On 2026-03-12, Paul Scott <waterhorsemusic@aol.com> wrote:

When I couldn't print I found this in the cups error_log

What's your printer?

W [12/Mar/2026:00:57:05 -0700] Printer drivers are deprecated and will
stop working in a future version of CUPS. See https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/103

I went to the link but I don't know enough to know what it means and
more importantly how I can fix printing.

TIA for any help,

Paul

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On Thu 12 Mar 2026 at 10:25:39 (-0700), Paul Scott wrote:

When I couldn't print I found this in the cups error_log

W [12/Mar/2026:00:57:05 -0700] Printer drivers are deprecated and will
stop working in a future version of CUPS. See https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/103

I went to the link but I don't know enough to know what it means and
more importantly how I can fix printing.

Perhaps take a look at
https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Driverless_Printing
which has links to other Debian pages on the subject.

You said "fix printing", so presumably it worked for you before.
What changed? Have you upgraded, changed printers, etc?
To go further, I think you have to post the usual essentials,
OS version, printer type, what you tried, what happened, etc.
Yes, you got a message, but that looks like the sort of warning
that could be emitted even when the job actually printed. So
on its own, it doesn't tell us a lot.

Cheers,
David.

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On Thu, 12 Mar 2026 10:25:39 -0700
Paul Scott <waterhorsemusic@aol.com> wrote:

W [12/Mar/2026:00:57:05 -0700] Printer drivers are deprecated and
will stop working in a future version of CUPS. See https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/103

I went to the link but I don't know enough to know what it means and
more importantly how I can fix printing.

When we deprecate a feature or capability in CUPS, we are
announcing the intention to stop supporting it in the next major
release of CUPS, in this case CUPS 3.0. Given the historical pace
of CUPS development, that usually means you have years to make the
transition. In the case of printer drivers, we made the conscious
choice to have Printer Applications in place before releasing CUPS
3.0. And since Linux distributions typically lag behind the
?bleeding edge? of CUPS development, you can expect to
be able to
use printer drivers for few more years after CUPS 3.0 is released.

https://openprinting.github.io/cups/drivers.html

The current version of CUPS in trixie is 2.4.10-3+deb13u2. In
forky/sid, 2.4.16-1 (subject to change). So this likely won't affect
you for the foreseeable future.

Furthermore, the intent appears to be to replace drivers in CUPS with
what they call printer applications. The existing printer applications
are based on the CUPS drivers they are replacing. So unless you have a
really oddball printer you are probably safe going to CUPS 3.0.

https://openprinting.github.io/cups/drivers.html

Since I have no idea what your current problem is, I can't help you
with it. But I don't think the deprecation of drivers is related to
your problem.

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On Thu 12 Mar 2026 at 12:51:01 (-0700), Paul Scott wrote:

On 3/12/26 10:46 AM, David Wright wrote:

On Thu 12 Mar 2026 at 10:25:39 (-0700), Paul Scott wrote:

When I couldn't print I found this in the cups error_log

W [12/Mar/2026:00:57:05 -0700] Printer drivers are deprecated and will stop working in a future version of CUPS. See https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/103

I went to the link but I don't know enough to know what it means and
more importantly how I can fix printing.

Perhaps take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting#Driverless_Printing
which has links to other Debian pages on the subject.

You said "fix printing", so presumably it worked for you before.
What changed? Have you upgraded, changed printers, etc?
To go further, I think you have to post the usual essentials,
OS version, printer type, what you tried, what happened, etc.
Yes, you got a message, but that looks like the sort of warning
that could be emitted even when the job actually printed. So
on its own, it doesn't tell us a lot.

(HP P1006 (laser))

Initially I had tried to print wirelessly from my laptop. That's when
I first couldn't print.

It was working a few days ago. I switched to Windows on same machine
where the printer is connected and was able to print.

I did some Googlingÿ which reminded me about the cups error log.

I followed the link and didn't understand anything I saw.

Thanks for forwarding your reply ? I'm no expert on printing.

AFAICT this model doesn't have wireless connectivity. The specs:
https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/product-specs/hp-laserjet-p1006-printer/3435682
say Wireless capability No, and a picture of the carton:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/187834783735?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28&google_free_listing_action=view_item
shows only USB.

That said, there is a driver at:
https://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_P1006
which claims to run this printer. The package in trixie is printer-driver-foo2zjs. (I don't run sid.)

Cheers,
David.

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2026 at 4:03?PM Paul Scott <waterhorsemusic@aol.com

wrote:

When I couldn't print I found this in the cups error_log

W [12/Mar/2026:00:57:05 -0700] Printer drivers are deprecated and will
stop working in a future version of CUPS. See https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/103

I went to the link but I don't know enough to know what it means and
more importantly how I can fix printing.

You should probably start by reading about Debain's printing
subsystem. Start in the Debian wiki at
<https://wiki.debian.org/Printing>.

Jeff

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Paul Scott wrote:

On 3/12/26 12:23 PM, Charles Curley wrote:

On Thu, 12 Mar 2026 10:25:39 -0700
Paul Scott <waterhorsemusic@aol.com> wrote:

W [12/Mar/2026:00:57:05 -0700] Printer drivers are deprecated and
will stop working in a future version of CUPS. See
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/103

I went to the link but I don't know enough to know what it means and
more importantly how I can fix printing.

When we deprecate a feature or capability in CUPS, we are
announcing the intention to stop supporting it in the next major
release of CUPS, in this case CUPS 3.0. Given the historical pace
of CUPS development, that usually means you have years to make the
transition. In the case of printer drivers, we made the conscious
choice to have Printer Applications in place before releasing CUPS
3.0. And since Linux distributions typically lag behind the
?bleeding edge? of CUPS development, you can expect to be able to
use printer drivers for few more years after CUPS 3.0 is released.

https://openprinting.github.io/cups/drivers.html

The current version of CUPS in trixie is 2.4.10-3+deb13u2. In
forky/sid, 2.4.16-1 (subject to change). So this likely won't affect
you for the foreseeable future.

Running sid. I upgraded hplip to 3.22.10+dfsg0-? when I saw the problem.

I do have cups 2.4.16-1

Furthermore, the intent appears to be to replace drivers in CUPS with
what they call printer applications. The existing printer applications
are based on the CUPS drivers they are replacing. So unless you have a
really oddball printer you are probably safe going to CUPS 3.0.

https://openprinting.github.io/cups/drivers.html

I don't understand enough of that to diagnose my problem.

Thank you,

Paul

Since I have no idea what your current problem is, I can't help you
with it. But I don't think the deprecation of drivers is related to
your problem.

same here, i happened to be in the middle of taxes and
such when i did the cups update (via Debian testing) and
it stopped working. oops. luckily i did have an existing
stable partition which i was able to use for printing
what i was in the middle of doing.


songbird

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Have you tried getting help from a cli cobot like codex or claude code?
When I have a problem with my system, I simply fire up 1 of them and let it
fix the problem. i would not have done that say 3 months ago but there have been since then massive improvements in those tools.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2026 at 10:26?AM Paul Scott <waterhorsemusic@aol.com> wrote:

When I couldn't print I found this in the cups error_log

W [12/Mar/2026:00:57:05 -0700] Printer drivers are deprecated and will
stop working in a future version of CUPS. See https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/103

I went to the link but I don't know enough to know what it means and
more importantly how I can fix printing.

TIA for any help,

Paul

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tom arnall wrote:

Have you tried getting help from a cli cobot like codex or claude code?
When I have a problem with my system, I simply fire up 1 of them and let it fix the problem. i would not have done that say 3 months ago but there have been since then massive improvements in those tools.

None of those tools are anywhere near as good as they will be
next generation. You should put off all work until then, because
the speedup from doing the work in the future will more than
offset the delays from not getting it done now.

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tom arnall wrote:

No doubt they will be improved. i should say more honestly that that is my hope.

But for all their limitations they vastly improve my power over my system. there is simply no comparison between the current and my previous plight.

Yes, I too have always found that rolling random numbers and
hoping that they don't lie to me is an effective way of running
complex systems.

-dsr-

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On Sat, Mar 14, 2026 at 10:02:48PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

tom arnall wrote:

No doubt they will be improved. i should say more honestly that that is my hope.

But for all their limitations they vastly improve my power over my system. there is simply no comparison between the current and my previous plight.

Yes, I too have always found that rolling random numbers and
hoping that they don't lie to me is an effective way of running
complex systems.

Some Big Corps are starting to do that (and firing people, because
they burnt through too much money pre-ordering GPUs), like Meta et al.
I already set aside some popcorn to watch the fireworks. May they
go down in flames, they are a scourge anyway.
Cheers
--
tom s


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(please don't top post: it confuses the hell out of everyone)

On Sat, Mar 14, 2026, 7:02?PM Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> wrote:

[...]

Yes, I too have always found that rolling random numbers and
hoping that they don't lie to me is an effective way of running
complex systems.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 04:50:50PM -0700, tom arnall wrote:

Rolling random numbers. To what are you referring with this term?

Generative models (and that's what those chatbots and image generators currently being marketed are) basically run a random number generator
to pic between nearly identically probable choices.
Very roughly put, they feed a statistical pattern recognizer with
white noise, and the most probable recognized patterns become its
output.
Then, of course, there is a lot of manual work going into avoiding
problematic behaviour (giving wrong medical advice, illegaly giving
legal advice, yadda, yadda: whatever we, in the "first world" consider
yucky). This work is mostly done in low income places (Nairobi, f. ex.).
Cheers
--
t


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i gave a very similar problem to codex and it saw that in about 10 minutes.
i just told it about the problem and it changed whatever on the system to
make the damn thing work.

On Mon, Mar 16, 2026 at 9:42?PM David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
wrote:

On Sat 14 Mar 2026 at 12:10:49 (-0400), songbird wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:

On 3/12/26 12:23 PM, Charles Curley wrote:

On Thu, 12 Mar 2026 10:25:39 -0700
Paul Scott <waterhorsemusic@aol.com> wrote:

W [12/Mar/2026:00:57:05 -0700] Printer drivers are deprecated and
will stop working in a future version of CUPS. See
https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/103

I went to the link but I don't know enough to know what it means and >>> more importantly how I can fix printing.

When we deprecate a feature or capability in CUPS, we are
announcing the intention to stop supporting it in the next major
release of CUPS, in this case CUPS 3.0. Given the historical pace >> of CUPS development, that usually means you have years to make

the

transition. In the case of printer drivers, we made the conscious >> choice to have Printer Applications in place before releasing

CUPS

3.0. And since Linux distributions typically lag behind the
?bleeding edge? of CUPS development, you can expect to be able to >> use printer drivers for few more years after CUPS 3.0 is

released.

https://openprinting.github.io/cups/drivers.html

The current version of CUPS in trixie is 2.4.10-3+deb13u2. In
forky/sid, 2.4.16-1 (subject to change). So this likely won't affect
you for the foreseeable future.

Running sid. I upgraded hplip to 3.22.10+dfsg0-? when I saw the

problem.

I do have cups 2.4.16-1

Furthermore, the intent appears to be to replace drivers in CUPS with
what they call printer applications. The existing printer applications >> are based on the CUPS drivers they are replacing. So unless you have a >> really oddball printer you are probably safe going to CUPS 3.0.

https://openprinting.github.io/cups/drivers.html

I don't understand enough of that to diagnose my problem.

Since I have no idea what your current problem is, I can't help you
with it. But I don't think the deprecation of drivers is related to
your problem.

same here, i happened to be in the middle of taxes and
such when i did the cups update (via Debian testing) and
it stopped working. oops. luckily i did have an existing
stable partition which i was able to use for printing
what i was in the middle of doing.

So summing up we have the following:

A message /warns/ that in several years time new versions of Cups
won't work with the current generation of printer drivers.

Two openprinting links explain how and why Cups will make that
transition.

The OP runs cups 2.4.16-1, released back in December 2025.

The OP upgraded hplip to 3.22.10+dfsg0-? (presumably
3.22.10+dfsg0-8.1), released back in April 2025.

The OP can't print on an HP P1006 from a certain machine.
We're not told which.

The laptop can't print wirelessly to the printer, which doesn't
appear to be a wireless printer anyway.

Printing worked a few days ago. It's implied from linux, but
but not by which machine and through what connection.

A machine running Windows, presumably connected by USB, can print.

It's not clear what's implied by "same machine". Does it refer back to
the laptop? Or does it refer back to whatever was working a few days
ago? Or does it refer forwards to the machine that's connected to the
printer (ie "same" is redundant)?

Or perhaps it's this scenario: the laptop should be able to print
wirelessly via a router to a server connected to the (shared) printer,
the server machine being able to run either Windows or linux.
(Else why did the laptop try to print wirelessly?)

"Can't print" is the only actual symptom that I see described here,
so perhaps it doesn't really matter what refers to what.

Yes, perhaps AI can see its way through all that.

Cheers,
David.

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tom arnall wrote:

What you described about the use of random numbers by neural networks is incorrect.

All analogies are incorrect. This one is useful.

if you actually want to understand how they work, you might start by

... getting a complete computer science education, including sitting
next to someone inventing recursive neural networks and deciding that
it would need far too many computrons to be worth anything (correct,
in 1995)... or having a career in running large systems, then security,
then in advising people on what not to do.

AI is cocaine. The people who use it love it and want everyone else
to use it, and are completely blind to any negative effect on the
world. ("Sure it causes red eyes and my nose lining is falling out
and the cost is completely unsustainable, but my dealer is giving big
discounts right now!")

Everyone else wants to know why these losers are burning the world,
and could they stop please?

This is now off-topic for Debian, so I'll shut up. Also, plonk.

-dsr-

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On Tue, Mar 17, 2026 at 01:50:53PM -0700, tom arnall wrote:

i forgot to add 1 thing. y = ax + b is the fundamental equation of all
neural network systems [...]

OK thanks, then I don't need to read your blog post.
Cheers
--
t


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