Lauran Franchesca wrote:

My appoligies if you get this message a lot and/or if I'm supposed to know this or something but, why are messages from the list going to my spam folder?
I have experience being on other mailing lists, such as groups.io, and never have I ever had email go to spam.
I wanted to fix this, as I think it?s rather unusual that I subscribe to a discussion list and not receive messages I opted into.

It is always the case that if any mail is going into a spam
folder, it is because a system that either you or your mail
provider set up decided that they are spam.

You will have to ask your mail provider or examine your own
settings to figure it out. You haven't told us either of those,
so we can't help.

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On 2026-05-27 13:15, Lauran Franchesca wrote:

Hello list, My appoligies if you get this message a lot and/or if
I'm supposed to know this or something but, why are messages from
the list going to my spam folder? I have experience being on other
mailing lists, such as groups.io, and never have I ever had email go
to spam. I wanted to fix this, as I think it?s rather unusual that I subscribe to a discussion list and not receive messages I opted
into. My appoligies for the question, Thanks in Advance.

You may check complete message source for any spam-related headers.
There might be some clues as to why it appears as spam to some server or anti-spam utility.

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Hello list, My appoligies if you get this message a lot and/or if
I'm supposed to know this or something but, why are messages from
the list going to my spam folder?
...

You may check complete message source for any spam-related headers.
...

Here is what I see for the message digest on which this thread first
appeared:
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on debian
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_NONE,
HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,
RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_TVD_MIME_EPI,
T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 So, it's very far from being considered spam by SpamAssassin. Of course, different contents of the digest might change that.
Users of G-Mail can create a filter preventing messages from debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org from being sent to Spam.
The OP is apparently using an asia.com e-mail account, with which I
am not familiar, but I expect it should be possible to whitelist these
messages similarly.
Best regards,
Greg Marks


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Hi,

On Wed, May 27, 2026 at 08:55:30PM -0500, Greg Marks wrote:

Here is what I see for the message digest on which this thread first appeared:

X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on debian
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_NONE,
HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,
RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_TVD_MIME_EPI,
T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1

So, it's very far from being considered spam by SpamAssassin. Of course, different contents of the digest might change that.

The message was very far from being considered spam by *Debian's*
SpamAssassin at the point where the list server accepted it, but that
has little to do with whatever decision the OP's inbox provider might
make about it at the point where it receives the mail from Debian.

A common issue is that there either won't be a DKIM signature or there
will be a broken one from the original sender. According to RFC a broken
DKIM signature is supposed to be treated the same way as a missing one,
but that isn't always honoured.

Another issue is if the sending domain sets a restrictive DMARC policy.
Mails from this list should pass a DMARC check because only one of DKIM
or SPF is needed to do so, and lists.debian.org does have SPF, but
again, this doesn't always seem to be enough.

This is just the state of email today.

groups.io tends to have better deliverability because they rewrite the
from address to be themselves ("From: Some User via somelist <somelist@groups.io>") which enables them to DKIM sign and take full responsibility, so DKIM and SPF will both pass and consequently DMARC
will as well. With the obvious usability downsides.

OP is going to have to learn more about allowlisting senders on their
inbox provider.

Thanks,
Andy

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Hi,

On Wed, May 27, 2026 at 05:15:53PM +0000, Lauran Franchesca wrote:

why are messages from the list going to my spam folder?

As each mail receiving site applies its own anti-spam measures, we
aren't able to tell exactly why your inbox provider thinks that Debian
list mail may be spam. I can speculate, but it isn't useful as I'd just
be guessing and anyway it would not be actionable for you. For anything
that is actionable, You may need to consult their documentation or
customer support in order to find out more information.

It is possible that if you look at the full headers of the email as it
is in your inbox, that your inbox provider may have inserted diagnostic
headers that explain more about their decision. But, they may not have
done so. Even if they have, there is no standard for how this would
appear so we can't easily tell you what to look for.

If you are able to get the full headers of an email that ended up in
your spam folder, by all means post them here in case we can help, but
be prepared for it to not help much.

There may be ways to influence your inbox provider's decisions. Again,
this is something you are going to have to look into. Sometimes there is
some sort of "this is not spam" button. Sometimes simply the act of
moving the email from the spam folder to the inbox or another folder is
enough to "teach" the system, that the sender is genuine.

As you can see, there are no easy answers here which is why a lot of
people just tend to give up.

Thanks,
Andy

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Hi,

On Fri, May 29, 2026 at 03:42:54AM +0000, Lauran Franchesca wrote:

OK, I've decided to just take things into my own hands. Those, I'm not
sure what the proper way to do this is, manually ad the lists address
to the to or CC field

It's hard for me to believe that your inbox provider's app (web or
mobile) does not have a "reply all" feature. I would consider that below
the minimum viable product for such a thing. You've told me off-list
that you're using a screen reader so I appreciate it may not be easily discoverable, but I just can't imagine it not being there somewhere.

Manually adding the list in to Cc: every time will work but is
incredibly frustrating for you. If you can't make progress with mail.com
then I'm sure there must be a better email service available to you. It
would probably be best to ask in a screen reader users' community about
which service works best.

Thanks,
Andy

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On Fri, May 29, 2026 at 10:55:26PM +0000, Lauran Franchesca wrote:
[empty body]
FWIW, I'm seeing the same Greg is seeing: empty message body, content
as an "OpenPGP encrypted message" (the attachment is in this answer
as well, so you can check).
Cheers
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On Sat, May 30, 2026 at 06:06:46AM +0000, Lauran Franchesca wrote:
I don't know /which/ of the messages you mean by "this", but
you might be getting one via the list, the other via CC to
you. You can check it by reading carefully the message headers.
Cheers
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On Sat, May 30, 2026 at 01:05:16PM +0000, Lauran Franchesca wrote:
Sorry, I think I can't help you there :-(
Good luck
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On 2026-05-30, john doe wrote:

Just to clarify myself, this is not the first e-mail that the OP is sending through the list without something in the body.

And we could add further that there is a nicer mailing list to cope with
this :
https://lists.debian.org/debian-lists-test/

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Hi,

On Sat, May 30, 2026 at 03:15:30PM +0200, john doe wrote:

On 5/30/26 3:11 PM, john doe wrote:

This is not the first e-mail that you are posting to this list, that
would be nice if you could fix that!

Just to clarify myself, this is not the first e-mail that the OP is sending through the list without something in the body.

I don't think they realise what they are doing. The emails aren't empty;
they contain what looks like an encrypted part that is probably
encrypted to the other person they are directly emailing, thus pointless
to also Cc to the list since we can't decrypt them.

I suspect it's some setting in their webmail that automatically encrypts
mail to a contact thjat is known to also use PGP, but then OP is also
adding manual Cc: to the list. I agree it's annoying and wish they would
stop, I just don't think they understand what is happening. Possibly exacerbated by the fact that they would be able to read their own emails
so may not notice anything is wrong for anyone else.

Thanks,
Andy

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