On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted in
the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at all (given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have adhered
to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

"This work may be freely redistributed under such and such conditions"
and "all rights reserved" are conflicting statements, since the author
has waived (thus not reserved) the distribution right (to be the sole redistributor).

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On 2025-10-18, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted in
the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at all
(given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have adhered
to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

That is precisely the problem, it does not imply that, the author may
not have waived any rights, but their rights are still not absolute in a
way that it cannot be copied or redistributed without their
approval. Several countries limit the extent of the limitations imposed
by copyright. "All rights reserved" is misleading precisely because it
may be understood as "no copying or redistribution allowed".

"This work may be freely redistributed under such and such conditions"
and "all rights reserved" are conflicting statements, since the author
has waived (thus not reserved) the distribution right (to be the sole redistributor).

--
Nuno Silva

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On Sun, 19 Oct 2025 11:30:05 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted in >>>> the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at all
(given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have adhered
to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

That is precisely the problem, it does not imply that, the author may
not have waived any rights, but their rights are still not absolute in a
way that it cannot be copied or redistributed without their
approval. Several countries limit the extent of the limitations imposed
by copyright. "All rights reserved" is misleading precisely because it
may be understood as "no copying or redistribution allowed".

Copyright law varies by country, though international agreements may
limit some types of variation.

For example, as found at https://www.uspto.gov/ip-policy/copyright-policy/copyright-basics

U.S. copyright law contains numerous exceptions and limitations to the exclusive rights of copyright owners, including in the following areas:

Library and archival copying
Educational and nonprofit broadcasting for purposes of distance learning Nonprofit live performances and displays
Reproductions for visually impaired persons
Making copies of computer programs for archival and/or maintenance
purposes
In addition, section 107 of the Copyright Act codifies the doctrine of
fair use,...an illustrative list of types of uses that generally
are considered appropriate for a finding of fair use. These include
uses for purposes of criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching,
scholarship and research.
In determining whether a particular use is a fair use, section 107
specifies four factors that courts must consider:
(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such
use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation
to the copyrighted work as a whole;
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or
value of the copyrighted work.

Note that teaching, comment, criticism and news reporting
are generally considered fair use...


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expects users to be computer friendly.

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Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted
in the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at
all (given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have
adhered to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

"This work may be freely redistributed under such and such conditions"
and "all rights reserved" are conflicting statements, since the author
has waived (thus not reserved) the distribution right (to be the sole redistributor).

In my young, fatuous days, i vandalized a few softwares to say
"All rights reversed". ;)

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On 2025-10-21, Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:

Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> wrote:

On 2025-10-18, Tristan Wibberley wrote:

The message body is Copyright (C) 2025 Tristan Wibberley except
citations and quotations noted. All Rights Reserved except as noted
in the sig.

Eh, do drop the quite inaccurate and nowadays even not necessary at
all (given that all signataries to the Buenos Aires convention have
adhered to the Berne convention) "All Rights Reserved" ...

"All Rights Reserved" means that the author has not waived any
copyrights; the work may not be copied or redistributed other than by
the copyright holder.

"This work may be freely redistributed under such and such conditions"
and "all rights reserved" are conflicting statements, since the author
has waived (thus not reserved) the distribution right (to be the sole redistributor).

In my young, fatuous days, i vandalized a few softwares to say
"All rights reversed". ;)

A rather toned down departure from the usual, "all riots preserved".

Also, remember that "vile haters will be prostituted".

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Cygnal: Cygwin Native Application Library: http://kylheku.com/cygnal
Mastodon: @Kazinator@mstdn.ca

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On 21.10.2025 23:58, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-21, Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:

[...]
"All rights reversed". ;)

A rather toned down departure from the usual, "all riots preserved".

Also, remember that "vile haters will be prostituted".

Those all sound very funny. - Is there some collection or compilation
of such sayings available somewhere?

Janis


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On 2025-10-22, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 21.10.2025 23:58, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-21, Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:

[...]
"All rights reversed". ;)

A rather toned down departure from the usual, "all riots preserved".

Also, remember that "vile haters will be prostituted".

Those all sound very funny. - Is there some collection or compilation
of such sayings available somewhere?

Possibly a topic for alt.folklore.computers?

--
Nuno Silva

Copyleft (?) MMXXV All Wrongs Reversed

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On 23.10.2025 00:13, Nuno Silva wrote:

On 2025-10-22, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

On 21.10.2025 23:58, Kaz Kylheku wrote:

On 2025-10-21, Brian Patrie <bpatrie@bellsouth.spamisicky.net> wrote:

[...]
"All rights reversed". ;)

A rather toned down departure from the usual, "all riots preserved".

Also, remember that "vile haters will be prostituted".

Those all sound very funny. - Is there some collection or compilation
of such sayings available somewhere?

Possibly a topic for alt.folklore.computers?

Good hint, thanks. - I'll see whether there's folks around there...

[ followup-to: alt.folklore.computers set ]

Janis


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