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  • Needing to go bi-partisan on this

    From Gordon@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, December 18, 2025 23:50:34
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/582138/households-ponder-future-of-gas-as-supply-dwindles

    https://nzgbc.org.nz/hubfs/Research%20and%20reports/NZGBC%20-%20Protecting%20Our%20Gas%20Supply%20Report%20-%20Single%20Pages.pdf

    NZ is on the point of a (natural) gas shortage, as in only enough left for
    the maufacturing. Proposal is to switch over to power.

    As pointed out this will take some time and effort as well as money. The
    time line is about a decade or two. Another iss us that the public seems to
    be in denial which will delay the numbers cutting of by the required time.

    The Parties need to agree that this is the plan and not sticking to it will cause uncertanity, which the businesses do not like.

    There is a certain sense of irony in that even if the previous Labour Government had continued drilling it looks like NZ would still be in the
    same situation as the sucess rate of drilling has been nil over the last 20 years.

    There is also the irony that NZ will probably go more electric as there is
    no gas left.

    Finally, the price of electricity will rise, as NZ does not have a excess supply.

    This will be an area worth watching.

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  • From Crash@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, December 20, 2025 13:29:17
    On 18 Dec 2025 23:50:34 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/582138/households-ponder-future-of-gas-as-supply-dwindles

    https://nzgbc.org.nz/hubfs/Research%20and%20reports/NZGBC%20-%20Protecting%20Our%20Gas%20Supply%20Report%20-%20Single%20Pages.pdf

    NZ is on the point of a (natural) gas shortage, as in only enough left for >the maufacturing. Proposal is to switch over to power.

    As pointed out this will take some time and effort as well as money. The
    time line is about a decade or two. Another iss us that the public seems to >be in denial which will delay the numbers cutting of by the required time.

    The Parties need to agree that this is the plan and not sticking to it will >cause uncertanity, which the businesses do not like.

    There is a certain sense of irony in that even if the previous Labour >Government had continued drilling it looks like NZ would still be in the
    same situation as the sucess rate of drilling has been nil over the last 20 >years.

    There is also the irony that NZ will probably go more electric as there is
    no gas left.

    Finally, the price of electricity will rise, as NZ does not have a excess >supply.

    This will be an area worth watching.

    While the issues raised are valid, any expectation of a bipartisan (National/Labour) approach is doomed. NZ simply does not do this, and
    a shifting political landscape would probably mean any bipartisan
    agreement does not endure. Such is the nature of politics.

    However steps can and should be taken to curb the use of natural gas
    sourced from dwindling supply. This does not need to be limited to
    commercial or non-commercial use - there will be good cases for both
    to use alternative energy, most likely electricity.

    Personally I live in a house that came with bottled gas to supply a
    cooking hob when I bought it. I would convert to an induction hob if
    the price of LPG gets too high or reliability of supply is degraded.
    Hot water, oven and heating are all electric. Those are the levers
    that will drive households away from gas.

    Governments need to come up with workable ways to encourage new
    generation of base load electricity (ie excludes solar, wind and all
    other forms of uncontrollable energy generation sources.


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    Crash McBash

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