From: harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk

Every time I restart the computer I have to do a *Configure country UK
in order to move the double-quotes back into the 2 key as depicted on
the keycaps. How do I get the configuration to save?

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From: harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk

On 8 Sep 2025 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:

Every time I restart the computer I have to do a *Configure country UK
in order to move the double-quotes back into the 2 key as depicted on
the keycaps. How do I get the configuration to save?

I'm guessing that the issue is *probably* that I have been using
!KeyMap (originally in a failed attempt to type Unicode into NetSurf - I couldn't find a layout that actually produced the right characters in an
actual Web page), which if I remember correctly (I can't find where I
got this info from) toggles in Cyrillic mode between Cyrillic keyboard
layout and US English layout by pressing left Shift/Alt....

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Life, don't talk to me about life....

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From: jmc.bruck@orange.fr

In message <42f78f595c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 8 Sep 2025 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:

Every time I restart the computer I have to do a *Configure country UK
in order to move the double-quotes back into the 2 key as depicted on
the keycaps. How do I get the configuration to save?

I'm guessing that the issue is *probably* that I have been using
!KeyMap (originally in a failed attempt to type Unicode into NetSurf - I couldn't find a layout that actually produced the right characters in an actual Web page), which if I remember correctly (I can't find where I
got this info from) toggles in Cyrillic mode between Cyrillic keyboard
layout and US English layout by pressing left Shift/Alt....

Hi Harriet,
Unicode and internationalization are two very interesting subjects ...

The font that displays Cyrillic characters is "unicode", they are only displayed in !Chars or !XChars.

I don't know how to have them displayed by !NetSurf, it's a good question.

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Jean-Michel

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From: Paul@sprie.nl

In article <2c10185b5c.jmb@jmc.bruck.orange.fr>,
Jean-Michel <jmc.bruck@orange.fr> wrote:

The font that displays Cyrillic characters is "unicode", they are only displayed in !Chars or !XChars.

And in !Iris, and in !NetSurf, and in !KeyMap, and in !Dict, and even in
!Edit when configured correctly. And probably in some more apps as well

I don't know how to have them displayed by !NetSurf, it's a good
question.

That's just a matter of entering the URL of a Russian website in the
url-bar (e.g. https://www.google.com/?hl=ru).

The problem is not displaying the Unicode characters, but entering them.
!Dict accepts unicode input, and !Edit can be configured to do so as well.
Post editing however is a pain. Apart from those two, I don't know about
any other program that accepts unicode input. Real unicode support would be welcomed very heartedly indeed.

Paul

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From: harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk

On 12 Sep 2025 as I do recall,
Jean-Michel wrote:

In message <42f78f595c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

On 8 Sep 2025 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:

Every time I restart the computer I have to do a *Configure country UK
in order to move the double-quotes back into the 2 key as depicted on
the keycaps. How do I get the configuration to save?

I'm guessing that the issue is *probably* that I have been using
!KeyMap (originally in a failed attempt to type Unicode into NetSurf - I couldn't find a layout that actually produced the right characters in an actual Web page), which if I remember correctly (I can't find where I
got this info from) toggles in Cyrillic mode between Cyrillic keyboard layout and US English layout by pressing left Shift/Alt....

Hi Harriet,
Unicode and internationalization are two very interesting subjects ...

The font that displays Cyrillic characters is "unicode", they are only displayed in !Chars or !XChars.

I don't know how to have them displayed by !NetSurf, it's a good question.

I do have them displayed by NetSurf, but I can't remember how I set
that up. You need the font 'Cyberbit', which is *huge*. With that
installed, I can cut and paste Cyrillic text from within NetSurf itself,
but I can't usefully enter it from the keyboard, e.g. for a search in https://www.multitran.com/dictionary/russian-english/

I tried setting up Paul Sprangers' !Keymap and !Dict, but never got Web
search working with any of the character maps provided, although I did
at some point in that process acquire a Bukinist.KO18 and Bukinist.1251
font which can be used along with !Keymap to type using a standard
Russian keyboard layout in RISC OS applications. (My Russian
touch-typing is incredibly laborious, but just about usable; attempting
to transcribe Unicode Cyrillic text viewed on the Web into editable form
in a document, as opposed to being able to cut and paste it from the
browser window, is so impractical that it is actually much faster to
copy it out by hand and work in manuscript.)


I've just run !Chars, and it is showing Cyrillic characters in all the positions above ASCII 128; however *Keyboard and *Country are already reporting "UK" when I check, and clicking on the Cyrillic characters
displayed in the !Chars window doesn't actually type the letters
currently shown in the window but the 'normal' Latin-1 accented
characters at those positions instead. So I have thoroughly confused my configuration somehow.

If I reboot, the double-quote will probably have moved back onto the @
key....

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