From: skriptis@post.t-com.hr

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to the local sheriff's office by his father and a family friend.It is an odd situation I want to test here. Not about this

particular crime, but about to what degree you'd help law enforcement against a member in good standing of your immediate or extended family.This is not some kind of morality test, but more an examination of the limits of human social relationships.Now,
all of us here on RST are sorta shy and retiring, and might worry about getting their feelings hurt, so I'll take the plunge first...The general tendency would be to strictly distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor support it--unless, or course,
I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in this case, Robinson's dad was not directly involved.There are family members who I'd actively help, but this probably extends only to my wife and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just not
seek to cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in, even the ones whom I'd like to personally horsewhip to within an inch of their lives.What say you, fellow-sufferers?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open
the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



In theory.

I understand why he could do comitt this act.
He was lost.
He has a lousy family, cold. Father that does this is no father imo. So it means the entire upbringing was rotten.


Otoh it's a very clear situation in another sense. It's not like he had a way out, it was just matter of time so in the end it doesn't matter if father did this.





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From: skriptis@post.t-com.hr

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

On 9/15/25 12:54 PM, *skriptis wrote:> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>> It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to the local sheriff's office by

his father and a family friend.It is an odd situation I want to test here. Not about this particular crime, but about to what degree you'd help law enforcement against a member in good standing of your immediate or extended family.This is not some kind
of morality test, but more an examination of the limits of human social relationships.Now, all of us here on RST are sorta shy and retiring, and might worry about getting their feelings hurt, so I'll take the plunge first...The general tendency would be
to strictly distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor support it--unless, or course, I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in this case, Robinson's dad was not directly involved.There are family members who I'd actively help, but
this probably extends only to my wife and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just not seek to cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in, even the ones whom I'd like to personally horsewhip to within an inch of their lives.What say you, fellow-
sufferers?-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> > > > In theory.> > I understand why he could do comitt
this act.> He was lost.> He has a lousy family, cold. Father that does this is no father imo. So it means the entire upbringing was rotten.If your father does this, it means he values society's values over blood ties. This is incomprehensible to me--
again, not in a moral sense, but in a cultural sense.I believing in societal values especially if they are long-standing and unchanging. But there is never a 100% congruence between societal values and family values. Mostly it would be in what order of
priority does the list of values exist.> > > Otoh it's a very clear situation in another sense. It's not like he had a way out, it was just matter of time so in the end it doesn't matter if father did this.I think that the son, among other ill-considered
actions, involved his family by not properly attempting to conceal his actions. That's fucked up, too.>



He got the money too right?

And he can make another son now?



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From: TT@dprk.kp

Sawfish kirjoitti 15.9.2025 klo 23.23:

On 9/15/25 12:54 PM, *skriptis wrote:

Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r

It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to
turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He was driven to the
local sheriff's office by his father and a family friend.It is an odd
situation I want to test here. Not about this particular crime, but
about to what degree you'd help law enforcement against a member in
good standing of your immediate or extended family.This is not some
kind of morality test, but more an examination of the limits of human
social relationships.Now, all of us here on RST are sorta shy and
retiring, and might worry about getting their feelings hurt, so I'll
take the plunge first...The general tendency would be to strictly
distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor support it--unless,
or course, I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in
this case, Robinson's dad was not directly involved.There are family
members who I'd actively help, but this probably extends only to my
wife and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just not seek to
cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in, even the ones whom I'd
like to personally horsewhip to within an inch of their lives.What
say you, fellow-sufferers?--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In theory.

I understand why he could do comitt this act.
He was lost.
He has a lousy family, cold. Father that does this is no father imo.
So it means the entire upbringing was rotten.

If your father does this, it means he values society's values over blood ties. This is incomprehensible to me--again, not in a moral sense, but
in a cultural sense.

I believing in societal values especially if they are long-standing and unchanging. But there is never a 100% congruence between societal values
and family values. Mostly it would be in what order of priority does the
list of values exist.

Otoh it's a very clear situation in another sense. It's not like he
had a way out, it was just matter of time so in the end it doesn't
matter if father did this.

I think that the son, among other ill-considered actions, involved his
family by not properly attempting to conceal his actions. That's fucked
up, too.

Yes, father was probably also worried that rest of the family would be
in legal jeopardy. And as Skriptis I think already noted that the boy
would have been caught anyway.

But no, I would probably not take own blood to police. Difficult spot
for sure... Father did probably the right thing, talked son to give
himself up, that's what law-abiding citizens do.

Of course at some point "blood" doesn't matter and shouldn't matter...
would you not give up Manson to police. Or let's be modern, a NAZI to
police... :)

Pelle would inform his own mother to police for wrong political
opinions/hate speech.

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From: skriptis@post.t-com.hr

TT <TT@dprk.kp> Wrote in message:r

Sawfish kirjoitti 15.9.2025 klo 23.23:> On 9/15/25 12:54 PM, *skriptis wrote:>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>> It turns out that Robinson's (the shooter's) father advised him to >>> turn himself in, and gradually convinced him. He

was driven to the >>> local sheriff's office by his father and a family friend.It is an odd >>> situation I want to test here. Not about this particular crime, but >>> about to what degree you'd help law enforcement against a member in >>> good standing
of your immediate or extended family.This is not some >>> kind of morality test, but more an examination of the limits of human >>> social relationships.Now, all of us here on RST are sorta shy and >>> retiring, and might worry about getting their
feelings hurt, so I'll >>> take the plunge first...The general tendency would be to strictly >>> distance myself from the act--neither condemn nor support it--unless, >>> or course, I was directly involved in some aspect of it. E.g., in >>> this case,
Robinson's dad was not directly involved.There are family >>> members who I'd actively help, but this probably extends only to my >>> wife and daughter. Others, in good standing, I'd just not seek to >>> cooperate. I cannot think of any I'd turn in, even
the ones whom I'd >>> like to personally horsewhip to within an inch of their lives.What >>> say you, fellow-sufferers?-- >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>>>>> In theory.>>>> I understand why he could do comitt this act.>> He was lost.>> He has a lousy family, cold. Father that does this is no father imo. >> So it means the entire upbringing was rotten.

If your father does this, it means he values society's values over blood > ties. This is incomprehensible to me--again, not in a moral sense, but > in a cultural sense.> > I believing in societal values especially if they are long-standing and >

unchanging. But there is never a 100% congruence between societal values > and family values. Mostly it would be in what order of priority does the > list of values exist.> >>>>>> Otoh it's a very clear situation in another sense. It's not like he >> had
a way out, it was just matter of time so in the end it doesn't >> matter if father did this.> > I think that the son, among other ill-considered actions, involved his > family by not properly attempting to conceal his actions. That's fucked > up, too.>
Yes, father was probably also worried that rest of the family would be in legal jeopardy. And as Skriptis I think already noted that the boy would have been caught anyway.But no, I would probably not take own blood to police. Difficult spot for sure...
Father did probably the right thing, talked son to give himself up, that's what law-abiding citizens do.Of course at some point "blood" doesn't matter and shouldn't matter... would you not give up Manson to police. Or let's be modern, a NAZI to police...
:)Pelle would inform his own mother to police for wrong political opinions/hate speech.





At least his son killed a man, your mother didn't do anything wrong and you disposed of her?

Nursing home is probably worse than police.

At least in prison


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gj0Rz-uP4Mk





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