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  • Re: FWIW IMO Useful trouble shooting hints via AI

    From Bigsy Bohr@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 06, 2026 18:40:01
    On 2025-12-13, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:


    This post itself reads to me a bit like AI slop. Self-referential?


    It has nothing to do with Debian and was obviously not constructed by an
    LLM; why are you replying to it?

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From tomas@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 07, 2026 09:00:02
    On Tue, Jan 06, 2026 at 05:36:06PM -0000, Bigsy Bohr wrote:
    On 2025-12-13, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:


    This post itself reads to me a bit like AI slop. Self-referential?


    It has nothing to do with Debian and was obviously not constructed by an
    LLM; why are you replying to it?
    I don't know whether your question is rhetorical or genuine, but I'll
    answer as if it were the latter (sorry if I missed it): my reply was
    a question to the list, in the hopes to learn a bit.
    Therefore, I'm really, really interested: why do you think the post
    "was obviously not constructed by an LLM"?
    If I were a harvester for LLM, I'd long ago made some thing posting
    questions to mailing lists and trying to interact. Much more valuable,
    IMO, than "just" vacuuming the internet. I could experiment with
    feedback, e.g. which kind of questions elicit more reactions (aka
    trolling), I could keep a rough list of unanswered questions posed
    to "AI"s and ask them on lists... lots of questions.
    As "AI harvesting" as we know it today is just yet another instance of capitalistic robbery, I'd be totally surprised if they hadn't yet
    "discovered" this valuable "resource" and weren't already at work
    strip-mining it.
    Cheers
    --
    t


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Anders Andersson@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 07, 2026 13:40:01
    Subject: Re: AI slop or not? [was: FWIW IMO Useful trouble shooting hints via AI]

    On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 8:53?AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

    On Tue, Jan 06, 2026 at 05:36:06PM -0000, Bigsy Bohr wrote:
    On 2025-12-13, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:


    This post itself reads to me a bit like AI slop. Self-referential?


    It has nothing to do with Debian and was obviously not constructed by a
    n
    LLM; why are you replying to it?

    I don't know whether your question is rhetorical or genuine, but I'll
    answer as if it were the latter (sorry if I missed it): my reply was
    a question to the list, in the hopes to learn a bit.

    Therefore, I'm really, really interested: why do you think the post
    "was obviously not constructed by an LLM"?

    If I were a harvester for LLM, I'd long ago made some thing posting
    questions to mailing lists and trying to interact.

    Ahh, that explains why you tend to reply to every topic on this mailinglist
    .

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From tomas@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 07, 2026 14:00:02
    Subject: Re: AI slop or not? [was: FWIW IMO Useful trouble shooting hints via AI]

    On Wed, Jan 07, 2026 at 01:30:52PM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote:
    On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 8:53?AM <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:
    [...]
    If I were a harvester for LLM, I'd long ago made some thing posting questions to mailing lists and trying to interact.

    Ahh, that explains why you tend to reply to every topic on this mailinglist.
    C'mon. I'm barely naturally intelligent.
    As an "AI" (a marketing term, that's why I always put it in
    quotes) I'd probably not pass the marks. They wouldn't allow
    me to leave the lab. Perhaps even they'd rescheduled GPUs and
    storage to something more useful long time ago.
    Cheers
    --
    t


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bigsy Bohr@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 07, 2026 14:40:01
    Subject: Re: AI slop or not? [was: FWIW IMO Useful trouble shooting hints via AI]

    On 2026-01-07, <tomas@tuxteam.de> <tomas@tuxteam.de> wrote:

    This post itself reads to me a bit like AI slop. Self-referential?


    It has nothing to do with Debian and was obviously not constructed by an
    LLM; why are you replying to it?

    I don't know whether your question is rhetorical or genuine, but I'll
    answer as if it were the latter (sorry if I missed it): my reply was
    a question to the list, in the hopes to learn a bit.

    A question to the list? I didn't see it that way.

    Therefore, I'm really, really interested: why do you think the post
    "was obviously not constructed by an LLM"?

    I'm familiar with a couple and they seem more articulate than the OP.

    If I were a harvester for LLM, I'd long ago made some thing posting
    questions to mailing lists and trying to interact. Much more valuable,
    IMO, than "just" vacuuming the internet. I could experiment with
    feedback, e.g. which kind of questions elicit more reactions (aka
    trolling), I could keep a rough list of unanswered questions posed
    to "AI"s and ask them on lists... lots of questions.

    Then you're saying that the robot here is being deliberately deceitful
    by hiding its mastery of "the" language (it speaks dozens). I hadn't
    thought of that.

    As "AI harvesting" as we know it today is just yet another instance of capitalistic robbery, I'd be totally surprised if they hadn't yet "discovered" this valuable "resource" and weren't already at work strip-mining it.


    Some opinions should probably be kept to yourself on the Debian mailing
    list. You've knitted a whole conspiracy theory out of one clumsy OP.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.2
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)