Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?
It seems like I've got lots of choices:
$ apt search paranoia
abcde/stable 2.9.3-1 all
A Better CD Encoder
cd-paranoia/stable 10.2+2.0.2-1+b1 amd64
audio CD reading utility which includes extra data verification features cdparanoia/stable 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64
audio extraction tool for sampling CDs
jack/stable 4~git20241202.3410dc1-2 all
Rip and encode CDs with one command
libcdio-paranoia-dev/stable 10.2+2.0.2-1+b1 amd64
library to read digital audio CDs with error correction (development
files)
libcdio-paranoia2t64/stable,now 10.2+2.0.2-1+b1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
library to read digital audio CDs with error correction
libcdio-utils/stable 2.2.0-4.1~deb13u1 amd64
sample applications based on the CDIO libraries
libcdparanoia-dev/stable 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64
audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (development) libcdparanoia0/stable,now 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (library) liblwpx-paranoidagent-perl/stable 1.12-3 all
"paranoid" subclass of LWP::UserAgent
libpapi7.1t64/stable 7.1.0-5+b1 amd64
PAPI runtime (shared libraries)
ripit/stable 4.0.0~rc20161009-1 all
Textbased audio CD ripper
ripperx/stable 2.8.0-4+b1 amd64
GTK-based audio CD ripper/encoder
ruby-paranoia/stable 3.0.0-1 all
re-implementation of acts_as_paranoid for Rails 3
yaret/stable 2.1.0-6 all
console tool to turn CDs into encoded music
Which one is the best?
On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC) + LAME
I found instructions for running EAC with WINE. Is that better than any 'native' app?
Thanks
Lee


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On 2026-06-04 18:57, Lee wrote:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

k3b (to FLAC).

Haven't looked for alternatives for years.

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On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 9:38?PM Eben King wrote:

On 6/4/26 18:57, Lee wrote:

Previously I used

abcde/stable 2.9.3-1 all
A Better CD Encoder

but recently I went to rip some more, and abcde wasn't installed, so I used

hrmmm... you didn't install abcde. Should I read something into that?

Like it wasn't all that great?

cdparanoia/stable 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64

audio extraction tool for sampling CDs

what makes that option so much fun is there's a cdparanoia and a

cd-paranoia.
Is there an actual difference or is this yet another instance of someone
being too [something] to fix whatever so they write another version of the program from scratch?
(& why is re-implementing something such a thing in linux??)
I don't do it often, so I haven't really compared the lot of 'em.

On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC) + LAME
I found instructions for running EAC with WINE. Is that better than any 'native' app?

I have not used EAC but I avoid WINE if there's a native app.

Which is what I'm trying to do. I haven't installed wine yet, but EAC
might change my mind. And Irfanview. Why the **** isn't there an open
source view pretty much any image program for linux? xnview is free, but
not opensource, so I'm still looking for an image viewer ..
In any case, thanks for the info!!
Regards,
Lee


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On Fri, 05 Jun 2026 01:00:01 +0200 Lee <ler762@gmail.com> wrote:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

It seems like I've got lots of choices:

Here's the little script I use.
I call it "cd2mp3" - the name says it all.

# Rip MP3s from a CD - version 2023-04-21
cdparanoia -B
#cdda2wav -D /dev/cdrom -x -B -O wav
#icedax -D /dev/sr0 -x -B -O wav
for t in *.wav; do lame $t; done

As you may have noticed, I experimented with a couple of
other programs (cdda2wav and icedax), but finally returned
to good old cdparanoia. It works well, and tries really
hard if it's dealing with a damaged CD.

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On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 10:01?PM ?ar?nas Burdulis wrote:

On 2026-06-04 18:57, Lee wrote:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

k3b (to FLAC).

Cool. Another item to add to my list of things to check out
Thanks
Lee


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Lee wrote:

On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 9:38?PM Eben King wrote:

cdparanoia/stable 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64

audio extraction tool for sampling CDs

what makes that option so much fun is there's a cdparanoia and a

cd-paranoia.
Is there an actual difference or is this yet another instance of someone being too [something] to fix whatever so they write another version of the program from scratch?

cd-paranoia with a dash says:

This version uses the libcdio library for interaction with a CD-ROM drive.
The jitter and error correction however are the same as used in Xiph's
cdparanoia.

(& why is re-implementing something such a thing in linux??)

Open source and no central control.

On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC) + LAME
I found instructions for running EAC with WINE. Is that better than any 'native' app?

No.

might change my mind. And Irfanview. Why the **** isn't there an open source view pretty much any image program for linux? xnview is free, but
not opensource, so I'm still looking for an image viewer ..

eog - eye of GNOME
eom - eye of MATE
ephoto - Enlightened image viewer
feh - fast, lightweight image viewer
gthumb - advanced image viewer and browser
gwenview - for KDE
imview - Image viewing and analysis
... and on through the alphabet.

Try "apt search image view"

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On Thu, 2026-06-04 at 18:57 -0400, Lee wrote:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

I?ve used several programs over the years. In addition to the stuf
f
you listed, maybe also look at 'abcde', 'whipper', 'grimripper', ?
(there are many more, and most are user interfaces for the "paranoia" library/code, so searching for anything that has a dependency on
*paranoia* should get you a fairly complete list).

On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC) + LAME
I found instructions for running EAC with WINE.ÿ Is that better than
any 'native' app?

I think EAC is still the ?gold standard?, but anything dire
ctly or
indirectly based on "paranoia" is pretty good too.


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On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 18:57:59 -0400
Lee <ler762@gmail.com> wrote:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

Not even on your list: asunder. It's a GTK+ front end for ripping CDs
and using lame to convert from wav to *.

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On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 10:03?PM Lee <ler762@gmail.com> wrote:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

It seems like I've got lots of choices:

$ apt search paranoia
abcde/stable 2.9.3-1 all
A Better CD Encoder

cd-paranoia/stable 10.2+2.0.2-1+b1 amd64
audio CD reading utility which includes extra data verification features

cdparanoia/stable 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64
audio extraction tool for sampling CDs

jack/stable 4~git20241202.3410dc1-2 all
Rip and encode CDs with one command

libcdio-paranoia-dev/stable 10.2+2.0.2-1+b1 amd64
library to read digital audio CDs with error correction (development
files)

libcdio-paranoia2t64/stable,now 10.2+2.0.2-1+b1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
library to read digital audio CDs with error correction

libcdio-utils/stable 2.2.0-4.1~deb13u1 amd64
sample applications based on the CDIO libraries

libcdparanoia-dev/stable 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64
audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (development)

libcdparanoia0/stable,now 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (library)

liblwpx-paranoidagent-perl/stable 1.12-3 all
"paranoid" subclass of LWP::UserAgent

libpapi7.1t64/stable 7.1.0-5+b1 amd64
PAPI runtime (shared libraries)

ripit/stable 4.0.0~rc20161009-1 all
Textbased audio CD ripper

ripperx/stable 2.8.0-4+b1 amd64
GTK-based audio CD ripper/encoder

ruby-paranoia/stable 3.0.0-1 all
re-implementation of acts_as_paranoid for Rails 3

yaret/stable 2.1.0-6 all
console tool to turn CDs into encoded music

Which one is the best?

If you are using GNOME then:
sound-juicer/stable 3.40.0-3 amd64
GNOME CD Ripper
If you are using KDE then:
k3b/stable 25.04.0-1 amd64
Sophisticated CD/DVD burning application
I personally use Sound Converter
soundconverter/stable 4.0.6-2 all
GNOME application to convert audio files into other formats

On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC) + LAME
I found instructions for running EAC with WINE. Is that better than any 'native' app?

Thanks
Lee

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Hi Lee,
since years I use grip https://sourceforge.net/projects/grip/
Peter
Am 05.06.26 um 00:57 schrieb Lee:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

It seems like I've got lots of choices:

$ apt search paranoia
abcde/stable 2.9.3-1 all
? A Better CD Encoder

cd-paranoia/stable 10.2+2.0.2-1+b1 amd64
? audio CD reading utility which includes extra data verification features

cdparanoia/stable 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64
? audio extraction tool for sampling CDs

jack/stable 4~git20241202.3410dc1-2 all
? Rip and encode CDs with one command

libcdio-paranoia-dev/stable 10.2+2.0.2-1+b1 amd64
? library to read digital audio CDs with error correction (development files)

libcdio-paranoia2t64/stable,now 10.2+2.0.2-1+b1 amd64
[installed,automatic]
? library to read digital audio CDs with error correction

libcdio-utils/stable 2.2.0-4.1~deb13u1 amd64
? sample applications based on the CDIO libraries

libcdparanoia-dev/stable 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64
? audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (development)

libcdparanoia0/stable,now 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
? audio extraction tool for sampling CDs (library)

liblwpx-paranoidagent-perl/stable 1.12-3 all
? "paranoid" subclass of LWP::UserAgent

libpapi7.1t64/stable 7.1.0-5+b1 amd64
? PAPI runtime (shared libraries)

ripit/stable 4.0.0~rc20161009-1 all
? Textbased audio CD ripper

ripperx/stable 2.8.0-4+b1 amd64
? GTK-based audio CD ripper/encoder

ruby-paranoia/stable 3.0.0-1 all
? re-implementation of acts_as_paranoid for Rails 3

yaret/stable 2.1.0-6 all
? console tool to turn CDs into encoded music

Which one is the best?

On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC)?+ LAME
I found instructions for running EAC with WINE.? Is that better than
any 'native' app?

Thanks
Lee

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On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 10:52:27PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

Lee wrote:

On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 9:38?PM Eben King wrote:

[...]

(& why is re-implementing something such a thing in linux??)

Open source and no central control.

The first part of the answer deserves a bit more: "open source" [1]
makes that easy. You can mix and match bits and pieces of other
programs to make that one you like and haven't found yet.
And since there's not "the best", but "the best for you and
folks alike", this is a Good Thing :-)
Cheers
[1] I prefer to spell that as "free software" ;)
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 10:52?PM Dan Ritter wrote:

Lee wrote:

On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 9:38?PM Eben King wrote:

cdparanoia/stable 3.10.2+debian-14+b1 amd64

audio extraction tool for sampling CDs

what makes that option so much fun is there's a cdparanoia and a

cd-paranoia.

Is there an actual difference or is this yet another instance of someone being too [something] to fix whatever so they write another version of

the

program from scratch?

cd-paranoia with a dash says:

This version uses the libcdio library for interaction with a CD-ROM drive.
The jitter and error correction however are the same as used in Xiph's
cdparanoia.

I moved from programming to networking decades ago. So my ability to read
code leaves much to be desired :(
I'm sure that if I knew what I was doing I'd know, or be able to figure
out, the difference between libcdio and whatever cdparanoia uses.. but
maybe I'll get lucky and find a comparison by Someone Who Knows what all
the difference is.
OK.. I realize this is what I signed up for when I switched to Debian (or
open source in general), but it would be nice if it was a bit easier.
I'm still adjusting to the expectation of being able to read code to answer most any questions you have.

(& why is re-implementing something such a thing in linux??)

Open source and no central control.

Which begs the question of why the person/people supporting the original program don't cherry pick the neat ideas from the new version and
incorporate them into the original version.
For example, I don't understand why Apache is supporting openoffice. OK.. Oracle was trying to dump it & Apache taking it was probably the best
option. But why is Apache still supporting openoffice? Most of the
Openoffice people told Oracle to buzz off & they forked libre office. Why
do we still have open office years later???

On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC) + LAME

I found instructions for running EAC with WINE. Is that better than

any

'native' app?

No.

Because?

might change my mind. And Irfanview. Why the **** isn't there an open

source view pretty much any image program for linux? xnview is free, but not opensource, so I'm still looking for an image viewer ..

<.. snip list ..>
... and on through the alphabet.

Try "apt search image view"

I did that and more. I was so sick of the process that when I found xnview
I quit looking - even though xnview isn't open source.
For whatever it's worth, Irfanview supports all this:
https://www.irfanview.com/main_formats.htm
It'd be nice if I could find something comparable. That could also do
obscure sound files.
I've still got some SunOS .au files from decades ago & some midi files that
are probably decades old also.
and yet another FWIW:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)
While popular in the early 1990s ("XV is widely considered to be the
preeminent image viewer for the X Window System"[2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xv_(software)#cite_note-2>), ...
I haven't found anything like that for Linux (& preferably Debian)
Regards,
Lee


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On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 11:40?PM Jan Claeys wrote:

On Thu, 2026-06-04 at 18:57 -0400, Lee wrote:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

I?ve used several programs over the years. In addition to the stuff
you listed, maybe also look at 'abcde', 'whipper', 'grimripper', ?
(there are many more, and most are user interfaces for the "paranoia" library/code, so searching for anything that has a dependency on
*paranoia* should get you a fairly complete list).

OK - thanks!

On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC) + LAME

I found instructions for running EAC with WINE. Is that better than
any 'native' app?

I think EAC is still the ?gold standard?, but anything directly or
indirectly based on "paranoia" is pretty good too.

Sounds good. I'll start trying programs based on "paranoia"
Thanks
Lee


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On Fri, Jun 5, 2026 at 12:14?AM Charles Curley wrote:

On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 18:57:59 -0400
Lee wrote:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

Not even on your list: asunder. It's a GTK+ front end for ripping CDs
and using lame to convert from wav to *.

OK.. another one on my list of programs to check
Thanks,
Lee

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Lee <ler762@gmail.com> writes:

[snip (34 lines)]

For example, I don't understand why Apache is supporting openoffice. OK.. Oracle was trying to dump it & Apache
taking it was probably the best option. But why is Apache still supporting openoffice? Most of the Openoffice
people told Oracle to buzz off & they forked libre office. Why do we still have open office years later???

I remember hearing may years ago that the continued existence of OpenOffice
was do to some contractual obligations on the part of IBM towards some of
their customers. The Wikipedia page[1] states that OpenOffice is the designated successor of IBM Lotus Symphony, so that seems to be the
connection.

I wondered whether any of those IBM customers really are still using OpenOffice, but I guess it is probably just baked into some legacy systems.

Cheers,

Loris

Footnotes:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice

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On Fri, Jun 5, 2026 at 2:48?AM Loris Bennett wrote:

Lee writes:

[snip (34 lines)]

For example, I don't understand why Apache is supporting openoffice.

OK.. Oracle was trying to dump it & Apache

taking it was probably the best option. But why is Apache still

supporting openoffice? Most of the Openoffice

people told Oracle to buzz off & they forked libre office. Why do we

still have open office years later???

I remember hearing may years ago that the continued existence of OpenOffice was do to some contractual obligations on the part of IBM towards some of their customers. The Wikipedia page[1] states that OpenOffice is the designated successor of IBM Lotus Symphony, so that seems to be the connection.

I wondered whether any of those IBM customers really are still using OpenOffice, but I guess it is probably just baked into some legacy systems.

I hope nobody is using OpenOffice now.

Cheers,

Loris

Footnotes:
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice

OhNoes!! from your wikipedia link:
"Difficulties maintaining a sufficient number of active developers and code contributors to keep the project viable have persisted for several years.
This has led to persistent problems providing timely fixes to security vulnerabilities <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerability_(computing)>
since 2015. In March 2026, the Apache Security Team raised OpenOffice's security risk status to "red" due to unfixed vulnerabilities over 365 days old."
and further on down:
In September 2016, OpenOffice's project management committee chair Dennis Hamilton began a discussion of possibly discontinuing the project, after
the Apache board had put them on monthly reporting due to the project's
ongoing problems handling security issues.
Seems long past time to retire OpenOffice.
Lee


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On Fri, 5 Jun 2026 02:17:34 -0400,
Lee<ler762@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 5, 2026 at 12:14?AM Charles Curley wrote:

On Thu, 4 Jun 2026 18:57:59 -0400
Lee wrote:

Which program do you use for ripping a music cd?

Not even on your list: asunder. It's a GTK+ front end for ripping CDs
and using lame to convert from wav to *.

OK.. another one on my list of programs to check

Thanks,
Lee

Check out grimripper too, it's packaged in Debian, and is basically a
GTK3 fork of asunder (which is GTK2). As you might know GTK2 is on it's
way out of Debian, so I believe asunder won't be present in forky and
later.

There's however talk about other ports to GTK3 of asunder [1], and
actually, work being done on an supported version of GTK2 [2][3]. So the
future is indeed interesting.

/A

1: https://github.com/rizalmart/asunder-gtk3
2: https://git.devuan.org/Daemonratte/gtk2-ng
3: https://devuanusers.com/thread-gtk2-revival-thread--80

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Lee wrote:

On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 10:52?PM Dan Ritter wrote:

(& why is re-implementing something such a thing in linux??)

Open source and no central control.

Which begs the question of why the person/people supporting the original program don't cherry pick the neat ideas from the new version and
incorporate them into the original version.

That's the nature of humanity. Different people have different
opinions:

when project A almost but not quite fits your vision,
and the maintainers of project A don't share your visoon,
and the license of project A allows for forking

pretty soon there is project A-prime.

Sometimes, people being people, A-prime becomes the one that
everybody uses. Sometimes A-prime has only scratched the itch of
the person who forked A, and nobody hears about it again. And
sometimes the folks who work on A and A-prime discover that they
weren't really so far apart, and the projects re-merge.

On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC) + LAME

I found instructions for running EAC with WINE. Is that better than

any

'native' app?

No.

Because?

Adding more software means increasing the number of bugs. Since
the goal is to get the digital encoding off of a potentially
lossy, timing-sensitive, slightly but not completely
error-corrected optical disk with all sorts of different reading
hardware, adding layers is bad.

I did that and more. I was so sick of the process that when I found xnview
I quit looking - even though xnview isn't open source.

OK. You get to make your choices. Debian offers you lots of
choices, and you don't even have to limit yourself to what
Debian packages.

When you ask a question like the one you just did, you get
answers like the one you just did.

It'd be nice if I could find something comparable. That could also do obscure sound files.

I'm not sure why you would want your image viewer to also be a
dessert topping and floor wax, but whatever.

I've still got some SunOS .au files from decades ago & some midi files that are probably decades old also.

sox or ffmpeg will convert your .au files.

fluidsynth and some soundfonts will play your midi files.

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Hmm. It's been a while since the last time I mounted an audio CD on a
computer (I have stereo systems and a portable DVD player for that), but
as I recall, whenever I did, the tracks simply showed up as .aiff files.

And on the rare occasions when I've actually needed to convert them for
some other purpose (scoring a video, or creating a ringtone for my
cellular phone), I was always able to find something to do it.

As to going the other way, I have a CD-R machine in my stereo system for
that, along with plenty of blanks that are coded to work in it. Along
with various CD-burning software.

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On windows the choice was easy.. Exact Audio Copy (EAC) + LAME
I found instructions for running EAC with WINE. Is that better than any >>> 'native' app?

For my use case, `abcde` was head and shoulders better than EAC because
I could easily script it to do exactly what I wanted.

I have not used EAC but I avoid WINE if there's a native app.

Which is what I'm trying to do. I haven't installed wine yet, but EAC
might change my mind.

With respect to rip quality, AFAIK, EAC won't bring any benefit compared
to `libcd(io-)paranoia`.


=== Stefan

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On Fri, 2026-06-05 at 02:14 -0400, Lee wrote:

Sounds good. I'll start trying programs based on "paranoia"

? which includes pretty much every CD ripper in Debian probably, so
there will be a lot to try! ??


--
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James H. H. Lampert wrote:

Hmm. It's been a while since the last time I mounted an audio CD on a computer (I have stereo systems and a portable DVD player for that), but as
I recall, whenever I did, the tracks simply showed up as .aiff files.

There was a lot being hidden from you.

When everything goes perfectly, it can be hidden transparently
and not too slowly.

cdparanoia is what you want when things go wrong, which they do
remarkably often at both the small and large scale.

And on the rare occasions when I've actually needed to convert them for some other purpose (scoring a video, or creating a ringtone for my cellular phone), I was always able to find something to do it.

Once you have the reconstructed data off the optical disc,
every common tool can work with it.

-dsr-

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On Fri, Jun 5, 2026 at 2:04?AM wrote:

On Thu, Jun 04, 2026 at 10:52:27PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

Lee wrote:

On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 9:38?PM Eben King wrote:

[...]

(& why is re-implementing something such a thing in linux??)

Open source and no central control.

The first part of the answer deserves a bit more: "open source" [1]
makes that easy. You can mix and match bits and pieces of other
programs to make that one you like and haven't found yet.

What you're not saying is that after you do your own one-of-a-kind software Frankenstein you now own it. You. I suspect that more often than not you
end up in the same situation as Apache OpenOffice - an unmaintained mess.
They haven't been able to keep up with bug fixes since 2015. Over 10
years!!!
So yes, free software is great. ** IF ** you have the ability to maintain
it or you can find somebody that will maintain it for you.

And since there's not "the best", but "the best for you and
folks alike", this is a Good Thing :-)

But what happens when you don't have the ability to create your own best version of whatever?
Free software doesn't look like so much of a Good Thing then..
What happens in a work situation when the person/people that were
maintaining some free software version of your own best version of
something leave? "You're screwed" is what immediately comes to my mind..
For example, I loved RANCID (https://shrubbery.net/rancid/) The people at shrubbery.net were wonderful - I'd send them a patch and they'd usually
accept it. Meaning that when the next version of rancid was released I
didn't have to do anything. My changes were already incorporated in rancid
:)
But for all the changes they didn't accept I had to figure out how to make
my changes work in the new version. Which usually wasn't too hard, but
there was a time or two it was a bit of a struggle.
Then I quit. OhNoes!!! You might think it isn't all that hard to find
someone that knows bash scripting, or perl.. but this was a group of people responsible for routing & switching. Knowing how to configure BGP doesn't
mean you know the first thing about bash or perl. And forget about
expect/tcl - who knows how to do that now? much less who knows that _and_ knows routing/switching? I'm guessing not many people. Certainly nobody
in the group that I left.
But enough.. Linux sux at backwards compatibility. I need to just accept that..
Regards
Lee


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On Fri, Jun 5, 2026 at 1:32?PM Jan Claeys wrote:

On Fri, 2026-06-05 at 02:14 -0400, Lee wrote:

Sounds good. I'll start trying programs based on "paranoia"

? which includes pretty much every CD ripper in Debian probably, so
there will be a lot to try! ??

What I left unsaid was that I'll quit trying different programs when I find something good enough :)
I'm not sure what 'good enough' is tho. Probably whatever I find that is
more acceptable than continuing the search :)
Regards
Lee


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For my use case, `abcde` was head and shoulders better than EAC because
I could easily script it to do exactly what I wanted.

I'm curious -- what exactly was it that you wanted?

IIRC it was mostly generating both `.flac` and 96kb/s `.ogg` versions
(plus a resampled version for my ASUS WL-700gE jukebox whose CPU was
not up to the task of resampling to 48kHz on the fly).
but also updating some related personal databases and sending some email notifications for particular issues.


=== Stefan

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I use (and have for many years) crip. Works very well.

--
Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 31.0.50 2026-04-30) on Debian 13.5

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