This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
I didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but sometimes it's the
only thing to do. At least he wasn't arrested.
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen worse. I
didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is, really.
I had a right-wing relative in tears about it yesterday, and he doesn't
even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be surprised if he knew who he
was the day before. Strange times.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
I didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but sometimes it's the
only thing to do. At least he wasn't arrested.
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen worse. I
didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is, really.
I had a right-wing relative in tears about it yesterday, and he doesn't
even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be surprised if he knew who he
was the day before. Strange times.
On 9/11/25 8:32 PM, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL footballI didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an
team:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but
sometimes it's the only thing to do. At least he wasn't
arrested.
I think that it was OK to tastelessly taunt the Kirk fans--times
being
what they are--but that he deserved to be fired for saying
"yall".
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen
worse. I
didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is,
really. I had a right-wing relative in tears about it
yesterday,
and he doesn't even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be
surprised
if he knew who he was the day before. Strange times.
I had never heard of Kirk before yesterday.
Boy I just read a VERY SCARY thread on Substack an hour or so
ago. It
was not about Kirk, it was a general expression of generational
aggression not so much based on politics as based on the younger
generation wanting what they see as their share, conventions of
*any*
kind be damned.
That, and race. In essence, the Boomers gave away the future to
non-white immigrants.
These guys are not knuckle-draggers, they are educated, do not
see
much, if any, opportunity, and they are deadly pissed.
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team:https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/for saying:“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2Fellow-RSTers, whatdo you think of that?
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football
team:https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/for saying:“Why
are yall sad? Your man said it was worth
it.”https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2Fellow-RSTers,
what do you think of that?
You don't have free speech. If you're paying the price for your
speech, it's not a free speech.
It doesn't matter who charges you with sanctions and who makes
your life miserable, government or someone else.
Does anyone have free speech then? You can always face consequences for your speech. Starting as simple as people avoiding you. You may have experience with it ;)
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
Does anyone have free speech then? You can always face
consequences for your speech. Starting as simple as people
avoiding you. You may have experience with it ;)
Good point, but maybe I am a bit of Marxist here.
1. I feel man's right to earn is as important as any other.
2. It's something government already legislates. Government
won't legislate who should be my friend. But if a government
legislates that you can't refuse to hire black person for being
black or tranny, then it means they're telling the employer his
to work, then that's inconsistent with firing someone over
comments.
Should an employer be forced to employ you if you're damaging their business with your speech in some way?
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
Does anyone have free speech then? You can always face consequences
for your speech. Starting as simple as people avoiding you. You may
have experience with it ;)
Good point, but maybe I am a bit of Marxist here.
1. I feel man's right to earn is as important as any other.
2. It's something government already legislates. Government won't
legislate who should be my friend. But if a government legislates that
you can't refuse to hire black person for being black or tranny, then
it means they're telling the employer his to work, then that's
inconsistent with firing someone over comments.
Should an employer be forced to employ you if you're damaging their
business with your speech in some way?
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
On 9/11/25 8:32 PM, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team:I didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but
sometimes it's the only thing to do. At least he wasn't arrested.
I think that it was OK to tastelessly taunt the Kirk fans--times being
what they are--but that he deserved to be fired for saying "yall".
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen worse. I
didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is,
really. I had a right-wing relative in tears about it yesterday,
and he doesn't even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be surprised
if he knew who he was the day before. Strange times.
I had never heard of Kirk before yesterday.
Boy I just read a VERY SCARY thread on Substack an hour or so ago. It
was not about Kirk, it was a general expression of generational
aggression not so much based on politics as based on the younger
generation wanting what they see as their share, conventions of *any*
kind be damned.
That, and race. In essence, the Boomers gave away the future to
non-white immigrants.
These guys are not knuckle-draggers, they are educated, do not see
much, if any, opportunity, and they are deadly pissed.
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is
generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting yourself be manipulated by bot swarms.
jdeluise kirjoitti 12.9.2025 klo 7.52:
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums
is
generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting
yourself
be manipulated by bot swarms.
That's quite marginal problem atm, imo.
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
jdeluise kirjoitti 12.9.2025 klo 7.52:
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is
generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting yourself
be manipulated by bot swarms.
That's quite marginal problem atm, imo.
Sockpuppets work, that's why they're so hated. Do it at scale and
you've got real power. You really "think" they don't do it?
jdeluise kirjoitti 12.9.2025 klo 13.07:> TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:> >> jdeluise kirjoitti 12.9.2025 klo 7.52:> >>> I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is>>> generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting yourself>>>be manipulated by bot swarms.>>>> That's quite marginal problem atm, imo.> > Sockpuppets work, that's why they're so hated. Do it at scale and > you've got real power. You really "think" they don't do it?All I notice at Twitter is honey trap bots &
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> On 9/11/25 8:32 PM, jdeluise wrote:>> Sawfish <sawfish666@
*skriptis <skriptis@post.t-com.hr> writes:
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
Does anyone have free speech then? You can always face consequences
for your speech. Starting as simple as people avoiding you. You may
have experience with it ;)
Good point, but maybe I am a bit of Marxist here.
1. I feel man's right to earn is as important as any other.
2. It's something government already legislates. Government won't
legislate who should be my friend. But if a government legislates that
you can't refuse to hire black person for being black or tranny, then
it means they're telling the employer his to work, then that's
inconsistent with firing someone over comments.
Should an employer be forced to employ you if you're damaging their
business with your speech in some way?
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
On 9/11/25 8:32 PM, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team:I didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but
sometimes it's the only thing to do. At least he wasn't arrested.
I think that it was OK to tastelessly taunt the Kirk fans--times being
what they are--but that he deserved to be fired for saying "yall".
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen worse. I
didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is,
really. I had a right-wing relative in tears about it yesterday,
and he doesn't even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be surprised
if he knew who he was the day before. Strange times.
I had never heard of Kirk before yesterday.
Boy I just read a VERY SCARY thread on Substack an hour or so ago. It
was not about Kirk, it was a general expression of generational
aggression not so much based on politics as based on the younger
generation wanting what they see as their share, conventions of *any*
kind be damned.
That, and race. In essence, the Boomers gave away the future to
non-white immigrants.
These guys are not knuckle-draggers, they are educated, do not see
much, if any, opportunity, and they are deadly pissed.
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is
generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting yourself be manipulated by bot swarms.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:rdo you think of that?
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team:https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/for saying:“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2Fellow-RSTers, what
You don't have free speech. If you're paying the price for your speech, it's not a free speech.
It doesn't matter who charges you with sanctions and who makes your life miserable, government or someone else.
On 9/12/2025 12:44 AM, *skriptis wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL footballYou don't have free speech. If you're paying the price for your
team:https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/for saying:“Why
are yall sad? Your man said it was worth
it.”https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2Fellow-RSTers,
what do you think of that?
speech, it's not a free speech.
It doesn't matter who charges you with sanctions and who makes
your
life miserable, government or someone else.
COVID, during BOTH Trump's first term and Sleepy Joe Biden's
only
term, proved that free speech in the good 'ole USA is a blatant
lie.
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:> This guy
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:
On 9/12/2025 12:44 AM, *skriptis wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL footballYou don't have free speech. If you're paying the price for your
team:https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/for saying:“Why are
yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”https://x.com/
McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2Fellow-RSTers,
what do you think of that?
speech, it's not a free speech.
It doesn't matter who charges you with sanctions and who makes your
life miserable, government or someone else.
COVID, during BOTH Trump's first term and Sleepy Joe Biden's only
term, proved that free speech in the good 'ole USA is a blatant lie.
Do you have a shifting, amorphous definition of "free speech" like
*skriptis does?
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:> On 9/12/2025 12:44 AM, *skriptis wrote:>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r>>> This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football >>> team:https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/for saying:“Why >>> are yall sad? Your man said it was worth >>> it.”https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2Fellow-RSTers, >>> what do you think of that?>> You don't have free speech. If you're paying the price for your>> speech, it's not
jdeluise <jdeluise@gmail.com> Wrote in message:r
Scall5 <nospam@home.net> writes:> On 9/12/2025 12:44 AM,
*skriptis wrote:>> Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> Wrote in
message:r>>> This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL
football >>> team:https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/for
saying:“Why >>> are yall sad? Your man said it was worth >>>
it.”https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2Fellow-RSTers,
you're paying the price for your>> speech, it's not a freewhat do you think of that?>> You don't have free speech. If
speech.>> It doesn't matter who charges you with sanctions and
who makes >> your>> life miserable, government or someone
else.>> COVID, during BOTH Trump's first term and Sleepy Joe
Biden's > only> term, proved that free speech in the good 'ole
USA is a blatant > lie.Do you have a shifting, amorphous
definition of "free speech" like *skriptis does?
Instead of free speech let's focus on allowed speech, ok?
I prefer when I know what's allowed and what's not allowed.
In America even though some things are supposedly allowed, you
still get destroyed and your life ruined by non state actors.
That's like a parallel legal system, the one which you cannot
affect or fight.
jdeluise kirjoitti 12.9.2025 klo 13.07:
TT <TT@dprk.kp> writes:
jdeluise kirjoitti 12.9.2025 klo 7.52:
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is
generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting yourself
be manipulated by bot swarms.
That's quite marginal problem atm, imo.
Sockpuppets work, that's why they're so hated. Do it at scale and
you've got real power. You really "think" they don't do it?
All I notice at Twitter is honey trap bots & some suspicious
commentary /accounts on Russia. Haven't fallen for either, yet.
Direct government & mainstream media propaganda is way more powerful.
Look, they told us for over a decade that immigration will save our healthcare, economy & society... and look what happened.
They even got some people to believe in countless number of genders & whatever sick sex change schemes for children /teens.
On 9/11/25 9:52 PM, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
On 9/11/25 8:32 PM, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team:I didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but
sometimes it's the only thing to do. At least he wasn't arrested.
I think that it was OK to tastelessly taunt the Kirk fans--times being
what they are--but that he deserved to be fired for saying "yall".
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen worse. I
didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is,
really. I had a right-wing relative in tears about it yesterday,
and he doesn't even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be surprised
if he knew who he was the day before. Strange times.
I had never heard of Kirk before yesterday.
Boy I just read a VERY SCARY thread on Substack an hour or so ago. It
was not about Kirk, it was a general expression of generational
aggression not so much based on politics as based on the younger
generation wanting what they see as their share, conventions of *any*
kind be damned.
That, and race. In essence, the Boomers gave away the future to
non-white immigrants.
These guys are not knuckle-draggers, they are educated, do not see
much, if any, opportunity, and they are deadly pissed.
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is
generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting yourself be
manipulated by bot swarms.
Always possible...
Here's a sample:
"Boomers were defined by managed decline.
What’s coming is a shift from managed decline, to a militarized revanchism.
Boomers abandoned the urban ghettos, they fled to the suburbs en masse,
with the hope that money could lock out dangerous minorities, and the comforting ideological delusion that abandoning Western Civilization to Leftist culture warriors would allow for a sacred era of racial unity,
the harmony embodied by Barack Obama. Electing a black President in
America was sold to the American people as the culmination of the Civil Rights Era, and the final chapter of racial struggle in the United
States. People sincerely believed that they had defeated the invisible demonic force of racism, and that Obama would absolve them of
Confederate sins.
Obama campaigned as a reformer, an outsider, a rebel who would overthrow
the status quo and bring racial harmony to America. But he was an empty
suit, an ambitious cipher who was willing to be the frontman for
whatever faction backed his career as a social climber striver. His
college radical dreams were revealed to be the empty pose of a mercenary
with delusions of heroism. Instead of being a reformer, an outsider, and
a rebel, Obama transformed into the guardian of the status quo, the
ultimate insider, the champion of institutional consensus and
ideological orthodoxy. This is why Obama is no longer relevant. He’s a spent force who became subsumed by the system that he allowed to
compromise him. He protected the big banks of Wall Street after they collapsed the global economy. A separate question is whether Obama ever
had the ability to reform the corrupt institutions, whether an alternate version of Obama who defied the orthodox consensus would’ve been able to challenge the Deep State Praetorian Guard of the CIA, NSA, Pentagon —
and the answer is that no, Obama lacked the skillset to run a large
company. From a distance, Obama seemed competent because every single subordinate agreed with him, they were all Leftist zealots or paid-off members of a fully-aligned coalition, and every fish was swimming in the
same direction. If Obama had attempted to redirect the self-driving
engine of the permanent bureaucracy, if he had been confronted by a widespread mutiny among the professional managerial class, nothing in
his resume had prepared him to overcome that kind of obstacle. His
speciality as a leader was in providing the glossy public relations for
a machine that ran itself.
Barack Obama is the Leftist equivalent of Vivek Ramaswamy.
They’re both bullshit artists."
The writer/bot got Obama's appeal to the Boomers exactly right. It's why
I voted for him in 2008. Not so much for "Confederate sins" as a revival
of the 60/70s black/white racial dynamic such as was encountered on
college campuses, and as unified by opposition the the Vietnam war.
On 9/12/2025 10:40 AM, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/11/25 9:52 PM, jdeluise wrote:Good thoughts here.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
On 9/11/25 8:32 PM, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team:I didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but
sometimes it's the only thing to do. At least he wasn't arrested.
I think that it was OK to tastelessly taunt the Kirk fans--times being >>>> what they are--but that he deserved to be fired for saying "yall".
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen worse. I
didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is,
really. I had a right-wing relative in tears about it yesterday,
and he doesn't even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be surprised
if he knew who he was the day before. Strange times.
I had never heard of Kirk before yesterday.
Boy I just read a VERY SCARY thread on Substack an hour or so ago. It
was not about Kirk, it was a general expression of generational
aggression not so much based on politics as based on the younger
generation wanting what they see as their share, conventions of *any*
kind be damned.
That, and race. In essence, the Boomers gave away the future to
non-white immigrants.
These guys are not knuckle-draggers, they are educated, do not see
much, if any, opportunity, and they are deadly pissed.
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is
generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting yourself be
manipulated by bot swarms.
Always possible...
Here's a sample:
"Boomers were defined by managed decline.
What’s coming is a shift from managed decline, to a militarized revanchism.
Boomers abandoned the urban ghettos, they fled to the suburbs en masse,
with the hope that money could lock out dangerous minorities, and the
comforting ideological delusion that abandoning Western Civilization to
Leftist culture warriors would allow for a sacred era of racial unity,
the harmony embodied by Barack Obama. Electing a black President in
America was sold to the American people as the culmination of the Civil
Rights Era, and the final chapter of racial struggle in the United
States. People sincerely believed that they had defeated the invisible
demonic force of racism, and that Obama would absolve them of
Confederate sins.
Obama campaigned as a reformer, an outsider, a rebel who would overthrow
the status quo and bring racial harmony to America. But he was an empty
suit, an ambitious cipher who was willing to be the frontman for
whatever faction backed his career as a social climber striver. His
college radical dreams were revealed to be the empty pose of a mercenary
with delusions of heroism. Instead of being a reformer, an outsider, and
a rebel, Obama transformed into the guardian of the status quo, the
ultimate insider, the champion of institutional consensus and
ideological orthodoxy. This is why Obama is no longer relevant. He’s a
spent force who became subsumed by the system that he allowed to
compromise him. He protected the big banks of Wall Street after they
collapsed the global economy. A separate question is whether Obama ever
had the ability to reform the corrupt institutions, whether an alternate
version of Obama who defied the orthodox consensus would’ve been able to >> challenge the Deep State Praetorian Guard of the CIA, NSA, Pentagon —
and the answer is that no, Obama lacked the skillset to run a large
company. From a distance, Obama seemed competent because every single
subordinate agreed with him, they were all Leftist zealots or paid-off
members of a fully-aligned coalition, and every fish was swimming in the
same direction. If Obama had attempted to redirect the self-driving
engine of the permanent bureaucracy, if he had been confronted by a
widespread mutiny among the professional managerial class, nothing in
his resume had prepared him to overcome that kind of obstacle. His
speciality as a leader was in providing the glossy public relations for
a machine that ran itself.
Barack Obama is the Leftist equivalent of Vivek Ramaswamy.
They’re both bullshit artists."
The writer/bot got Obama's appeal to the Boomers exactly right. It's why
I voted for him in 2008. Not so much for "Confederate sins" as a revival
of the 60/70s black/white racial dynamic such as was encountered on
college campuses, and as unified by opposition the the Vietnam war.
On 9/15/25 10:42 AM, bmoore wrote:
In article <10a5cpc$u79d$3@dont-email.me>, Scall5 <nospam@home.net> wrote: >>> On 9/12/2025 10:40 AM, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/11/25 9:52 PM, jdeluise wrote:Good thoughts here.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
On 9/11/25 8:32 PM, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:I think that it was OK to tastelessly taunt the Kirk fans--times being >>>>>> what they are--but that he deserved to be fired for saying "yall". >>>>>>
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team: >>>>>>>>I didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2 >>>>>>>>
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but
sometimes it's the only thing to do. At least he wasn't arrested. >>>>>>
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen worse. I >>>>>>> didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is, >>>>>>> really. I had a right-wing relative in tears about it yesterday, >>>>>>> and he doesn't even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be surprised >>>>>>> if he knew who he was the day before. Strange times.
I had never heard of Kirk before yesterday.
Boy I just read a VERY SCARY thread on Substack an hour or so ago. It >>>>>> was not about Kirk, it was a general expression of generational
aggression not so much based on politics as based on the younger
generation wanting what they see as their share, conventions of *any* >>>>>> kind be damned.
That, and race. In essence, the Boomers gave away the future to
non-white immigrants.
These guys are not knuckle-draggers, they are educated, do not see >>>>>> much, if any, opportunity, and they are deadly pissed.
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is
generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting yourself be >>>>> manipulated by bot swarms.
Always possible...
Here's a sample:
"Boomers were defined by managed decline.
What’s coming is a shift from managed decline, to a militarized revanchism.
Boomers abandoned the urban ghettos, they fled to the suburbs en masse, >>>> with the hope that money could lock out dangerous minorities, and the
comforting ideological delusion that abandoning Western Civilization to >>>> Leftist culture warriors would allow for a sacred era of racial unity, >>>> the harmony embodied by Barack Obama. Electing a black President in
America was sold to the American people as the culmination of the Civil >>>> Rights Era, and the final chapter of racial struggle in the United
States. People sincerely believed that they had defeated the invisible >>>> demonic force of racism, and that Obama would absolve them of
Confederate sins.
Obama campaigned as a reformer, an outsider, a rebel who would overthrow >>>> the status quo and bring racial harmony to America. But he was an empty >>>> suit, an ambitious cipher who was willing to be the frontman for
whatever faction backed his career as a social climber striver. His
college radical dreams were revealed to be the empty pose of a mercenary >>>> with delusions of heroism. Instead of being a reformer, an outsider, and >>>> a rebel, Obama transformed into the guardian of the status quo, the
ultimate insider, the champion of institutional consensus and
ideological orthodoxy. This is why Obama is no longer relevant. He’s a >>>> spent force who became subsumed by the system that he allowed to
compromise him. He protected the big banks of Wall Street after they
collapsed the global economy. A separate question is whether Obama ever >>>> had the ability to reform the corrupt institutions, whether an alternate >>>> version of Obama who defied the orthodox consensus would’ve been able to >>>> challenge the Deep State Praetorian Guard of the CIA, NSA, Pentagon — >>>> and the answer is that no, Obama lacked the skillset to run a large
company. From a distance, Obama seemed competent because every single
subordinate agreed with him, they were all Leftist zealots or paid-off >>>> members of a fully-aligned coalition, and every fish was swimming in the >>>> same direction. If Obama had attempted to redirect the self-driving
engine of the permanent bureaucracy, if he had been confronted by a
widespread mutiny among the professional managerial class, nothing in
his resume had prepared him to overcome that kind of obstacle. His
speciality as a leader was in providing the glossy public relations for >>>> a machine that ran itself.
Barack Obama is the Leftist equivalent of Vivek Ramaswamy.
They’re both bullshit artists."
The writer/bot got Obama's appeal to the Boomers exactly right. It's why >>>> I voted for him in 2008. Not so much for "Confederate sins" as a revival >>>> of the 60/70s black/white racial dynamic such as was encountered on
college campuses, and as unified by opposition the the Vietnam war.
Agreed, but wonder why Sawfish changed his tune in 2012.
In my opinion he began to use his office to highlight grievances of
identity groups versus the legal system. First black Americans, then >broadening to gays, then trans.
First was that case where a black professor was stopped for entering his
own home, in DC, I think it was. Obama hosted a news session where he
sat with the aggrieved professor and the cop who stopped him, with beer,
as I recall. Then he hopped on Trayvon Martin, which was a local, not >federal, homicide case, and he picked sides when he announced "If I had
a son, he'd look like Trayvon".
From there he went to saying it was time to legalize gay
marriage--which carries the implication that a grievance existed when at
no time had officially sanctioned popular intrasexual *marriage*, under
that term, ever been used anywhere at any time. There had never been an >expectancy that this practice existed under custom and law, and that
gays were being wrongfully denied it. But he handled it as if it had
been an error to deny it.
Then he had dialogues with Tanahisi Coates about whether or not there
should be reparations for past slavery. Obama magnanimously said
probably not, but the fact that he engaged with this issue publicly
raised the issue to the level of reasonableness.
So basically he split the populace into identity groups that had begun
to slowly dissolve by the 70s-90s. He set back racial relations by
probably 50 years.
Literally, his DoJ was used to purge local police departments in the
same fashion that Trump turned loose Musk and whatever his efficiency
group was called. The DoJ literally, and very publicly, undercut local
law enforcement departments.
Anyway, that's how I saw it.
-- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 9/15/25 10:42 AM, bmoore wrote:
In article <10a5cpc$u79d$3@dont-email.me>, Scall5 <nospam@home.net>
wrote:
On 9/12/2025 10:40 AM, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/11/25 9:52 PM, jdeluise wrote:Good thoughts here.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
On 9/11/25 8:32 PM, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:I think that it was OK to tastelessly taunt the Kirk fans--times
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team: >>>>>>>>I didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2 >>>>>>>>
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but
sometimes it's the only thing to do. At least he wasn't arrested. >>>>>>
being
what they are--but that he deserved to be fired for saying "yall". >>>>>>
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen worse. I >>>>>>> didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is, >>>>>>> really. I had a right-wing relative in tears about it yesterday, >>>>>>> and he doesn't even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be surprised >>>>>>> if he knew who he was the day before. Strange times.
I had never heard of Kirk before yesterday.
Boy I just read a VERY SCARY thread on Substack an hour or so ago. It >>>>>> was not about Kirk, it was a general expression of generational
aggression not so much based on politics as based on the younger
generation wanting what they see as their share, conventions of *any* >>>>>> kind be damned.
That, and race. In essence, the Boomers gave away the future to
non-white immigrants.
These guys are not knuckle-draggers, they are educated, do not see >>>>>> much, if any, opportunity, and they are deadly pissed.
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is
generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting yourself be >>>>> manipulated by bot swarms.
Always possible...
Here's a sample:
"Boomers were defined by managed decline.
What’s coming is a shift from managed decline, to a militarized
revanchism.
Boomers abandoned the urban ghettos, they fled to the suburbs en masse, >>>> with the hope that money could lock out dangerous minorities, and the
comforting ideological delusion that abandoning Western Civilization to >>>> Leftist culture warriors would allow for a sacred era of racial unity, >>>> the harmony embodied by Barack Obama. Electing a black President in
America was sold to the American people as the culmination of the Civil >>>> Rights Era, and the final chapter of racial struggle in the United
States. People sincerely believed that they had defeated the invisible >>>> demonic force of racism, and that Obama would absolve them of
Confederate sins.
Obama campaigned as a reformer, an outsider, a rebel who would
overthrow
the status quo and bring racial harmony to America. But he was an empty >>>> suit, an ambitious cipher who was willing to be the frontman for
whatever faction backed his career as a social climber striver. His
college radical dreams were revealed to be the empty pose of a
mercenary
with delusions of heroism. Instead of being a reformer, an outsider,
and
a rebel, Obama transformed into the guardian of the status quo, the
ultimate insider, the champion of institutional consensus and
ideological orthodoxy. This is why Obama is no longer relevant. He’s a >>>> spent force who became subsumed by the system that he allowed to
compromise him. He protected the big banks of Wall Street after they
collapsed the global economy. A separate question is whether Obama ever >>>> had the ability to reform the corrupt institutions, whether an
alternate
version of Obama who defied the orthodox consensus would’ve been
able to
challenge the Deep State Praetorian Guard of the CIA, NSA, Pentagon — >>>> and the answer is that no, Obama lacked the skillset to run a large
company. From a distance, Obama seemed competent because every single
subordinate agreed with him, they were all Leftist zealots or paid-off >>>> members of a fully-aligned coalition, and every fish was swimming in
the
same direction. If Obama had attempted to redirect the self-driving
engine of the permanent bureaucracy, if he had been confronted by a
widespread mutiny among the professional managerial class, nothing in
his resume had prepared him to overcome that kind of obstacle. His
speciality as a leader was in providing the glossy public relations for >>>> a machine that ran itself.
Barack Obama is the Leftist equivalent of Vivek Ramaswamy.
They’re both bullshit artists."
The writer/bot got Obama's appeal to the Boomers exactly right. It's
why
I voted for him in 2008. Not so much for "Confederate sins" as a
revival
of the 60/70s black/white racial dynamic such as was encountered on
college campuses, and as unified by opposition the the Vietnam war.
Agreed, but wonder why Sawfish changed his tune in 2012.
In my opinion he began to use his office to highlight grievances of
identity groups versus the legal system. First black Americans, then broadening to gays, then trans.
First was that case where a black professor was stopped for entering his
own home, in DC, I think it was. Obama hosted a news session where he
sat with the aggrieved professor and the cop who stopped him, with beer,
as I recall. Then he hopped on Trayvon Martin, which was a local, not federal, homicide case, and he picked sides when he announced "If I had
a son, he'd look like Trayvon".
From there he went to saying it was time to legalize gay marriage--
which carries the implication that a grievance existed when at no time
had officially sanctioned popular intrasexual *marriage*, under that
term, ever been used anywhere at any time. There had never been an
expectancy that this practice existed under custom and law, and that
gays were being wrongfully denied it. But he handled it as if it had
been an error to deny it.
Then he had dialogues with Tanahisi Coates about whether or not there
should be reparations for past slavery. Obama magnanimously said
probably not, but the fact that he engaged with this issue publicly
raised the issue to the level of reasonableness.
So basically he split the populace into identity groups that had begun
to slowly dissolve by the 70s-90s. He set back racial relations by
probably 50 years.
Literally, his DoJ was used to purge local police departments in the
same fashion that Trump turned loose Musk and whatever his efficiency
group was called. The DoJ literally, and very publicly, undercut local
law enforcement departments.
Anyway, that's how I saw it.
On 9/17/25 5:09 PM, Scall5 wrote:
On 9/15/2025 1:09 PM, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/15/25 10:42 AM, bmoore wrote:Was the conversations between Obama and Trump at Carter's funeral ever
In article <10a5cpc$u79d$3@dont-email.me>, Scall5 <nospam@home.net>
wrote:
On 9/12/2025 10:40 AM, Sawfish wrote:
On 9/11/25 9:52 PM, jdeluise wrote:Good thoughts here.
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:
On 9/11/25 8:32 PM, jdeluise wrote:
Sawfish <sawfish666@gmail.com> writes:I think that it was OK to tastelessly taunt the Kirk fans--times >>>>>>>> being
This guy who worked for the Carolina Pathers NFL football team: >>>>>>>>>>I didn't follow the links. I don't really like the idea of an >>>>>>>>> employer firing an employee for speech outside of work, but
https://www.instagram.com/p/DOeEaUAkWl_/
for saying:
“Why are yall sad? Your man said it was worth it.”
https://x.com/McCarthys_Ghost/status/1965926631127790012/photo/2 >>>>>>>>>>
Fellow-RSTers, what do you think of that?
sometimes it's the only thing to do. At least he wasn't arrested. >>>>>>>>
what they are--but that he deserved to be fired for saying "yall". >>>>>>>>
The "joke" itself lacked decorum I suppose, but I've seen worse. I >>>>>>>>> didn't think Kirk was so popular. In fact I don't think he is, >>>>>>>>> really. I had a right-wing relative in tears about it yesterday, >>>>>>>>> and he doesn't even follow or listen to the guy... I'd be surprised >>>>>>>>> if he knew who he was the day before. Strange times.
I had never heard of Kirk before yesterday.
Boy I just read a VERY SCARY thread on Substack an hour or so
ago. It
was not about Kirk, it was a general expression of generational >>>>>>>> aggression not so much based on politics as based on the younger >>>>>>>> generation wanting what they see as their share, conventions of >>>>>>>> *any*
kind be damned.
That, and race. In essence, the Boomers gave away the future to >>>>>>>> non-white immigrants.
These guys are not knuckle-draggers, they are educated, do not see >>>>>>>> much, if any, opportunity, and they are deadly pissed.
I dunno Saw, I don't believe that much of what I read on forums is >>>>>>> generated by humans anymore. Take care you're not letting
yourself be
manipulated by bot swarms.
Always possible...
Here's a sample:
"Boomers were defined by managed decline.
What’s coming is a shift from managed decline, to a militarized
revanchism.
Boomers abandoned the urban ghettos, they fled to the suburbs en
masse,
with the hope that money could lock out dangerous minorities, and the >>>>>> comforting ideological delusion that abandoning Western
Civilization to
Leftist culture warriors would allow for a sacred era of racial unity, >>>>>> the harmony embodied by Barack Obama. Electing a black President in >>>>>> America was sold to the American people as the culmination of the
Civil
Rights Era, and the final chapter of racial struggle in the United >>>>>> States. People sincerely believed that they had defeated the invisible >>>>>> demonic force of racism, and that Obama would absolve them of
Confederate sins.
Obama campaigned as a reformer, an outsider, a rebel who would
overthrow
the status quo and bring racial harmony to America. But he was an
empty
suit, an ambitious cipher who was willing to be the frontman for
whatever faction backed his career as a social climber striver. His >>>>>> college radical dreams were revealed to be the empty pose of a
mercenary
with delusions of heroism. Instead of being a reformer, an
outsider, and
a rebel, Obama transformed into the guardian of the status quo, the >>>>>> ultimate insider, the champion of institutional consensus and
ideological orthodoxy. This is why Obama is no longer relevant. He’s a >>>>>> spent force who became subsumed by the system that he allowed to
compromise him. He protected the big banks of Wall Street after they >>>>>> collapsed the global economy. A separate question is whether Obama >>>>>> ever
had the ability to reform the corrupt institutions, whether an
alternate
version of Obama who defied the orthodox consensus would’ve been >>>>>> able to
challenge the Deep State Praetorian Guard of the CIA, NSA, Pentagon — >>>>>> and the answer is that no, Obama lacked the skillset to run a large >>>>>> company. From a distance, Obama seemed competent because every single >>>>>> subordinate agreed with him, they were all Leftist zealots or paid-off >>>>>> members of a fully-aligned coalition, and every fish was swimming
in the
same direction. If Obama had attempted to redirect the self-driving >>>>>> engine of the permanent bureaucracy, if he had been confronted by a >>>>>> widespread mutiny among the professional managerial class, nothing in >>>>>> his resume had prepared him to overcome that kind of obstacle. His >>>>>> speciality as a leader was in providing the glossy public relations >>>>>> for
a machine that ran itself.
Barack Obama is the Leftist equivalent of Vivek Ramaswamy.
They’re both bullshit artists."
The writer/bot got Obama's appeal to the Boomers exactly right.
It's why
I voted for him in 2008. Not so much for "Confederate sins" as a
revival
of the 60/70s black/white racial dynamic such as was encountered on >>>>>> college campuses, and as unified by opposition the the Vietnam war. >>>>>>
Agreed, but wonder why Sawfish changed his tune in 2012.
In my opinion he began to use his office to highlight grievances of
identity groups versus the legal system. First black Americans, then
broadening to gays, then trans.
First was that case where a black professor was stopped for entering
his own home, in DC, I think it was. Obama hosted a news session where
he sat with the aggrieved professor and the cop who stopped him, with
beer, as I recall. Then he hopped on Trayvon Martin, which was a
local, not federal, homicide case, and he picked sides when he
announced "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon".
From there he went to saying it was time to legalize gay marriage--
which carries the implication that a grievance existed when at no time
had officially sanctioned popular intrasexual *marriage*, under that
term, ever been used anywhere at any time. There had never been an
expectancy that this practice existed under custom and law, and that
gays were being wrongfully denied it. But he handled it as if it had
been an error to deny it.
Then he had dialogues with Tanahisi Coates about whether or not there
should be reparations for past slavery. Obama magnanimously said
probably not, but the fact that he engaged with this issue publicly
raised the issue to the level of reasonableness.
So basically he split the populace into identity groups that had begun
to slowly dissolve by the 70s-90s. He set back racial relations by
probably 50 years.
Literally, his DoJ was used to purge local police departments in the
same fashion that Trump turned loose Musk and whatever his efficiency
group was called. The DoJ literally, and very publicly, undercut local
law enforcement departments.
Anyway, that's how I saw it.
documented? Could be really fascinating as they were both laughing.
Comparing notes about Epstein's private island?
;^)
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