• An article about Oblivion Remastered vs Skyrim

    From Dimensional Traveler@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, January 27, 2026 21:31:13
    There was some discussion about Oblivion Remastered here. I just came
    across an article about it and thought I'd share.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oblivion-remastered-ruined-me-for-skyrim-and-maybe-elder-scrolls-future/ar-AA1Uoki6?ocid=winpstoreapp&cvid=69799a41d2dc46aaa387c066bd928290&ei=132

    "When I first fired up The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Remastered, I
    didn't expect to get sucked in. I'd never played the original 2006
    version, and while all the chatter surrounding the remaster piqued my interest, I didn't see That One Game With The Horrifying NPC Faces
    becoming a favorite of mine. It was just something on Game Pass I
    thought I?d try. I certainly didn't expect it to challenge the great and mighty Skyrim in a battle for my heart.

    Yet here I am, trapped in a Twilight-esque love triangle with two
    fantasy RPGs. Am I team Skyrim, or team Oblivion? After 55 hours spent
    in Cyrodiil, the truth of where my allegiance lies is becoming
    undeniably clear: Oblivion Remastered has ruined me for Skyrim.

    I wasn't concerned with any of this when I took my first steps in
    Cyrodiil. Yes, the game looked nice, the voice acting was great, and
    (most of) the NPC faces were far less cursed-looking than I'd expected.
    The character creator even allowed me to build a Dunmer who looked intimidating instead of downright horrifying. But, I assumed, there was
    no way Oblivion would ever measure up to Skyrim. After all, how could it
    even compare? I have a wife and children in Skyrim. I own multiple
    homesteads. I'm the freaking Dohvakiin, man. I talk to (and slay)
    dragons! The Hero of Kvatch could never. Right?

    Well, it's complicated.

    I'll let you in on a little secret: I've never actually finished
    Skyrim's main quest. Every year ? usually around the winter holidays or
    the lazy days of summer ? I fire up the game and tell myself, "This is
    it. This time, you're going to finish the main quest." But time after
    time, I find myself distracted (and often, overwhelmed) by the
    neverending onslaught of dragon attacks, radiant quests, and the titanic
    size of the game's utterly enormous map.

    To me, Oblivion's best quality is its size. Sure, I love me a good RPG
    with a ginormous map and seemingly endless activities to take part in.
    But size matters when it comes to game design, and not in the way some
    people might expect. Starfield is a perfect example of why bigger does
    not necessarily mean better. I'd rather a game leave me itching for more
    than leave me burned out and ready to throw in the towel. As I've worked
    my way through the main quest, Cyrodiil has become a world I look
    forward to returning to, while Skyrim has become a place I have to drag
    myself back into. I rarely finish a Skyrim gameplay session feeling
    satisfied, but every hour I spend in Cyrodiil leaves me wanting more.

    Skyrim catches the player's attention right out of the gate with an
    excellent narrative hook (you're scheduled for execution) and an equally excellent "Holy crap" moment to follow that hook (said execution is interrupted by a dragon). But Oblivion starts things off a bit more
    subtly: You just so happen to be occupying a cell connected to a secret passage that Emperor Uriel Septim VII is using to escape an
    assassination plot. Your cell is unlocked, the Emperor and his security
    detail wander through the secret passage, and nobody seems to actually
    care whether you come with or stay behind. It's enough to make you feel
    like an NPC. The entire experience contrasts heavily with Skyrim's
    opening, which sees various NPCs effectively hold the player's hand
    until they're safely out of Helgen, after which just about everyone
    starts falling all over themselves to compliment the glorious Dragonborn.

    Oblivion's first big "Holy crap" moment is, arguably, the player's first encounter with the Oblivion Gate in Kvatch, but my personal "Holy crap"
    moment occurred the second I exited the Imperial City's sewer system and
    laid eyes on Cyrodiil's overworld for the first time. My jaw dropped.
    The environment wasn't just pretty, it was utterly breathtaking. The
    night sky was dotted with stars, and aurora borealis shimmered around
    them. Various harvestable alchemy ingredients sprouted from the ground
    beneath my feet, and a curious Ayleid ruin called Vilverin stood in
    front of me, its bright blue door beckoning me forth. A strange,
    orange-red portal loomed in the distance. Color me impressed, literally.
    I hadn't expected Cyrodiil to be so beautiful, especially at night.

    Now, don't get me wrong ? Skyrim absolutely has its moments of
    environmental beauty, and I am certainly not suggesting that Bethesda
    should re-re-re-remaster the game to make it prettier. But over the
    years, I've noticed a distinct lack of color in many of Bethesda's
    games. Every title seems to be set in a world that's a desaturated,
    heavily color-graded shade of Bethesda Beige? (Fallout), Bethesda Blue? (Starfield), or Bethesda Brown With Some Snow? (Skyrim). Of course, not
    every game needs a heavily saturated, rainbow environment. It makes
    perfect sense for Fallout's nuclear wasteland to be desolate and
    sepia-toned, for example. But I've always found the studio's aversion to
    color a bit perplexing when it comes to sci-fi titles like Starfield and fantasy franchises like The Elder Scrolls. By the time I bought my
    adorable home in the gorgeous city of Cheydinhal, Cyrodiil's beauty had
    me aching for a more colorful version of Skyrim.

    But there are plenty of mods out there to give Skyrim a dose of color,
    and pretty environments do not necessarily make a good game. What about gameplay? Clearly, Skyrim would be the winner on that front.

    Or so I thought.

    Skyrim has undeniably fantastic gameplay, as evidenced by the fact that
    it's still immensely popular 14 years after its initial launch. But
    frankly, I'm having way more fun with Oblivion than I ever had with
    Skyrim. Sure, I miss fighting dragons. I do not, however, miss my horse constantly dying because it decided to "help" me fight said dragons.
    Yes, I occasionally get the urge to Fus-Ro-Dah all of the painstakingly
    placed plates and food items off of every dining table I encounter in Oblivion. But beyond Dragon Shout-based mischief, I can't say I really
    miss Skyrim's gameplay all that much. On paper, Oblivion doesn't have
    nearly as many things to do in-game as Skyrim does, but honestly, I
    think that's a good thing. I don't miss tedious tasks like smithing, I
    don't miss collecting loads of supplies to upgrade my homesteads, and as
    fun as cooking can be in Skyrim, I much prefer the way Oblivion does it. Having cooking and alchemy effectively be the same skill in Oblivion
    makes sense, and saves time.

    Oblivion isn't perfect, of course. Lockpicking is a nightmare (though it
    can easily be avoided via certain spells or a special Daedric artifact).
    The persuasion mini-game drove me nuts at first, but now that I've
    gotten the hang of it, I find it a lot more interesting than the
    standard RPG skill-check that locks you out of dialogue options with no recourse if you haven't leveled up your social stats enough. I certainly
    like it better than Starfield's bizarre take on persuasion checks.

    But what really caught me by surprise about Oblivion Remastered is the
    fact that ? when it comes to gameplay mechanics that both titles share ? Oblivion does so many things better than Skyrim. Yes, I can swim in
    Skyrim, but it's not especially fun, easy, or rewarding. The controls
    are clunky, and I rarely find much of interest floating in Skyrim's
    waterways. Meanwhile I frequently find myself casting Starlight before
    diving headfirst into any and every body of water I can find in
    Cyrodiil, because not only is swimming fun in Oblivion, it's also
    rewarding. Hidden chests, special alchemy ingredients, even loose
    magical jewelry can be found in the bottom of Cyrodiil's lakes, streams,
    and rivers.

    Another area in which Oblivion beats Skyrimat its own game is,
    surprisingly, combat. I'd say that the first-person combat experience is fairly similar in both games, but third-person combat is an entirely
    different story. Sure, Skyrim will let you play in third-person, but god
    help you if you want to engage in combat. It's doable, but it isn't
    enjoyable. Meanwhile, I find myself frequently switching to third-person
    mode in Oblivion, even for combat encounters. The controls are smooth
    and seamless, whether you're flinging fireballs, swinging a sword, or
    aiming an arrow at your foes.

    When it comes to Oblivion-exclusive gameplay mechanics like the
    Acrobatics skill and spellcrafting mechanic, I find myself wondering why
    on Earth the developers at Bethesda chose not to implement them in
    Skyrim. Jumping off the side of a cliff and taking next to no damage due
    to my high Acrobatics skill makes escaping unwanted combat encounters
    both easy and amusing. Spell-making is another incredibly cool,
    extremely entertaining feature that has me hooked and has made it hard
    to go back to Skyrim. After the fun I've had in Cyrodiil, returning to
    Skyrim fills me with a profound sense of boredom.

    Yes, I miss my lovely wife Lydia and our sweet adopted daughters, Britte
    and Sissel. I miss our quaint home in Whiterun. I'll return to them
    again someday, once I've gotten my fill of Oblivion.

    ?or maybe I'll be the type of parent who goes out to grab a bottle of
    Skooma and never comes home. With how engaging Oblivion Remastered is,
    it's a definite possibility."
    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.


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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 28, 2026 10:38:40
    On Tue, 27 Jan 2026 21:31:13 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    There was some discussion about Oblivion Remastered here. I just came >across an article about it and thought I'd share. >https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oblivion-remastered-ruined-me-for-skyrim-and-maybe-elder-scrolls-future/ar-AA1Uoki6


    I'm not quite as endeared with "Oblivion", but it always has a spot in
    my heart. I played the shit outta that game when it was new, and for a
    long time --and over multiple PC upgrades-- it maintained a place on
    my hard-drive(s) just so I could drop in and wander about for the heck
    of it. I don't think any of Bethesda's CRPGs are /great/ but they are
    enjoyable romps.

    [Really, the only Bethesda CRPGs I haven't enjoyed were
    "Daggerfall" (too much procedural generation), and "Battle-
    spire" (just a dull dungeon romp with little of the famous
    Bethesda exploration). Although I've yet to play "Starfield",
    which I fear might fall into the same camp as Daggerfall and
    for the same reasons]

    "Oblivion" had its moments, but so did the other games in the series. "Morrowind" by far had the most epic, fantasy-novel feel: your
    character felt the most integrated in the story (what with you being a
    chosen one and all), and the politics and setting added unique twists.
    Its somewhat clunky mechanics were off-putting at start, but by the
    halfway point, it was really hard not to be invested in the game.

    "Oblivion" was more of an all-arounder; a great big pot of generic
    fantasy with some interesting diversions to spice things up. The map
    had some good variety; the swamps of the south east, the northern
    mountains, the rolling hills in the southwest, the forests of the
    midlands... it had a bit of everything.

    "Skyrim" wasn't any less generic and its slightly reduced scale (its
    cities were so small!) made that lack of variety even more obvious...
    but it was head-n-shoulders the better game mechanically and
    technologically. A big problem with "Oblivion" was its repetitive
    quest structure and dungeon maps; Bethesda worked hard to alleviate
    those issues and overall, this made the exploration (what I most enjoy
    from these games) a lot more enjoyable.

    I wasn't really that impressed with "Oblivion Remastered" (except from
    a technical standpoint; porting the game to Unreal Engine and still
    keeping all the goofy scripting had to have been a real treat to
    program ;-). On the other hand, I eagerly look forward to fan projects
    like Skyblivion, which will take "Oblivion" and move it to the Skyrim
    engine and mechanics, and add new features. It'll be the best of both
    worlds (also, it will give me a new reason to finally re-install
    "Skyrim" ;-). The official Bethesda remaster just played it too safe
    for me.

    But really what I want is something new. Elder Scrolls 6 please?









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  • From Justisaur@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 28, 2026 09:50:13
    On 1/27/2026 9:31 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    There was some discussion about Oblivion Remastered here.ÿ I just came across an article about it and thought I'd share.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oblivion-remastered-ruined-me-for- skyrim-and-maybe-elder-scrolls-future/ar-AA1Uoki6? ocid=winpstoreapp&cvid=69799a41d2dc46aaa387c066bd928290&ei=132


    Dammit! This actually makes me want to play Oblivion again. My
    experience the first time was pretty bad though. At least I finished
    it. Unlike Skyrim*, which I've got* in common with this guy.

    I possibly completed Skyrim. I was looking up the ending the other day,
    and it's not killing the dragon at the top of the mountain, which is
    what I never completed thinking that was the end, I'm not sure if I
    actually completed it or not now.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 28, 2026 13:10:28
    On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 09:50:13 -0800, Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    On 1/27/2026 9:31 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    There was some discussion about Oblivion Remastered here.? I just came
    across an article about it and thought I'd share.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oblivion-remastered-ruined-me-for-
    skyrim-and-maybe-elder-scrolls-future/ar-AA1Uoki6?
    ocid=winpstoreapp&cvid=69799a41d2dc46aaa387c066bd928290&ei=132


    Dammit! This actually makes me want to play Oblivion again. My
    experience the first time was pretty bad though. At least I finished
    it. Unlike Skyrim*, which I've got* in common with this guy.

    I possibly completed Skyrim. I was looking up the ending the other day,
    and it's not killing the dragon at the top of the mountain, which is
    what I never completed thinking that was the end, I'm not sure if I
    actually completed it or not now.

    I mean, I /know/ I completed "Skyrim"... but ask me today how it
    ended, and who the boss-monster was, and what happened after? I'll
    draw a blank. I know at some point I flew on a dragon, and that I
    visited the Elder Scroll equivalent of Valhalla... but beyond that?
    Mostly I know that in the end I won, and then got unceremoniously
    dropped back into the world to continue adventuring.

    "Oblivion" definitely was more conclusive than that; there was a
    big-ass fight against the baddie in the city-center, and then a
    magical explosion as the wanna-be emperor turned himself into a statue
    that banished the demons back to Elder Scrolls-hell. At which point
    you were unceremoniusuly dropped back into the world to continue
    adventuring. But at least I remember the final boss.

    Then again, maybe that has as much to do with the fact that I played
    "Oblivion remastered" six months ago, and "Skyrim" ten years ago. I
    mean, it's not as if I really remember how Arena or Morrowind ended
    either ;-)



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  • From Mike S.@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, January 28, 2026 14:00:16
    On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 13:10:28 -0500, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Then again, maybe that has as much to do with the fact that I played >"Oblivion remastered" six months ago, and "Skyrim" ten years ago. I
    mean, it's not as if I really remember how Arena or Morrowind ended
    either ;-)

    Its a been a few years since I finished Arena, and I also am
    forgetting how it ended. Umm... Jagar Tharn... melts I think? I do
    remember the music that played though. That was a really good ending
    midi track. The whole soundtrack for Arena was good.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, January 29, 2026 10:54:18
    On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 14:00:16 -0500, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2026 13:10:28 -0500, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    Then again, maybe that has as much to do with the fact that I played >>"Oblivion remastered" six months ago, and "Skyrim" ten years ago. I
    mean, it's not as if I really remember how Arena or Morrowind ended
    either ;-)

    Its a been a few years since I finished Arena, and I also am
    forgetting how it ended. Umm... Jagar Tharn... melts I think? I do
    remember the music that played though. That was a really good ending
    midi track. The whole soundtrack for Arena was good.

    IIRC, you have to find the seven parts of the Staff of Foozle-Killing
    and then bring them to the end of the final dungeon where a cutscene
    plays. I don't think you even get to fight the evil foozle. I don't
    think it was a bad ending, but it did feel a bit anti-climatic.



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  • From Mike S.@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, January 29, 2026 14:16:10
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 10:54:18 -0500, Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    IIRC, you have to find the seven parts of the Staff of Foozle-Killing
    and then bring them to the end of the final dungeon where a cutscene
    plays. I don't think you even get to fight the evil foozle. I don't
    think it was a bad ending, but it did feel a bit anti-climatic.

    You are right, you use the assembled staff (eight pieces) to end the
    game. I think you touch the staff to something but I don't really
    remember. You can definitely attack Jagar Tharn but I think he is
    invulnerable so it does not matter.

    I am not a fan of boss battles in video games so I was ok with ending
    the game just using the staff. It made sense to me anyway as you spent
    the whole game looking for its parts.

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 13:49:29
    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 14:16:10 -0500, Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 29 Jan 2026 10:54:18 -0500, Spalls Hurgenson ><spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

    IIRC, you have to find the seven parts of the Staff of Foozle-Killing
    and then bring them to the end of the final dungeon where a cutscene
    plays. I don't think you even get to fight the evil foozle. I don't
    think it was a bad ending, but it did feel a bit anti-climatic.

    You are right, you use the assembled staff (eight pieces) to end the
    game. I think you touch the staff to something but I don't really
    remember. You can definitely attack Jagar Tharn but I think he is >invulnerable so it does not matter.

    I am not a fan of boss battles in video games so I was ok with ending
    the game just using the staff. It made sense to me anyway as you spent
    the whole game looking for its parts.

    I actually had to watch a video after I posted to remind myself of the
    ending. It's literally a case of double-clicking a texture on the wall
    to trigger the cutscene.

    Like you said, narratively there isn't really anything wrong with the
    concept. Honestly, I find boss battles sort of weird anyway. Why is
    the bad-guy leader engaging in combat anyway? Why is he always the
    most powerful? It bears absolutely no resemblance to reality; do you
    think if the US snuck a commando team into Russia, Putin would
    eventually show up armed with two M60s and, if he was murdered in the
    Kremlin, Russia would throw up their hands and go, "Oh, you got us.
    You win."? It's the mechanics of the games overriding the narrative in
    the silliest way.

    So it wasn't the idea that there was no end-boss... but there could
    have been more build-up; more challenge. Honestly, had Bethesda
    changed the texture to a big "You Win!" switch, it wouldn't have been
    much different. Especially since the final dungeon wasn't,
    mechanically, any different from the dozens of others you'd already
    fought your way through.

    [Bethesda fixed this in Daggerfall. The end-dungeon of that
    game was really trippy]

    So, narratively Arena's ending was fine. It was just, as I said,
    pretty anti-climatic how it was implemented.



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  • From Xocyll@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 17:38:32
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    <snip>
    Like you said, narratively there isn't really anything wrong with the >concept. Honestly, I find boss battles sort of weird anyway. Why is
    the bad-guy leader engaging in combat anyway? Why is he always the
    most powerful? It bears absolutely no resemblance to reality; do you
    think if the US snuck a commando team into Russia, Putin would
    eventually show up armed with two M60s and, if he was murdered in the >Kremlin, Russia would throw up their hands and go, "Oh, you got us.
    You win."? It's the mechanics of the games overriding the narrative in
    the silliest way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO1HC8pHZw0

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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