• AI/LLM reviews of STNG - Darmok

    From The Doctor@3:633/10 to All on Monday, September 08, 2025 12:58:56
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    From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca

    AI/LLM Reviews of Star Trek The Next Generation -Darmok

    Google Gemini

    Plot Synopsis
    The Enterprise encounters an alien species known
    as the Tamarians, who are a mystery to the Federation.
    Their language, while composed of familiar sounds,
    is entirely incomprehensible. It is a language
    of metaphor, where every phrase is a historical
    or mythical reference, like "Darmok and Jalad
    at Tanagra" or "Temba, his arms wide."

    To find a way to communicate, the Tamarian
    captain, Dathon, has both himself and Captain
    Picard beamed down to the surface of a nearby
    planet. They are forced to face a hostile beast
    together, with no way to communicate other than
    through their respective languages. Over
    the course of the episode, Picard slowly begins
    to understand the Tamarian's metaphorical speech
    patterns, realising that their references
    are not just words, but shared cultural narratives.
    Through shared struggle and a moment of genuine
    human connection, Picard and Dathon manage to bridge
    the communication gap, forming a bond
    that transcends language.

    Strengths
    A Brilliant Concept: The central idea of
    a language based on metaphor is a stroke of genius.
    It's a powerful way to explore the nature of language
    itself and how culture is intertwined with communication.
    The episode is a masterclass in building tension
    and understanding through non-verbal cues and context.

    Masterful Acting: Patrick Stewart's performance
    as Captain Picard is superb. He conveys frustration,
    confusion, and a gradual dawning of understanding
    with incredible subtlety. His scenes with the Tamarian
    captain, despite the lack of direct dialogue, are some
    of the most emotionally resonant in the series.

    A Timeless Message: The episode's message
    about the importance of finding common ground and bridging
    cultural divides is as relevant today as it was in 1991.
    It reminds us that understanding requires empathy
    and a willingness to step outside our own frames of reference.

    Weaknesses
    Initial Pacing: The initial scenes with the Tamarians can
    be frustrating for the viewer, just as they are for
    the crew of the Enterprise. While this is intentional
    to immerse the audience in the problem, it may be
    a bit slow for some viewers.

    Limited Scope: The entire episode is focused on this
    one central problem. While it's executed brilliantly,
    it lacks the broader scope of some of the two-part episodes.

    Overall Impression
    "Darmok" is widely regarded as one of the best episodes
    of Star Trek: The Next Generation and a landmark
    in television science fiction. It's an intelligent,
    moving, and thought-provoking story that uses the show's sci-fi
    premise to explore a fundamental aspect of the human condition.
    It's a must-watch for any fan of the show.

    Rating: 10/10

    ChatGPT

    Here’s a focused and enriched review of **"Star Trek:
    The Next Generation — *Darmok***" (Season 5, Episode 2),
    based on the provided transcript and critical reflections:

    ---

    ## Episode Overview

    Captain Picard encounters the Tamarian race, who communicate
    entirely through mythic metaphor—phrases like **“Darmok
    and Jalad at Tanagra”** are symbolic references
    from their shared stories. Their language proves
    untranslatable via the Universal Translator,
    forcing Picard to forge meaning through shared
    experience. Stranded together on a hostile planet,
    he and the Tamarian captain Dathon gradually understand
    each other through storytelling
    and empathy—an unforgettable exploration
    of communication and connection.

    ---

    ## What Makes It Exceptional

    * **Inventive Concept & Execution**
    The episode ingeniously reframes
    language as cultural narrative.
    Picard’s journey to decipher metaphor,
    rather than rely on tech,
    elevated *Darmok* into something
    profoundly fresh and engaging.
    ([Wikipedia][1])

    * **Tremendous Performances**
    Patrick Stewart and Paul Winfield
    deliver deeply human performances.
    Stewart navigates the puzzle
    of
  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to The Doctor on Monday, September 08, 2025 06:40:34
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    The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
    AI/LLM Reviews of Star Trek The Next Generation -Darmok


    Unwatchable garbage. Offensively bad. The worst episode not helmed by or featuring Gates McMuffin except for maybe the one with the space Mayans.


    Google Gemini

    Plot Synopsis
    The Enterprise encounters an alien species known
    as the Tamarians, who are a mystery to the Federation.
    Their language, while composed of familiar sounds,
    is entirely incomprehensible. It is a language
    of metaphor, where every phrase is a historical
    or mythical reference, like "Darmok and Jalad
    at Tanagra" or "Temba, his arms wide."

    To find a way to communicate, the Tamarian
    captain, Dathon, has both himself and Captain
    Picard beamed down to the surface of a nearby
    planet. They are forced to face a hostile beast
    together, with no way to communicate other than
    through their respective languages. Over
    the course of the episode, Picard slowly begins
    to understand the Tamarian's metaphorical speech
    patterns, realising that their references
    are not just words, but shared cultural narratives.
    Through shared struggle and a moment of genuine
    human connection, Picard and Dathon manage to bridge
    the communication gap, forming a bond
    that transcends language.

    Strengths
    A Brilliant Concept: The central idea of
    a language based on metaphor is a stroke of genius.
    It's a powerful way to explore the nature of language
    itself and how culture is intertwined with communication.
    The episode is a masterclass in building tension
    and understanding through non-verbal cues and context.

    Masterful Acting: Patrick Stewart's performance
    as Captain Picard is superb. He conveys frustration,
    confusion, and a gradual dawning of understanding
    with incredible subtlety. His scenes with the Tamarian
    captain, despite the lack of direct dialogue, are some
    of the most emotionally resonant in the series.

    A Timeless Message: The episode's message
    about the importance of finding common ground and bridging
    cultural divides is as relevant today as it was in 1991.
    It reminds us that understanding requires empathy
    and a willingness to step outside our own frames of reference.

    Weaknesses
    Initial Pacing: The initial scenes with the Tamarians can
    be frustrating for the viewer, just as they are for
    the crew of the Enterprise. While this is intentional
    to immerse the audience in the problem, it may be
    a bit slow for some viewers.

    Limited Scope: The entire episode is focused on this
    one central problem. While it's executed brilliantly,
    it lacks the broader scope of some of the two-part episodes.

    Overall Impression
    "Darmok" is widely regarded as one of the best episodes
    of Star Trek: The Next Generation and a landmark
    in television science fiction. It's an intelligent,
    moving, and thought-provoking story that uses the show's sci-fi
    premise to explore a fundamental aspect of the human condition.
    It's a must-watch for any fan of the show.

    Rating: 10/10

    ChatGPT

    Here’s a focused and enriched review of **"Star Trek:
    The Next Generation — *Darmok***" (Season 5, Episode 2),
    based on the provided transcript and critical reflections:

    ---

    ## Episode Overview

    Captain Picard encounters the Tamarian race, who communicate
    entirely through mythic metaphor—phrases like **“Darmok
    and Jalad at Tanagra”** are symbolic references
    from their shared stories. Their language proves
    untranslatable via the Universal Translator,
    forcing Picard to forge meaning through shared
    experience. Stranded together on a hostile planet,
    he and the Tamarian captain Dathon gradually understand
    each other through storytelling
    and empathy—an unforgettable exploration
    of communication and connection.

    ---

    ## What Makes It Exceptional

    * **Inventive Concept & Execution**
    The episode ingeniously reframes
    language as cultural narrative.
    Picard’s journey to decipher metaphor,
    rather than rely on tech,
    elevated *Darmok* into something
    profoundly fresh and engaging.
    ([Wikipedia][1])

    * **Tremendous Performances**
    Patrick Stewart and Paul Winfield
    deliver deeply human performances.
    Stewart navigates the puzzle
    of understanding an alien mind,
    while Winfield inhabits Dathon with warmth
    and gravity—even when speaking only in cryptic phrases.
    ([Thoughts From the Mountain Top][2], [Late to the Game Blog][3])

    * **Emotional and Cultural Resonance**
    Dathon’s sacrifice and Picard’s empathetic
    breakthrough crystallise the episode’s theme:
    connection transcends linguistic boundaries.
    It’s frequently ranked among Trek’s most moving
    and thought-provoking stories.
    ([Late to the Game Blog][3], [Thoughts From the Mountain Top][2], [Wikipedia][1])

    * **Critical Acclaim & Legacy**

    * *The A.V. Club* awarded it an **A**, praising
    its performances despite acknowledging
    conceptual improbabilities.
    ([Wikipedia][1])
    * Keith DeCandido gave it **9/10**, and it landed
    in top-tier episode lists by *The Washington Post*,
    *io9*, *Empire*, and *Vox*.
    ([Wikipedia][1])

    * **Fan Devotion**
    Fans often cite *Darmok* as a favorite,
    calling it profoundly meaningful:

    -> “This is why Star Trek is the best.”
    -> “One of the top five episodes of the series.”
    ([The Avocado][4], [jammersreviews.com][5], [Late to the Game Blog][3])

    ---

    ## Common Criticisms

    * **Language Logic Gaps**
    Linguistically, the concept of a metaphor-based
    language strains credibility—how would such a
    language function in daily or technical contexts?
    ([The Avocado][4], [WIRED][6])

    * **Mixed Fans’ Impressions**
    Some viewers feel the pacing is slow
    and the emotional connection to Dathon remains vague,
    which undercuts the impact of the resolution.
    ([Reddit][7])

    ---

    ## ⭐ Final Rating: **9.5 / 10**

    **Verdict:**
    *Darmok* stands as one of the most ambitious
    and heartfelt entries in Star Trek history.
    It challenges the conventions of universal
    translation by celebrating empathy, myth,
    and shared storytelling. Anchored by stellar
    performances—especially from Patrick Stewart
    and Paul Winfield—it exemplifies Star Trek's
    best ideals: bridging cultural divides, seeking
    mutual understanding, and affirming the power
    of narrative. The linguistic fine points may
    not all hold up under scrutiny, but emotionally
    and thematically, this episode is timeless.

    ---

    [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Darmok" [2]: https://thoughtsfromthemountaintop.com/2020/09/08/star-trek-the-next-generation-darmok/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
    "Star Trek: The Next Generation – Darmok"
    [3]: https://latetothegame.blog/2020/02/08/retro-tv-review-star-trek-tng-ssn-5-episode-two-darmok-2/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
    "Retro TV Review: Star Trek TNG SSN 5 Episode Two: Darmok"
    [4]: https://the-avocado.org/2022/07/07/you-talking-trek-to-me-darmok/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
    "You Talking Trek to Me? – “Darmok” - The Avocado"
    [5]: https://www.jammersreviews.com/st-tng/s5/darmok.php?utm_source=chatgpt.com "\"Darmok\" |
    Star Trek: TNG - Jammer's Reviews"
    [6]: https://www.wired.com/2006/12/darmoks-linguis?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Darmok's Linguistical Nonsense"
    [7]: https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/1bg6qx1/darmok_opinions/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
    "Darmok opinions? : r/startrek - Reddit"



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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Monday, September 08, 2025 08:25:30
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    From: thetruemelissa@gmail.com

    Verily, in article <932307215.779031248.136346.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this
    message:
    Unwatchable garbage. Offensively bad. The worst episode not helmed by or featuring Gates McMuffin except for maybe the one with the space Mayans.


    I don't agree. The premise could have used more exploration, but it was
    nice to see some aliens who were actually *different,* for a bit of
    actual SF in the SF show.

    What they should have done is developed this more. Tamarians are highly narrative, apparently more so than the rest of us, and what does this
    mean? There are fascinating implications for sociology, mental health,
    and potentially even religion. There's also a burning question of how
    anyone learns the stories in the first place. All of this stuff could
    have been developed in side stories, as other alien cultures have been.

    Lower Decks has a Tamarian crew member, Kayshon, who has learned to
    speak the way everyone else does but sometimes reverts to his natural
    mode. He's a pretty good character, so I'm not sorry they're in the
    Federation.


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  • From Ubiquitous@3:633/10 to doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca on Monday, September 08, 2025 11:36:56
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    From: weberm@polaris.net

    In article <109mjug$11oa$1@gallifrey.nk.ca>, doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca wrote:

    AI/LLM Reviews of Star Trek The Next Generation -Darmok

    Google Gemini

    Plot Synopsis
    The Enterprise encounters an alien species known
    as the Tamarians, who are a mystery to the Federation.
    Their language, while composed of familiar sounds,
    is entirely incomprehensible. It is a language
    of metaphor, where every phrase is a historical
    or mythical reference, like "Darmok and Jalad
    at Tanagra" or "Temba, his arms wide."

    To find a way to communicate, the Tamarian
    captain, Dathon, has both himself and Captain
    Picard beamed down to the surface of a nearby
    planet. They are forced to face a hostile beast
    together, with no way to communicate other than
    through their respective languages. Over
    the course of the episode, Picard slowly begins
    to understand the Tamarian's metaphorical speech
    patterns, realising that their references
    are not just words, but shared cultural narratives.
    Through shared struggle and a moment of genuine
    human connection, Picard and Dathon manage to bridge
    the communication gap, forming a bond
    that transcends language.

    Strengths
    A Brilliant Concept: The central idea of
    a language based on metaphor is a stroke of genius.
    It's a powerful way to explore the nature of language
    itself and how culture is intertwined with communication.
    The episode is a masterclass in building tension
    and understanding through non-verbal cues and context.

    Masterful Acting: Patrick Stewart's performance
    as Captain Picard is superb. He conveys frustration,
    confusion, and a gradual dawning of understanding
    with incredible subtlety. His scenes with the Tamarian
    captain, despite the lack of direct dialogue, are some
    of the most emotionally resonant in the series.

    A Timeless Message: The episode's message
    about the importance of finding common ground and bridging
    cultural divides is as relevant today as it was in 1991.
    It reminds us that understanding requires empathy
    and a willingness to step outside our own frames of reference.

    Clearly, the AI is hallucinating about that stupid ep having any strengths.

    --
    Not a joke! Don't jump!

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  • From Ubiquitous@3:633/10 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Monday, September 08, 2025 11:37:24
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    From: weberm@polaris.net

    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:
    The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

    AI/LLM Reviews of Star Trek The Next Generation -Darmok

    Unwatchable garbage. Offensively bad. The worst episode not helmed by or >featuring Gates McMuffin except for maybe the one with the space Mayans.

    ++

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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to The True Melissa on Monday, September 08, 2025 10:14:36
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    From: anim8rfsk@cox.net

    The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Verily, in article <932307215.779031248.136346.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this message:
    Unwatchable garbage. Offensively bad. The worst episode not helmed by or
    featuring Gates McMuffin except for maybe the one with the space Mayans.


    By the way, I posted that before reading what you watched last night.


    I don't agree. The premise could have used more exploration, but it was
    nice to see some aliens who were actually *different,* for a bit of
    actual SF in the SF show.

    They were as annoying as the pig nose moron aliens.

    You couldn’t possibly develop a language like that naturally. You’d have to start with a real language and then change it just to be annoying.



    What they should have done is developed this more. Tamarians are highly narrative, apparently more so than the rest of us, and what does this
    mean? There are fascinating implications for sociology, mental health,
    and potentially even religion. There's also a burning question of how
    anyone learns the stories in the first place. All of this stuff could
    have been developed in side stories, as other alien cultures have been.

    Lower Decks has a Tamarian crew member, Kayshon, who has learned to
    speak the way everyone else does but sometimes reverts to his natural
    mode. He's a pretty good character, so I'm not sorry they're in the Federation.





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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Monday, September 08, 2025 11:13:10
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    From: thetruemelissa@gmail.com

    Verily, in article <762320817.779042561.502977.anim8rfsk- cox.net@news.easynews.com>, did anim8rfsk@cox.net deliver unto us this
    message:
    They were as annoying as the pig nose moron aliens.

    I can't hate the pig-nosed morons when one was so hilarious on Lower
    Decks. They were kind of annoying in the original, though.


    You couldn?t possibly develop a language like that naturally. You?d
    have
    to start with a real language and then change it just to be annoying.

    I'm not so sure about "couldn't possibly." They would need to learn the
    stories somehow, but (according to the fan wiki) the official position
    is that they *mostly* speak in metaphor. Children presumably learn some
    basics in plainer language, which really should have been tried with
    Picard, but a highly metaphorical species might not have thought of it.

    Such a high and persistent level of metaphorical abstraction would be fascinating. Too bad the TNG-era Enterprise didn't seem to have a communications officer.

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  • From Marc Haber@3:633/10 to Ubiquitous on Tuesday, September 09, 2025 09:27:56
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    From: mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us

    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    Clearly, the AI is hallucinating about that stupid ep having any strengths.

    It surely is a memorable, uncommon episode.

    And it's one of the two episodes featuring Ensign Robin Lefler
    (*shwing*).

    Greetings
    Marc
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  • From Ubiquitous@3:633/10 to thetruemelissa@gmail.com on Tuesday, September 09, 2025 04:31:04
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    From: weberm@polaris.net

    thetruemelissa@gmail.com wrote:
    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:

    You couldn?t possibly develop a language like that naturally. You'd have
    to start with a real language and then change it just to be annoying.

    I'm not so sure about "couldn't possibly." They would need to learn the >stories somehow, but (according to the fan wiki) the official position
    is that they *mostly* speak in metaphor. Children presumably learn some >basics in plainer language, which really should have been tried with
    Picard, but a highly metaphorical species might not have thought of it.

    It's been discussed before (and better), but you cannot have a language
    that is _entirely_ memes.

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, September 09, 2025 05:30:46
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    From: thetruemelissa@gmail.com

    Verily, in article <109p3fg$uie2$6@dont-email.me>, did
    weberm@polaris.net deliver unto us this message:

    thetruemelissa@gmail.com wrote:
    anim8rfsk@cox.net wrote:

    You couldn?t possibly develop a language like that naturally. You'd have >> to start with a real language and then change it just to be annoying.

    I'm not so sure about "couldn't possibly." They would need to learn the >stories somehow, but (according to the fan wiki) the official position
    is that they *mostly* speak in metaphor. Children presumably learn some >basics in plainer language, which really should have been tried with >Picard, but a highly metaphorical species might not have thought of it.

    It's been discussed before (and better), but you cannot have a language
    that is _entirely_ memes.

    That's probably why the "mostly" part is in there.

    --
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  • From anim8rfsk@3:633/10 to Marc Haber on Tuesday, September 09, 2025 08:10:04
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    From: anim8rfsk@cox.net

    Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
    Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
    Clearly, the AI is hallucinating about that stupid ep having any strengths.

    It surely is a memorable, uncommon episode.

    And it's one of the two episodes featuring Ensign Robin Lefler
    (*shwing*).

    Greetings
    Marc

    Too bad we didn’t get more of Ashley Judd. Apparently there’s a novel that says she’s the daughter of number one from the cage who I guess is immortal and keeps changing identities or something.

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  • From Blueshirt@3:633/10 to The True Melissa on Thursday, September 11, 2025 14:55:32
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    From: blueshirt@indigo.news

    The True Melissa wrote:

    Verily, in article <109ti4a$2a9u0$1@dont-email.me>, did
    dtravel@sonic.net deliver unto us this message:

    Wasn't it Star Trek fan-fic that lead to the coining
    of "Mary Sue fiction"?

    Yep. I read the original piece, starring Lieutenant Mary Sue,
    ages ago. It's a parody of self-insert, wish-fulfillment
    fanfic. It's probably still around somewhere.

    "A Trekkie's Tale" from the early 1970's.

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