On 14 Jan 2026 18:32:47 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

I tried to like jazz and failed. To provide some context I read
Kerouac and the other Beats at a young age and they were into the
'40s and '50s bebop musicians. I found the music twitchy and nervous.

Jazz is something I appreciate more for the influence it's had on the
rest of the world than enjoy in raw form. It was a key ingredient in
the cocktail that birthed progressive rock; without that initial shot
in the arm from jazz by way of King Crimson, it might never have gotten
beyond just sounding like the Moody Blues. Likewise, original-flavor
Chicago (before Terry Kath died and the DX7 ruined them) owed a whole
lot to jazz.

That said, "Kind of Blue" is a marvelous album.


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On 2026-01-11 04:03, c186282 wrote:

Only caught part of the interview with some big-biz
CEO. Said he stopped hiring programmers a couple of
years ago, as soon as CHAT could write code.

...

Trust the pointy-haired bosses to specify
code ? Are you MAD ????????

Evolution will filter him out, eventually.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
ES??, EU??;

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On 1/14/26 17:18, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 2026-01-11 04:03, c186282 wrote:

Only caught part of the interview with some big-biz
CEO. Said he stopped hiring programmers a couple of
years ago, as soon as CHAT could write code.

...

Trust the pointy-haired bosses to specify
code ? Are you MAD ????????

Evolution will filter him out, eventually.

The AIs can *already* do a better job than they can :-)


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On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 17:34:39 -0500
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

Trust the pointy-haired bosses to specify
code ? Are you MAD ????????

Evolution will filter him out, eventually.

The AIs can *already* do a better job than they can :-)

It *is* pretty rich that the people most desperate to replace everyone
with chatbots are the exact people who could be most viably replaced
with chatbots.


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On 1/14/26 22:42, rbowman wrote:

On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 11:10:53 -0800, John Ames wrote:

Jazz is something I appreciate more for the influence it's had on the
rest of the world than enjoy in raw form. It was a key ingredient in the
cocktail that birthed progressive rock; without that initial shot in the
arm from jazz by way of King Crimson, it might never have gotten beyond
just sounding like the Moody Blues. Likewise, original-flavor Chicago
(before Terry Kath died and the DX7 ruined them) owed a whole lot to
jazz.

I don't much care for progressives, take that as you may. I'll make an exception for 'Whiter Shade of Pale' if that is progressive. I still don't know what some of the words in the lyrics are and I certainly don't know
what it meant but with a little good weed who cares?

I just played it on youtube and had a flashback sitting in my Plymouth on
a hot July morning in '67 getting ready for another day at my summer gig
in the NYS Dept. of Edducation.

Isn't that "Learing" ? :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GielMXWQlbw

No not Procol Harum -- a little Mary Hopkin.

LOTS of 'experiments' in the 60s and early 70s.
Some interesting stuff came out of that. Not
always with WIDE appeal, but still interesting.

Heh ... just saw an ad for some new TV 'crime'
series. Music - Innagoddavida :-)

DID like the last half, as the uninspired
drum solo ended ... that kinda set my tastes
forever.

Hmm, try Wo Fat's "Psychedelonaut" ... three
old fat REALLY WEIRD dead-heavy guys .......


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On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 00:43:49 -0500
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

Heh ... just saw an ad for some new TV 'crime' series. Music -
Innagoddavida :-)

DID like the last half, as the uninspired drum solo ended ... that
kinda set my tastes forever.

That's one of those ones where the album version has some good ideas
but kinda flags in the middle. There's a version on their first live
album that's better - still got to contend with the fact that extended
drum solos are *not* to everyone's taste, but there's considerably more
energy to it.

Still, if I had to put together a ranking of favorite "whole side of an
LP" tracks, it'd be a ways below the likes of "Close to the Edge,"
"Tarkus," "Echoes," or "Whippin' Post."


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On 2026-01-15, John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 00:43:49 -0500
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:

Heh ... just saw an ad for some new TV 'crime' series. Music -
Innagoddavida :-)

DID like the last half, as the uninspired drum solo ended ... that
kinda set my tastes forever.

That's one of those ones where the album version has some good ideas
but kinda flags in the middle. There's a version on their first live
album that's better - still got to contend with the fact that extended
drum solos are *not* to everyone's taste, but there's considerably more energy to it.

Extended drum solos were a big thing at the time, to the point of being parodied. The mockumentary "The Last Polka", a play on "The Last Waltz", featured John Candy and Eugene Levy as the "The Shmenges", a fictional
duo complete with lederhosen. At one point in their live concert,
everyone walked offstage during an extended solo by... a tuba.

Still, if I had to put together a ranking of favorite "whole side of an
LP" tracks, it'd be a ways below the likes of "Close to the Edge,"
"Tarkus," "Echoes," or "Whippin' Post."

I loved the whole "art rock" phase, along with concept albums.
For example, side 3 of Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma":
Sisyphus (parts 1-4)
Grantchester Meadows
Several Species of Small Furry Animals
Gathered Together in a Cave and
Grooving with a Pict

"Atom Heart Mother" was good too.

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Growth for the sake of
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | growth is the ideology
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | of the cancer cell.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Edward Abbey

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 18:58:22 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

Extended drum solos were a big thing at the time, to the point of
being parodied.

A-yup. Personally I'm fine with 'em, provided they keep the flow/energy
going; always liked "Anonymous 2" by Focus, which included not just a
drum solo, but an extended bass solo section, all as part of a long-
form instrumental jam based around an uncredited theme from the 15th
century - doesn't get much more '70s art-rock than that XD

I loved the whole "art rock" phase, along with concept albums.
For example, side 3 of Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma":
Sisyphus (parts 1-4)
Grantchester Meadows
Several Species of Small Furry Animals
Gathered Together in a Cave and
Grooving with a Pict

"Atom Heart Mother" was good too.

Ummagumma I'm hot & cold on (the live disc is killer, but only Gilmour
& Waters's solo tracks grab me - funny, as Wright is one of my all-time favorite keyboardists,) but AHM is better than anybody gives it credit
for (even the band themselves mostly hated it.) Think it's because the centerpiece is such an unusual number, with Floyd pretty much providing
a backing track to an orchestral piece mostly written by someone else.
Heard a live recording that was just the four of them, stripped down to
the bones of the piece, and that was mighty interesting; sounded closer
to the funky bits of "Echoes" than anything...


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Charlie Gibbs wrote this post by blinking in Morse code:

<snip>

Extended drum solos were a big thing at the time, to the point of being parodied. <snip>

While looking for a video of Carl Palmer explaining the drum solo
in "Toccata" in the "Brain Salad Surgery" album (a set of 8
cigar-box-sized synth modules triggered by the drums), I found
this:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UMhWD60LGY>

Here you are watching possibly the best drum solo of all time
by 71-year-old drummer Carl Palmer on January 30, 2022, at the
Ft. Lauderdale, FL Broward Theater of Performing Arts, Carl
Palmer is still kicking butt and taking names.

Not bad for an old bastard!

<snip>

Still, if I had to put together a ranking of favorite "whole side of an
LP" tracks, it'd be a ways below the likes of "Close to the Edge,"
"Tarkus," "Echoes," or "Whippin' Post."

One of my favorites is the extended version of Aquatarkus on ELP's
Live album.

I loved the whole "art rock" phase, along with concept albums.
For example, side 3 of Pink Floyd's "Ummagumma":
Sisyphus (parts 1-4)
Grantchester Meadows
Several Species of Small Furry Animals
Gathered Together in a Cave and
Grooving with a Pict

"Atom Heart Mother" was good too.

"I don't wanna work, I just wanna bang on the drum all day.
I don't wanna play, I just wanna bang on the drum all day."

--
Woody: Hey, Mr. Peterson, what do you say to a cold one?
Norm: See you later, Vera, I'll be at Cheers.
-- Cheers, Norm's Last Hurrah
Sam: Well, look at you. You look like the cat that swallowed the canary. Norm: And I need a beer to wash him down.
-- Cheers, Norm's Last Hurrah
Woody: Would you like a beer, Mr. Peterson?
Norm: No, I'd like a dead cat in a glass.
-- Cheers, Little Carla, Happy at Last, Part 2

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On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 08:03:03 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

While looking for a video of Carl Palmer explaining the drum solo in "Toccata" in the "Brain Salad Surgery" album (a set of 8 cigar-box-
sized synth modules triggered by the drums), I found this:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UMhWD60LGY>

Here you are watching possibly the best drum solo of all time by
71-year-old drummer Carl Palmer on January 30, 2022, at the Ft.
Lauderdale, FL Broward Theater of Performing Arts, Carl Palmer is
still kicking butt and taking names.

Not bad for an old bastard!

Palmer is the goods alright. Bill Bruford's still got it, too, though
it seems he's only un-retired to play shows in his native England.
Can't blame him for not wanting to tour anymore, I s'pose, but dammit!

One of my favorites is the extended version of Aquatarkus on ELP's
Live album.

Need to revisit that sometime - there are few prog bands I find as good
live as they were in the studio, but it's been an age and a half since
I sat down with any of ELP's live stuff.


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