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    From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 07, 2026 00:02:44
    Subject: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/06/ghostwriters-for-the-courts-the-climate-litigation-network-behind-a-withdrawn-judicial-manual/

    "Late last year the federal judiciary quietly released a document that
    almost nobody outside legal circles normally notices: the fourth edition
    of the Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence. Within weeks one section
    of that manual vanished."

    "The fourth edition, released on December 31, 2025, contained a new
    element: a chapter devoted entirely to climate science. That chapter ran roughly ninety pages and attempted to explain the fundamentals of
    climate research and the emerging field of climate attribution."

    "Within weeks it became the center of a political and legal storm."

    "In January 2026 a coalition of 23 state attorneys general sent a letter
    to the judiciary raising concerns that the chapter presented contested scientific issues as settled fact. Members of Congress soon followed
    with similar objections."

    "Courts across the United States are currently handling dozens of
    lawsuits filed by states and municipalities seeking to hold fossil-fuel companies financially responsible for alleged climate damages. Those
    cases rely heavily on scientific claims about causation?claims the
    manual was now summarizing for judges."

    "In other words, the manual was explaining the very science at the
    center of ongoing litigation."

    "Bloomberg Law reported that critics believed the chapter risked
    ?predisposing federal judges in favor of plaintiffs alleging injuries
    from fossil fuel production.?"

    Can you imagine one third of our electric bills going to various lawyers across the USA, just like the cigarette settlements 30 years ago ?

    Lynn


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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 07, 2026 07:55:36
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 00:02:44 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a >Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/06/ghostwriters-for-the-courts-the-c limate-litigation-network-behind-a-withdrawn-judicial-manual/

    "Late last year the federal judiciary quietly released a document that >almost nobody outside legal circles normally notices: the fourth edition

    of the Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence. Within weeks one section

    of that manual vanished."

    "The fourth edition, released on December 31, 2025, contained a new
    element: a chapter devoted entirely to climate science. That chapter ran

    roughly ninety pages and attempted to explain the fundamentals of
    climate research and the emerging field of climate attribution."

    "Within weeks it became the center of a political and legal storm."

    "In January 2026 a coalition of 23 state attorneys general sent a letter

    to the judiciary raising concerns that the chapter presented contested >scientific issues as settled fact. Members of Congress soon followed
    with similar objections."

    "Courts across the United States are currently handling dozens of
    lawsuits filed by states and municipalities seeking to hold fossil-fuel >companies financially responsible for alleged climate damages. Those
    cases rely heavily on scientific claims about causation?claims the
    manual was now summarizing for judges."

    "In other words, the manual was explaining the very science at the
    center of ongoing litigation."

    "Bloomberg Law reported that critics believed the chapter risked >?predisposing federal judges in favor of plaintiffs alleging injuries
    from fossil fuel production.?"

    Can you imagine one third of our electric bills going to various lawyers

    across the USA, just like the cigarette settlements 30 years ago ?

    1/3 of our electric bills aren't going anywhere.

    Even if the lawyers are working on commission, they will only get 1/3
    if they win; the states and municipalities will get the other 2/3.

    Whether that 2/3 reduces our electric bills or is used for some other
    purpose remains to be seen.

    And I wasn't aware that our electric bills paid 1/3 of the cost of the
    tobacco settlements.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 07, 2026 13:10:48
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On 3/7/2026 9:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 00:02:44 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a
    Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/06/ghostwriters-for-the-courts-the-climate-litigation-network-behind-a-withdrawn-judicial-manual/

    "Late last year the federal judiciary quietly released a document that
    almost nobody outside legal circles normally notices: the fourth edition
    of the Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence. Within weeks one section
    of that manual vanished."

    "The fourth edition, released on December 31, 2025, contained a new
    element: a chapter devoted entirely to climate science. That chapter ran
    roughly ninety pages and attempted to explain the fundamentals of
    climate research and the emerging field of climate attribution."

    "Within weeks it became the center of a political and legal storm."

    "In January 2026 a coalition of 23 state attorneys general sent a letter
    to the judiciary raising concerns that the chapter presented contested
    scientific issues as settled fact. Members of Congress soon followed
    with similar objections."

    "Courts across the United States are currently handling dozens of
    lawsuits filed by states and municipalities seeking to hold fossil-fuel
    companies financially responsible for alleged climate damages. Those
    cases rely heavily on scientific claims about causation?claims the
    manual was now summarizing for judges."

    "In other words, the manual was explaining the very science at the
    center of ongoing litigation."

    "Bloomberg Law reported that critics believed the chapter risked
    ?predisposing federal judges in favor of plaintiffs alleging injuries
    from fossil fuel production.?"

    Can you imagine one third of our electric bills going to various lawyers
    across the USA, just like the cigarette settlements 30 years ago ?

    1/3 of our electric bills aren't going anywhere.

    Even if the lawyers are working on commission, they will only get 1/3
    if they win; the states and municipalities will get the other 2/3.

    Whether that 2/3 reduces our electric bills or is used for some other
    purpose remains to be seen.

    And I wasn't aware that our electric bills paid 1/3 of the cost of the tobacco settlements.

    Nope, one third of the revenue of tobacco sales in the USA go to the
    lawyers.

    Lynn


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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 08, 2026 09:36:29
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 13:10:48 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 3/7/2026 9:55 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Mar 2026 00:02:44 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a
    Withdrawn Judicial Manual"


    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2026/03/06/ghostwriters-for-the-courts-the-cl imate-litigation-network-behind-a-withdrawn-judicial-manual/

    "Late last year the federal judiciary quietly released a document
    that
    almost nobody outside legal circles normally notices: the fourth
    edition
    of the Reference Manual on Scientific Evidence. Within weeks one
    section
    of that manual vanished."

    "The fourth edition, released on December 31, 2025, contained a new
    element: a chapter devoted entirely to climate science. That chapter
    ran
    roughly ninety pages and attempted to explain the fundamentals of
    climate research and the emerging field of climate attribution."

    "Within weeks it became the center of a political and legal storm."

    "In January 2026 a coalition of 23 state attorneys general sent a
    letter
    to the judiciary raising concerns that the chapter presented
    contested
    scientific issues as settled fact. Members of Congress soon followed
    with similar objections."

    "Courts across the United States are currently handling dozens of
    lawsuits filed by states and municipalities seeking to hold
    fossil-fuel
    companies financially responsible for alleged climate damages. Those
    cases rely heavily on scientific claims about causation?claims the
    manual was now summarizing for judges."

    "In other words, the manual was explaining the very science at the
    center of ongoing litigation."

    "Bloomberg Law reported that critics believed the chapter risked
    ?predisposing federal judges in favor of plaintiffs alleging
    injuries
    from fossil fuel production.?"

    Can you imagine one third of our electric bills going to various
    lawyers
    across the USA, just like the cigarette settlements 30 years ago ?

    1/3 of our electric bills aren't going anywhere.

    Even if the lawyers are working on commission, they will only get 1/3
    if they win; the states and municipalities will get the other 2/3.

    Whether that 2/3 reduces our electric bills or is used for some other
    purpose remains to be seen.

    And I wasn't aware that our electric bills paid 1/3 of the cost of the
    tobacco settlements.

    Nope, one third of the revenue of tobacco sales in the USA go to the >lawyers.

    Well, that's what happens when you deliberately lie to people and get
    caught.

    And the lawyer's cut is as American as apple pie.

    But, rereading your post in the light of your response, I suspect you
    are saying that, if they win, the settlement will increase fuel
    prices, which will (in some areas, not here) increase electric bills,
    so that /some/ amount of electric bills (the increase caused by the
    settlement) will go to the lawyers.

    But it still won't be 1/3 of the bill. It might tend to that as the
    increase approaches infinity, I suppose. That is,
    limit( % of bill going to lawyers ) is 1/3 when the portion of
    the bill from the settlement goes to infinity

    At the moment, of course, we are (I have read) dealing with increases
    having nothing whatsoever to do with these lawsuits. Guess who's
    responsible for /that/?

    Hint: not the late Ayotallah, or anyone in Iran.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From quadi@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 04:42:56
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On Sun, 08 Mar 2026 09:36:29 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

    At the moment, of course, we are (I have read) dealing with increases
    having nothing whatsoever to do with these lawsuits. Guess who's
    responsible for /that/?

    Hint: not the late Ayotallah, or anyone in Iran.

    With all due respect, it is people in Iran who decided to shoot at
    peaceful merchant ships in international waters, specifically the Strait
    of Hormuz.
    Of course, it is true that this is a response that could reasonably have
    been anticipated.
    And at the moment, the people of Iran are still ruled over by the regime
    of the Ayatollahs, and not a joint U.S.-Israeli occupation force. Until
    there is some prospect of that changing, all this war will have done is
    make them mad. (Yes, in the very short term, it's also degraded some of
    their capabilities. That is, however, not enough.)

    John Savard

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 09:03:45
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 04:42:56 -0000 (UTC), quadi <quadibloc@ca.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 08 Mar 2026 09:36:29 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

    At the moment, of course, we are (I have read) dealing with increases
    having nothing whatsoever to do with these lawsuits. Guess who's
    responsible for /that/?

    Hint: not the late Ayotallah, or anyone in Iran.

    With all due respect, it is people in Iran who decided to shoot at
    peaceful merchant ships in international waters, specifically the Strait

    of Hormuz.
    Of course, it is true that this is a response that could reasonably have

    been anticipated.
    And at the moment, the people of Iran are still ruled over by the regime

    of the Ayatollahs, and not a joint U.S.-Israeli occupation force. Until >there is some prospect of that changing, all this war will have done is
    make them mad. (Yes, in the very short term, it's also degraded some of >their capabilities. That is, however, not enough.)

    You are writing as if the time line were:
    1. Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz.
    2. USA/Israel attack Iran.

    In point of fact, the time line is:
    1. Israel/USA attack Iran for no good reason.
    2. Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz.

    When you /start a war/, you become responsible for /everything that
    happens/. So Israel/USA are responsible for the Iranian response.

    BTW, they /should/ be ruled over by the Ayatollahs. They voted for
    this way back when. They wanted it, they got it, and they will fight
    for it, for it is their chosen way.

    None of which makes Iran's chosen way admirable or acceptable to
    civilized people. People in, say, Canada. People in some States. But
    not people in the USA on the National level.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 12:25:59
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    You are writing as if the time line were:
    1. Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz.
    2. USA/Israel attack Iran.

    In point of fact, the time line is:
    1. Israel/USA attack Iran for no good reason.
    2. Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz.

    Note that Israel and the USA attacked Iran a few weeks after the Iranian government killed 3,000 dissidents. After the initial attack, the American president invited the Iranian people to take over their government, which
    might have been a reasonable invitation a month earlier. Bad timing. If you're going to invade to support a dissident population, you need to do it before rather than after they get killed off.

    I'm certainly in favor of regime change in places like Iran and Venezuela
    but you can't just drop bombs and kill leaders and expect everything to suddenly change by magic.

    I think this is part of Trump's belief in individual leaders rather than organizations. He doesn't get the notion that countries don't have friends, they only have allies. This sort of thing would have been reasonable for diplomats before WWI, but the world has changed since the Hapsburgs and Hohenzollerns were in charge.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 16:49:45
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    quadi wrote:
    On Sun, 08 Mar 2026 09:36:29 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

    At the moment, of course, we are (I have read) dealing with increases
    having nothing whatsoever to do with these lawsuits. Guess who's
    responsible for /that/?

    Hint: not the late Ayotallah, or anyone in Iran.

    With all due respect, it is people in Iran who decided to shoot at
    peaceful merchant ships in international waters, specifically the Strait
    of Hormuz.
    Of course, it is true that this is a response that could reasonably have
    been anticipated.


    It was an absolute certainty that Iran would attempt to strangle oil and
    gas from the gulf. Only the most incompetent of administrations could
    be surprised by this.

    We can be sure that the administration did not know that the gulf
    nations also export a large fraction of the world's principal
    ingredients for fertilizer, which will cause US farmers more distress as fertilizer exports from Canada have been threatened with tariffs (they
    are exempt under CUMSA, but that doesn't matter to Trump, and CUMSA may
    be gone soon anyway). With the southern trade uncertain, Canadian
    exporters will be only too happy to divert supply to the more lucrative
    world market.

    We can be also quite sure that nobody in the administration knew that a
    large fraction of the world's exported aluminum also flows from the
    gulf. And with a 50% tariff on the import of Canadian aluminum, the US
    is facing steep price increased there, also.

    I am somewhat surprised that a wave of terrorist attacks has not begun.
    Either western security services are doing a very good job indeed, or
    Iran has decided that such actions are a net negative. In either case
    it's good news.

    And at the moment, the people of Iran are still ruled over by the regime
    of the Ayatollahs, and not a joint U.S.-Israeli occupation force. Until
    there is some prospect of that changing, all this war will have done is
    make them mad. (Yes, in the very short term, it's also degraded some of
    their capabilities. That is, however, not enough.)

    The Epstein war has no such objectives.

    William Hyde


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  • From Titus G@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 05:36:57
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On 16/03/2026 05:25, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    You are writing as if the time line were:
    1. Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz.
    2. USA/Israel attack Iran.

    In point of fact, the time line is:
    1. Israel/USA attack Iran for no good reason.
    2. Iran closes the Straits of Hormuz.

    Note that Israel and the USA attacked Iran a few weeks after the Iranian government killed 3,000 dissidents. After the initial attack, the American president invited the Iranian people to take over their government, which might have been a reasonable invitation a month earlier. Bad timing. If you're going to invade to support a dissident population, you need to do it before rather than after they get killed off.

    Too late for Palestinians then?

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  • From quadi@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 05:50:51
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:03:45 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

    When you /start a war/, you become responsible for /everything that
    happens/. So Israel/USA are responsible for the Iranian response.

    In that case, I guess Israel is off the hook for all those dead civilians
    in the Gaza Strip, because of what Hamas did on October 7th of last year.

    In other words, in my nit-picking insistence on consistency, I claim that
    it doesn't work that way.

    It is true the closure of the Straits of Hormuz was... something that
    could easily be anticipated. So I'm not saying that Trump isn't to blame
    to a certain, even large, extent - but the Iran regime may legitimately
    and fairly also be held accountable for its decision to violate
    international law as well.

    John Savard

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  • From quadi@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 05:53:42
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:03:45 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

    None of which makes Iran's chosen way admirable or acceptable to
    civilized people. People in, say, Canada. People in some States. But not people in the USA on the National level.

    Just as, despite the fact that Trump got elected President, there are some civilized people in the United States... there are some civilized people
    in Iran. Since I care about civilized people more than uncivilized ones,
    I'm OK with regime change. Just bombing the place and hoping some good
    will come of it, though, isn't what I root for.

    John Savard

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 00:43:45
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"



    On 3/15/26 22:50, quadi wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:03:45 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

    When you /start a war/, you become responsible for /everything that
    happens/. So Israel/USA are responsible for the Iranian response.

    In that case, I guess Israel is off the hook for all those dead civilians
    in the Gaza Strip, because of what Hamas did on October 7th of last year.

    In other words, in my nit-picking insistence on consistency, I claim that
    it doesn't work that way.

    It is true the closure of the Straits of Hormuz was... something that
    could easily be anticipated. So I'm not saying that Trump isn't to blame
    to a certain, even large, extent - but the Iran regime may legitimately
    and fairly also be held accountable for its decision to violate
    international law as well.

    John Savard

    The USA has been at war with the Iranian people when they overthrew via the CIA the popular and nationalistic prime minister Mohammed Mosadegh and restored the Shah. <https://asiasociety.org/education/iran-20th-century>

    And it was then all about the oil! Why did the first Islamic Revolution
    happen there? Because of the oil, what a curse...

    bliss

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  • From Paul S Person@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 08:46:58
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On Mon, 16 Mar 2026 00:43:45 -0700, Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote:

    On 3/15/26 22:50, quadi wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:03:45 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

    When you /start a war/, you become responsible for /everything that
    happens/. So Israel/USA are responsible for the Iranian response.

    In that case, I guess Israel is off the hook for all those dead
    civilians
    in the Gaza Strip, because of what Hamas did on October 7th of last
    year.

    In other words, in my nit-picking insistence on consistency, I claim
    that
    it doesn't work that way.

    It is true the closure of the Straits of Hormuz was... something that
    could easily be anticipated. So I'm not saying that Trump isn't to
    blame
    to a certain, even large, extent - but the Iran regime may
    legitimately
    and fairly also be held accountable for its decision to violate
    international law as well.

    The USA has been at war with the Iranian people when they overthrew via
    the CIA the popular and nationalistic prime minister Mohammed Mosadegh
    and
    restored the Shah.
    <https://asiasociety.org/education/iran-20th-century>

    And it was then all about the oil! Why did the first Islamic
    Revolution
    happen there? Because of the oil, what a curse...

    Of course it was "all about the oil".

    It is always "all about the oil" whether it actually /is/ about the
    oil or not.

    This is the sign of fanaticism: the same cause produces all effects.
    Works for oil, works for gun control, works for MAGA.

    The only problem is: if you investigate the Logic construct
    "implication", you will find that the /only/ statement that implies
    all others is a false statement.

    So your statement is false, when taken as always true in the Middle
    East.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Lynn McGuire@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 16, 2026 14:50:58
    Subject: Re: "Ghostwriters for the Courts: The Climate Litigation Network Behind a Withdrawn Judicial Manual"

    On 3/16/2026 2:43 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:


    On 3/15/26 22:50, quadi wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Mar 2026 09:03:45 -0700, Paul S Person wrote:

    When you /start a war/, you become responsible for /everything that
    happens/. So Israel/USA are responsible for the Iranian response.

    In that case, I guess Israel is off the hook for all those dead civilians
    in the Gaza Strip, because of what Hamas did on October 7th of last year.

    In other words, in my nit-picking insistence on consistency, I claim that
    it doesn't work that way.

    It is true the closure of the Straits of Hormuz was... something that
    could easily be anticipated. So I'm not saying that Trump isn't to blame
    to a certain, even large, extent - but the Iran regime may legitimately
    and fairly also be held accountable for its decision to violate
    international law as well.

    John Savard

    ˙˙˙˙The USA has been at war with the Iranian people when they overthrew
    via
    the CIA the popular and nationalistic prime minister Mohammed Mosadegh and restored the Shah.˙ <https://asiasociety.org/education/iran-20th-century>

    ˙˙˙˙And it was then all about the oil!˙ Why did the first Islamic Revolution
    happen there?˙ Because of the oil, what a curse...

    ˙˙˙˙bliss

    All wars are about resources.

    Lynn


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