Star Trek Enterprise had only really hit its stride and become a solid addition to the franchise by the third season of the show. The Zindi arc was well written and packed full of action, intrigue, and a compelling seasonl long story. But it was season 4 that made Enterprise the prequel it really should have been from the beginning. At last, we got stories that tied into longtime Trek cannon. Some brilliant episodes and fantastic writing. But for most fans, the highlight of that season was the two-part mirror universe episode, In a Mirror Darkly, where we see mirror universe versions of the NX01 crew, and they encounter the USS Defiant from the original series episode, The Tholian Web. The ship was sent back in time and into the mirror universe, and we got a fun two-parter out of that show. Now, as fun as that two-parter was, it could have potentially been even better because William Shatner was originally supposed to appear in those two episodes playing Tiberius, the mirror universe version of Captain James T. Kirk.
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The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in
TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like
getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the intolerant Galactose himself.
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in
TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>> getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the
intolerant Galactose himself.
There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in
TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>> getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the
intolerant Galactose himself.
There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first iteration of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them across the galaxy?
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in
TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first iteration >> of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and >> then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the >> goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them >> across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing "reboots".
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in
TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first iteration >> of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and >> then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the >> goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them >> across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing "reboots".
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal >>>>> humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth >>>> and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first
iteration of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely >>> wiped out and then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems
unlikely, and then the goauld came here in unas form and started
culling slaves and spreading them across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of
Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing "reboots".
Didn'??t the world end in knight Rider in 2010 or something?
On 2025-11-02 21:37:44 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal >>>>> humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth >>>> and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first iteration >>> of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and >>> then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the >>> goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them >>> across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of
Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing "reboots".
Of course, the comic book industry is just as bad, with massive >contridcitions thanks to continually altering the stories. :-(
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - inTrek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
normal
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
Earth
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
iteration
of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and >> then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the >> goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them >> across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
On 2025-11-03 05:26:45 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal >>>>>> humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth >>>>> and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first
iteration of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely >>>> wiped out and then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems
unlikely, and then the goauld came here in unas form and started
culling slaves and spreading them across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of
Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing "reboots".
Didn'??t the world end in knight Rider in 2010 or something?
I don't know that it ended, but the incredibly awful "Knight Rider
2010" movie was set in a dystopian Mad Max style world wherea lot of
things were gone ... including apparently the intelligence of the
people who made that utter garbage. It had *nothing* at all to do with
the TV series, so is easily ignored.
In article <10e8ja0$2ds87$1@dont-email.me>, YourName@YourISP.com wrote:
On 2025-11-02 21:37:44 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal >>>>>> humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth >>>>> and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first iteration
of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the >>>> goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of
Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing "reboots".
Of course, the comic book industry is just as bad, with massive
contridcitions thanks to continually altering the stories. :-(
CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS was sppsd to fix it, and it did, mostly.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
normal
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
Earth
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
iteration
of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and >>> then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the >>> goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them >>> across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of
Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern
media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the
genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then
complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion
that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of
pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that
they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't
seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
normal
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
Earth
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
iteration
of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the >>>> goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of
Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern
media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the
genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then
complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion
that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of
pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a
purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that
they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it >> less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't
seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale
On 2025-11-02 21:37:44 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go like >>>>>>> getting milk at the corner store.
Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal >>>>> humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth >>>> and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first
iteration of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely >>> wiped out and then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems
unlikely, and then the goauld came here in unas form and started
culling slaves and spreading them across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of
Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing "reboots".
Of course, the comic book industry is just as bad, with massive contridcitions thanks to continually altering the stories. :-(
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't "know" until the finale.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go likeTrek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
getting milk at the corner store.
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
normal
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
Earth
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-)
iteration
of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the
goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of >>>> Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern
media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the
genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then
complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion >>> that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of
pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a
purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that
they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it >>> less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't
seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale
Many of the characters (Maid
Marion for example), etc. were later additions to the stories by other people.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:iteration
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to >>>>>>> Earth
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just >>>>>>>> normal
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go likeTrek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
getting milk at the corner store.
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-) >>>>>> Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first
of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the
goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of >>>>> Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern
media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the
genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then
complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion >>>> that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of
pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a >>>> purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that >>>> they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it >>>> less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't
seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale
"know" until the finale.
I still don?t know how the hell they couldn?t find the USB ports in their wrists during an autopsy
On 11/3/2025 10:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:Or the LED lights in their spines. ;)
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to >>>>>>>> Earth
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says... >>>>>>>>>>> The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go likeI absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just >>>>>>>>> normal
getting milk at the corner store.Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the
intolerant Galactose himself.
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-) >>>>>>> Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first >>>>>>> iteration
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the
goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of >>>>>> Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now >>>>>> there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a >>>>>> third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar >>>>>> Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern
media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the
genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then
complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion >>>>> that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of
pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a >>>>> purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that >>>>> they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it
less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't >>>>> seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale >>>>
"know" until the finale.
I still don?t know how the hell they couldn?t find the USB ports in their
wrists during an autopsy
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/3/2025 10:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:Or the LED lights in their spines. ;)
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't >>>> "know" until the finale.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to >>>>>>>>> Earth
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>> The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go likeI absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just >>>>>>>>>> normal
getting milk at the corner store.Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the
intolerant Galactose himself.
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-) >>>>>>>> Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first >>>>>>>> iteration
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the
goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of >>>>>>> Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now >>>>>>> there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a >>>>>>> third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar >>>>>>> Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern
media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the >>>>>> genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then
complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion >>>>>> that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of
pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a >>>>>> purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that >>>>>> they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it
less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't >>>>>> seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale >>>>>
I still don?t know how the hell they couldn?t find the USB ports in their >>> wrists during an autopsy
In a blaze of stupidity, which goes to show what a wretched program it was, they actually addressed that when the producers told the audience that the spines don?t actually glow and the other characters wouldn?t see it, but
they just did it so the audience would know which Cylons were having
orgasms.
Of course, since everybody was a cylon, why did it possibly matter?
Except for star dough. I guess she wasn?t as cylon was she. But nobody
wanted her to have an orgasm anyway.
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> writes:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/3/2025 10:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:Or the LED lights in their spines. ;)
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't >>>>> "know" until the finale.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to >>>>>>>>>> Earth
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>>> The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go likeI absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just >>>>>>>>>>> normal
getting milk at the corner store.Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just >>>>>>>>>>>> Like Us in the end.
Melissa
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the
intolerant Galactose himself.
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-) >>>>>>>>> Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first >>>>>>>>> iteration
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the
goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of >>>>>>>> Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now >>>>>>>> there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a >>>>>>>> third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar >>>>>>>> Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern >>>>>>> media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the >>>>>>> genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then >>>>>>> complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion
that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of >>>>>>> pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a >>>>>>> purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that >>>>>>> they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it
less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't >>>>>>> seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale >>>>>>
I still don?t know how the hell they couldn?t find the USB ports in their >>>> wrists during an autopsy
In a blaze of stupidity, which goes to show what a wretched program it was, >> they actually addressed that when the producers told the audience that the >> spines don?t actually glow and the other characters wouldn?t see it, but
they just did it so the audience would know which Cylons were having
orgasms.
Of course, since everybody was a cylon, why did it possibly matter?
Except for star dough. I guess she wasn?t as cylon was she. But nobody
wanted her to have an orgasm anyway.
Can you explain 'star dough?' Second time I have seen that reference in
this thread..
Oh, is there a good Battlestar Galactica newsgroup?
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> writes:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/3/2025 10:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:Or the LED lights in their spines. ;)
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't >>>>> "know" until the finale.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to >>>>>>>>>> Earth
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>>> The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go likeI absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just >>>>>>>>>>> normal
getting milk at the corner store.Trek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just >>>>>>>>>>>> Like Us in the end.
Melissa
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the
intolerant Galactose himself.
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-) >>>>>>>>> Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first >>>>>>>>> iteration
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the
goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of >>>>>>>> Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now >>>>>>>> there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a >>>>>>>> third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar >>>>>>>> Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern >>>>>>> media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the >>>>>>> genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then >>>>>>> complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion
that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of >>>>>>> pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a >>>>>>> purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that >>>>>>> they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it
less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't >>>>>>> seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale >>>>>>
I still don?t know how the hell they couldn?t find the USB ports in their >>>> wrists during an autopsy
In a blaze of stupidity, which goes to show what a wretched program it was, >> they actually addressed that when the producers told the audience that the >> spines don?t actually glow and the other characters wouldn?t see it, but
they just did it so the audience would know which Cylons were having
orgasms.
Of course, since everybody was a cylon, why did it possibly matter?
Except for star dough. I guess she wasn?t as cylon was she. But nobody
wanted her to have an orgasm anyway.
Can you explain 'star dough?' Second time I have seen that reference in
this thread..
Oh, is there a good Battlestar Galactica newsgroup?
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> writes:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/3/2025 10:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't >>>>>> "know" until the finale.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:wiped out and then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems >>>>>>>>>> unlikely, and then the goauld came here in unas form and started >>>>>>>>>> culling slaves and spreading them across the galaxy?
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to Earth
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in TOS.I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just normal
It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go likeTrek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
getting milk at the corner store.
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just >>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Us in the end.
Melissa
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the
intolerant Galactose himself.
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-) >>>>>>>>>> Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first >>>>>>>>>> iteration of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of
Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now >>>>>>>>> there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a >>>>>>>>> third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar >>>>>>>>> Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing "reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern >>>>>>>> media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the >>>>>>>> genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then >>>>>>>> complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the >>>>>>>> notion that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of
pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a
purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that
they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made
it less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. >>>>>>>> Haven't seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale >>>>>>
I still don?t know how the hell they couldn?t find the USB ports in >>>>> their wrists during an autopsy
Or the LED lights in their spines. ;)
In a blaze of stupidity, which goes to show what a wretched program it
was, they actually addressed that when the producers told the audience
that the spines don?t actually glow and the other characters wouldn?t
see it, but they just did it so the audience would know which Cylons
were having orgasms.
Of course, since everybody was a cylon, why did it possibly matter?
Except for star dough. I guess she wasn?t as cylon was she. But nobody
wanted her to have an orgasm anyway.
Can you explain 'star dough?' Second time I have seen that reference in
this thread..
The original series had Starbuck.
The reboot series had Starbuck but made him a girl. Hence Stardoe.
Spellcheck changes Stardoe into Star Dough. No matter how many times I change it back.
Oh, is there a good Battlestar Galactica newsgroup?
Wouldn?t that require good Battlestar Galactica?
On 2025-11-05 07:05:38 +0000, Daniel said:
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> writes:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:Can you explain 'star dough?' Second time I have seen that reference
On 11/3/2025 10:59 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:In a blaze of stupidity, which goes to show what a wretched program
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:Or the LED lights in their spines. ;)
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:I still don?t know how the hell they couldn?t find the USB ports
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't >>>>>> "know" until the finale.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to >>>>>>>>>>> Earth
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - inI absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just >>>>>>>>>>>> normal
TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go likeTrek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
getting milk at the corner store.
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just >>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Us in the end.
Melissa
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the
intolerant Galactose himself.
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-) >>>>>>>>>> Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first >>>>>>>>>> iteration
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the
goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
versions of
Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now >>>>>>>>> there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a >>>>>>>>> third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as
Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing >>>>>>>>> "reboots".
modern
media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past,
change the
genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then >>>>>>>> complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion
that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of >>>>>>>> pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a
purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly
irked that
they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it
less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't >>>>>>>> seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
the finale
in their
wrists during an autopsy
it was,
they actually addressed that when the producers told the audience that the >>> spines don?t actually glow and the other characters wouldn?t see it, but >>> they just did it so the audience would know which Cylons were having
orgasms.
Of course, since everybody was a cylon, why did it possibly matter?
Except for star dough. I guess she wasn?t as cylon was she. But
nobody
wanted her to have an orgasm anyway.
in
this thread..
They mean "Stardoe", as opposed to Starbuck ... unless they think the
actress is soft, pudgey, and easily manipulated. ;-)
Oh, is there a good Battlestar Galactica newsgroup?
alt.battlestar-galactica
although there's rarely anything in it.
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
On 2025-11-02 15:18:53 +0000, anim8rfsk said:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-11-02 06:35:48 +0000, anim8rfsk said:iteration
The True Melissa <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:There's always the opposite approach, where humans are brought to >>>>>>> Earth
In article <878qgp8nqi.fsf@rpi3>, me@sc1f1dan.com says...I absolutely hate origins that turn alien characters into just >>>>>>>> normal
The mirror universe thread should've stayed where it started - in >>>>>>>>>> TOS. It was SO lame how they folded it into a routine place to go likeTrek always does this: It hints at SF, then turns
getting milk at the corner store.
everything mundane. Even the Borg turned out to be Just
Like Us in the end.
Melissa
humans who got transformed from the silver surfer to the Daleks to the >>>>>>>> intolerant Galactose himself.
and other planets by aliens (Stargate would be one example). :-) >>>>>> Stargate history has never made much sense. Apparently the first
of humans came to earth from Pegasus and then were completely wiped out and
then re-emerged on earth independently, which seems unlikely, and then the
goauld came here in unas form and started culling slaves and spreading them
across the galaxy?
Part of the reason is that there are actually two separate versions of >>>>> Stargate franchise - the movie version and the TV version. Even now
there are two lots of plans for more in both versions, as well as a
third reboot plan. Hopefully they all get binned. :-\
There are similar issues with other franchises, such as Battlestar
Galactica, Knight Rider, etc. thanks to the lazy idiots doing
"reboots".
It seems we are simpatico about the lack of creativity in modern
media.
Today's mantra is, reboot something that worked in past, change the
genders and races of the heroes because no one will notice, then
complain about the lack of audience when it fails. Forgetting the notion >>>> that the audience being targeted don't wish to be the subject of
pandering. Don't forget to kill off the heroes of the past and inject a >>>> purple haired woman to replace him.
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that >>>> they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it >>>> less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't
seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale
"know" until the finale.
I still don?t know how the hell they couldn?t find the USB ports in their wrists during an autopsy
anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:Hey, BTR, are you getting one of those?
On 11/3/2025 3:58 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:I still don?t know how the hell they couldn?t find the USB ports in their >> wrists during an autopsy
Daniel <me@sc1f1dan.com> wrote:I remember there being hints during the final season but yes, we didn't >>> "know" until the finale.
I don?t think the secret about star dough was revealed until the finale >>>>
While I did enjoy the Galactica reboot, I was only slightly irked that >>>>> they changed Starbuck's sex. I would have loved the reboot if they made it
less predictable. The secret was revealed on the pilot, iirc. Haven't >>>>> seen the show in two decades, so I could be wrong.
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