• SF: Book recommendations

    From Steve Hayes@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, January 29, 2026 04:51:19
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 08:33:50 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On a darker note, Greg Egan once wrote a story where a company found a
    way to encode the entire Koran in your junk DNA. Once enough people had
    taken that option, it turmed out to be the means to propagate a deadly >epidemic.

    I should track down his more recent books. He is, in my opinion, the
    most original SF writer of our time.

    Any titles you particularly recommend?


    --
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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 28, 2026 22:16:52
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 08:33:50 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On a darker note, Greg Egan once wrote a story where a company found a
    way to encode the entire Koran in your junk DNA. Once enough people had
    taken that option, it turmed out to be the means to propagate a deadly >epidemic.

    "You can't inject Jesus with a hypodermic syringe! You have to put Jesus
    into your heart with the bible!"
    -- Robert Tilton
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Peter Moylan@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, January 29, 2026 15:11:32
    On 29/01/26 13:51, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 08:33:50 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On a darker note, Greg Egan once wrote a story where a company
    found a way to encode the entire Koran in your junk DNA. Once
    enough people had taken that option, it turmed out to be the means
    to propagate a deadly epidemic.

    I should track down his more recent books. He is, in my opinion,
    the most original SF writer of our time.

    Any titles you particularly recommend?

    Two short story collections: Axiomatic and Luninous. If you like what
    you see, move on to the novel Luminous. Those, in any case, were the
    books I particularly liked.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From Peter Moylan@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, January 29, 2026 15:50:54
    On 29/01/26 15:11, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 29/01/26 13:51, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 08:33:50 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On a darker note, Greg Egan once wrote a story where a company
    found a way to encode the entire Koran in your junk DNA. Once
    enough people had taken that option, it turmed out to be the means
    to propagate a deadly epidemic.

    I should track down his more recent books. He is, in my opinion,
    the most original SF writer of our time.

    Any titles you particularly recommend?

    Two short story collections: Axiomatic and Luninous. If you like what
    you see, move on to the novel Luminous. Those, in any case, were the
    books I particularly liked.

    Sorry, the novel I meant was Distress.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From Peter Moylan@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, January 29, 2026 16:08:45
    On 29/01/26 15:50, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 29/01/26 15:11, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 29/01/26 13:51, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 08:33:50 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On a darker note, Greg Egan once wrote a story where a company
    found a way to encode the entire Koran in your junk DNA. Once
    enough people had taken that option, it turmed out to be the means
    to propagate a deadly epidemic.

    I should track down his more recent books. He is, in my opinion,
    the most original SF writer of our time.

    Any titles you particularly recommend?

    Two short story collections: Axiomatic and Luninous. If you like what
    you see, move on to the novel Luminous. Those, in any case, were the
    books I particularly liked.

    Sorry, the novel I meant was Distress.

    PS For just about any SF author I can think of, I would recommend
    starting with short stories. Getting the author in bite-sized chunks is
    an excellent way of finding out whether you like his writing.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From lar3ryca@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, January 29, 2026 23:30:11
    On 2026-01-28 22:11, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 29/01/26 13:51, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 08:33:50 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On a darker note, Greg Egan once wrote a story where a company
    found a way to encode the entire Koran in your junk DNA. Once
    enough people had taken that option, it turmed out to be the means
    to propagate a deadly epidemic.

    I should track down his more recent books. He is, in my opinion,
    the most original SF writer of our time.

    Any titles you particularly recommend?

    Two short story collections: Axiomatic and Luninous. If you like what
    you see, move on to the novel Luminous. Those, in any case, were the
    books I particularly liked.

    I like Greg Egan. I hadn't read Axiomatic. Thanks for reminding me. I
    found it and so far it looks like I'll apprciate it. Thanks!

    --
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  • From Peter Moylan@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 11:19:18
    On 31/01/26 09:46, Pluted Pup wrote:
    On 1/28/26 6:51 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 08:33:50 +1100, Peter Moylan
    <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:

    On a darker note, Greg Egan once wrote a story where a company
    found a way to encode the entire Koran in your junk DNA. Once
    enough people had taken that option, it turmed out to be the
    means to propagate a deadly epidemic.

    I like Didactic Fiction, too. So what's the whole plotline, so we
    won't feel cheated by "plot twists" if we start to read it.

    That comment wasn't intended to be posted to an SF newsgroup, so I
    didn't take precautions against posting a spoiler. And the thread was
    already about religious symbols encoded in junk DNA.

    To find the context for my comment, you'll have to read the thread in alt.usage.english.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From Steve Hayes@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 05:20:47
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 15:11:32 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On 29/01/26 13:51, Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 08:33:50 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On a darker note, Greg Egan once wrote a story where a company
    found a way to encode the entire Koran in your junk DNA. Once
    enough people had taken that option, it turmed out to be the means
    to propagate a deadly epidemic.

    I should track down his more recent books. He is, in my opinion,
    the most original SF writer of our time.

    Any titles you particularly recommend?

    Two short story collections: Axiomatic and Luninous. If you like what
    you see, move on to the novel Luminous. Those, in any case, were the
    books I particularly liked.

    Thanks vey much, I'll add those to my books to look for list.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Steve Hayes@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 05:32:45
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 16:08:45 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    PS For just about any SF author I can think of, I would recommend
    starting with short stories. Getting the author in bite-sized chunks is
    an excellent way of finding out whether you like his writing.

    Agreed.

    There are very few full-length SF novels I've really liked. Out of
    curiocity I checked and found I'd read more than a thought I had -- I
    thought I'd mostly read short stories. But these are the ones I've
    given a 5-star rating to:

    Lewis, C.S. 1960. That hideous strength.
    Lewis, C.S. 1952. Out of the silent planet.
    Miller, Walter M. 1993 [1959] A canticle for Leibowitz.
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.
    Lewis, C.S. 1953. Voyage to Venus Perelandra.
    Huxley, Aldous. 1994 [1932] Brave new world.
    Orwell, George. 1984.
    James, P.D. 1992. The children of men.
    McCarthy, Cormac. 2009. The road.
    Willis, Connie. 1992. Doomsday Book.
    Wyndham, John. 1961. The Midwich Cuckoos.
    King, Stephen. 2011. 11.22.63.
    Stewart, George R. 1977. Earth abides.




    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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  • From Titus G@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 18:36:36
    On 31/01/26 16:32, Steve Hayes wrote:
    snip
    But these are the ones I've
    given a 5-star rating to:

    McCarthy, Cormac. 2009. The road.

    His worst novel. Dull. Depressing. Absolutely no connection to science,
    not even the possible carcinogenic effects from eating fried long pig.

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  • From Titus G@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 18:37:29
    On 31/01/26 16:32, Steve Hayes wrote:
    Much snippage

    these are the ones I've
    given a 5-star rating to:
    Miller, Walter M. 1993 [1959] A canticle for Leibowitz.

    Brilliant. Christianity, Judaism both overwhelmed by the true nature of man.

    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    Canticle 5 stars, Mills and Boon 1 star.

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  • From occam@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 09:42:01
    On 31/01/2026 06:37, Titus G wrote:

    A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    [A.U.E.] I like 'handwavium'. It should be up there with 'unobtainium', 'administratium', Lunarium and Kryptonite. Alas, it's missing from this
    Wiki list.

    More here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_elements,_materials,_isotopes_and_subatomic_particles>


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  • From occam@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 09:42:13
    On 31/01/2026 06:37, Titus G wrote:

    A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    [A.U.E.] I like 'handwavium'. It should be up there with 'unobtainium', 'administratium', Lunarium and Kryptonite. Alas, it's missing from this
    Wiki list.

    More here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_elements,_materials,_isotopes_and_subatomic_particles>


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  • From occam@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 09:42:18
    On 31/01/2026 06:37, Titus G wrote:

    A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    [A.U.E.] I like 'handwavium'. It should be up there with 'unobtainium', 'administratium', Lunarium and Kryptonite. Alas, it's missing from this
    Wiki list.

    More here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_elements,_materials,_isotopes_and_subatomic_particles>


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  • From J. J. Lodder@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 10:51:08
    occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

    On 31/01/2026 06:37, Titus G wrote:

    A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romancef
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    [A.U.E.] I like 'handwavium'. It should be up there with 'unobtainium', 'administratium', Lunarium and Kryptonite. Alas, it's missing from this
    Wiki list.

    More here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_elements,_materials,_isotopes
    _and_subatomic_particles>

    A plot device for the incompetent, obviously.
    (Asimov excepted, perhaps)

    Jan




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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 07:18:29
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.


    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love
    story, it's nice IMO.

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  • From Don@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 16:31:04
    The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love story, it's nice IMO.

    Agreed. Yet some rascally readers repress the romance as they try to
    twist the story into thirty-six year old Henry grooming six year old
    Clare.
    This perverted plot premise requires omission of how twenty year old
    year old Clare initially stalks twenty-eight year Henry at Newberry
    Library when the Catholic soulmates first meet.

    "Thou doth Protestant too much, methinks."

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  • From Scott Lurndal@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 18:37:09
    Don <g@crcomp.net> writes:
    The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love
    story, it's nice IMO.

    Agreed. Yet some rascally readers repress the romance as they try to
    twist the story into thirty-six year old Henry grooming six year old
    Clare.
    This perverted plot premise requires omission of how twenty year old
    year old Clare initially stalks twenty-eight year Henry at Newberry
    Library when the Catholic soulmates first meet.

    The same people complain about _Door into Summer_ and
    _The Tale of the Adopted Daughter_.


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  • From Ignatios Souvatzis@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 18:28:01
    ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.arts.sf.misc.]
    Don wrote:
    The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love
    story, it's nice IMO.

    Agreed. Yet some rascally readers repress the romance as they try to
    twist the story into thirty-six year old Henry grooming six year old
    Clare.
    This perverted plot premise requires omission of how twenty year old
    year old Clare initially stalks twenty-eight year Henry at Newberry
    Library when the Catholic soulmates first meet.

    Niffenegger's book is an overly complicated version of a story
    written - actually at the same time, so I think nobody can have
    been influenced by the other - by a Spanish literature professor
    who worked at that time at an Austrian university. Can't remember
    the name of author or book. In short, there are only two encounters
    with reverse individual timelines.

    -is

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  • From Ignatios Souvatzis@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 19:01:39
    ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.arts.sf.misc.]
    Don wrote:
    The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love
    story, it's nice IMO.

    Agreed. Yet some rascally readers repress the romance as they try to
    twist the story into thirty-six year old Henry grooming six year old
    Clare.
    This perverted plot premise requires omission of how twenty year old
    year old Clare initially stalks twenty-eight year Henry at Newberry
    Library when the Catholic soulmates first meet.

    Niffenegger's book is an overly complicated version of Elia Barcelo's
    "El secreto del orfebre" (The Secret of the Goldsmith. I don't know
    whethere there's a translation to English; there is one to German.)

    Barcelo lets her protagonists meet exactly hm... three times? But
    the first two times with reverse individual timelines, so that the
    one can't remember the other.

    I liked it better than Niffenegger's work.

    -is

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  • From William Hyde@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, January 31, 2026 15:26:07
    Steve Hayes wrote:
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 16:08:45 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    PS For just about any SF author I can think of, I would recommend
    starting with short stories. Getting the author in bite-sized chunks is
    an excellent way of finding out whether you like his writing.

    Agreed.

    There are very few full-length SF novels I've really liked. Out of
    curiocity I checked and found I'd read more than a thought I had -- I
    thought I'd mostly read short stories. But these are the ones I've
    given a 5-star rating to:

    Lewis, C.S. 1960. That hideous strength.
    Lewis, C.S. 1952. Out of the silent planet.
    Miller, Walter M. 1993 [1959] A canticle for Leibowitz.
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.
    Lewis, C.S. 1953. Voyage to Venus Perelandra.
    Huxley, Aldous. 1994 [1932] Brave new world.
    Orwell, George. 1984.
    James, P.D. 1992. The children of men.

    If you liked this try the original, "Greybeard" by Brian Aldiss.

    I like everything I've read by PDJ, but this perhaps the least.

    William Hyde

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  • From Titus G@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 17:03:59
    On 1/02/26 01:18, The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.


    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story.

    Yes. I agree. But I bought it thinking it was SF and was angry!

    Read as a love
    story, it's nice IMO.



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  • From Titus G@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 17:04:18
    On 1/02/26 05:31, Don wrote:
    The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love
    story, it's nice IMO.

    Agreed. Yet some rascally readers repress the romance as they try to
    twist the story into thirty-six year old Henry grooming six year old
    Clare.

    It is a long time since I read it but wasn't that aspect there?

    This perverted plot premise requires omission of how twenty year old
    year old Clare initially stalks twenty-eight year Henry at Newberry
    Library when the Catholic soulmates first meet.

    "Thou doth Protestant too much, methinks."

    My protest is principally with genre impersonation.

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  • From Peter Moylan@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 15:17:00
    On 01/02/26 15:04, Titus G wrote:

    My protest is principally with genre impersonation.

    Ah, yes. Like when the shelf in the bookshop says "Science Fiction" and
    all the books turn out to be fantasy. That's really annoying.

    --
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    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From The True Melissa@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 06:15:28
    Verily, in article <10lmj7i$3ecue$2@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:

    On 1/02/26 05:31, Don wrote:
    The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance >>> with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love
    story, it's nice IMO.

    Agreed. Yet some rascally readers repress the romance as they try to
    twist the story into thirty-six year old Henry grooming six year old Clare.

    It is a long time since I read it but wasn't that aspect there?

    It's also been a long time since I read it, but in my memory, he is
    careful to treat her like the child she is during that scene.


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  • From Don@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 14:14:04
    The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lmj7i$3ecue$2@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Don wrote:
    The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance >> >>> with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love >> >> story, it's nice IMO.

    Agreed. Yet some rascally readers repress the romance as they try to
    twist the story into thirty-six year old Henry grooming six year old
    Clare.

    It is a long time since I read it but wasn't that aspect there?

    It's also been a long time since I read it, but in my memory, he is
    careful to treat her like the child she is during that scene.

    Thirty-six year old Henry does groom six year old Claire to provide his immediate, non-romantic, basic needs whenever he happens to show up in
    the meadow bare bones. But bear in mind, Claire's a willing accomplice -
    as are most women in my life. They can not bear to see a creature go
    thirsty or hungry.

    "A traditional list of immediate 'basic needs' is food (including
    water), shelter and clothing. Many modern lists also include also
    transportation, sanitation, education, and healthcare. Different
    agencies use different lists."

    # # #

    When asked how his Catholic faith has shaped him, Alito said
    his faith provides him meaning and purpose.

    ?The title of a book by Tolstoy has been translated as What
    Then Should We Do? My faith gives me an answer. It would be
    terrible to think that life has no meaning, that we are going
    nowhere, and that what we do until we die is a matter of
    indifference. That is what tortures so many today.?

    <https://www.ewtnnews.com/world/us/justice-alito-warns-seminarians-religious-liberty-is-in-danger>

    WHAT THEN SHOULD WE DO? appears in Luke 3:10?14. Tolstoy's non-fictional
    work describes the Russian social conditions in 1886. It begins with a
    Moscow beggar being thrown into jail for begging.
    WHAT THEN SHOULD WE DO will be the next book heard (eg read) by me.

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  • From Steve Hayes@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 16:41:13
    On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 07:18:29 -0500, The True Melissa
    <thetruemelissa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.


    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love >story, it's nice IMO.

    It's more than a love story. It's based o fictional science, without
    which it wouldn't work. I enjoyed it too,



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  • From Don@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, February 01, 2026 16:48:41
    Steve Hayes wrote:
    The True Melissa wrote:
    Verily, in article <10lk4a9$2le82$3@dont-email.me>, did
    noone@nowhere.com deliver unto us this message:
    Niffenegger, Audrey. 2005. The time traveler's wife.

    Drek. A nonsensical attempt to outdo Nabokov's Lolita. Pathetic romance
    with handwavium time travel as a distraction.

    Huh, I enjoyed that one. It's not SF; it's a love story. Read as a love >>story, it's nice IMO.

    It's more than a love story. It's based o fictional science, without
    which it wouldn't work. I enjoyed it too,

    Great observation! Here's a pertinent excerpt:

    As I enter Dr. Kendrick's office, he is making notes in a file.
    I sit down and he continues to write. He is younger than I
    thought he would be; late thirties. I always expect doctors to
    be old men. I can't help it, it's left over from my childhood
    of endless medical men. Kendrick is red-haired, thin-faced,
    bearded, with thick wire-rimmed glasses. He looks a little bit
    like D. H. Lawrence. He's wearing a nice charcoal-gray suit and
    a narrow dark green tie with a rainbow trout tie clip. An
    ashtray overflows at his elbow; the room is suffused with
    cigarette smoke, although he isn't smoking right now.
    Everything is very modern: tubular steel, beige twill, blond
    wood. He looks up at me and smiles.
    "Good morning, Mr. DeTamble. What can I do for you?"
    He is looking at his calendar. "I don't seem to have any
    information about you, here? What seems to be the problem?"
    "Dasein."
    Kendrick is taken aback. " Dasein? Being? How so?"
    "I have a condition which I'm told will become known as
    Chrono-Impairment. I have difficulty staying in the present."
    "I'm sorry?"
    "I time travel. Involuntarily."
    Kendrick is flustered, but subdues it. I like him. He is
    attempting to deal with me in a manner befitting a sane person,
    although I'm sure he is considering which of his psychiatrist
    friends to refer me to.
    "But why do you need a geneticist? Or are you consulting
    me as a philosopher?"
    "It's a genetic disease. Although it will be pleasant to
    have someone to chat with about the larger implications of the
    problem."
    "Mr. DeTamble. You are obviously an intelligent man...I've
    never heard of this disease. I can't do anything for you."
    "You don't believe me."
    "Right. I don't."
    Now I am smiling, ruefully. I feel horrible about this,
    but it has to be done. "Well. I've been to quite a few doctors
    in my life, but this is the first time I've ever had anything
    to offer in the way of proof. Of course no one ever believes
    me. You and your wife are expecting a child next month?"
    He is wary. "Yes. How do you know?"
    "In a few years I look up your child's birth certificate.
    I travel to my wife's past, I write down the information in
    this envelope. She gives it to me when we meet in the present.
    I give it to you, now. Open it after your son is born."
    "We're having a daughter."
    "No, you're not, actually," I say gently. "But let's not
    quibble about it. Save that, open it after the child is born.
    Don't throw it out. After you read it, call me, if you want
    to." I get up to leave. "Good luck," I say, although I do
    not believe in luck, these days. I am deeply sorry for him,
    but there's no other way to do this.
    "Goodbye, Mr. DeTamble," Dr. Kendrick says coldly. I
    leave. As I get into the elevator I think to myself that he
    must be opening the envelope right now. Inside is a sheet of
    typing paper. It says:
    Colin Joseph Kendrick
    April 6, 1996 1:18 a.m.
    6 lbs. 8 oz Caucasian male
    Down Syndrome

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  • From Titus G@3:633/10 to All on Monday, February 02, 2026 17:03:26
    On 1/02/26 17:17, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 01/02/26 15:04, Titus G wrote:

    My protest is principally with genre impersonation.

    Ah, yes. Like when the shelf in the bookshop says "Science Fiction" and
    all the books turn out to be fantasy. That's really annoying.

    I imagine so. My preference is for the Kindle.
    There are those here who could give you a more accurate reply but those
    genres have been merging for decades. I accept pre-human alien artifacts
    having fantastic aspects but find acceptance of the supernatural annoying.
    With regard to the infiltration of Romance into Science Fiction, most
    Science Fiction writers of the '60s kept women in the kitchen. If The
    Time Traveller's Wife was marketed as Romance, it would be an early
    example of an infiltration of Fantasy masquerading as Science Fiction.
    And, of course, Fantasy has no place in the reality of Romance.
    I'll get my coat.

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  • From Steve Hayes@3:633/10 to All on Monday, February 02, 2026 07:13:06
    On Sun, 1 Feb 2026 15:17:00 +1100, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
    wrote:

    On 01/02/26 15:04, Titus G wrote:

    My protest is principally with genre impersonation.

    Ah, yes. Like when the shelf in the bookshop says "Science Fiction" and
    all the books turn out to be fantasy. That's really annoying.

    Authors are not necessarily constrained by the genres decreed by
    publishers and booksellers.

    Publishers & booksellers presumably feel constrained to choose a genre
    for marketing purposes, but what criteria do you use to determine
    whether any given work fits?

    Booksellers tend to shove most works dealing with a hypothetical
    dystopian future (or indeed any future scenario) with "science
    fiction". Hence "The Road" being shoved in with science fiction. I've
    even seen that classic of Dispensationalist theology, Hal Lindsay's
    "The Late Great Planet Earth", on the SF shelves of booksellers.

    Would you put Dostoevsky's "The Brothers Karamazov" in crime fiction?
    It's certainly a whodunit, but it's also a great deal more.

    Or take C.S. Lewis's so-called "Space Trilogy". The first book fits
    SF, in that it deals with an envisaged means of space travel. It has a
    mad scientist and an evil financier (probably modelled on Cecil
    Rhodes). The second one has no science at all -- space travel is by
    means of a coffin carried by angels. But it's shoved there because
    it's largely set on another planet. The third one deals with a
    dystopian future, and it has elements of science fiction, in the sense
    of the science of keeping a head alive without a body, but it's much
    more an exploration of the borders of science and superstition, and
    academic ambition and rivalry, with which Lewis was most familiar, but
    on the whole it is more fantasy than any of the other things. So where
    does a bookseller put it?

    What makes a "horror" story? Many books have one or more scenes that
    could be described as "horror", but they don't seem to warrant
    classifying the whole book as horror.


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    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
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