All I can say is, I hope the kids will be alright, and I think we'll
never know the exact sequence of events of this tragic day -- I don't
trust the police to give an accurate accounting, it'll be CYA as
everything seems to be nowadays.
On 2025-09-08 03:32:32 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
All I can say is, I hope the kids will be alright, and I think we'll
never know the exact sequence of events of this tragic day -- I don't
trust the police to give an accurate accounting, it'll be CYA as
everything seems to be nowadays.
The kids will have been brainwashed by their looney father over the
last four years into distrusting everyone. Now their father has been
"killed" by police, so they'll distrust authorities even more. It's
going to be a long long road, and probably lots of future entangements
with the law, until these kids are ever "normal" again, if they ever
will be. It can only be hoped that the rest of their family is sane
enough to help them get there. :-(
The woke Family Court is to blame for a lot of this by giving
custody of the kid to a meth addicted mother. No wonder he took off
with them
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
The woke Family Court is to blame for a lot of this by giving
custody of the kid to a meth addicted mother. No wonder he took off
with them
Or, more exactly, Tom had custody of his children (because the mom was
a meth-head) and took them on a 2-week bush camp. Good fathering,
right? But the mother raised the alarm, when no alarm was needed, and
nobody knew where their campsite was, so the police searched without
finding them. When Tom & kids returned, Tom got charged for wasting
police time & resources, even though he had done nothing wrong at all. Subsequently, he got summoned to a family court hearing in view of the
police charges -- even though those charges were completely
unwarranted.
He saw what was coming -- he was going to lose custody of his kids
based on an entirely fraudulent trumped-up charge. Thus the flight.
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
The woke Family Court is to blame for a lot of this by giving
custody of the kid to a meth addicted mother. No wonder he took off
with them
Or, more exactly, Tom had custody of his children (because the mom was
a meth-head) and took them on a 2-week bush camp. Good fathering,
right?
But the mother raised the alarm, when no alarm was needed, and
nobody knew where their campsite was, so the police searched without
finding them. When Tom & kids returned, Tom got charged for wasting
police time & resources, even though he had done nothing wrong at all. Subsequently, he got summoned to a family court hearing in view of the
police charges -- even though those charges were completely
unwarranted.
He saw what was coming -- he was going to lose custody of his kids
based on an entirely fraudulent trumped-up charge. Thus the flight.
On 2025-09-08 23:03:30 +0000, Willy Nilly said:Absolutely correct. There was no heroism in the man.
On Tue, 09 Sep 2025, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
The woke Family Court is to blame for a lot of this by giving
custody of the kid to a meth addicted mother. No wonder he took off
with them
Or, more exactly, Tom had custody of his children (because the mom was
a meth-head) and took them on a 2-week bush camp. Good fathering,
right?
NOPE! Not by any stretch of the imagination.
The moron took the kids away, without telling anyone where they were
going or for how long, and then wonders why there was trouble. Only to
then do it again for far longer. Not to mention teaching his kids to
avoid authority, steal, skip school, play with guns, brainwash them
with is looney conspiracy nutter ideas, and finally shoot at policemen. >That's almost as far from "good fathering" as you can possibly get.
:-\
But the mother raised the alarm, when no alarm was needed, and
nobody knew where their campsite was, so the police searched without
finding them. When Tom & kids returned, Tom got charged for wasting
police time & resources, even though he had done nothing wrong at all.
Subsequently, he got summoned to a family court hearing in view of the
police charges -- even though those charges were completely
unwarranted.
He saw what was coming -- he was going to lose custody of his kids
based on an entirely fraudulent trumped-up charge. Thus the flight.
On 2025-09-08 23:03:30 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
Or, more exactly, Tom had custody of his children (because the mom was
a meth-head) and took them on a 2-week bush camp. Good fathering,
right?
NOPE! Not by any stretch of the imagination.
The moron took the kids away, without telling anyone where they were
going or for how long, and then wonders why there was trouble.
Only to
then do it again for far longer. Not to mention teaching his kids to
avoid authority, steal, skip school, play with guns, brainwash them
with is looney conspiracy nutter ideas, and finally shoot at policemen. >That's almost as far from "good fathering" as you can possibly get.
On Thu, 11 Sep 2025 14:10:19, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-09-08 23:03:30 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
Or, more exactly, Tom had custody of his children (because the mom was
a meth-head) and took them on a 2-week bush camp. Good fathering,
right?
NOPE! Not by any stretch of the imagination.
The moron took the kids away, without telling anyone where they were
going or for how long, and then wonders why there was trouble.
Your reply is fair enough, up to here.
Only to
then do it again for far longer. Not to mention teaching his kids to
avoid authority, steal, skip school, play with guns, brainwash them
with is looney conspiracy nutter ideas, and finally shoot at policemen.
That's almost as far from "good fathering" as you can possibly get.
You are playing "bait and switch". My "good fathering" comment
applied only to the original 2-week excursion.
It's becoming clear now that the original police account of the
confrontation resulting in Tom's death, included multiple lies and exaggerations. At this point we don't know what actually happened
there.
The photos of Tom's camp shows those kids were living rough lives.
That was wrong. I had thought they might be living incognito at
someone's house far away. But in the end, this was only a Maricopa
story. Sorry for the kids, hope they will come out of this strong.
I doubt that Tom knew what an international name he had become. With
that knowledge, he might have relented and brought those kids back
out. We'll never know.
On 2025-09-08 03:32:32 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
All I can say is, I hope the kids will be alright, and I think we'll
never know the exact sequence of events of this tragic day -- I don't
trust the police to give an accurate accounting, it'll be CYA as
everything seems to be nowadays.
The kids will have been brainwashed by their looney father over the
last four years into distrusting everyone. Now their father has been
"killed" by police, so they'll distrust authorities even more. It's
going to be a long long road, and probably lots of future entangements
with the law, until these kids are ever "normal" again, if they ever
will be. It can only be hoped that the rest of their family is sane
enough to help them get there. :-(
On 2025-09-08 06:25:47 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2025-09-08 03:32:32 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
All I can say is, I hope the kids will be alright, and I think we'll
never know the exact sequence of events of this tragic day -- I don't
trust the police to give an accurate accounting, it'll be CYA as
everything seems to be nowadays.
The kids will have been brainwashed by their looney father over the
last four years into distrusting everyone. Now their father has been
"killed" by police, so they'll distrust authorities even more. It's
going to be a long long road, and probably lots of future entangements
with the law, until these kids are ever "normal" again, if they ever
will be. It can only be hoped that the rest of their family is sane
enough to help them get there. :-(
The other problem is that the new media, as usual, just keeps on and on
and on about it, over-analysing every time thing. It's still on the
front page of the NZ Herald. It's over, leave it alone! :-\
On 2025-09-12, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-09-08 06:25:47 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2025-09-08 03:32:32 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
All I can say is, I hope the kids will be alright, and I think we'll
never know the exact sequence of events of this tragic day -- I don't
trust the police to give an accurate accounting, it'll be CYA as
everything seems to be nowadays.
The kids will have been brainwashed by their looney father over the
last four years into distrusting everyone. Now their father has been
"killed" by police, so they'll distrust authorities even more. It's
going to be a long long road, and probably lots of future entangements
with the law, until these kids are ever "normal" again, if they ever
will be. It can only be hoped that the rest of their family is sane
enough to help them get there. :-(
The other problem is that the news media, as usual, just keeps on and on
and on about it, over-analysing every tiny thing. It's still on the
front page of the NZ Herald. It's over, leave it alone! :-\
This is more a comment on the public's mindset rather than the case itself. Helping the "cause" is the matter of there are many interesting aspects
which fuel folks curousity.
On 2025-09-13 00:54:03 +0000, Gordon said:Yes that's correct.
On 2025-09-12, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2025-09-08 06:25:47 +0000, Your Name said:
On 2025-09-08 03:32:32 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
All I can say is, I hope the kids will be alright, and I think we'll >>>>> never know the exact sequence of events of this tragic day -- I don't >>>>> trust the police to give an accurate accounting, it'll be CYA as
everything seems to be nowadays.
The kids will have been brainwashed by their looney father over the
last four years into distrusting everyone. Now their father has been
"killed" by police, so they'll distrust authorities even more. It's
going to be a long long road, and probably lots of future entangements >>>> with the law, until these kids are ever "normal" again, if they ever
will be. It can only be hoped that the rest of their family is sane
enough to help them get there. :-(
The other problem is that the news media, as usual, just keeps on and on >>> and on about it, over-analysing every tiny thing. It's still on the
front page of the NZ Herald. It's over, leave it alone! :-\
This is more a comment on the public's mindset rather than the case itself. >> Helping the "cause" is the matter of there are many interesting aspects
which fuel folks curousity.
Is it? Or is it simply the media pushing it to *supposedly* get bigger >reader/viewer figures?
I don't know anybody who is has even the tiniest interest in this in
the first place (other than the kids being safe again), let alone half
a week later. Just leave the rest of it to the appropriate government >departments to deal with the messy aftermath.
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