?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great- product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world?
ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great-
product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world?
ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great-
product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world?
ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
With downforce, and lateral jets aiding cornering,
it will be interesting.
pt
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great-
product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world?
ÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of
propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great-
product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world?
ÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction
for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of
propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
I wonder how they'd fare in a collision.
pt
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great- >>>>>> product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world? >>>>>> ÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction
for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of
propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high
speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
You could even include some sort of automatic mechanism to attach
several such vehicles together very quickly,
and use the compressed air for a fail-safe brake.
Hold my coffee while I go to the USPTO...
(What's scary is that they'd probably let me patent this, it's the
USPTO, after all.)
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some >overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and >dangerous.
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some >>overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and >>dangerous.
When I was a kid, I visited my grandparents in Pittsburgh and asked why people didn't just put a pantograph on their car to use the power from
the streetcar catenaries without having to pay for it. I never did get
a good answer.
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great-
product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world?
ÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction
for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of
propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
I wonder how they'd fare in a collision.
pt
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great- >>>>>>> product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world? >>>>>>> ÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction
for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of
propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high
speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and dangerous.
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great- >>>>>>> product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world? >>>>>>> ÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction
for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of
propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high
speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and dangerous.
On 10/17/2026 2:57 AM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:The wire would be stolen as fast as it was replaced.
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great- >>>>>>>> product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world? >>>>>>>> ÿÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction >>>>> for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of
propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high
speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some
overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
On 10/17/2026 2:57 AM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:The wire would be stolen as fast as it was replaced.
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great- >>>>>>>> product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world? >>>>>>>> ÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction >>>>> for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of
propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high
speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some
overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high
speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some
overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
Wires are not a necessary component of electricity. Have you seen the
Apple Watch? It has no input jack, but charges by sitting on a little
pad that comes with the iPhone.
Blaine <cactus_DAC@yahoo.com> wrote:
Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high >>>> speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some
overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
Wires are not a necessary component of electricity. Have you seen the
Apple Watch? It has no input jack, but charges by sitting on a little
pad that comes with the iPhone.
Inductive charging of mobile devices (mostly phones) has been available, depending on device, for quite some time (apparently first was the
Palm Pre in 2009). But the power transferred that way is a few watts
at most, whereas to power a car you need at least a few kilowatts
(if the car is light, not heavily loaded and moving not all that fast).
There have been, on and off, experiments with embedding inductive charging coils at bus stops right where the bus is sitting to charge the batteries
of battery-electric busses, but TTOMBK none of those have been deployed
for production use.
Kind regards,
Alex.
Inductive charging of mobile devices (mostly phones) has been available, >depending on device, for quite some time (apparently first was the
Palm Pre in 2009). But the power transferred that way is a few watts
at most, whereas to power a car you need at least a few kilowatts
(if the car is light, not heavily loaded and moving not all that fast).
There have been, on and off, experiments with embedding inductive charging >coils at bus stops right where the bus is sitting to charge the batteries
of battery-electric busses, but TTOMBK none of those have been deployed
for production use.
There have been, on and off, experiments with embedding inductive charging >>coils at bus stops right where the bus is sitting to charge the batteries >>of battery-electric busses, but TTOMBK none of those have been deployed
for production use.
You need a spring-loaded gadget under the bus so that the coil can ride
right on top of the charging coil as close as possible. And if you are
doing that, why not just contacts that plug in?
You need a spring-loaded gadget under the bus so that the coil can ride
right on top of the charging coil as close as possible. And if you are
doing that, why not just contacts that plug in?
--scott
Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 10/17/2026 2:57 AM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:Au contraire. Not if you go the Xocyll route: the wire is electrified, rounded by razor blade barb wire, and there will be some no trespassing signs too.
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:The wire would be stolen as fast as it was replaced.
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases- >>>>>>>>> great-
product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the >>>>>>>>> world?
ÿÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction >>>>>> for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of >>>>>> propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high >>>> speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some
overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
On 10/17/2026 10:32 AM, Blaine wrote:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:That doesn't seem to be stopping the current thieves....
On 10/17/2026 2:57 AM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:Au contraire. Not if you go the Xocyll route: the wire is
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:The wire would be stolen as fast as it was replaced.
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases- >>>>>>>>>> great-
product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the >>>>>>>>>> world?
ÿÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction >>>>>>> for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of >>>>>>> propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high >>>>> speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for >>>>> motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some >>>> overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would >>>> do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
electrified, rounded by razor blade barb wire, and there will be
some no trespassing signs too.
Let's rephrase that to "stopping the thieves currently doing so" since current thieves just steal the electricity.
2 arrested, 4 tons of copper seized in Downtown LA sting https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/2-arrested-4-tons-of-copper-seized-in-downtown-la-sting/3957506/
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Inductive charging of mobile devices (mostly phones) has been available, >>depending on device, for quite some time (apparently first was the
Palm Pre in 2009). But the power transferred that way is a few watts
at most, whereas to power a car you need at least a few kilowatts
(if the car is light, not heavily loaded and moving not all that fast).
Oh, you can get plenty of power if the distance between the two coils is small enough. The inductive charging system is a transformer, with the primary in the charger and the secondary in the device. Like all transformers, having a gap in the core (in this case two gaps, breaking
the coil into two halves, one in each devices) makes it very lossy
with losses that increase dramatically at low frequencies.
So the key is to keep the gap as narrow as possible (under a mil
hopefully, but a few mils can work) and the operating frequency
as high as possible while keeping under Part 15 radio interference
limits.
There have been, on and off, experiments with embedding inductive charging >>coils at bus stops right where the bus is sitting to charge the batteries >>of battery-electric busses, but TTOMBK none of those have been deployed
for production use.
You need a spring-loaded gadget under the bus so that the coil can ride
right on top of the charging coil as close as possible. And if you are
doing that, why not just contacts that plug in?
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some
overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
When I was a kid, I visited my grandparents in Pittsburgh and asked why
people didn't just put a pantograph on their car to use the power from
the streetcar catenaries without having to pay for it. I never did get
a good answer.
It doesn't work for cars because cars tend to go "everywhere". It does, however, work very well for vehicles that keep running the exact same
route repeatedly - e.g. busses. For instance in Zurich, Switzerland
there are 6 bus lines that use trolley busses: electric busses powered
via trolley poles from overhead wires. Perfect for inside-the-city
public transport, being quiet and clean (no exhaust fumes or engine
noise from a diesel engine). They used to have small backup diesel
generators for short distances (e.g. when the overhead power wires were
out or under maintenance), but these days they have batteries instead.
Kind regards,
Alex.
On 10/17/2026 2:57 AM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:The wire would be stolen as fast as it was replaced.
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great- >>>>>>>> product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world? >>>>>>>> ÿÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction >>>>> for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of
propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high
speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some
overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Inductive charging of mobile devices (mostly phones) has been available, >>> depending on device, for quite some time (apparently first was the
Palm Pre in 2009). But the power transferred that way is a few watts
at most, whereas to power a car you need at least a few kilowatts
(if the car is light, not heavily loaded and moving not all that fast).
Oh, you can get plenty of power if the distance between the two coils is
small enough. The inductive charging system is a transformer, with the
primary in the charger and the secondary in the device. Like all
transformers, having a gap in the core (in this case two gaps, breaking
the coil into two halves, one in each devices) makes it very lossy
with losses that increase dramatically at low frequencies.
So the key is to keep the gap as narrow as possible (under a mil
hopefully, but a few mils can work) and the operating frequency
as high as possible while keeping under Part 15 radio interference
limits.
There have been, on and off, experiments with embedding inductive charging >>> coils at bus stops right where the bus is sitting to charge the batteries >>> of battery-electric busses, but TTOMBK none of those have been deployed
for production use.
You need a spring-loaded gadget under the bus so that the coil can ride
right on top of the charging coil as close as possible. And if you are
doing that, why not just contacts that plug in?
Contacts are messy: they are in an environment exposed to water, oil
(from leaking vehicles), salt (winter), plenty of dirt ... fully
encapsulated magnetic charging can avoid all of that (or rather not
care all that much). And I have just learned that apparently a trial
is planned for charging busses that way in 2028 at the ZRH airport.
We'll see.
Kind regards,
Alex.
On 10/17/26 10:17, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 10/17/2026 2:57 AM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:The wire would be stolen as fast as it was replaced.
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great- >>>>>>>>> product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world? >>>>>>>>> ÿÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction >>>>>> for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of >>>>>> propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high >>>> speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for
motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some
overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would
do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
Not with 800 V DC traveling through it.
Thieves are not quite that dumb though some tried to
do a power substation and got electrocuted for stupidity a
few years back maybe before Covid-19 restrictions.
On 10/17/26 16:11, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Inductive charging of mobile devices (mostly phones) has been available, >>>> depending on device, for quite some time (apparently first was theOh, you can get plenty of power if the distance between the two coils is >>> small enough. The inductive charging system is a transformer, with the
Palm Pre in 2009). But the power transferred that way is a few watts
at most, whereas to power a car you need at least a few kilowatts
(if the car is light, not heavily loaded and moving not all that fast). >>>
primary in the charger and the secondary in the device. Like all
transformers, having a gap in the core (in this case two gaps, breaking
the coil into two halves, one in each devices) makes it very lossy
with losses that increase dramatically at low frequencies.
So the key is to keep the gap as narrow as possible (under a mil
hopefully, but a few mils can work) and the operating frequency
as high as possible while keeping under Part 15 radio interference
limits.
There have been, on and off, experiments with embedding inductive charging >>>> coils at bus stops right where the bus is sitting to charge the batteries >>>> of battery-electric busses, but TTOMBK none of those have been deployed >>>> for production use.
You need a spring-loaded gadget under the bus so that the coil can ride
right on top of the charging coil as close as possible. And if you are
doing that, why not just contacts that plug in?
Contacts are messy: they are in an environment exposed to water, oil
(from leaking vehicles), salt (winter), plenty of dirt ... fully
encapsulated magnetic charging can avoid all of that (or rather not
care all that much). And I have just learned that apparently a trial
is planned for charging busses that way in 2028 at the ZRH airport.
We'll see.
Kind regards,
Alex.
Contacts that plug in can be as presently in all electrical
cars that do plug in and are thus protected by design.
On 10/17/26 08:18, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some >>>> overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would >>>> do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
When I was a kid, I visited my grandparents in Pittsburgh and asked why
people didn't just put a pantograph on their car to use the power from
the streetcar catenaries without having to pay for it. I never did get
a good answer.
It doesn't work for cars because cars tend to go "everywhere". It does,
however, work very well for vehicles that keep running the exact same
route repeatedly - e.g. busses. For instance in Zurich, Switzerland
there are 6 bus lines that use trolley busses: electric busses powered
via trolley poles from overhead wires. Perfect for inside-the-city
public transport, being quiet and clean (no exhaust fumes or engine
noise from a diesel engine). They used to have small backup diesel
generators for short distances (e.g. when the overhead power wires were
out or under maintenance), but these days they have batteries instead.
Kind regards,
Alex.
One system proposed for cars with batteries was to charge them
by induction from cables laid beneath the road way. The cables would
be powered by roadside solar panels and wind farms.
I don't think our San Francisco Trolley cars or buses have
backup batteries.
BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> wrote:
On 10/17/26 16:11, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
Inductive charging of mobile devices (mostly phones) has been available, >>>>> depending on device, for quite some time (apparently first was theOh, you can get plenty of power if the distance between the two coils is >>>> small enough. The inductive charging system is a transformer, with the >>>> primary in the charger and the secondary in the device. Like all
Palm Pre in 2009). But the power transferred that way is a few watts >>>>> at most, whereas to power a car you need at least a few kilowatts
(if the car is light, not heavily loaded and moving not all that fast). >>>>
transformers, having a gap in the core (in this case two gaps, breaking >>>> the coil into two halves, one in each devices) makes it very lossy
with losses that increase dramatically at low frequencies.
So the key is to keep the gap as narrow as possible (under a mil
hopefully, but a few mils can work) and the operating frequency
as high as possible while keeping under Part 15 radio interference
limits.
There have been, on and off, experiments with embedding inductive charging
coils at bus stops right where the bus is sitting to charge the batteries >>>>> of battery-electric busses, but TTOMBK none of those have been deployed >>>>> for production use.
You need a spring-loaded gadget under the bus so that the coil can ride >>>> right on top of the charging coil as close as possible. And if you are >>>> doing that, why not just contacts that plug in?
Contacts are messy: they are in an environment exposed to water, oil
(from leaking vehicles), salt (winter), plenty of dirt ... fully
encapsulated magnetic charging can avoid all of that (or rather not
care all that much). And I have just learned that apparently a trial
is planned for charging busses that way in 2028 at the ZRH airport.
We'll see.
Kind regards,
Alex.
Contacts that plug in can be as presently in all electrical
cars that do plug in and are thus protected by design.
But those tend to not be built into the pavement to rise up on demand
and plug in from below. Just a nicely covered charging port on the side
of the vehicle and either another nicely covered port or rolled up cable
on the charging station. Much simpler to keep clean.
On 10/17/26 08:18, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some >>>> overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would >>>> do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and
dangerous.
When I was a kid, I visited my grandparents in Pittsburgh and asked why
people didn't just put a pantograph on their car to use the power from
the streetcar catenaries without having to pay for it. I never did get
a good answer.
It doesn't work for cars because cars tend to go "everywhere". It does,
however, work very well for vehicles that keep running the exact same
route repeatedly - e.g. busses. For instance in Zurich, Switzerland
there are 6 bus lines that use trolley busses: electric busses powered
via trolley poles from overhead wires. Perfect for inside-the-city
public transport, being quiet and clean (no exhaust fumes or engine
noise from a diesel engine). They used to have small backup diesel
generators for short distances (e.g. when the overhead power wires were
out or under maintenance), but these days they have batteries instead.
Kind regards,
Alex.
One system proposed for cars with batteries was to charge them
by induction from cables laid beneath the road way. The cables would
be powered by roadside solar panels and wind farms.
On 2026-10-17, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 10/17/2026 10:32 AM, Blaine wrote:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:That doesn't seem to be stopping the current thieves....
On 10/17/2026 2:57 AM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:Au contraire. Not if you go the Xocyll route: the wire is
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:The wire would be stolen as fast as it was replaced.
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases- >>>>>>>>>>> great-
product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the >>>>>>>>>>> world?
ÿÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction >>>>>>>> for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of >>>>>>>> propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high >>>>>> speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for >>>>>> motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some >>>>> overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would >>>>> do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and >>>>> dangerous.
electrified, rounded by razor blade barb wire, and there will be
some no trespassing signs too.
Let's rephrase that to "stopping the thieves currently doing so" since
current thieves just steal the electricity.
2 arrested, 4 tons of copper seized in Downtown LA sting
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/2-arrested-4-tons-of-copper-seized-in-downtown-la-sting/3957506/
Telecom wires are certainly not on the same difficulty ballpark of
exposed conductors delivering 25 kV AC, which also tend to be deployed
high enough to provide sufficient loading gauge.
BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> writes:
On 10/17/26 08:18, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some >>>>> overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would >>>>> do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and >>>>> dangerous.
When I was a kid, I visited my grandparents in Pittsburgh and asked why >>>> people didn't just put a pantograph on their car to use the power from >>>> the streetcar catenaries without having to pay for it. I never did get >>>> a good answer.
It doesn't work for cars because cars tend to go "everywhere". It does,
however, work very well for vehicles that keep running the exact same
route repeatedly - e.g. busses. For instance in Zurich, Switzerland
there are 6 bus lines that use trolley busses: electric busses powered
via trolley poles from overhead wires. Perfect for inside-the-city
public transport, being quiet and clean (no exhaust fumes or engine
noise from a diesel engine). They used to have small backup diesel
generators for short distances (e.g. when the overhead power wires were
out or under maintenance), but these days they have batteries instead.
Kind regards,
Alex.
One system proposed for cars with batteries was to charge them
by induction from cables laid beneath the road way. The cables would
be powered by roadside solar panels and wind farms.
https://electreon.com/projects/the-nations-first-wireless-charging-road-in-detroit/
IIRC, in Heinlein's _The Roads must Roll_, the roads were covered
with solar panels.
BobbieSellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.invalid> writes:
On 10/17/26 08:18, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> wrote:
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some >>>>> overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would >>>>> do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and >>>>> dangerous.
When I was a kid, I visited my grandparents in Pittsburgh and asked why >>>> people didn't just put a pantograph on their car to use the power from >>>> the streetcar catenaries without having to pay for it. I never did get >>>> a good answer.
It doesn't work for cars because cars tend to go "everywhere". It does,
however, work very well for vehicles that keep running the exact same
route repeatedly - e.g. busses. For instance in Zurich, Switzerland
there are 6 bus lines that use trolley busses: electric busses powered
via trolley poles from overhead wires. Perfect for inside-the-city
public transport, being quiet and clean (no exhaust fumes or engine
noise from a diesel engine). They used to have small backup diesel
generators for short distances (e.g. when the overhead power wires were
out or under maintenance), but these days they have batteries instead.
Kind regards,
Alex.
One system proposed for cars with batteries was to charge them
by induction from cables laid beneath the road way. The cables would
be powered by roadside solar panels and wind farms.
https://electreon.com/projects/the-nations-first-wireless-charging-road-in-detroit/
IIRC, in Heinlein's _The Roads must Roll_, the roads were covered
with solar panels.
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes:
On 2026-10-17, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 10/17/2026 10:32 AM, Blaine wrote:
That doesn't seem to be stopping the current thieves....
Let's rephrase that to "stopping the thieves currently doing so" since
current thieves just steal the electricity.
2 arrested, 4 tons of copper seized in Downtown LA sting
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/2-arrested-4-tons-of-copper-seized-in-downtown-la-sting/3957506/
Telecom wires are certainly not on the same difficulty ballpark of
exposed conductors delivering 25 kV AC, which also tend to be deployed
high enough to provide sufficient loading gauge.
The VAST majority of primary circuit wiring (12kv and higher) is
Aluminum, not copper.
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes:
On 2026-10-17, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 10/17/2026 10:32 AM, Blaine wrote:
That doesn't seem to be stopping the current thieves....
Let's rephrase that to "stopping the thieves currently doing so" since >>>> current thieves just steal the electricity.
2 arrested, 4 tons of copper seized in Downtown LA sting
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/2-arrested-4-tons-of-copper-seized-in-downtown-la-sting/3957506/
Telecom wires are certainly not on the same difficulty ballpark of >>>exposed conductors delivering 25 kV AC, which also tend to be deployed >>>high enough to provide sufficient loading gauge.
The VAST majority of primary circuit wiring (12kv and higher) is
Aluminum, not copper.
Which I suspect has frustrated many a copper thief, but not before they >damaged the infrastructure.
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> writes:
On 2026-10-17, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 10/17/2026 10:32 AM, Blaine wrote:
Dimensional Traveler wrote:That doesn't seem to be stopping the current thieves....
On 10/17/2026 2:57 AM, Alexander Schreiber wrote:Au contraire. Not if you go the Xocyll route: the wire is
Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:The wire would be stolen as fast as it was replaced.
On 2026-10-17, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:58 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 10/16/2026 12:09 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <11atk4n$3fedh$1@dont-email.me>,
Cryptoengineerÿ <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/16/2026 2:13 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases- >>>>>>>>>>>> great-
product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the >>>>>>>>>>>> world?
ÿÿ ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
Lynn
Its a really, really impressive stunt.
But its just a stunt, with little practical use.
During the whole demo, it probably spent less than
10 seconds in the air. What's the max duration?
What I want to see is it run the Nuremberg Ring.
I want it to make the Kessel Run!
The car has an air compressor in it, that is how it gets the suction >>>>>>>>> for crazy four gravity cornering, so that it will never run out of >>>>>>>>> propellant air.ÿ That is, until the battery runs out.
Reportedly, recharging the COPV air tanks is very, very slow.
If only we had electric vehicles with air compressors, capable of high >>>>>>> speed and with great capacity, and even without needing a battery for >>>>>>> motor operation, now that'd be groundbreaking.
But how could you run electric vehicles without batteries? String some >>>>>> overhead wire, attach conductors to it and power it that way? Who would >>>>>> do that, sounds complicated, expensive (think of all that wire!) and >>>>>> dangerous.
electrified, rounded by razor blade barb wire, and there will be
some no trespassing signs too.
Let's rephrase that to "stopping the thieves currently doing so" since
current thieves just steal the electricity.
2 arrested, 4 tons of copper seized in Downtown LA sting
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/2-arrested-4-tons-of-copper-seized-in-downtown-la-sting/3957506/
Telecom wires are certainly not on the same difficulty ballpark of
exposed conductors delivering 25 kV AC, which also tend to be deployed
high enough to provide sufficient loading gauge.
The VAST majority of primary circuit wiring (12kv and higher) is
Aluminum, not copper.
Oh, you can get plenty of power if the distance between the two coils is >small enough. The inductive charging system is a transformer, with the >primary in the charger and the secondary in the device. Like all >transformers, having a gap in the core (in this case two gaps, breaking
the coil into two halves, one in each devices) makes it very lossy
with losses that increase dramatically at low frequencies.
So the key is to keep the gap as narrow as possible (under a mil
hopefully, but a few mils can work) and the operating frequency
as high as possible while keeping under Part 15 radio interference
limits
There have been, on and off, experiments with embedding inductive charging >>coils at bus stops right where the bus is sitting to charge the batteries >>of battery-electric busses, but TTOMBK none of those have been deployed
for production use.
You need a spring-loaded gadget under the bus so that the coil can ride
right on top of the charging coil as close as possible. And if you are
doing that, why not just contacts that plug in?
?Tesla?s Flying Car Is Real!?
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/will-it-fly-musk-teases-great- product-demo-all-time-tonights-tesla-roadster-reveal
Tesla?s new Roadster has thrusters and can fly?ÿ What in the world?
ÿÿ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHXrLzUKJc
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