• Re: ISO image to USB-stick writeable?

    From Robert Heller@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 07, 2026 15:30:01
    The ISO-9660 file system was originally intended for CD-ROMs (note "ROM": Read Only Media). It is was designed as a writable file system. I have no idea what Unetbootin is doing, but it obviously NOT directly copying the ISO-9660 disk image to the flash drive.

    There is no reason to make the ISO boot image itself writable. If you want to create a self-contained bootable Linux system on a flash drive and use it as a rwad/write Linux system, that is something else.

    At Wed, 07 Oct 2026 14:15:15 +0200 hans.ullrich@mail.de wrote:


    Hi list,

    does someone know, why when writing an ISO-file with the tool "dd" to an USB-
    stick, this stick can not be mounted writable? Tricks like "remount rw" or similar do not work?

    On the other hand, when I am writing the same ISO-image to the stick by using
    Unetbootin, the files on the stick are writable.

    What did I miss? It looks, Unetbootin (and I believe BalenaEtcher, too) are working other than dd.

    Is there an option, using dd and let the stick writable iIn case, I want to edit some files, like syslinux.cfg, grub.cfg or similar)?

    Thanks for enlightening me.

    Best

    Hans

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  • From Robert Heller@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 07, 2026 15:30:01
    At Wed, 7 Oct 2026 09:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:


    The ISO-9660 file system was originally intended for CD-ROMs (note "ROM": Read
    Only Media). It is was designed as a writable file system. I have no idea what
    ^- NOT (opps!)
    Unetbootin is doing, but it obviously NOT directly copying the ISO-9660 disk image to the flash drive.

    There is no reason to make the ISO boot image itself writable. If you want to
    create a self-contained bootable Linux system on a flash drive and use it as a
    rwad/write Linux system, that is something else.

    At Wed, 07 Oct 2026 14:15:15 +0200 hans.ullrich@mail.de wrote:


    Hi list,

    does someone know, why when writing an ISO-file with the tool "dd" to an USB-
    stick, this stick can not be mounted writable? Tricks like "remount rw" or similar do not work?

    On the other hand, when I am writing the same ISO-image to the stick by using
    Unetbootin, the files on the stick are writable.

    What did I miss? It looks, Unetbootin (and I believe BalenaEtcher, too) are working other than dd.

    Is there an option, using dd and let the stick writable iIn case, I want to edit some files, like syslinux.cfg, grub.cfg or similar)?

    Thanks for enlightening me.

    Best

    Hans

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  • From Robert Heller@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 07, 2026 16:10:01
    The "live" boot Linux ISOs mount a *RAMDISK* -- the "writable" disk is not the CD/DVD-ROM (or flash drive).

    At Wed, 7 Oct 2026 13:41:32 -0000 (UTC) CGS <etphonehomefrance@gmail.com> wrote:


    On 2026-10-07, Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> wrote:
    The ISO-9660 file system was originally intended for CD-ROMs (note "ROM": Read
    Only Media). It is was designed as a writable file system. I have no idea what
    Unetbootin is doing, but it obviously NOT directly copying the ISO-9660 disk
    image to the flash drive.

    There is no reason to make the ISO boot image itself writable. If you want to
    create a self-contained bootable Linux system on a flash drive and use it as a
    rwad/write Linux system, that is something else.

    Aren't there bootable ISOs that have a writable part (certain "live" systems)? Maybe they're not ISO-9660.




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  • From Robert Heller@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, October 07, 2026 19:40:01
    At Wed, 7 Oct 2026 14:32:00 -0000 (UTC) CGS <etphonehomefrance@gmail.com> wrote:


    On 2026-10-07, nwe <nwe@gitcoding.net> wrote:
    One of my 32GB USB sticks here I dd copied an ISO-9660 to it then
    formatted the remaining space as an additional partition with
    FAT32. It is not very user friendly, most file browsers do not
    even list that second partition for me until I mount it manually
    at the terminal.</p>

    What's confusing to me is when you write the ISO to the thumb drive it
    uses the entire space, though the drive might have a larger capacity
    than the ISO itself. So where is the latter written: At the beginning, the end,
    in the middle, or all over the place? Could you have a partition at the
    "end" of the drive and use some tool to write the ISO at the "beginning"
    so that the end partition is preserved? I've never heard of that being
    done; it's always the inverse case, like your own. ISO first, then data partition (I think the term they used to use was "persistence").

    No, using the likes of dd, when you write the ISO image, it "clobers" the partition table. This causes the flash drive to have either no partition table (just the ISO file system) or the partition table set up when the image was created. Either way the full capacity of the flash drive is not "visible".

    If there is a replacement partition table, that partition table can be amended with fdisk or parted.

    Originally, the Linux boot (live / install) images were just a raw ISO-9660 file system image, normally ment to be "burned" onto an optical disk (write once CD-ROM or one of the various flavors of writable DVDs). PC BIOS's (before UEFI/Secure boot) would treat a USB drive with an ISO-9660 file system just like a CD-ROM and if it had a bootable signature, would boot it, just like a bootable CD-ROM. I think the newer images, which are meant to be imaged onto flash drives, have a partituon table and a FAT32 UEFI partition, plus the bootable ISO-9660 file system in a separate partition.





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