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  • Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages

    From Tristan Wibberley@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, October 18, 2025 00:34:45
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    On 27/08/2024 23:56, Johanne Fairchild wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:

    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 03:15:16 -0000 (UTC), Sebastian wrote:

    In comp.unix.programmer Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    (And I have no idea about this ?Black? thing. I just do my thing.)

    Black is a [bla bla bla]

    *Yawn*

    The guy was kindly and politely sharing information with you.

    He was sharing the information with _us_, and we're much more important.

    Lawrence was trying to make him feel like we shouldn't receive it or not receive it in context!

    Although there might be some value in the latter because if we killfile
    trolls and their followup chains we'll only receive the useful
    information if it's not given as a followup.

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  • From Keith Thompson@3:633/10 to All on Friday, October 17, 2025 17:13:04
    Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> writes:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
    On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 03:15:16 -0000 (UTC), Sebastian wrote:
    In comp.unix.programmer Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    (And I have no idea about this ?Black? thing. I just do my thing.)

    Black is a [bla bla bla]

    *Yawn*

    The guy was kindly and politely sharing information with you.

    For the sake of accuracy, here's what Sebastian wrote (more than a year
    ago):

    Black is a Python program that formats Python code
    almost exactly the way you formatted that snippet of Lisp
    code. It's just as ugly in Python as it is in Lisp. Black
    spreads by convincing organizations to mandate its use. It's
    utterly non-configurable on purpose, in order to guarantee
    that eventually, all Python code is made to be as ugly
    and unreadable as possible.

    This is more exaggerated opinion than information. Of course there's
    nothing wrong with that sharing an opinion, but there's also nothing
    wrong with responding to an inflammatory opinion with a yawn.

    Here's what the "black" man page says:

    NAME
    black - uncompromising Python code formatter

    SUMMARY
    black is the uncompromising Python code formatter. By using it,
    you agree to cede control over minutiae of hand-formatting. In
    return, Black gives you speed, determinism, and freedom from
    pycodestyle nagging about formatting. You will save time and
    mental energy for more important matters.

    --
    Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com
    void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */

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