• Re: Musing on why Apple products don't work in the real world

    From Alan@3:633/10 to All on Friday, March 13, 2026 16:23:27
    On 2026-03-13 14:53, Maria Sophia wrote:
    On the Windows newsgroup was a discussion about Apple today, to which
    I responded with the following philosophical understanding of Apple...
    From: Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
    Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10
    Subject: Apple's newer image formats
    Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 20:02:51 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <slrn10r8rbb.8t31.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>

    I have studied Apple for years and I am a frequent poster to some of the Apple newsgroups, where I have noticed that almost everything that Apple
    does is for a different reason than what Apple "says" is why it does it.

    Apple marketing is brilliant, so let's not be mislead by what is arguably
    the finest mistruth-propagation propaganda dissemination engine ever.

    The only way to understand why Apple does what Apple does, is to look
    askance at what Apple says is why it does it, but look at what the effect
    on the typical Apple user is in terms of interoperability OUTSIDE of the prison ecosystem that Apple purposefully creates to keep people inside.

    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits.

    But this is all bullshit based on the fact that Apple adopted better
    image formats than were commonly in use...

    ...MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS AGO.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Tom Elam@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 14, 2026 13:05:45
    On 3/13/26 5:53 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
    On the Windows newsgroup was a discussion about Apple today, to which
    I responded with the following philosophical understanding of Apple...
    From: Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
    Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10
    Subject: Apple's newer image formats
    Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 20:02:51 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <slrn10r8rbb.8t31.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>

    I have studied Apple for years and I am a frequent poster to some of the Apple newsgroups, where I have noticed that almost everything that Apple
    does is for a different reason than what Apple "says" is why it does it.

    Apple marketing is brilliant, so let's not be mislead by what is arguably
    the finest mistruth-propagation propaganda dissemination engine ever.

    The only way to understand why Apple does what Apple does, is to look
    askance at what Apple says is why it does it, but look at what the effect
    on the typical Apple user is in terms of interoperability OUTSIDE of the prison ecosystem that Apple purposefully creates to keep people inside.

    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits.

    That is crazy wrong. My new Mac Air is chocked full of Windows-based
    software. There is only one app that I use that is not available on this
    Mac, and if I was desperate enough I could get Parallels and put that on
    here. After 35 years as a devoted Windows fan I have found a better
    platform.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Jolly Roger@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 14, 2026 21:07:54
    On 2026-03-13, Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote:
    On the Windows newsgroup was a discussion about Apple today, to which
    I responded with the following philosophical understanding of Apple...
    From: Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
    Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10
    Subject: Apple's newer image formats
    Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 20:02:51 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <slrn10r8rbb.8t31.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>

    I have studied Apple for years and I am a frequent poster to some of the Apple newsgroups, where I have noticed that almost everything that Apple does is for a different reason than what Apple "says" is why it does it.

    Apple marketing is brilliant, so let's not be mislead by what is arguably the finest mistruth-propagation propaganda dissemination engine ever.

    The only way to understand why Apple does what Apple does, is to look askance at what Apple says is why it does it, but look at what the effect
    on the typical Apple user is in terms of interoperability OUTSIDE of the prison ecosystem that Apple purposefully creates to keep people inside.

    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits.

    This is more a reflection of you then anyone else, bitter old fart.

    --
    E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Your Name@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, March 15, 2026 10:21:02
    On 2026-03-14 17:05:45 +0000, Tom Elam said:
    On 3/13/26 5:53 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
    On the Windows newsgroup was a discussion about Apple today, to which
    I responded with the following philosophical understanding of Apple...
    From: Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
    Newsgroups:
    comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10
    Subject: Apple's newer image formats
    Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 20:02:51 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <slrn10r8rbb.8t31.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>

    I have studied Apple for years and I am a frequent poster to some of the
    Apple newsgroups, where I have noticed that almost everything that Apple
    does is for a different reason than what Apple "says" is why it does it.

    Apple marketing is brilliant, so let's not be mislead by what is arguably
    the finest mistruth-propagation propaganda dissemination engine ever.

    The only way to understand why Apple does what Apple does, is to look
    askance at what Apple says is why it does it, but look at what the effect
    on the typical Apple user is in terms of interoperability OUTSIDE of the
    prison ecosystem that Apple purposefully creates to keep people inside.

    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to
    interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits.

    That is crazy wrong. My new Mac Air is chocked full of Windows-based software. There is only one app that I use that is not available on
    this Mac, and if I was desperate enough I could get Parallels and put
    that on here. After 35 years as a devoted Windows fan I have found a
    better platform.

    Please just ignore Maria / Marian / Arlen (and numerous other names the
    fool uses). That troll is well established as a know-nothing anti-Apple
    moron who has less than zero clue about anything it posts. :-\




    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Chris@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 14, 2026 22:05:43
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2026-03-13 14:53, Maria Sophia wrote:
    On the Windows newsgroup was a discussion about Apple today, to which
    I responded with the following philosophical understanding of Apple...
    From: Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
    Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10
    Subject: Apple's newer image formats
    Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 20:02:51 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <slrn10r8rbb.8t31.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>

    I have studied Apple for years and I am a frequent poster to some of the
    Apple newsgroups, where I have noticed that almost everything that Apple
    does is for a different reason than what Apple "says" is why it does it.

    Apple marketing is brilliant, so let's not be mislead by what is arguably
    the finest mistruth-propagation propaganda dissemination engine ever.

    The only way to understand why Apple does what Apple does, is to look
    askance at what Apple says is why it does it, but look at what the effect
    on the typical Apple user is in terms of interoperability OUTSIDE of the
    prison ecosystem that Apple purposefully creates to keep people inside.

    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to
    interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits.

    But this is all bullshit based on the fact that Apple adopted better
    image formats than were commonly in use...

    ...MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS AGO.

    These are also international standards introduced by a consortium and are
    open for anyone to adopt.

    The fact that Windows doesn't support them natively is simply a choice microsoft made.





    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Alan@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 14, 2026 15:44:15
    On 2026-03-14 15:05, Chris wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2026-03-13 14:53, Maria Sophia wrote:
    On the Windows newsgroup was a discussion about Apple today, to which
    I responded with the following philosophical understanding of Apple...
    From: Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
    Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10
    Subject: Apple's newer image formats
    Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 20:02:51 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <slrn10r8rbb.8t31.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>

    I have studied Apple for years and I am a frequent poster to some of the >>> Apple newsgroups, where I have noticed that almost everything that Apple >>> does is for a different reason than what Apple "says" is why it does it. >>>
    Apple marketing is brilliant, so let's not be mislead by what is arguably >>> the finest mistruth-propagation propaganda dissemination engine ever.

    The only way to understand why Apple does what Apple does, is to look
    askance at what Apple says is why it does it, but look at what the effect >>> on the typical Apple user is in terms of interoperability OUTSIDE of the >>> prison ecosystem that Apple purposefully creates to keep people inside.

    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to
    interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits.

    But this is all bullshit based on the fact that Apple adopted better
    image formats than were commonly in use...

    ...MORE THAN EIGHT YEARS AGO.

    These are also international standards introduced by a consortium and are open for anyone to adopt.

    The fact that Windows doesn't support them natively is simply a choice microsoft made.





    Bingo!

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Nick Charles@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, March 14, 2026 23:57:37
    Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2026-03-14 17:05:45 +0000, Tom Elam said:
    On 3/13/26 5:53 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
    On the Windows newsgroup was a discussion about Apple today, to which
    I responded with the following philosophical understanding of Apple...
    From: Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com>
    Newsgroups:
    comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.comp.os.windows-10
    Subject: Apple's newer image formats
    Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 20:02:51 -0000 (UTC)
    Message-ID: <slrn10r8rbb.8t31.lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com>

    I have studied Apple for years and I am a frequent poster to some of the >>> Apple newsgroups, where I have noticed that almost everything that Apple >>> does is for a different reason than what Apple "says" is why it does it. >>>
    Apple marketing is brilliant, so let's not be mislead by what is arguably >>> the finest mistruth-propagation propaganda dissemination engine ever.

    The only way to understand why Apple does what Apple does, is to look
    askance at what Apple says is why it does it, but look at what the effect >>> on the typical Apple user is in terms of interoperability OUTSIDE of the >>> prison ecosystem that Apple purposefully creates to keep people inside.

    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to
    interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits.

    That is crazy wrong. My new Mac Air is chocked full of Windows-based
    software. There is only one app that I use that is not available on
    this Mac, and if I was desperate enough I could get Parallels and put
    that on here. After 35 years as a devoted Windows fan I have found a
    better platform.

    Please just ignore Maria / Marian / Arlen (and numerous other names the
    fool uses). That troll is well established as a know-nothing anti-Apple moron who has less than zero clue about anything it posts. :-\

    Indeed. He did not even know what the iOS built-in music app was called
    AND he did not know that it has the ?magical? ability to play music with
    the screen off.

    And he passes himself off as an ?iOS expert??!?!

    Pathetic.


    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Tom Elam@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 10:29:18
    On 3/14/26 2:01 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:
    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to
    interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits.

    That is crazy wrong. My new Mac Air is chocked full of Windows-based
    software. There is only one app that I use that is not available on this
    Mac, and if I was desperate enough I could get Parallels and put that on
    here. After 35 years as a devoted Windows fan I have found a better
    platform.

    You bring up a great point in that macOS is NOT a prison ecosystem.
    Since macOS has always been the "grown-up" Apple OS:
    a. You can install whatever software you want.
    b. You can run Windows apps through virtualization.
    c. Filesystem access is normal and predictable.
    d. Developers can distribute apps outside the App Store .
    e. You can compile Linux tools, run Docker, use Homebrew,
    SSH into anything, etc.
    f. Hell, you can even add a firewall, torrent & the real Tor browser
    None of which the iOS prison ecosystem can do.

    But iOS?
    iOS is clearly designed to be a prison ecosystem.

    Apple claims they put us in the iOS prison ecosystem "for our safety".
    And yet, there is no safety.

    Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
    Subject: What are the merits of the claim that iOS is "way more secure"?
    Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 12:15:53 -0700
    Message-ID: <10ic5d9$2mvn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

    Hmmm... maybe Apple had a different reason for the iOS prison after all?
    HINT: control === revenue

    More crazy BS. On my iOS devices I run:

    Google Maps, not Apple

    Outlook, not Mail

    Office 365, not Apple's apps

    Roku, not Apple TV

    Google Photos and Drive

    YouTube Music, not Apple

    OneCalendar

    Kindle, not Books

    and more. Many of these generate no Apple revenue.





    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From badgolferman@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 11:47:59
    On 03/17/2026 10:29, Tom Elam wrote:
    On 3/14/26 2:01 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:
    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to
    interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits.

    That is crazy wrong. My new Mac Air is chocked full of Windows-based
    software. There is only one app that I use that is not available on this >>> Mac, and if I was desperate enough I could get Parallels and put that on >>> here. After 35 years as a devoted Windows fan I have found a better
    platform.

    You bring up a great point in that macOS is NOT a prison ecosystem.
    Since macOS has always been the "grown-up" Apple OS:
    ˙ a. You can install whatever software you want.
    ˙ b. You can run Windows apps through virtualization.
    ˙ c. Filesystem access is normal and predictable.
    ˙ d. Developers can distribute apps outside the App Store˙˙˙ .
    ˙ e. You can compile Linux tools, run Docker, use Homebrew,
    ˙˙˙˙ SSH into anything, etc.
    ˙ f. Hell, you can even add a firewall, torrent & the real Tor browser
    ˙˙˙˙ None of which the iOS prison ecosystem can do.

    But iOS?
    iOS is clearly designed to be a prison ecosystem.

    Apple claims they put us in the iOS prison ecosystem "for our safety".
    And yet, there is no safety.

    ˙ Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
    ˙ Subject: What are the merits of the claim that iOS is "way more
    secure"?
    ˙ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 12:15:53 -0700
    ˙ Message-ID: <10ic5d9$2mvn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

    Hmmm... maybe Apple had a different reason for the iOS prison after all?
    ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ HINT: control === revenue

    More crazy BS. On my iOS devices I run:

    Google Maps, not Apple

    Outlook, not Mail

    Office 365, not Apple's apps

    Roku, not Apple TV

    Google Photos and Drive

    YouTube Music, not Apple

    OneCalendar

    Kindle, not Books

    and more. Many of these generate no Apple revenue.





    Surely the mere fact you downloaded them from the App Store generated
    revenue for Apple.



    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Alan@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, March 17, 2026 10:47:25
    On 2026-03-17 08:47, badgolferman wrote:
    On 03/17/2026 10:29, Tom Elam wrote:
    On 3/14/26 2:01 PM, Maria Sophia wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:
    The more Apple can make life miserable for Apple owners who want to
    interoperate with other platforms, the better it is for Apple profits. >>>>
    That is crazy wrong. My new Mac Air is chocked full of Windows-based
    software. There is only one app that I use that is not available on this >>>> Mac, and if I was desperate enough I could get Parallels and put that on >>>> here. After 35 years as a devoted Windows fan I have found a better
    platform.

    You bring up a great point in that macOS is NOT a prison ecosystem.
    Since macOS has always been the "grown-up" Apple OS:
    ˙ a. You can install whatever software you want.
    ˙ b. You can run Windows apps through virtualization.
    ˙ c. Filesystem access is normal and predictable.
    ˙ d. Developers can distribute apps outside the App Store˙˙˙ .
    ˙ e. You can compile Linux tools, run Docker, use Homebrew,
    ˙˙˙˙ SSH into anything, etc.
    ˙ f. Hell, you can even add a firewall, torrent & the real Tor browser
    ˙˙˙˙ None of which the iOS prison ecosystem can do.

    But iOS?
    iOS is clearly designed to be a prison ecosystem.

    Apple claims they put us in the iOS prison ecosystem "for our safety".
    And yet, there is no safety.

    ˙ Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
    ˙ Subject: What are the merits of the claim that iOS is "way more
    secure"?
    ˙ Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2025 12:15:53 -0700
    ˙ Message-ID: <10ic5d9$2mvn$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>

    Hmmm... maybe Apple had a different reason for the iOS prison after all? >>> ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ HINT: control === revenue

    More crazy BS. On my iOS devices I run:

    Google Maps, not Apple

    Outlook, not Mail

    Office 365, not Apple's apps

    Roku, not Apple TV

    Google Photos and Drive

    YouTube Music, not Apple

    OneCalendar

    Kindle, not Books

    and more. Many of these generate no Apple revenue.





    Surely the mere fact you downloaded them from the App Store generated
    revenue for Apple.



    Not if you downloaded them...

    (now get this!)

    ...for FREE!

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.13
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)