• Comments on #754809

    From Byunghee HWANG (???)@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, February 28, 2026 16:30:02
    Hellow Debian Hackers,
    According to
    <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5863#section-6.5>,
    <quote: RFC 5863>
    Service Providers:
    A service provider can, as described above,
    choose to sign outbound messages with either its own identity or
    an identity unique to each of its clients (possibly delegated).
    However, it can also do both: sign each outbound message with its
    own identity as well as with the identity of each individual
    client. For example, ESP A might sign mail for its client Company
    B with its service provider signature d=espa.example, and a second
    client-specific signature where d= either companyb.example or
    companyb.espa.example. The existence of the service provider
    signature could, for example, help cover a new client while it
    establishes its own reputation, or help a very small volume client
    who might never reach a volume threshold sufficient to establish
    an individual reputation.
    </quote>
    So, i think the BTS system should go in this direction. Replacing the RFC2822.From header for DMARC doesn't seem like a good idea. I don't
    want to directly influence the BTS maintainer. They're incredibly busy
    in real life. I'm worried my comments might be a burden, so i'll just
    vent here on the debian-user forum. Ah, yes, this is off-topic.
    More REFERENCEs: [1], [2], [3]
    [1] https://gitlab.com/soyeomul/Gnus/-/raw/6dc5b9c7addd736a537d51150d459d7dcbd480b5/stuff/rfc5863.eml
    [2] https://gitlab.com/soyeomul/Gnus/-/raw/6dc5b9c7addd736a537d51150d459d7dcbd480b5/stuff/rfc5863.png
    [3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754809

    Sincerely, Byunghee
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  • From Andy Smith@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, February 28, 2026 18:00:01
    Hi,

    On Sun, Mar 01, 2026 at 12:25:58AM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (???) wrote:
    So, i think the BTS system should go in this direction. Replacing the RFC2822.From header for DMARC doesn't seem like a good idea. I don't
    want to directly influence the BTS maintainer. They're incredibly busy
    in real life. I'm worried my comments might be a burden, so i'll just
    vent here on the debian-user forum. Ah, yes, this is off-topic.

    It seems a rather bizarre choice to direct your comment about an almost
    12 year old discussion about the workings of the Debian bug tracker to
    this mailing list, where the people who actually work on the BTS won't
    see it. Almost no one here will care about or understand the issue, so there won't even be a useful debate.

    If you had something constructive to add it would really be best said on
    the bug itself, especially as I see the last comments on that big were
    almost a year ago from one of the BTS developers who seems to be saying
    they are working on rewriting the From address, i.e. not what you want.

    So, what did you want to happen byu posting this here?

    Thanks,
    Andy

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  • From Jeffrey Walton@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, February 28, 2026 19:10:02
    On Sat, Feb 28, 2026 at 12:53?PM Byunghee HWANG (???) <soyeomul@doraji.xyz> wrote:
    Hellow Debian Hackers,

    According to
    <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc5863#section-6.5>,

    <quote: RFC 5863>
    Service Providers:
    A service provider can, as described above,
    choose to sign outbound messages with either its own identity or
    an identity unique to each of its clients (possibly delegated).
    However, it can also do both: sign each outbound message with its
    own identity as well as with the identity of each individual
    client. For example, ESP A might sign mail for its client Company
    B with its service provider signature d=espa.example, and a second
    client-specific signature where d= either companyb.example or
    companyb.espa.example. The existence of the service provider
    signature could, for example, help cover a new client while it
    establishes its own reputation, or help a very small volume client
    who might never reach a volume threshold sufficient to establish
    an individual reputation.
    </quote>

    So, i think the BTS system should go in this direction. Replacing the RFC2822.From header for DMARC doesn't seem like a good idea. I don't
    want to directly influence the BTS maintainer. They're incredibly busy
    in real life. I'm worried my comments might be a burden, so i'll just
    vent here on the debian-user forum. Ah, yes, this is off-topic.

    More REFERENCEs: [1], [2], [3]
    [1] https://gitlab.com/soyeomul/Gnus/-/raw/6dc5b9c7addd736a537d51150d459d7dcbd480b5/stuff/rfc5863.eml
    [2] https://gitlab.com/soyeomul/Gnus/-/raw/6dc5b9c7addd736a537d51150d459d7dcbd480b5/stuff/rfc5863.png
    [3] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754809

    Also see Tolerating Mailing-List Modifications, < https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-chuang-mailing-list-modifications-04.html >.
    Jeff


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  • From Byunghee HWANG (???)@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 01, 2026 07:20:02
    Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> writes:
    (...)
    Also see Tolerating Mailing-List Modifications, <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-chuang-mailing-list-modifications-04.html>.
    Hellow Jeff,
    Thank you so much for providing such a wonderful reference. I'll make
    time to read it carefully sometime. Thank you again!

    Sincerely, Byunghee
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  • From Byunghee HWANG (???)@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 01, 2026 07:40:01
    Hellow Andy,
    Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> writes:
    Hi,

    On Sun, Mar 01, 2026 at 12:25:58AM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (???) wrote:
    So, i think the BTS system should go in this direction. Replacing the
    RFC2822.From header for DMARC doesn't seem like a good idea. I don't
    want to directly influence the BTS maintainer. They're incredibly busy
    in real life. I'm worried my comments might be a burden, so i'll just
    vent here on the debian-user forum. Ah, yes, this is off-topic.

    It seems a rather bizarre choice to direct your comment about an almost
    12 year old discussion about the workings of the Debian bug tracker to
    this mailing list, where the people who actually work on the BTS won't
    see it. Almost no one here will care about or understand the issue, so there won't even be a useful debate.

    If you had something constructive to add it would really be best said on
    the bug itself, especially as I see the last comments on that big were
    almost a year ago from one of the BTS developers who seems to be saying
    they are working on rewriting the From address, i.e. not what you want.
    Thank you for good advice!
    So, what did you want to happen byu posting this here?
    I am an email forwarder (for myself). Forwarders like to receive emails
    as close to their original state as possible, without any changes to the intermediate headers. In particular, manipulating the RFC2822.From
    header was incredibly frustrating. However, i do like additional headers
    added during email transmission, such as DKIM, ARC and X-Forwarded-To.
    And as i said at the beginning, i wrote this on the Debian forum because
    i hoped that my feelings would not be conveyed to the BTS
    maintainers. Anyway, i love the Debian Project. A lot!
    Thanks,
    Andy

    Sincerely, Byunghee
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  • From Andy Smith@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 01, 2026 23:20:01
    Hi,

    On Sun, Mar 01, 2026 at 03:29:49PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (???) wrote:
    Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> writes:
    So, what did you want to happen byu posting this here?

    I am an email forwarder (for myself). Forwarders like to receive emails
    as close to their original state as possible, without any changes to the intermediate headers. In particular, manipulating the RFC2822.From
    header was incredibly frustrating. However, i do like additional headers added during email transmission, such as DKIM, ARC and X-Forwarded-To.

    And as i said at the beginning, i wrote this on the Debian forum because
    i hoped that my feelings would not be conveyed to the BTS
    maintainers. Anyway, i love the Debian Project. A lot!

    Okay so you disagree with what one of the BTS developers wants to do but
    you like them and Debian so much that instead of trying to change their
    mind you're just going to tell us about your feelings somewhere where
    they won't see it. There was no goal other than telling us about your
    feelings.

    All right then. Were you wanting any comments on your argument or did
    you just want it put out there into the world?

    Thanks,
    Andy

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  • From Byunghee HWANG (???)@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 02, 2026 02:00:01
    Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> writes:
    Hi,

    On Sun, Mar 01, 2026 at 03:29:49PM +0900, Byunghee HWANG (???) wrote:
    Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> writes:
    So, what did you want to happen byu posting this here?

    I am an email forwarder (for myself). Forwarders like to receive emails
    as close to their original state as possible, without any changes to the
    intermediate headers. In particular, manipulating the RFC2822.From
    header was incredibly frustrating. However, i do like additional headers
    added during email transmission, such as DKIM, ARC and X-Forwarded-To.

    And as i said at the beginning, i wrote this on the Debian forum because
    i hoped that my feelings would not be conveyed to the BTS
    maintainers. Anyway, i love the Debian Project. A lot!

    Okay so you disagree with what one of the BTS developers wants to do but
    you like them and Debian so much that instead of trying to change their
    mind you're just going to tell us about your feelings somewhere where
    they won't see it. There was no goal other than telling us about your feelings.

    All right then. Were you wanting any comments on your argument or did
    you just want it put out there into the world?

    Thanks,
    Hellow Andy, everything's fine now. Thank you for reading my email!

    Sincerely, Byunghee
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  • From Bigsy Bohr@3:633/10 to All on Monday, March 02, 2026 18:50:01
    On 2026-03-01, Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> wrote:

    Okay so you disagree with what one of the BTS developers wants to do but
    you like them and Debian so much that instead of trying to change their
    mind you're just going to tell us about your feelings somewhere where
    they won't see it. There was no goal other than telling us about your feelings.

    All right then. Were you wanting any comments on your argument or did
    you just want it put out there into the world?

    I don't think you're going to get an argument out of the OP.

    Thanks,
    Andy


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