stuff of magnetic field lines in the universe
    that I recoded last week from zdfinfo.de
    https://www.zdf.de/dokus/geheimnisvolles-universum-100
    It seems those are playing a much bigger role in the forming of galaxies and stars and the 'big bang' in the latest research.

    So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
    that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go
    could be used as a simple fuel-less drive?
    Electromagnets should work too of course.

    Any aliens here that have used it?

    Earth has a magnetic field, and nobody uses magnets to drag boats or
    aircraft around.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Edward Rawde@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 09:58:42

    "Bill Sloman" <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:10lnl5f$3oefp$3@dont-email.me...
    On 1/02/2026 10:57 pm, Jan Panteltje wrote:
    I was watching some stuff of magnetic field lines in the universe
    that I recoded last week from zdfinfo.de
    https://www.zdf.de/dokus/geheimnisvolles-universum-100
    It seems those are playing a much bigger role in the forming of galaxies and stars and the 'big bang' in the latest research.

    So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
    that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go
    could be used as a simple fuel-less drive?
    Electromagnets should work too of course.

    Any aliens here that have used it?

    Earth has a magnetic field, and nobody uses magnets to drag boats or aircraft around.

    Sure they do. So it's hardly surprising some people believe it.
    It's at 1:17
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LrbTd69iwI


    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney




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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 16:44:13
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)wrote:
    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote or quoted:
    So that makes me wonder if a spacecraft with just a permanent magnet
    that you can move to give you a force in the direction you want to go

    A permanent magnet has a fixed magnetic dipole moment m.

    It would feel a net force F = grad( m B ) in an inhomogeneous
    magnetic field B.

    |Electromagnetic acceleration of permanent magnets 04078 (arxiv.org)
    |by SN Dolya ú 2015

    from there:

    |The force of the magnetic dipole interaction Fz with the gradient of the >|magnetic field can be written as follows:
    |Fz = m*dBz/dz, (1)
    |where m - the magnetic moment per mass unit, dBz /dz - the magnetic field >|gradient.

    However, in nature there are no fields that can be used to accelerate
    a spacecraft this way, so one would have to generate such fields.



    Using this:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=magnetic+filed+liunes+in+galaxies

    gives as first reference:

    Magnetic field lines in galaxies are patterns that represent the direction and strength of magnetic fields, typically following the spiral structure of the galaxy.
    These fields play a crucial role in the dynamics of the interstellar medium and can influence star formation and gas flows within the galaxy.

    ? West Texas A&M University? scholarpedia.org
    Understanding Magnetic Field Lines in Galaxies
    What Are Magnetic Field Lines?
    Magnetic field lines represent the direction and strength of magnetic fields. In galaxies, these lines can be visualized as patterns that trace the magnetic forces at play within the galaxy's structure.

    Structure of Magnetic Fields in Galaxies
    Galactic magnetic fields typically consist of two components:

    Large-scale Ordered Pattern: This mimics the shape of the galaxy, often forming spiral patterns that align with the galaxy's arms.
    Small-scale Random Pattern: This component is generally stronger than the ordered pattern and is more chaotic in nature.
    Measurement Techniques
    Magnetic fields in galaxies are measured using various methods:

    Optical Polarization: Light from stars is polarized by interstellar dust, allowing astronomers to infer magnetic field directions.
    Radio Observations: Synchrotron radiation emitted by cosmic-ray electrons spiraling around magnetic field lines provides insights into the field's strength and structure.
    Zeeman Effect: This method detects frequency shifts in polarized signals from molecules, revealing magnetic field strengths in molecular clouds.
    Observations of Magnetic Fields
    Recent advancements in radio telescopes, like the Very Large Array (VLA), have improved the ability to detect faint magnetic fields in distant galaxies.
    Observations show that magnetic field lines can extend far beyond the visible structure of galaxies, sometimes reaching distances of up to 26,000 light-years.

    Conclusion
    Magnetic field lines in galaxies play a crucial role in their dynamics and evolution.
    They influence star formation and the behavior of interstellar gas, making them a key area of study in astrophysics.

    ? West Texas A&M University
    ? Wikipedia
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    This corresponds with what the zdfinfo.de series, presented by 2 professors, mentioned.
    So yes, there are magnetic field lines in the universe.

    I know you can use 'gravity assist' to speed up spacecraft to reach further away planets for example
    Why not use 'magnetic assist'?




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  • From Ian@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 16:19:54
    Stefan Ram wrote:

    Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote or quoted:
    What are the effects of magnetic field lines on star formation in
    galaxies?

    These natural magnetic fields in galaxies and their gradients,
    I think, are relatively weak. Over long timescales and over larger
    spatial regions, their effects can accumulate and become noticeable.
    But to drive a spacecraft, you'd need fields that are fairly strong
    at the location of the ship and at the moment the ship is there.

    You also need a large _gradient_ of magnetic field. (Unless you have a
    supply of magnetic monopoles :-))

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