• Re: OT: Greenland/Canada

    From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 07:57:25
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:34:49 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 05:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 18/01/2026 6:36 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 08:17:08 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:00:00 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If Trump takes Greenland, I would expect him to take Canada as well.

    Check out Greenland on Street View. There nowhere for a decent golf
    course. DT always starts with bluster and compromises for what he
    wanted. Greenland could lease some bleak peninsula for a US base.

    AI Overview
    +4
    Yes, there are at least two golf courses in Greenland. One is a
    traditional grass course in Nuuk, and the other is a unique snow and
    ice course in Uummannaq, which hosts the World Ice Golf Championships

    It would make no sense to take the former and leave the latter to
    forge closer alliances with China. Canada's PM Carney is hard-core
    Globalist and pudgy-faced supervillain wannabe Klaus Schwab (who can't >>>>> resist boasting about what he's going to do) has gleefully proclaimed >>>>> that he's "penetrated" Canada.

    Let's hope he used protection.

    That makes the country a hostile player
    in the region and Trump cannot be unaware of that. And let's be
    honest: the place could be run a *lot* better without Carney and his >>>>> Davos cronies' meddling.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harsh-truth-about-life-canada-today >>>>
    Two guys on my block are Canadian expats. One was with Tesla from the
    early days so is probably a bilionaire; we babysit his cat when he's
    in our cabin and he just gave us a blueberry pie from Ikedas.

    He had a prototype Cybertruck and I thought "they can't possibly ship
    production units like this" but they did.

    Canada is like the UK and New Zealand, a pleaseant and over-regulated
    place that's good to be from.

    ....but no good to live in. You can also add France, Germany and
    Australia to that list. Funny how they all detest free speech? That's
    because they're all ultimately run by the same entity: the WEF. You
    were as well until Trump came along and ruined the party for them.

    They don't actually detest "free speech". What they do detest are
    irresponsible idiots who try to generate political capital by making
    inflamatory allegations about broad groups of the population.

    Right-wing lunatics don't understand any other form of political
    activism, so they correctly feel that they are being discriminated
    against. Sadly civil society has to discriminate against vandals,
    because if you let them run riot they can wreck the place.

    Trump is doing his level best to wreck the US right now. He's not aware
    that that is what he is doing, but while his ignorance means that he
    isn't as effective as he might be, he's still doing depressingly well.

    He is wrecking the world.

    Maybe the unimportant parts of the world that are not the USA.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Dan Green@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 17:44:46
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:57:25 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:34:49 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 05:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 18/01/2026 6:36 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 08:17:08 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:00:00 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>> wrote:

    If Trump takes Greenland, I would expect him to take Canada as well. >>>>>
    Check out Greenland on Street View. There nowhere for a decent golf
    course. DT always starts with bluster and compromises for what he
    wanted. Greenland could lease some bleak peninsula for a US base.

    AI Overview
    +4
    Yes, there are at least two golf courses in Greenland. One is a
    traditional grass course in Nuuk, and the other is a unique snow and >>>>> ice course in Uummannaq, which hosts the World Ice Golf Championships >>>>>
    It would make no sense to take the former and leave the latter to
    forge closer alliances with China. Canada's PM Carney is hard-core >>>>>> Globalist and pudgy-faced supervillain wannabe Klaus Schwab (who can't >>>>>> resist boasting about what he's going to do) has gleefully proclaimed >>>>>> that he's "penetrated" Canada.

    Let's hope he used protection.

    That makes the country a hostile player
    in the region and Trump cannot be unaware of that. And let's be
    honest: the place could be run a *lot* better without Carney and his >>>>>> Davos cronies' meddling.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harsh-truth-about-life-canada-today >>>>>
    Two guys on my block are Canadian expats. One was with Tesla from the >>>>> early days so is probably a bilionaire; we babysit his cat when he's >>>>> in our cabin and he just gave us a blueberry pie from Ikedas.

    He had a prototype Cybertruck and I thought "they can't possibly ship >>>>> production units like this" but they did.

    Canada is like the UK and New Zealand, a pleaseant and over-regulated >>>>> place that's good to be from.

    ....but no good to live in. You can also add France, Germany and
    Australia to that list. Funny how they all detest free speech? That's
    because they're all ultimately run by the same entity: the WEF. You
    were as well until Trump came along and ruined the party for them.

    They don't actually detest "free speech". What they do detest are
    irresponsible idiots who try to generate political capital by making
    inflamatory allegations about broad groups of the population.

    Right-wing lunatics don't understand any other form of political
    activism, so they correctly feel that they are being discriminated
    against. Sadly civil society has to discriminate against vandals,
    because if you let them run riot they can wreck the place.

    Trump is doing his level best to wreck the US right now. He's not aware >>> that that is what he is doing, but while his ignorance means that he
    isn't as effective as he might be, he's still doing depressingly well.

    He is wrecking the world.

    Maybe the unimportant parts of the world that are not the USA.

    And there's many of them.
    I predict Trump will break from NATO. Just you wait and see.....

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 09:54:25
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:44:46 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:57:25 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:34:49 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 05:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 18/01/2026 6:36 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 08:17:08 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:00:00 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    If Trump takes Greenland, I would expect him to take Canada as well. >>>>>>
    Check out Greenland on Street View. There nowhere for a decent golf >>>>>> course. DT always starts with bluster and compromises for what he
    wanted. Greenland could lease some bleak peninsula for a US base.

    AI Overview
    +4
    Yes, there are at least two golf courses in Greenland. One is a
    traditional grass course in Nuuk, and the other is a unique snow and >>>>>> ice course in Uummannaq, which hosts the World Ice Golf Championships >>>>>>
    It would make no sense to take the former and leave the latter to >>>>>>> forge closer alliances with China. Canada's PM Carney is hard-core >>>>>>> Globalist and pudgy-faced supervillain wannabe Klaus Schwab (who can't >>>>>>> resist boasting about what he's going to do) has gleefully proclaimed >>>>>>> that he's "penetrated" Canada.

    Let's hope he used protection.

    That makes the country a hostile player
    in the region and Trump cannot be unaware of that. And let's be
    honest: the place could be run a *lot* better without Carney and his >>>>>>> Davos cronies' meddling.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harsh-truth-about-life-canada-today >>>>>>
    Two guys on my block are Canadian expats. One was with Tesla from the >>>>>> early days so is probably a bilionaire; we babysit his cat when he's >>>>>> in our cabin and he just gave us a blueberry pie from Ikedas.

    He had a prototype Cybertruck and I thought "they can't possibly ship >>>>>> production units like this" but they did.

    Canada is like the UK and New Zealand, a pleaseant and over-regulated >>>>>> place that's good to be from.

    ....but no good to live in. You can also add France, Germany and
    Australia to that list. Funny how they all detest free speech? That's >>>>> because they're all ultimately run by the same entity: the WEF. You
    were as well until Trump came along and ruined the party for them.

    They don't actually detest "free speech". What they do detest are
    irresponsible idiots who try to generate political capital by making
    inflamatory allegations about broad groups of the population.

    Right-wing lunatics don't understand any other form of political
    activism, so they correctly feel that they are being discriminated
    against. Sadly civil society has to discriminate against vandals,
    because if you let them run riot they can wreck the place.

    Trump is doing his level best to wreck the US right now. He's not aware >>>> that that is what he is doing, but while his ignorance means that he
    isn't as effective as he might be, he's still doing depressingly well.

    He is wrecking the world.

    Maybe the unimportant parts of the world that are not the USA.

    And there's many of them.
    I predict Trump will break from NATO. Just you wait and see.....

    It's certainly time for european countries to pay for european wars.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Gerhard Hoffmann@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 20:56:21
    Am 18.01.26 um 18:54 schrieb john larkin:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:44:46 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
    wrote:

    And there's many of them.
    I predict Trump will break from NATO. Just you wait and see.....

    It's certainly time for european countries to pay for european wars.

    That amount of brain damage: how is it possible to survive with that?
    It must hurt badly.

    It is certainly time for the US to pay for the US wars.


    Less than 5% of peace time for the US in the last 250 years, and
    in the time before that, there was no peace at all. Oh, the
    plaintiffs cannot complain anymore, they have been conveniently
    eradicated.

    For the bible thumpers: read 1Samuel -25. It tells how that's done
    correctly.

    And for the occupiers: Its about time to go home. You never
    protected us, you protected your own interests. We are just a
    bridge head against the Ruzzians, with middle Europe as the
    designated playground for your thermonuclear fantasies.

    Yes, we'll pay more, but to our own companies. Gripens instead of
    the defunct but overpriced F-35s with their remote kill switch.
    Just like the Canadians will do.

    Your biggest car exporter is BMW. Guess how long they will stay
    in Spartanburg with import taxes on parts? Or Audi?

    It's kinda fun to watch that narcissist sock puppet of Putin's
    in the White House (as far as there is still something left of it).
    If he ever develops ideas of his own, all it takes is a 20 minute
    phone call from the Kremlin to put him straight back in line.

    I wonder what material they have on file against him. Given how
    the GDR targeted western managers with with Romeo/Juliet agents
    during the Leipzig Fair, it's more than probable that the KGB
    did the same during the Moscow Trump Tower adventure. Hell, he
    even got premises for it, inexpensively, beautyful, big, gooood deal!

    With his preference for gold, maybe there is more to the rumors
    about Golden Showers in a hotel room? On tape, perhaps?

    Oh, and the Nobel price medal: Goebbels got one, too, from
    a fanboi, in 1943. (Knut Hamsun, 1920 for literature)
    Birds of a feather.



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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 13:26:23
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 20:56:21 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
    wrote:

    Am 18.01.26 um 18:54 schrieb john larkin:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:44:46 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
    wrote:

    And there's many of them.
    I predict Trump will break from NATO. Just you wait and see.....

    It's certainly time for european countries to pay for european wars.

    That amount of brain damage: how is it possible to survive with that?
    It must hurt badly.

    It is certainly time for the US to pay for the US wars.


    Less than 5% of peace time for the US in the last 250 years, and
    in the time before that, there was no peace at all. Oh, the
    plaintiffs cannot complain anymore, they have been conveniently
    eradicated.

    For the bible thumpers: read 1Samuel -25. It tells how that's done >correctly.

    And for the occupiers: Its about time to go home. You never
    protected us, you protected your own interests. We are just a
    bridge head against the Ruzzians, with middle Europe as the
    designated playground for your thermonuclear fantasies.

    Yes, we'll pay more, but to our own companies. Gripens instead of
    the defunct but overpriced F-35s with their remote kill switch.
    Just like the Canadians will do.

    Your biggest car exporter is BMW. Guess how long they will stay
    in Spartanburg with import taxes on parts? Or Audi?

    It's kinda fun to watch that narcissist sock puppet of Putin's
    in the White House (as far as there is still something left of it).
    If he ever develops ideas of his own, all it takes is a 20 minute
    phone call from the Kremlin to put him straight back in line.

    I wonder what material they have on file against him. Given how
    the GDR targeted western managers with with Romeo/Juliet agents
    during the Leipzig Fair, it's more than probable that the KGB
    did the same during the Moscow Trump Tower adventure. Hell, he
    even got premises for it, inexpensively, beautyful, big, gooood deal!

    With his preference for gold, maybe there is more to the rumors
    about Golden Showers in a hotel room? On tape, perhaps?

    Oh, and the Nobel price medal: Goebbels got one, too, from
    a fanboi, in 1943. (Knut Hamsun, 1920 for literature)
    Birds of a feather.



    500 million Europeans [are asking] 300 million Americans to protect
    them from 140 million Russians.

    - Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk

    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Carlos E.R.@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 23:22:34
    On 2026-01-18 18:54, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:44:46 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:57:25 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:34:49 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 05:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 18/01/2026 6:36 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 08:17:08 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:00:00 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    If Trump takes Greenland, I would expect him to take Canada as well. >>>>>>>
    Check out Greenland on Street View. There nowhere for a decent golf >>>>>>> course. DT always starts with bluster and compromises for what he >>>>>>> wanted. Greenland could lease some bleak peninsula for a US base. >>>>>>>
    AI Overview
    +4
    Yes, there are at least two golf courses in Greenland. One is a
    traditional grass course in Nuuk, and the other is a unique snow and >>>>>>> ice course in Uummannaq, which hosts the World Ice Golf Championships >>>>>>>
    It would make no sense to take the former and leave the latter to >>>>>>>> forge closer alliances with China. Canada's PM Carney is hard-core >>>>>>>> Globalist and pudgy-faced supervillain wannabe Klaus Schwab (who can't >>>>>>>> resist boasting about what he's going to do) has gleefully proclaimed >>>>>>>> that he's "penetrated" Canada.

    Let's hope he used protection.

    That makes the country a hostile player
    in the region and Trump cannot be unaware of that. And let's be >>>>>>>> honest: the place could be run a *lot* better without Carney and his >>>>>>>> Davos cronies' meddling.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harsh-truth-about-life-canada-today >>>>>>>
    Two guys on my block are Canadian expats. One was with Tesla from the >>>>>>> early days so is probably a bilionaire; we babysit his cat when he's >>>>>>> in our cabin and he just gave us a blueberry pie from Ikedas.

    He had a prototype Cybertruck and I thought "they can't possibly ship >>>>>>> production units like this" but they did.

    Canada is like the UK and New Zealand, a pleaseant and over-regulated >>>>>>> place that's good to be from.

    ....but no good to live in. You can also add France, Germany and
    Australia to that list. Funny how they all detest free speech? That's >>>>>> because they're all ultimately run by the same entity: the WEF. You >>>>>> were as well until Trump came along and ruined the party for them.

    They don't actually detest "free speech". What they do detest are
    irresponsible idiots who try to generate political capital by making >>>>> inflamatory allegations about broad groups of the population.

    Right-wing lunatics don't understand any other form of political
    activism, so they correctly feel that they are being discriminated
    against. Sadly civil society has to discriminate against vandals,
    because if you let them run riot they can wreck the place.

    Trump is doing his level best to wreck the US right now. He's not aware >>>>> that that is what he is doing, but while his ignorance means that he >>>>> isn't as effective as he might be, he's still doing depressingly well. >>>>
    He is wrecking the world.

    Maybe the unimportant parts of the world that are not the USA.

    And there's many of them.
    I predict Trump will break from NATO. Just you wait and see.....

    It's certainly time for european countries to pay for european wars.

    You forget that it was the USA policy to deprive European of true
    defence capabilities, for decades. The USA did not want competitors.

    --
    Cheers, Carlos.
    ES??, EU??;

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 15:52:11

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 23:22:34 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 18:54, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:44:46 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:57:25 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:34:49 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 05:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 18/01/2026 6:36 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 08:17:08 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:00:00 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    If Trump takes Greenland, I would expect him to take Canada as well. >>>>>>>>
    Check out Greenland on Street View. There nowhere for a decent golf >>>>>>>> course. DT always starts with bluster and compromises for what he >>>>>>>> wanted. Greenland could lease some bleak peninsula for a US base. >>>>>>>>
    AI Overview
    +4
    Yes, there are at least two golf courses in Greenland. One is a >>>>>>>> traditional grass course in Nuuk, and the other is a unique snow and >>>>>>>> ice course in Uummannaq, which hosts the World Ice Golf Championships >>>>>>>>
    It would make no sense to take the former and leave the latter to >>>>>>>>> forge closer alliances with China. Canada's PM Carney is hard-core >>>>>>>>> Globalist and pudgy-faced supervillain wannabe Klaus Schwab (who can't
    resist boasting about what he's going to do) has gleefully proclaimed >>>>>>>>> that he's "penetrated" Canada.

    Let's hope he used protection.

    That makes the country a hostile player
    in the region and Trump cannot be unaware of that. And let's be >>>>>>>>> honest: the place could be run a *lot* better without Carney and his >>>>>>>>> Davos cronies' meddling.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harsh-truth-about-life-canada-today >>>>>>>>
    Two guys on my block are Canadian expats. One was with Tesla from the >>>>>>>> early days so is probably a bilionaire; we babysit his cat when he's >>>>>>>> in our cabin and he just gave us a blueberry pie from Ikedas.

    He had a prototype Cybertruck and I thought "they can't possibly ship >>>>>>>> production units like this" but they did.

    Canada is like the UK and New Zealand, a pleaseant and over-regulated >>>>>>>> place that's good to be from.

    ....but no good to live in. You can also add France, Germany and >>>>>>> Australia to that list. Funny how they all detest free speech? That's >>>>>>> because they're all ultimately run by the same entity: the WEF. You >>>>>>> were as well until Trump came along and ruined the party for them. >>>>>>
    They don't actually detest "free speech". What they do detest are
    irresponsible idiots who try to generate political capital by making >>>>>> inflamatory allegations about broad groups of the population.

    Right-wing lunatics don't understand any other form of political
    activism, so they correctly feel that they are being discriminated >>>>>> against. Sadly civil society has to discriminate against vandals,
    because if you let them run riot they can wreck the place.

    Trump is doing his level best to wreck the US right now. He's not aware >>>>>> that that is what he is doing, but while his ignorance means that he >>>>>> isn't as effective as he might be, he's still doing depressingly well. >>>>>
    He is wrecking the world.

    Maybe the unimportant parts of the world that are not the USA.

    And there's many of them.
    I predict Trump will break from NATO. Just you wait and see.....

    It's certainly time for european countries to pay for european wars.

    You forget that it was the USA policy to deprive European of true
    defence capabilities, for decades. The USA did not want competitors.

    You think so? And how did we accomplish that?

    The US spent fortunes and lives to keep europe from being enslaved by
    germans and russians, and to feed the english and french and germans
    (and japanese) and rebuild from the rubble.

    The US is lucky to have two oceans and two uncontested borders, and
    gigantic natural resources, and to have a mixed-nationality
    population. European countries have always had territorial and ethnic/linguistic conflicts.

    It is shocking how vicious and sadistic the Germans and the Japanese
    were, not just the leaders but the millions of soldiers and prison
    guards. It took unconditional surrender and american occupation to
    civilize them.




    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 16:26:25
    On 19/01/2026 8:26 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 20:56:21 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de>
    wrote:

    Am 18.01.26 um 18:54 schrieb john larkin:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:44:46 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    It's kinda fun to watch that narcissist sock puppet of Putin's
    in the White House (as far as there is still something left of it).
    If he ever develops ideas of his own, all it takes is a 20 minute
    phone call from the Kremlin to put him straight back in line.

    I wonder what material they have on file against him. Given how
    the GDR targeted western managers with with Romeo/Juliet agents
    during the Leipzig Fair, it's more than probable that the KGB
    did the same during the Moscow Trump Tower adventure. Hell, he
    even got premises for it, inexpensively, beautyful, big, gooood deal!

    With his preference for gold, maybe there is more to the rumors
    about Golden Showers in a hotel room? On tape, perhaps?

    Oh, and the Nobel price medal: Goebbels got one, too, from
    a fanboi, in 1943. (Knut Hamsun, 1920 for literature)
    Birds of a feather.

    500 million Europeans [are asking] 300 million Americans to protect
    them from 140 million Russians.
    - Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk

    They aren't. America and quite a lot of Europe are members of a very
    long standing alliance (though Poland only joined NATO recently) which
    binds them to come to one another's defence if attacked by any third
    party (most likely Russia).

    America's military industrial complex has persuaded the US to invest a
    lot in very expensive weapons, and they are using their influence on the
    US government (which is considerable) in the hope of selling some of
    them to European customers.

    Russia isn't a particularly threatening enemy - it's economy is about
    the same size as Italy's, and it has been trying to invade the Ukraine
    for about four years without making much progress. It does have nuclear weapons, but if they employed them they would certainly be destroyed by
    the retaliation.

    --
    Bill sloman, Sydney


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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 16:44:56
    On 19/01/2026 10:52 am, john larkin wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 23:22:34 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 18:54, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:44:46 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:57:25 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:34:49 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 05:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 18/01/2026 6:36 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 08:17:08 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:00:00 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    If Trump takes Greenland, I would expect him to take Canada as well. >>>>>>>>>
    Check out Greenland on Street View. There nowhere for a decent golf >>>>>>>>> course. DT always starts with bluster and compromises for what he >>>>>>>>> wanted. Greenland could lease some bleak peninsula for a US base. >>>>>>>>>
    AI Overview
    +4
    Yes, there are at least two golf courses in Greenland. One is a >>>>>>>>> traditional grass course in Nuuk, and the other is a unique snow and >>>>>>>>> ice course in Uummannaq, which hosts the World Ice Golf Championships >>>>>>>>>
    It would make no sense to take the former and leave the latter to >>>>>>>>>> forge closer alliances with China. Canada's PM Carney is hard-core >>>>>>>>>> Globalist and pudgy-faced supervillain wannabe Klaus Schwab (who can't
    resist boasting about what he's going to do) has gleefully proclaimed
    that he's "penetrated" Canada.

    Let's hope he used protection.

    That makes the country a hostile player
    in the region and Trump cannot be unaware of that. And let's be >>>>>>>>>> honest: the place could be run a *lot* better without Carney and his >>>>>>>>>> Davos cronies' meddling.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harsh-truth-about-life-canada-today

    Two guys on my block are Canadian expats. One was with Tesla from the >>>>>>>>> early days so is probably a bilionaire; we babysit his cat when he's >>>>>>>>> in our cabin and he just gave us a blueberry pie from Ikedas. >>>>>>>>>
    He had a prototype Cybertruck and I thought "they can't possibly ship >>>>>>>>> production units like this" but they did.

    Canada is like the UK and New Zealand, a pleaseant and over-regulated >>>>>>>>> place that's good to be from.

    ....but no good to live in. You can also add France, Germany and >>>>>>>> Australia to that list. Funny how they all detest free speech? That's >>>>>>>> because they're all ultimately run by the same entity: the WEF. You >>>>>>>> were as well until Trump came along and ruined the party for them. >>>>>>>
    They don't actually detest "free speech". What they do detest are >>>>>>> irresponsible idiots who try to generate political capital by making >>>>>>> inflamatory allegations about broad groups of the population.

    Right-wing lunatics don't understand any other form of political >>>>>>> activism, so they correctly feel that they are being discriminated >>>>>>> against. Sadly civil society has to discriminate against vandals, >>>>>>> because if you let them run riot they can wreck the place.

    Trump is doing his level best to wreck the US right now. He's not aware >>>>>>> that that is what he is doing, but while his ignorance means that he >>>>>>> isn't as effective as he might be, he's still doing depressingly well. >>>>>>
    He is wrecking the world.

    Maybe the unimportant parts of the world that are not the USA.

    And there's many of them.
    I predict Trump will break from NATO. Just you wait and see.....

    It's certainly time for european countries to pay for european wars.

    You forget that it was the USA policy to deprive European of true
    defence capabilities, for decades. The USA did not want competitors.

    You think so? And how did we accomplish that?

    Producing your own weapons on a larger scale (and thus more cheaply)
    than any European country could afford, and stifling any attempt by
    Europeans to produce their own by selling them the surplus production at
    price that local manufactures couldn't match. China is doing much the
    same with a much larger ranges of goods today.

    The US spent fortunes and lives to keep europe from being enslaved by
    germans and russians, and to feed the english and french and germans
    (and japanese) and rebuild from the rubble.

    The UK lost more soldiers fighting the Axis powers than the US did. The
    US contributed a lot to the defeat of the Axis powers, but they
    certainly didn't do it on their own - the Russians contributed a lot more.

    The US is lucky to have two oceans and two uncontested borders, and
    gigantic natural resources, and to have a mixed-nationality
    population. European countries have always had territorial and ethnic/linguistic conflicts.

    The US had it's own Civil War (1861 - 1865) and fought it's own colonial
    ware against Spain in 1898. It does have a geographic advantage, but it
    isn't exceptional, despite the US enthusiasm for American exceptionalism.

    It is shocking how vicious and sadistic the Germans and the Japanese
    were, not just the leaders but the millions of soldiers and prison
    guards. It took unconditional surrender and american occupation to
    civilize them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre

    suggests that American civilisation isn't all that deeply embedded either.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 06:13:05
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:

    The US spent fortunes and lives to keep europe from being enslaved by
    germans and russians, and to feed the english and french and germans
    (and japanese) and rebuild from the rubble.

    The US is lucky to have two oceans and two uncontested borders, and
    gigantic natural resources, and to have a mixed-nationality
    population. European countries have always had territorial and >ethnic/linguistic conflicts.

    It is shocking how vicious and sadistic the Germans and the Japanese
    were, not just the leaders but the millions of soldiers and prison
    guards. It took unconditional surrender and american occupation to
    civilize them.

    Civilized?
    Your country is a broken down disaster with thousands homeless sleeping in the streets
    with the highest amount of debt in the known universe and a lunatic ego tripping ape as leader
    now killing humans all over the globe.

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  • From Jan Panteltje@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 06:32:27
    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>wrote:

    500 million Europeans [are asking] 300 million Americans to protect
    them from 140 million Russians.

    Hey shitheads, we are not asking you to protect us!
    You ever did or could.
    You criminals that had the Northstream 2 pipeline blown up,
    started the Ukraine war by provoking Russia, are the SOURCE of wars here, started by you so you can sell your own gas, F35 and other crap, etc etc.
    All CIA plots, SHITLENSKY is a CIA clown.
    Go and save your own drugs addicted mob.
    If you can ? No you cannot!!! War addicts!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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  • From Joe Gwinn@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 20, 2026 18:06:22
    On Tue, 20 Jan 2026 22:36:32 -0000 (UTC), antispam@fricas.org (Waldek
    Hebisch) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 23:22:34 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 18:54, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:44:46 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:57:25 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:34:49 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 05:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 18/01/2026 6:36 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 08:17:08 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:00:00 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    If Trump takes Greenland, I would expect him to take Canada as well.

    Check out Greenland on Street View. There nowhere for a decent golf >>>>>>>>>> course. DT always starts with bluster and compromises for what he >>>>>>>>>> wanted. Greenland could lease some bleak peninsula for a US base. >>>>>>>>>>
    AI Overview
    +4
    Yes, there are at least two golf courses in Greenland. One is a >>>>>>>>>> traditional grass course in Nuuk, and the other is a unique snow and >>>>>>>>>> ice course in Uummannaq, which hosts the World Ice Golf Championships

    It would make no sense to take the former and leave the latter to >>>>>>>>>>> forge closer alliances with China. Canada's PM Carney is hard-core >>>>>>>>>>> Globalist and pudgy-faced supervillain wannabe Klaus Schwab (who can't
    resist boasting about what he's going to do) has gleefully proclaimed
    that he's "penetrated" Canada.

    Let's hope he used protection.

    That makes the country a hostile player
    in the region and Trump cannot be unaware of that. And let's be >>>>>>>>>>> honest: the place could be run a *lot* better without Carney and his
    Davos cronies' meddling.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harsh-truth-about-life-canada-today

    Two guys on my block are Canadian expats. One was with Tesla from the
    early days so is probably a bilionaire; we babysit his cat when he's >>>>>>>>>> in our cabin and he just gave us a blueberry pie from Ikedas. >>>>>>>>>>
    He had a prototype Cybertruck and I thought "they can't possibly ship
    production units like this" but they did.

    Canada is like the UK and New Zealand, a pleaseant and over-regulated
    place that's good to be from.

    ....but no good to live in. You can also add France, Germany and >>>>>>>>> Australia to that list. Funny how they all detest free speech? That's >>>>>>>>> because they're all ultimately run by the same entity: the WEF. You >>>>>>>>> were as well until Trump came along and ruined the party for them. >>>>>>>>
    They don't actually detest "free speech". What they do detest are >>>>>>>> irresponsible idiots who try to generate political capital by making >>>>>>>> inflamatory allegations about broad groups of the population.

    Right-wing lunatics don't understand any other form of political >>>>>>>> activism, so they correctly feel that they are being discriminated >>>>>>>> against. Sadly civil society has to discriminate against vandals, >>>>>>>> because if you let them run riot they can wreck the place.

    Trump is doing his level best to wreck the US right now. He's not aware
    that that is what he is doing, but while his ignorance means that he >>>>>>>> isn't as effective as he might be, he's still doing depressingly well. >>>>>>>
    He is wrecking the world.

    Maybe the unimportant parts of the world that are not the USA.

    And there's many of them.
    I predict Trump will break from NATO. Just you wait and see.....

    It's certainly time for european countries to pay for european wars.

    You forget that it was the USA policy to deprive European of true >>>defence capabilities, for decades. The USA did not want competitors.

    You think so? And how did we accomplish that?

    Not so long ago my county wanted to buy fighter planes. There
    were two possible offers: European made Gripen and F-16 from US.
    Gripens were cheaper and adequate for defence. F-16 were
    more expensive but better for offensive actions. Initially
    my county wanted to choose Gripens (F-16 were deemed too
    expensive).

    Hmm. What is the difference between fighter airplane intended for
    offense and one intended for defense? Aren't these use cases, not
    inherent properties?

    A weapon is a weapon, and some weapons are better than others. Old
    saying: The best defense is a good offense. Why? Because the
    attacker chooses and develops weapons having prepared for what the
    defense has. Defense is inherently harder than offense.

    Then there is the matter of technology. In the extreme of sticking to
    the tried and true, one ends up bringing a knife to a gunfight.

    Ukraine is the poster child for that.


    But there were strong political push from US
    basically saying "if you want to be our ally you must buy F-16".
    And that worked.

    As it should for NATO forces - the major items are necessarily
    standardized, so the combined forces are stronger than that of any
    individual force, versus weaker because the individual forces are
    unable to act as if they were one very big nation with a military to
    match.

    Joe





    BTW, this is not limited to weapons. After fall of communism
    shops were allowed to operate on Sundays and it was a big deal
    for shops (especially big markets) as on Sundays days people had
    more time for shopping than on workdays. Later, another government
    decided forbid Sunday shopping. US company owning a shopping
    chain did not like it. US ambassador talked to our polticians
    and we got new law: Sunday shopping was forbidden in shopping
    chains, except when the chain satisfied special condition.
    The condition did not say that only US owned chains can
    operate, but it was the effect: only the US owned chain
    satisfied the condition.

    The US spent fortunes and lives to keep europe from being enslaved by
    germans and russians, and to feed the english and french and germans
    (and japanese) and rebuild from the rubble.

    You write it as US did a favour to Europe. US did it for its
    self-interest and got rich in the process. In WW I US banks
    lent a lot of money to Great Britain and France so that they
    could buy american goods (probably mostly weapons). Anyway,
    that money was going back to US. But around 1916 Great Britain
    and France exceeded all reasonable credit limits and there
    was risk they they will default and loose the war. Of
    course Germans would not pay French and Britsh debts. So
    US decided to come to Europe to defend its money. US
    taxpayers had to pay and ordinary people were sent to fight
    (and some died). But big winner was US capital, they earned
    a lot of money and for long time Britsh and French had to
    pay back to US banks.

    In WW II US banks were limited by law. Instead US government
    run "lend and lease" program. US wanted to curb Japanese
    influence, so they introduced harsh sanctions (like cutting
    of Japanese access to oil). So Japanese attacked: that was
    US war having almost no connection to Europe. It was quite
    likely that this time US would not get involed in Europe,
    but Hitler miscalculated strength of relevant countries
    and decided to attack. Again, US taxpayers payed and
    money went to US business. US won influence and access to
    markets. And while did not request pay for equipment lost
    fighting with Japanese and Germans, they required payment
    for what remainded operational after the war. So again
    the effect was big money transfer to US.

    Concerning lives, my country which is much smaller than US
    lost more soldiers than US and some of haviest US losses
    were against Japan. No wander that US government thought
    that losses are acceptable given risk posed by German and
    Japenase influence.

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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 21, 2026 15:33:36
    On 21/01/2026 10:06 am, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Jan 2026 22:36:32 -0000 (UTC), antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) wrote:

    john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 23:22:34 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 18:54, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:44:46 +0000, Dan Green <dhg99908@hotmail.se>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:57:25 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 13:34:49 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
    <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

    On 2026-01-18 05:13, Bill Sloman wrote:
    On 18/01/2026 6:36 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 08:17:08 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 13:00:00 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    <snip>

    Hmm. What is the difference between fighter airplane intended for
    offense and one intended for defense? Aren't these use cases, not
    inherent properties?

    The English Electric P1 Lightening fighter was intended for point
    defence and had two jet engine stack in the fuselage giving it enough
    thrust to climb vertically for a couple of miles faster than the speed
    of sound.

    It had very little range. That was a inherent property, intend to
    optimise it's performance when used in defence.

    A weapon is a weapon, and some weapons are better than others. Old
    saying: The best defense is a good offense. Why? Because the
    attacker chooses and develops weapons having prepared for what the
    defense has. Defense is inherently harder than offense.

    Then there is the matter of technology. In the extreme of sticking to
    the tried and true, one ends up bringing a knife to a gunfight.

    Ukraine is the poster child for that.

    Scarcely. The Russians started their formal invasion with the tried and
    true columns of tanks, and he Ukranians chewed them up with cheap armed drones. The Russians ended up buying drone from Iran to compete.

    But there were strong political push from US
    basically saying "if you want to be our ally you must buy F-16".
    And that worked.

    As it should for NATO forces - the major items are necessarily
    standardized, so the combined forces are stronger than that of any
    individual force, versus weaker because the individual forces are
    unable to act as if they were one very big nation with a military to
    match.

    This assumes that a big nation will have cost effective weapons.

    Mary Kakdor's 1981 book'

    https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/2805310-the-baroque-arsenal

    argued that the US and Russia had elaborate and expensive - baroque -
    weapons where simpler weapons (and more of them) could have been more cost-effective.

    --
    Bill Sloman Sydney



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