• {Question} Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, or the ceiling is comi

    From Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, October 17, 2026 20:27:39
    Subject: {Question} Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, or the ceiling is coming down

    Dear rec.arts.sf.written,

    Is there a known /first/ literary example of the trap in the Temple of
    Doom? I know Dungeons & Dragons had some of these traps, but i don't
    know if those pre-date the movie or not.

    So, to recap, is there a known first literary example of the ceiling is
    coming down, spikes are coming from the floor traps? I believe Terry
    Pratchett made jokes about these literary devices, but I don't know
    where he could have read them, if not just watched the movies.



    Best wishes, and happy ceilings!
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  • From Tony Nance@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, October 17, 2026 09:09:24
    Subject: Re: {Question} Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, or the ceiling is coming down

    On 10/17/26 8:27 AM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    Dear rec.arts.sf.written,

    Is there a known /first/ literary example of the trap in the Temple of
    Doom?ÿ I know Dungeons & Dragons had some of these traps, but i don't
    know if those pre-date the movie or not.

    So, to recap, is there a known first literary example of the ceiling is coming down, spikes are coming from the floor traps?ÿ I believe Terry Pratchett made jokes about these literary devices, but I don't know
    where he could have read them, if not just watched the movies.



    Best wishes, and happy ceilings!

    I don't know what the first one would be, but maybe we can glue some
    things together.

    The descending ceiling acting as a mechanical death trap has prominent
    roots in early 19th-century Gothic horror, and became somewhat common,
    or at least known/used in literature.

    Spikes...in Poe's "The Pit and the Pendulum" (for example) it is
    "understood" that the pit was a "spike pit", of the sort one might use
    in the jungle hunting large animals.

    Internet searching indicates the following:

    1) Floor spikes are specifically mentioned in Wilkie Collins' "The
    Moonstone" (1868), Burton Stevenson's "The Mystery of the Boule Cabinet" (1912), and Sax Rohmer's Fu Manchu "The Insidious Dr. Fu Manchu" (1913).

    2) The combination of the two is generally used in pulp magazines and
    comics literature in the 1930s-1950s (Weird tales, Astounding Stories,
    The Phantom). A few specific stories cited: "The Spider and the Fire
    God" (1933), and The Phantom story arc(s) dealing with the Singh
    Brotherhood (late 1930s - early 40s)

    3) The initial D&D instances would pre-date the Indiana Jones movie.

    Best I can do for now,
    Tony

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  • From Don@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 19, 2026 01:03:15
    Subject: Re: {Question} Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, or the ceiling is coming down

    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 10/17/26 8:27 AM, Johann 'Myrkraverk' Oskarsson wrote:
    Dear rec.arts.sf.written,

    Is there a known /first/ literary example of the trap in the Temple of
    Doom?ÿ I know Dungeons & Dragons had some of these traps, but i don't
    know if those pre-date the movie or not.

    So, to recap, is there a known first literary example of the ceiling is
    coming down, spikes are coming from the floor traps?ÿ I believe Terry
    Pratchett made jokes about these literary devices, but I don't know
    where he could have read them, if not just watched the movies.



    Best wishes, and happy ceilings!

    I don't know what the first one would be, but maybe we can glue some
    things together.

    The descending ceiling acting as a mechanical death trap has prominent
    roots in early 19th-century Gothic horror, and became somewhat common,
    or at least known/used in literature.

    Spikes...in Poe's "The Pit and the Pendulum" (for example) it is
    "understood" that the pit was a "spike pit", of the sort one might use
    in the jungle hunting large animals.

    Internet searching indicates the following:

    1) Floor spikes are specifically mentioned in Wilkie Collins' "The
    Moonstone" (1868), Burton Stevenson's "The Mystery of the Boule Cabinet" (1912), and Sax Rohmer's Fu Manchu "The Insidious Dr. Fu Manchu" (1913).

    2) The combination of the two is generally used in pulp magazines and
    comics literature in the 1930s-1950s (Weird tales, Astounding Stories,
    The Phantom). A few specific stories cited: "The Spider and the Fire
    God" (1933), and The Phantom story arc(s) dealing with the Singh
    Brotherhood (late 1930s - early 40s)

    3) The initial D&D instances would pre-date the Indiana Jones movie.

    Best I can do for now,

    Humans hidden by the narrative physically put the protagonist into THE
    PIT AND THE PENDULUM torture room prior to the story's start. Unseen
    human operators control the titular pendulum as well as the perimetric
    shape and temperature of the room's walls. The pit's centered in the
    room.
    After the protagonist extricates himself from the pendulum's reach,
    the walls that surround the pit heat up and gradually transform from
    square to lozenge, or rhombus. The intent is to push the room's occupant
    into the pit.
    White hot ceiling luminance provides the protagonist with his first
    glimpse into the pit, whence big rats previously appeared:

    The glare from the enkindled roof illumined its inmost
    recesses. Yet, for a wild moment, did my spirit refuse
    to comprehend the meaning of what I saw. At length it
    forced-it wrestled its way into my soul-it burned itself
    in upon my shuddering reason. Oh! for a voice to speak!-
    oh! horror!-oh! any horror but this! With a shriek, I
    rushed from the margin, and buried my face in my hands-
    weeping bitterly.

    That's it. That's the beginning and the end of the physical description
    of the pit. Such a paltry portrayal seems marginally McGuffinish. It
    offers an explanation as to why adaptations focus solely on the
    pendulum.
    Did intentional authorial misdirection give the storied pit a place
    of prominence in the title only to later belittle the pit by mostly
    ignoring it for the sake of story tension? Or, more likely, Pit and the Pendulum sounded superior to Poe's profoundly poetic ear.

    Note.

    [1] "The Pit and the Pendulum" - about October 1842
    <https://www.eapoe.org/works/tales/pitpdma.htm>

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