• Re: microplastics

    From Cursitor Doom@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 17:55:54
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:45:28 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 15:54:40 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 5:17 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 04:13:41 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 2:59 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 02:32:24 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:

    On 17/01/2026 11:44 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 08:55:14 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>> wrote:


    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/13/microplastics-human-body-doubt

    I suspected that the microplastics panic was mostly bogus. It didn't >>>>>>>> make sense.

    I never bought into that BS, either. Plastics are constituted from >>>>>>> very stable and unreactive species of molecules, so what harm are they >>>>>>> going to do?

    Plastics are constituted from all kinds of chemicals. Polyethylene and >>>>>> polypropylene are about as unreactive as they come, but they can still burn.

    Teflon - polytetrafluoroethylene - won't even do that. Polyamide and >>>>>> polyurethanes are less innoccuous.

    My food waste bags are made of a plastic that bugs can actually digest. >>>>>> In the late 1980's I knew a graduate student who was doing a Ph.D. on >>>>>> concocting that kind of plastic - her husband was writing software for >>>>>> the real time operating system that ran our electron beam tester.

    John Larkin boasts that he skipped most of his chemistry lectures at >>>>>> Tulane, and I can believe it.

    I didn't skip chem classes. I just thought they were boring.

    If you don't understand what you are being taught, you can find it
    boring. My parents both had university degrees in chemistry, so I did
    understand what I was being taught, and went on to get a Ph.D. in
    physical chemistry. I did develop an interest in electronics along the >>>> way, and found that even more interesting

    I got A's. >
    Or is it As?

    I'd write "A's". I don't think it is any kind of possessive apostrophe - >>>> just a spacer. What your grades seem to mean is that Tulane didn't set >>>> very high standards.

    First year chemistry isn't all that demanding.

    Some public universities use Chem 101 as a washout course, to get rid
    of the losers fast.

    It tends to be required for pretty much every science degree. First year >>chemistry classes at Melbourne were huge. And there were lots of them >>running in parallel. Because I'd done my secondary education in Tasmania >>rather than Victoria, I got stuck in one of the classes with the people >>who hadn't done well in the Victorian secondary system. It didn't stop
    me doing well in the first year exams.

    It's not very demanding, nor very interesting. It's basically an IQ
    test.

    The virtue of an IQ test is that it doesn't take much preparation or
    need much marking. Their vice is that they don't tell you much.

    A proper chemistry course involves giving some thirty lectures spread
    over a year, and as many practical classes, which have to be closely >>supervised.

    There's quite a lot of content.

    1st year chem was called "Betty Crocker Chemistry" because you only
    had to follow recipes to get a passing grade.


    Obviously you'll encounter the occasional old fool like Bill Sloman
    who doesn't know that *practice* for IQ tests really yields dividends.
    A mediocre student can gain a respectable score if he takes the time
    and trouble to run through a book of such questions prior to taking
    the test. Time is critical for points, and practicing enables one to
    get much faster at answering these kind of questions.

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  • From john larkin@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 10:57:26
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:55:54 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:45:28 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 15:54:40 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 5:17 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 04:13:41 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 2:59 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 02:32:24 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 17/01/2026 11:44 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 08:55:14 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:


    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/13/microplastics-human-body-doubt

    I suspected that the microplastics panic was mostly bogus. It didn't >>>>>>>>> make sense.

    I never bought into that BS, either. Plastics are constituted from >>>>>>>> very stable and unreactive species of molecules, so what harm are they >>>>>>>> going to do?

    Plastics are constituted from all kinds of chemicals. Polyethylene and >>>>>>> polypropylene are about as unreactive as they come, but they can still burn.

    Teflon - polytetrafluoroethylene - won't even do that. Polyamide and >>>>>>> polyurethanes are less innoccuous.

    My food waste bags are made of a plastic that bugs can actually digest. >>>>>>> In the late 1980's I knew a graduate student who was doing a Ph.D. on >>>>>>> concocting that kind of plastic - her husband was writing software for >>>>>>> the real time operating system that ran our electron beam tester. >>>>>>>
    John Larkin boasts that he skipped most of his chemistry lectures at >>>>>>> Tulane, and I can believe it.

    I didn't skip chem classes. I just thought they were boring.

    If you don't understand what you are being taught, you can find it
    boring. My parents both had university degrees in chemistry, so I did >>>>> understand what I was being taught, and went on to get a Ph.D. in
    physical chemistry. I did develop an interest in electronics along the >>>>> way, and found that even more interesting

    I got A's. >
    Or is it As?

    I'd write "A's". I don't think it is any kind of possessive apostrophe - >>>>> just a spacer. What your grades seem to mean is that Tulane didn't set >>>>> very high standards.

    First year chemistry isn't all that demanding.

    Some public universities use Chem 101 as a washout course, to get rid
    of the losers fast.

    It tends to be required for pretty much every science degree. First year >>>chemistry classes at Melbourne were huge. And there were lots of them >>>running in parallel. Because I'd done my secondary education in Tasmania >>>rather than Victoria, I got stuck in one of the classes with the people >>>who hadn't done well in the Victorian secondary system. It didn't stop >>>me doing well in the first year exams.

    It's not very demanding, nor very interesting. It's basically an IQ
    test.

    The virtue of an IQ test is that it doesn't take much preparation or >>>need much marking. Their vice is that they don't tell you much.

    A proper chemistry course involves giving some thirty lectures spread >>>over a year, and as many practical classes, which have to be closely >>>supervised.

    There's quite a lot of content.

    1st year chem was called "Betty Crocker Chemistry" because you only
    had to follow recipes to get a passing grade.


    Obviously you'll encounter the occasional old fool like Bill Sloman
    who doesn't know that *practice* for IQ tests really yields dividends.
    A mediocre student can gain a respectable score if he takes the time
    and trouble to run through a book of such questions prior to taking
    the test. Time is critical for points, and practicing enables one to
    get much faster at answering these kind of questions.

    I took the SATs four times, and last time I left early (pissed off the
    other kids) and scored 800 on the math and 720 on verbal.

    One recognizes patterns in the questions.


    John Larkin
    Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center
    Lunatic Fringe Electronics

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  • From Joe Gwinn@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, January 18, 2026 17:33:42
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 10:57:26 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 17:55:54 +0000, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:45:28 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 15:54:40 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 5:17 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 04:13:41 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 2:59 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 02:32:24 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On 17/01/2026 11:44 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 08:55:14 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:


    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/13/microplastics-human-body-doubt

    I suspected that the microplastics panic was mostly bogus. It didn't >>>>>>>>>> make sense.

    I never bought into that BS, either. Plastics are constituted from >>>>>>>>> very stable and unreactive species of molecules, so what harm are they
    going to do?

    Plastics are constituted from all kinds of chemicals. Polyethylene and >>>>>>>> polypropylene are about as unreactive as they come, but they can still burn.

    Teflon - polytetrafluoroethylene - won't even do that. Polyamide and >>>>>>>> polyurethanes are less innoccuous.

    My food waste bags are made of a plastic that bugs can actually digest.
    In the late 1980's I knew a graduate student who was doing a Ph.D. on >>>>>>>> concocting that kind of plastic - her husband was writing software for >>>>>>>> the real time operating system that ran our electron beam tester. >>>>>>>>
    John Larkin boasts that he skipped most of his chemistry lectures at >>>>>>>> Tulane, and I can believe it.

    I didn't skip chem classes. I just thought they were boring.

    If you don't understand what you are being taught, you can find it >>>>>> boring. My parents both had university degrees in chemistry, so I did >>>>>> understand what I was being taught, and went on to get a Ph.D. in
    physical chemistry. I did develop an interest in electronics along the >>>>>> way, and found that even more interesting

    I got A's. >
    Or is it As?

    I'd write "A's". I don't think it is any kind of possessive apostrophe - >>>>>> just a spacer. What your grades seem to mean is that Tulane didn't set >>>>>> very high standards.

    First year chemistry isn't all that demanding.

    Some public universities use Chem 101 as a washout course, to get rid >>>>> of the losers fast.

    It tends to be required for pretty much every science degree. First year >>>>chemistry classes at Melbourne were huge. And there were lots of them >>>>running in parallel. Because I'd done my secondary education in Tasmania >>>>rather than Victoria, I got stuck in one of the classes with the people >>>>who hadn't done well in the Victorian secondary system. It didn't stop >>>>me doing well in the first year exams.

    It's not very demanding, nor very interesting. It's basically an IQ
    test.

    The virtue of an IQ test is that it doesn't take much preparation or >>>>need much marking. Their vice is that they don't tell you much.

    A proper chemistry course involves giving some thirty lectures spread >>>>over a year, and as many practical classes, which have to be closely >>>>supervised.

    There's quite a lot of content.

    1st year chem was called "Betty Crocker Chemistry" because you only
    had to follow recipes to get a passing grade.


    Obviously you'll encounter the occasional old fool like Bill Sloman
    who doesn't know that *practice* for IQ tests really yields dividends.
    A mediocre student can gain a respectable score if he takes the time
    and trouble to run through a book of such questions prior to taking
    the test. Time is critical for points, and practicing enables one to
    get much faster at answering these kind of questions.

    I took the SATs four times, and last time I left early (pissed off the
    other kids) and scored 800 on the math and 720 on verbal.

    One recognizes patterns in the questions.

    If only you hadn't been playing with quicksilver....

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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 17:02:24
    On 19/01/2026 2:45 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 15:54:40 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 5:17 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 04:13:41 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 2:59 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 02:32:24 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>> wrote:

    On 17/01/2026 11:44 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 08:55:14 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>> wrote:


    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/13/microplastics-human-body-doubt

    I suspected that the microplastics panic was mostly bogus. It didn't >>>>>>>> make sense.

    I never bought into that BS, either. Plastics are constituted from >>>>>>> very stable and unreactive species of molecules, so what harm are they >>>>>>> going to do?

    Plastics are constituted from all kinds of chemicals. Polyethylene and >>>>>> polypropylene are about as unreactive as they come, but they can still burn.

    Teflon - polytetrafluoroethylene - won't even do that. Polyamide and >>>>>> polyurethanes are less innoccuous.

    My food waste bags are made of a plastic that bugs can actually digest. >>>>>> In the late 1980's I knew a graduate student who was doing a Ph.D. on >>>>>> concocting that kind of plastic - her husband was writing software for >>>>>> the real time operating system that ran our electron beam tester.

    John Larkin boasts that he skipped most of his chemistry lectures at >>>>>> Tulane, and I can believe it.

    I didn't skip chem classes. I just thought they were boring.

    If you don't understand what you are being taught, you can find it
    boring. My parents both had university degrees in chemistry, so I did
    understand what I was being taught, and went on to get a Ph.D. in
    physical chemistry. I did develop an interest in electronics along the >>>> way, and found that even more interesting

    I got A's. >
    Or is it As?

    I'd write "A's". I don't think it is any kind of possessive apostrophe - >>>> just a spacer. What your grades seem to mean is that Tulane didn't set >>>> very high standards.

    First year chemistry isn't all that demanding.

    Some public universities use Chem 101 as a washout course, to get rid
    of the losers fast.

    It tends to be required for pretty much every science degree. First year
    chemistry classes at Melbourne were huge. And there were lots of them
    running in parallel. Because I'd done my secondary education in Tasmania
    rather than Victoria, I got stuck in one of the classes with the people
    who hadn't done well in the Victorian secondary system. It didn't stop
    me doing well in the first year exams.

    It's not very demanding, nor very interesting. It's basically an IQ
    test.

    The virtue of an IQ test is that it doesn't take much preparation or
    need much marking. Their vice is that they don't tell you much.

    A proper chemistry course involves giving some thirty lectures spread
    over a year, and as many practical classes, which have to be closely
    supervised.

    There's quite a lot of content.

    1st year chem was called "Betty Crocker Chemistry" because you only
    had to follow recipes to get a passing grade.

    But quite a few people can't manage even that. I messed up a second
    years practical chemistry experiment because I followed the recipe
    exactly - and it was wrong. We were making copper ammonium hexahydrate crystals, by making up a concentrated aqueous solution and getting the crystals to precipitate out by adding ethanol. The recipe said add the
    alcohol dropwise, and that produces a blue sludge of very fine crystals.

    Pouring in the alcohol rapidly produces the large blue crystals that
    everybody wants. When I talked to my parents about it they both knew
    exactly what I was talking about - the crystals are used in some
    paper-making quality control tests and they had both made batches of them.

    The lecturer who had written the practical course recipe wasn't all that clever.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney




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  • From Bill Sloman@3:633/10 to All on Monday, January 19, 2026 17:41:26
    On 19/01/2026 4:55 am, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 07:45:28 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 15:54:40 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
    wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 5:17 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 04:13:41 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>> wrote:

    On 18/01/2026 2:59 am, john larkin wrote:
    On Sun, 18 Jan 2026 02:32:24 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 17/01/2026 11:44 pm, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 08:55:14 -0800, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:


    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/jan/13/microplastics-human-body-doubt

    I suspected that the microplastics panic was mostly bogus. It didn't >>>>>>>>> make sense.

    I never bought into that BS, either. Plastics are constituted from >>>>>>>> very stable and unreactive species of molecules, so what harm are they >>>>>>>> going to do?

    Plastics are constituted from all kinds of chemicals. Polyethylene and >>>>>>> polypropylene are about as unreactive as they come, but they can still burn.

    Teflon - polytetrafluoroethylene - won't even do that. Polyamide and >>>>>>> polyurethanes are less innoccuous.

    My food waste bags are made of a plastic that bugs can actually digest. >>>>>>> In the late 1980's I knew a graduate student who was doing a Ph.D. on >>>>>>> concocting that kind of plastic - her husband was writing software for >>>>>>> the real time operating system that ran our electron beam tester. >>>>>>>
    John Larkin boasts that he skipped most of his chemistry lectures at >>>>>>> Tulane, and I can believe it.

    I didn't skip chem classes. I just thought they were boring.

    If you don't understand what you are being taught, you can find it
    boring. My parents both had university degrees in chemistry, so I did >>>>> understand what I was being taught, and went on to get a Ph.D. in
    physical chemistry. I did develop an interest in electronics along the >>>>> way, and found that even more interesting

    I got A's. >
    Or is it As?

    I'd write "A's". I don't think it is any kind of possessive apostrophe - >>>>> just a spacer. What your grades seem to mean is that Tulane didn't set >>>>> very high standards.

    First year chemistry isn't all that demanding.

    Some public universities use Chem 101 as a washout course, to get rid
    of the losers fast.

    It tends to be required for pretty much every science degree. First year >>> chemistry classes at Melbourne were huge. And there were lots of them
    running in parallel. Because I'd done my secondary education in Tasmania >>> rather than Victoria, I got stuck in one of the classes with the people
    who hadn't done well in the Victorian secondary system. It didn't stop
    me doing well in the first year exams.

    It's not very demanding, nor very interesting. It's basically an IQ
    test.

    The virtue of an IQ test is that it doesn't take much preparation or
    need much marking. Their vice is that they don't tell you much.

    A proper chemistry course involves giving some thirty lectures spread
    over a year, and as many practical classes, which have to be closely
    supervised.

    There's quite a lot of content.

    1st year chem was called "Betty Crocker Chemistry" because you only
    had to follow recipes to get a passing grade.


    Obviously you'll encounter the occasional old fool like Bill Sloman
    who doesn't know that *practice* for IQ tests really yields dividends.

    Everybody knows that people who are familiar with IQ tests do better on
    then. There are "culture-free" IQ tests which are designed to be less influenced by the cultural background of the test subjects than the
    original Stanford-Binet IQ tests were

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford%E2%80%93Binet_Intelligence_Scales

    Wikipedia doesn't pick up them up directly. The problem is that devising
    such a test is pretty much impossible, because some cultures are pretty odd.

    https://lchc.ucsd.edu/mca/Paper/Cole/iq.html

    A mediocre student can gain a respectable score if he takes the time
    and trouble to run through a book of such questions prior to taking
    the test. Time is critical for points, and practicing enables one to
    get much faster at answering these kind of questions.

    My wife and I got into this once, and while we both did very well on IQ
    tests, we tended to answer specific sorts of question first because we
    could do them faster - she was better on verbal tests and I was better
    on math and arithmetic. She was a linguist by training, and not deeply
    into math, though she once taught an undergraduate stats course.

    A mediocre student can do better once they are test sophisticated, but
    they are unlikely to ever do better than respectably.

    Part of the problem with IQ tests is that they only make sense for
    people who score in the range from one standard deviation above the
    means to one standard deviation below it. People who score more than one standard deviation above the mean tend to be able to use more
    complicated strategies to boost their score. and that introduces a lot
    more room for variation in the results.

    Mensa ought to have specialised tests that reliably split the over-150
    IQ scorers from the under under-150 group, but they don't seem to have
    gone to the trouble.

    Since Clive Sinclair was chairman of Mensa UK for years, despite his
    capacity for ripping failure for the jaws of success, the defects of the concept should be obvious, even to you.

    --
    Bill Sloman, Sydney


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