• Rich Larson and the awards

    From Patrick@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 13, 2026 09:28:23
    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 13, 2026 12:31:57
    In article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
    Patrick <patrick.creusot@gmail.com> wrote:
    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?

    Because he has yet to receive enough nominations and votes to win
    those awards.


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  • From WolfFan@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 13, 2026 11:27:48
    On Oct 13, 2026, Patrick wrote
    (in article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>):

    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

    Look at who did get nominated.All six were women of the nominees for Best Short Story Hugo for 2025. Five of six nominees for Best Novelette were
    women. Five of six for Best Novella. Four of six for Best Novel. Four of six for Best Series. The 2024 and 2023 Hugos were about the same; indeed, several nominees were on all three lists. For some reason just three guys were up
    more than once.

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.


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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 13, 2026 11:45:02
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
    Patrick <patrick.creusot@gmail.com> wrote:
    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?

    Because he has yet to receive enough nominations and votes to win
    those awards.

    If there is something current you think is worthy of an award, let us know
    and I bet a bunch of people would be happy to give him a Hugo nomination.
    The hard part is that it has to be new enough and I seldom read anything new enough to nominate these days.
    --scott
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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 13, 2026 18:04:02
    In article <11aljlu$8g6$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
    Patrick <patrick.creusot@gmail.com> wrote:
    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science >>>fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula >>>or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?

    Because he has yet to receive enough nominations and votes to win
    those awards.

    If there is something current you think is worthy of an award, let us know >and I bet a bunch of people would be happy to give him a Hugo nomination.
    The hard part is that it has to be new enough and I seldom read anything new >enough to nominate these days.

    It can be surprisingly easy for fans of an author to generate enough
    support to get an author a nomination. For example, as far as I can
    tell, Fred Pohl got a Best Fan Hugo nomination because I mentioned
    he was eligible due to his blog, and it got mentioned by... Jo? I think?
    on tor.com.

    (Yes, same year that I was a BFH finalist for the first time. Go, timing)
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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 13, 2026 18:04:42
    In article <0001HW.307E8574014668CD70000793C38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Patrick wrote
    (in article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>):

    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

    Look at who did get nominated.All six were women of the nominees for Best >Short Story Hugo for 2025. Five of six nominees for Best Novelette were >women. Five of six for Best Novella. Four of six for Best Novel. Four of six >for Best Series. The 2024 and 2023 Hugos were about the same; indeed, several >nominees were on all three lists. For some reason just three guys were up >more than once.

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.


    Is it coooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmunism?
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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 13, 2026 18:22:20
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
    In article <0001HW.307E8574014668CD70000793C38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Patrick wrote
    (in article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>):

    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

    Look at who did get nominated.All six were women of the nominees for Best >>Short Story Hugo for 2025. Five of six nominees for Best Novelette were >>women. Five of six for Best Novella. Four of six for Best Novel. Four of six >>for Best Series. The 2024 and 2023 Hugos were about the same; indeed, several
    nominees were on all three lists. For some reason just three guys were up >>more than once.

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.


    Is it coooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmunism?

    Or maybe their stories were just better than the rest in 2025.

    I picked up a copy of The Year's Best Science Fiction #8 (1990)

    Not bad, until I got to:

    The Coon Rolled Down and Ruptured His Larinks, a Squeezed Novel by Mr. Skunk

    (Author: Dafydd ab Hugh)

    Which was almost unreadable, and seemed to be a rather pointless
    series of bad puns (Santa's Anus winds). Not sure how this made
    the cut.

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  • From BCFD 36@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 13, 2026 15:41:23
    On 10/13/26 08:27, WolfFan wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Patrick wrote
    (in article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>):

    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

    Look at who did get nominated.All six were women of the nominees for Best Short Story Hugo for 2025. Five of six nominees for Best Novelette were women. Five of six for Best Novella. Four of six for Best Novel. Four of six for Best Series. The 2024 and 2023 Hugos were about the same; indeed, several nominees were on all three lists. For some reason just three guys were up more than once.

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.

    Would you like to share with us what conclusions you have drawn?

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, October 13, 2026 18:53:17
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.

    Is it coooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmunism?

    Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left
    no sense of decency?
    --scott

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  • From WolfFan@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 14, 2026 08:45:09
    On Oct 13, 2026, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <11alrrp$q26$2@reader2.panix.com>):

    In article<0001HW.307E8574014668CD70000793C38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Patrick wrote
    (in article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>):

    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

    Look at who did get nominated.All six were women of the nominees for Best Short Story Hugo for 2025. Five of six nominees for Best Novelette were women. Five of six for Best Novella. Four of six for Best Novel. Four of six
    for Best Series. The 2024 and 2023 Hugos were about the same; indeed, several
    nominees were on all three lists. For some reason just three guys were up more than once.

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.

    Is it coooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmunism?

    Nope.


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  • From WolfFan@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 14, 2026 08:45:44
    On Oct 13, 2026, BCFD 36 wrote
    (in article <11amc2j$vl4s$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 10/13/26 08:27, WolfFan wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Patrick wrote
    (in article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>):

    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

    Look at who did get nominated.All six were women of the nominees for Best Short Story Hugo for 2025. Five of six nominees for Best Novelette were women. Five of six for Best Novella. Four of six for Best Novel. Four of six
    for Best Series. The 2024 and 2023 Hugos were about the same; indeed, several
    nominees were on all three lists. For some reason just three guys were up more than once.

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.
    Would you like to share with us what conclusions you have drawn?

    Guys are locked out of the Hugos.


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  • From WolfFan@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 14, 2026 08:47:49
    On Oct 13, 2026, Scott Lurndal wrote
    (in article <wFuzS.464505$U_e2.355549@fx24.iad>):

    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
    In article<0001HW.307E8574014668CD70000793C38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Patrick wrote
    (in article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>):

    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

    Look at who did get nominated.All six were women of the nominees for Best Short Story Hugo for 2025. Five of six nominees for Best Novelette were women. Five of six for Best Novella. Four of six for Best Novel. Four of six
    for Best Series. The 2024 and 2023 Hugos were about the same; indeed, several
    nominees were on all three lists. For some reason just three guys were up more than once.

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.

    Is it coooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmunism?

    Or maybe their stories were just better than the rest in 2025.

    And 2024. And 2023, And pretty much every year for the last decade; I
    haven?t bothered to go back further than that.


    I picked up a copy of The Year's Best Science Fiction #8 (1990)

    Not bad, until I got to:

    The Coon Rolled Down and Ruptured His Larinks, a Squeezed Novel by Mr. Skunk

    (Author: Dafydd ab Hugh)

    Which was almost unreadable, and seemed to be a rather pointless
    series of bad puns (Santa's Anus winds). Not sure how this made
    the cut.



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  • From James Nicoll@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 14, 2026 14:14:26
    In article <0001HW.307FB175018CB84A7000086DF38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Scott Lurndal wrote
    (in article <wFuzS.464505$U_e2.355549@fx24.iad>):

    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
    In article<0001HW.307E8574014668CD70000793C38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Patrick wrote
    (in article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>):

    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula >> > > > or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

    Look at who did get nominated.All six were women of the nominees for Best
    Short Story Hugo for 2025. Five of six nominees for Best Novelette were >> > > women. Five of six for Best Novella. Four of six for Best Novel. Four of >> > > six
    for Best Series. The 2024 and 2023 Hugos were about the same; indeed,
    several
    nominees were on all three lists. For some reason just three guys were up
    more than once.

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.

    Is it coooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmunism?

    Or maybe their stories were just better than the rest in 2025.

    And 2024. And 2023, And pretty much every year for the last decade; I >haven?t bothered to go back further than that.

    As it happens, I have gone back farther than that. But I didn't revisit the project since 2019.

    https://reactormag.com/gender-and-the-hugo-awards-by-the-numbers//

    Warning: that essay has what turned out to be the most confusing chart
    I've ever created. The x marks indicate absences.

    The pattern would be much clearer if I updated it but you can blame
    the Sadly Rabid Puppies for the current voter demographics. The SRP's
    efforts convinced a small number of right wing loonies to foist sub-
    par crap onto the ballot in the mid-2010s. However, this turned out
    to be even more effective at motivating non-RWLs to get WorldCon
    memberships and vote said crap down below no award. The SRP got
    bored and wandered off. The other group stuck around. Therefore,
    the second group's tastes shape the Hugos.







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  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 14, 2026 10:46:12
    In article <11ao2o2$8bk$1@reader2.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    In article <0001HW.307FB175018CB84A7000086DF38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Scott Lurndal wrote
    (in article <wFuzS.464505$U_e2.355549@fx24.iad>):

    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
    In article<0001HW.307E8574014668CD70000793C38F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Oct 13, 2026, Patrick wrote
    (in article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>):

    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo,
    Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?
    Patrick Creusot

    Look at who did get nominated.All six were women of the nominees for >> > > Best
    Short Story Hugo for 2025. Five of six nominees for Best Novelette
    were
    women. Five of six for Best Novella. Four of six for Best Novel. Four >> > > of
    six
    for Best Series. The 2024 and 2023 Hugos were about the same; indeed, >> > > several
    nominees were on all three lists. For some reason just three guys were
    up
    more than once.

    Draw your own conclusions. I certainly have.

    Is it coooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmunism?

    Or maybe their stories were just better than the rest in 2025.

    And 2024. And 2023, And pretty much every year for the last decade; I >haven?t bothered to go back further than that.

    As it happens, I have gone back farther than that. But I didn't revisit the project since 2019.

    https://reactormag.com/gender-and-the-hugo-awards-by-the-numbers//

    Warning: that essay has what turned out to be the most confusing chart
    I've ever created. The x marks indicate absences.

    The pattern would be much clearer if I updated it but you can blame
    the Sadly Rabid Puppies for the current voter demographics. The SRP's
    efforts convinced a small number of right wing loonies to foist sub-
    par crap onto the ballot in the mid-2010s. However, this turned out
    to be even more effective at motivating non-RWLs to get WorldCon
    memberships and vote said crap down below no award. The SRP got
    bored and wandered off. The other group stuck around. Therefore,
    the second group's tastes shape the Hugos.

    Perhaps, you are right. However, I have done a survey of the Hugo
    ballots (written fiction only, but not series) for 2001 on and found
    that the vast majority of the novel and novella nominees were on Locus's recommended list that year. This was true for lesser majorities of the novelette and short story nominees (though just over 50% for the short stories). I skipped the Puppy years, but the decade since has seen only
    a slight increase in the percentages. I have not checked the Locus lists
    for changes to male/female ratios over the years.

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  • From Patrick@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, October 15, 2026 09:11:47
    I can understand that but it raises another obvious question : why
    didn't Rich Larsonreceive enough nomination and votes to win those awards ?
    I looked at Gardner Dozois' final Year's Best anthologies .
    - 32nd edition (2015) : one story (God Decay)
    - 33rd edition (2017) : two stories (Meshed, Ice)
    - 34th edition (2018) : two stories (Innumerable Glimmering Lights,
    Jonas and the Fox)
    - 35th edition (2019) : two stories (There Used to Be Olive Trees, An
    Evening with Severyn Grimes, )
    Unfortunately, as we all know, there was no further edition, but I
    strongly believe that, if Gardner Dozois were still alive, the list
    above would be much longer.
    Patrick Creusot



    Le 13/10/2026 … 14:31, James Nicoll a ‚critÿ:
    In article <6acddd98$0$7120$426a74cc@news.free.fr>,
    Patrick <patrick.creusot@gmail.com> wrote:
    I cannot understand why Rich Larson, one of the very best science
    fiction short fiction writers today, has never received a Hugo, Nebula
    or Locus Award. Does anyone have an explanation?

    Because he has yet to receive enough nominations and votes to win
    those awards.



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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, October 15, 2026 11:11:45
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    The pattern would be much clearer if I updated it but you can blame
    the Sadly Rabid Puppies for the current voter demographics. The SRP's
    efforts convinced a small number of right wing loonies to foist sub-
    par crap onto the ballot in the mid-2010s. However, this turned out
    to be even more effective at motivating non-RWLs to get WorldCon
    memberships and vote said crap down below no award. The SRP got
    bored and wandered off. The other group stuck around. Therefore,
    the second group's tastes shape the Hugos.

    There is some of this, but I object to your lumping the sad puppies and
    the rabid puppies into the same group. The sad puppies were honest SF
    fans who didn't agree with what was getting nominated and tried a legitimate group effort to change it. I don't necessarily agree with their aims but
    they were trying to do something they thought was good.

    The rabid puppies were just crazy people who like destroying things, and
    they very quickly outnumbered the sad puppies. They tried very hard to
    destroy things and when they failed to do so most of them (aside from
    Mr. del Arroz) went off to find other things to destroy.

    I think if it had not been for the rabid puppies, the sad puppies might
    have legitimately got some older-style and more socially conservative
    stuff on the slate, and that might not be a bad thing. But they all left
    in disgust after everything went pear-shaped.

    So yes, that has definitely shaped the Hugo voting membership. If you don't like it (and I am not sure I do), then get a membership and vote for
    works that you like.
    --scott

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  • From Robert Woodward@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, October 15, 2026 10:24:57
    In article <11aqqfh$qb9$1@panix2.panix.com>,
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    The pattern would be much clearer if I updated it but you can blame
    the Sadly Rabid Puppies for the current voter demographics. The SRP's >efforts convinced a small number of right wing loonies to foist sub-
    par crap onto the ballot in the mid-2010s. However, this turned out
    to be even more effective at motivating non-RWLs to get WorldCon >memberships and vote said crap down below no award. The SRP got
    bored and wandered off. The other group stuck around. Therefore,
    the second group's tastes shape the Hugos.

    There is some of this, but I object to your lumping the sad puppies and
    the rabid puppies into the same group. The sad puppies were honest SF
    fans who didn't agree with what was getting nominated and tried a legitimate group effort to change it. I don't necessarily agree with their aims but they were trying to do something they thought was good.

    The rabid puppies were just crazy people who like destroying things, and
    they very quickly outnumbered the sad puppies. They tried very hard to destroy things and when they failed to do so most of them (aside from
    Mr. del Arroz) went off to find other things to destroy.


    I am not certain if there were more rabid puppies than sad puppies. I
    looked at the 2015 Hugo nominations and it is possible that the Sad
    Puppies only nominated items they had either read or seen.

    I think if it had not been for the rabid puppies, the sad puppies might
    have legitimately got some older-style and more socially conservative
    stuff on the slate, and that might not be a bad thing. But they all left
    in disgust after everything went pear-shaped.


    It is my belief that the diseased one contaminated the 2015 Sad Puppy
    list. At the time, I stated that I could come up with a better novel
    list just from books published by Baen that I had read.

    So yes, that has definitely shaped the Hugo voting membership. If you don't like it (and I am not sure I do), then get a membership and vote for
    works that you like.
    --scott

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Monday, October 19, 2026 18:06:35
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    The rabid puppies were just crazy people who like destroying things, and
    they very quickly outnumbered the sad puppies. They tried very hard to
    destroy things and when they failed to do so most of them (aside from
    Mr. del Arroz) went off to find other things to destroy.

    I am not certain if there were more rabid puppies than sad puppies. I
    looked at the 2015 Hugo nominations and it is possible that the Sad
    Puppies only nominated items they had either read or seen.

    Agreed. There actually weren't very many sad puppies, which is why they
    went on 4chan to try and drum up support and get people to help them move
    the vote. That trick, unfortunately, never works, even when you win.

    Watching the chat channel during the 2015 and 2016 Hugo streams was very eye-opening. It showed a lot of what was going on under the scenes of
    the sad puppy movement.

    It is my belief that the diseased one contaminated the 2015 Sad Puppy
    list. At the time, I stated that I could come up with a better novel
    list just from books published by Baen that I had read.

    Indeed.
    --scott
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