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  • Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week

    From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 10, 2025 21:03:30
    On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 20:51:48 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    Two weeks early, like many many other greedy retailers ...

    How dare they cut prices early to try to get an edge over other
    retailers!!

    They should all agree on a start date for Black Friday deals, and all
    start discounting together!!! Make the punters pay full price until then,
    so they can?t shop around!!!!!!!

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  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 11, 2025 10:54:03
    On 2025-11-10 21:03:30 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Mon, 10 Nov 2025 20:51:48 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    Two weeks early, like many many other greedy retailers ...

    How dare they cut prices early to try to get an edge over other
    retailers!!

    They should all agree on a start date for Black Friday deals, and all
    start discounting together!!! Make the punters pay full price until then,
    so they can?t shop around!!!!!!!

    A. There are near-continuous sales at many retailers, so if you're
    paying full price you either need the item *right now* or are
    an idiot. (This is especially true for places like Briscoes,
    where they never sell items at the "normal" price, so may as
    well just stop trying to con customers and just say "these are
    our normal prices".)

    B. Greedy retailers trying to move these events earlier and earlier
    is why we get Christmas stock on shelves in August and Easter
    eggs in January. :-\

    C. There are actually "rules" for these 'special days'. Black Friday,
    for example, is meant to be the Friday after US Thanksgiving, not the
    whole month of November (some twits even started in October!).

    D. Today is the equally silly "Singles Day", so they could just as
    easily have used that as the excuse for their current "sale" and
    then that would give them another excuse for a "sale" in two more
    weeks time.



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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 10, 2025 22:27:45
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:54:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    A. There are near-continuous sales at many retailers ...

    There are laws in NZ against that kind of bogus year-round ?sale?. And the Commerce Commission does enforce the law.

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  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 11, 2025 12:34:51
    On 2025-11-10 22:27:45 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:54:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    A. There are near-continuous sales at many retailers ...

    There are laws in NZ against that kind of bogus year-round ?sale?. And the Commerce Commission does enforce the law.

    Obviously not very well since many retailers have a near-continuous
    sale. Briscoes being the most obvious, but there are others too.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 10, 2025 23:45:55
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:34:51 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2025-11-10 22:27:45 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:

    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:54:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    A. There are near-continuous sales at many retailers ...

    There are laws in NZ against that kind of bogus year-round ?sale?. And
    the Commerce Commission does enforce the law.

    Obviously not very well since many retailers have a near-continuous
    sale. Briscoes being the most obvious, but there are others too.

    And yet you complain about it as ?greedy retailers?.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 11, 2025 15:47:47
    On 2025-11-10 23:45:55 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:34:51 +1300, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-11-10 22:27:45 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:54:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    A. There are near-continuous sales at many retailers ...

    There are laws in NZ against that kind of bogus year-round ?sale?. And
    the Commerce Commission does enforce the law.

    Obviously not very well since many retailers have a near-continuous
    sale. Briscoes being the most obvious, but there are others too.

    And yet you complain about it as ?greedy retailers?.

    The two aren't connected. Plus, if they can sell them at the "sale"
    price while still making a profit (which they mostly do), then
    obviously the "normal" price is greedily excessive to begin with.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 11, 2025 04:47:22
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 15:47:47 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2025-11-10 23:45:55 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:34:51 +1300, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-11-10 22:27:45 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:54:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    A. There are near-continuous sales at many retailers ...

    There are laws in NZ against that kind of bogus year-round ?sale?.
    And the Commerce Commission does enforce the law.

    Obviously not very well since many retailers have a near-continuous
    sale. Briscoes being the most obvious, but there are others too.

    And yet you complain about it as ?greedy retailers?.

    The two aren't connected.

    You previously said:

    > Two weeks early, like many many other greedy retailers ...

    If your idea of ?greedy? had nothing to do with the duration of sales,
    then what was it to do with?

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 11, 2025 18:14:37
    On 2025-11-11 04:47:22 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:

    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 15:47:47 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    On 2025-11-10 23:45:55 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:34:51 +1300, Your Name wrote:
    On 2025-11-10 22:27:45 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:54:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    A. There are near-continuous sales at many retailers ...

    There are laws in NZ against that kind of bogus year-round ?sale?.
    And the Commerce Commission does enforce the law.

    Obviously not very well since many retailers have a near-continuous
    sale. Briscoes being the most obvious, but there are others too.

    And yet you complain about it as ?greedy retailers?.

    The two aren't connected.

    You previously said:

    > Two weeks early, like many many other greedy retailers ...

    If your idea of ?greedy? had nothing to do with the duration of sales,
    then what was it to do with?

    I said *NEAR*-continuous sales

    You said "year-round" sales.

    There's a difference, which greedy retailers use to side-step the
    supposed enforcing of the law.



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    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Mutley@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, November 12, 2025 16:20:30
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2025-11-10 22:27:45 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:54:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    A. There are near-continuous sales at many retailers ...

    There are laws in NZ against that kind of bogus year-round ?sale?. And the >> Commerce Commission does enforce the law.

    Obviously not very well since many retailers have a near-continuous
    sale. Briscoes being the most obvious, but there are others too.

    PB Tech is the Briscoes of the tech world.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, November 12, 2025 03:58:27
    On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 10:57:31 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    Doesn't really change the point that the original price was greedily excessive ...

    So if they start discounting from that original price earlier in the year, doesn?t that reduce the time that they can charge the higher price? Is
    that ?more? greedy, or ?less??

    "Competitive pricing" is largely a myth. All the store brands basically collude on a price.

    The Commerce Commission has collected quite a few scalps on its belt from prosecuting such cases.

    That's the first rule of greedy big business: scam your customer for as
    much as money you can get away with.

    Does early discounting help with that?

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  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, November 12, 2025 17:41:31
    On 2025-11-12 03:58:27 +0000, Lawrence D?Oliveiro said:
    On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 10:57:31 +1300, Your Name wrote:

    Doesn't really change the point that the original price was greedily
    excessive ...

    So if they start discounting from that original price earlier in the year, doesn?t that reduce the time that they can charge the higher price? Is
    that ?more? greedy, or ?less??

    Obviously less since they haven't been charging teh full excessive
    price all along.



    "Competitive pricing" is largely a myth. All the store brands basically
    collude on a price.

    The Commerce Commission has collected quite a few scalps on its belt from prosecuting such cases.

    That only works when the companies actively collude on pricing. On most
    cases the various brands simply match the prices of their competitiors.

    As an example, yesterday I got an email about a Toyworld 20% off sale
    on Thursday and, (no) 'surprise', in today's emails was The Warehouse
    having a 20% off toys sale on Thursday as well. No doubt Farmers,
    K-mart, etc. will all "suddenly" follow suit as well with their own 20%
    off sales.

    Another one is the supermarkets. Both Countdown/Woolworths and New
    World used to release their weekly sales brochures on Sunday night. Now Woolworths waits until Monday so they can see what New World has done
    and copy them. Sometimes one or the other will take a "massive" 1c more
    off the price to make it appear to be a better deal (e.g. one
    supermarket will have a price of $2 while the other uses $1.99).



    That's the first rule of greedy big business: scam your customer for as
    much as money you can get away with.

    Does early discounting help with that?

    Not really. They are still making massive profits at customer expense -
    that's how big business works, that's how the managers get obscene pay
    packets perks, that's how they can "sponsor" (i.e. tax write off)
    community organisations, etc.

    The most obvious example is wackjob Elon Musk is going to be paid US$1 trillion (assuming he "hits the targets"). That money comes from
    somehwere ... it's called the customer. Even just sacking the looney
    would save money (e.g. if they made 1 trillion products, reduce the
    price by $1 each).


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