• Unreliable narrator

    From Adam H. Kerman@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 07, 2026 07:25:43
    Adam Kempenaar and Josh Larsen host Filmspotting, a podcast and
    syndicated radio program. Their lists this week were movies with
    unreliable narrators. I liked how they distinguished between this and
    movies just with plot twists. While there can be a plot twist, the unreliability of the narrator is a key driving force moving the movie
    forward. There are plenty of plot twists without unreliable narrators.

    https://www.filmspotting.net/episodes-archive/2026/3/6-1055-unreliable-narrators-rashomon

    They don't discuss tv, but we do. For me, the biggest unreliable
    narrator is Dexter, although that got retconned. We all have terrible
    impulses but Dexter insists he cannot control his "dark passenger", only channel him. Originally, the audience was supposed to believe that
    Dexter being "born in blood" didn't create his dark impulses and that
    Harry could have helped him keep it in check. Instead, Harry created an instrument of vengance before Dexter initiates it. In later season and
    tne spinoffs, Dexter got Harry to go along with his impulse to kill.

    Anthology shows like Night Gallery used plenty of stories with an
    unreliable narrator.

    What's your choice?

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  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 07, 2026 14:26:31
    On 3/7/2026 2:25 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Adam Kempenaar and Josh Larsen host Filmspotting, a podcast and
    syndicated radio program. Their lists this week were movies with
    unreliable narrators. I liked how they distinguished between this and
    movies just with plot twists. While there can be a plot twist, the unreliability of the narrator is a key driving force moving the movie forward. There are plenty of plot twists without unreliable narrators.

    https://www.filmspotting.net/episodes-archive/2026/3/6-1055-unreliable-narrators-rashomon

    They don't discuss tv, but we do. For me, the biggest unreliable
    narrator is Dexter, although that got retconned. We all have terrible impulses but Dexter insists he cannot control his "dark passenger", only channel him. Originally, the audience was supposed to believe that
    Dexter being "born in blood" didn't create his dark impulses and that
    Harry could have helped him keep it in check. Instead, Harry created an instrument of vengance before Dexter initiates it. In later season and
    tne spinoffs, Dexter got Harry to go along with his impulse to kill.

    Anthology shows like Night Gallery used plenty of stories with an
    unreliable narrator.

    What's your choice?

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.




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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 07, 2026 15:11:32
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    I don't know about Hitchcock, but Christie did. In fact, it's one of a
    few reasons why some people who aren't familiar with her wider work
    think all she ever did were cheaty, rulebreaking endings.

    It definitely spun my brain around, but in a good way. It's good to push
    the boundaries. "The butler did it" has been a cliche for decades, but
    once it was a violation of a rule that servants don't count.

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  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 07, 2026 16:27:24
    On 3/7/2026 3:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    I don't know about Hitchcock, but Christie did. In fact, it's one of a
    few reasons why some people who aren't familiar with her wider work
    think all she ever did were cheaty, rulebreaking endings.

    It definitely spun my brain around, but in a good way. It's good to push
    the boundaries. "The butler did it" has been a cliche for decades, but
    once it was a violation of a rule that servants don't count.

    I first heard of the book in the context of its "twist", and so was
    denied the pleasure of being spun around ...but can't imagine any reader feeling less than delighted at A.C.'s out-of-the-box thinking.



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  • From BTR1701@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 08, 2026 07:13:33
    On Mar 7, 2026 at 10:51:46 PM PST, "Pluted Pup" <plutedpup@outlook.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    Rot13 is annoying for everyone who don't have
    decoding for rot13. We're supposed to number
    each letter and then add or subtract 13 to find
    the answer one letter at a time? That's worse
    than morse code.

    www.rot13.com

    Simple.



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  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 08, 2026 20:15:44
    On 2026-03-08 06:51:46 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    Iirc, both Hitchcock and Christie caught some flak for it.

    Rot13 is annoying for everyone who don't have decoding for rot13.
    We're supposed to number each letter and then add or subtract 13 to
    find the answer one letter at a time? That's worse than morse code.

    Most proper newsreading apps have an option to convert to / from ROT13 easily.

    For those without, there are numerous free websites that will do it via
    a quick copy-paste. For example: <https://www.rot13.app>


    But to the point, are narrators ever reliable? They seem to exist to mislead.


    I don't know about Hitchcock, but Christie did. In fact, it's one of a
    few reasons why some people who aren't familiar with her wider work
    think all she ever did were cheaty, rulebreaking endings.

    It definitely spun my brain around, but in a good way. It's good to push
    the boundaries. "The butler did it" has been a cliche for decades, but
    once it was a violation of a rule that servants don't count.



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  • From super70s@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 08, 2026 11:16:50
    On 2026-03-08 07:34:38 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    So to ROT13 this again it's

    STAGE FRIGHT

    The Murder of Roger Ackroyd

    But does the titles alone identify the works?
    With the book and movie publishing world heavily
    promoting remakes the title alone isn't enough
    and should have a (YEAR) appended to the title,
    to narrow it down.

    Now let's do pig Latin for the kids.


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  • From moviePig@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 08, 2026 14:26:11
    On 3/8/2026 12:16 PM, super70s wrote:
    On 2026-03-08 07:34:38 +0000, Pluted Pup said:

    On 3/7/26 12:11 PM, The True Melissa wrote:
    rec.arts.books added to the newsgroups line.

    Verily, in article <10ohu59$1pqmv$1@dont-email.me>, did
    nobody@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    The classic examples are, in movies:

    FGNTR SEVTUG

    ...and, in books:

    Gur Zheqre bs Ebtre Npxeblq

    (rot13, as anti-spoiler lip service.)

    So to ROT13 this again it's

    STAGE FRIGHT

    The Murder of Roger Ackroyd

    But does the titles alone identify the works?
    With the book and movie publishing world heavily
    promoting remakes the title alone isn't enough
    and should have a (YEAR) appended to the title,
    to narrow it down.

    Now let's do pig Latin for the kids.

    Ixsay evvensay...




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