I finally got an iso downloaded and installed. From my experience the MX mirrors are crap. I finally found one that sowed the download in less than
an hour instead of hours if not days.
I chose Xfce and SysVinit with no problems. I'd had a Debian Bullseye Xfce install and it was a bit primitive. I also briefly tried Mint's version
and it didn't impress me much. MX's is nice. I don't do much configuration for any distro. All I did was use Tweaker to move the panel to horizontal
on the bottom with autohide and it more or less looks like KDE. I haven't done anything with Conky but I'm familiar with it from antiX. It can be handy.
On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 00:10:30 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Agree about the slow mirrors. It's not you, it's them.
I finally found
https://rsync-mxlinux.org/mirmon/index.html
rsync-mxlinux.org took about an hour. The home page send you off to SourceForge and that's useless. Supposedly you can select mirrors but when the ftp widget showed 3 days I canceled.
Note there's the 'regular' ISO and a "AHD", advanced hardware distro,
option. Can't go wrong with the AHD. Had to use it on one little box
with a rather new Intel chip set when BullsEye first came out.
I saw that but I don't have any advanced hardware. The VM is on a box with
a Haswell gen processor. (4th Gen, 2013)
Remember 'Mephis' - it was nice. Still fool with Antix, tight and
solid. MX combined the best of both - a rare case of where the
synthesis was greater than the parts.
antiX is okay but IceWM isn't exactly state of the art.
I use XFCE ... but usually also load LXDE. You may pref KDE or
something even odder. It's there. Note 'autostart' is different in
XFCE and LXDE.
Xfce works. I don't know how much tweaking MX does but it's better looking than I usually think of Xfce as. The Debian Bullseye version was sort of plain but I never did any configuration.
I had Lubuntu on the netbook before playing with Mint. LXQt was okay. LXDE
is semi-dead. Anyway it's a contender for replacing Ubuntu as it chases
AI.
The Firefox on MX is newer than the Ubuntu one and when I did a search it said 'thinking...' That doesn't bode well.
ÿ And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and
ÿ useful util for everything the distro has.
c186282 wrote:
rbowman wrote:I picked a UK one and it was able to saturate my connection, 3 GB in
I finally got an iso downloaded and installed. From my experiencethe MX mirrors are crap. I finally found one that sowed the
download in less than an hour instead of hours if not days.
ÿÿ Agree about the slow mirrors. It's not you, it's them.
just under 6 minutes
W dniu 14.06.2026 oÿ06:10, c186282 pisze:
ÿÿ And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and
ÿÿ useful util for everything the distro has.
I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience.
It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only
apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.
On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 03:19:19 -0400, c186282 wrote:
However that's not all Antix - the bigger distros - comes with.
There IS a CL-only Antix, if that's your thing. Very basic raw
Deb-like. More than, say, Slitaz - but not excessively so. Those
depressed Greek commies did a fair job.
I've got antiX 23. That release still had a 'base' along with 'full'. Full has LibreOffice and other stuff I do not use. I don't know why the dropped that option for 26.
Well, get FFox/Chromium updates at least once a week.
The absolute version isn't what's important, it's the latest bug/hack
fixes. Vlad/Xi ARE watching ....
I use Brave and it does get updated frequently. Most distros, including
MX, install Firefox and LibreOffice whether you want them or not. The
Fedora box has neither. FF was available so I didn't go digging but Brave doesn't do Khan Academy videos the last time I tried but that was last
year.
If I want something descended from the diseased Mozilla tree I use
LibreWolf. Yeah, I do use Thunderbird; I never said I was consistent.
On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 11:50:49 +0200, ??Jacek Marcin Jaworski?? wrote:
W dniu 14.06.2026 oÿ06:10, c186282 pisze:
ÿ And, Blessed Be Synaptic ! Your one-stop intuitive and useful util
ÿ for everything the distro has.
I recall that I use Synaptic only at the beginning my Linux experience.
It was before 2010. Since I return to Linux in dec. 2017, I use only
apt. It is very easy and very intuitive for me.
I seldom use anything but the CLI for installs and updates. apt, dnf, and zypper are pretty much the same. pacman was the odd one with -Syu.
At some point I did install Synaptic on the Ubuntu box. If I do want a GUI it's better than the Ubuntu utility.
On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 10:33:51 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
c186282 wrote:
rbowman wrote:I picked a UK one and it was able to saturate my connection, 3 GB in
I finally got an iso downloaded and installed. From my experiencethe MX mirrors are crap. I finally found one that sowed the download
in less than an hour instead of hours if not days.
ÿ Agree about the slow mirrors. It's not you, it's them.
just under 6 minutes
You're lucky, I don't have the fastest connection but the US mirrors were ridiculous. r/MXLinux isn't very active but I did see a post where someone wondered why a mirror halfway around the world was better than the US
ones.
rbowman wrote:
I don't have the fastest connection but the US mirrors were
ridiculous. r/MXLinux isn't very active but I did see a post where
someone
wondered why a mirror halfway around the world was better than the US
ones.
I tried most of the US mirrors (only did about 30s from each, rather
than a full download) they all maxed my connection at similar speed to
UK, my conclusion, the mirrors are all fine ...
On Sun, 14 Jun 2026 19:45:33 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
rbowman wrote:
I don't have the fastest connection but the US mirrors were ridiculous.
r/MXLinux isn't very active but I did see a post where someone wondered
why a mirror halfway around the world was better than the US ones.
I tried most of the US mirrors (only did about 30s from each, rather
than a full download) they all maxed my connection at similar speed to
UK, my conclusion, the mirrors are all fine ...
I can only report what I experienced.
c186282 wrote:
ÿÿ Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be
I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma
spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works
and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a
less powerful media PC ...
That's why i tried the USA mirrors too, they are just as fast to me
as the UK ones, I suspect the problem is the internet connection
between the USA mirrors (mostly big .edu) and your ISP ...
I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma
spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works
and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a
less powerful media PC ...
On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 07:23:36 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:Some are actively designed to do that. reduces DOS attack damage
c186282 wrote:
ÿ Seems the UK mirrors are good. USA mirrors NOT so great. Dunno why.
ÿ There IS a way to switch mirrors ... may try to switch to UK
ÿ tomorrow and see if there's an improvement.
That's why i tried the USA mirrors too, they are just as fast to me as
the UK ones, I suspect the problem is the internet connection between
the USA mirrors (mostly big .edu) and your ISP ...
That doesn't make sense. My 'ISP' is Verizon wireless. How can I ping
8.8.8.8 and see normal returns while a mirror hems, haws, and throttles
the hell out of a download.
On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 07:21:27 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
c186282 wrote:
ÿ Anyway, MX, try it out. I can't see how you would be
I'm just about to try a move from fedora with gnome, to the kde plasma
spin, so far only looked at the live DVD but basically every thing works
and I like the look ... rbowman mentioned xfce which I used to use on a
less powerful media PC ...
My Fedora and Leap 16 boxes are KDE and the EndeavourOS install was KDE. I was surprised by MX's Xfce. It looks a lot better than what was on my
Debian Bullseye work box and what I tried with Linux Mint. It almost
looks like KDE :)
Not a factor for me but KDE needs systemd. The MX VM is SysVinit/X11.
On Mon, 15 Jun 2026 07:23:36 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
c186282 wrote:
ÿ Seems the UK mirrors are good. USA mirrors NOT so great. Dunno why.
ÿ There IS a way to switch mirrors ... may try to switch to UK
ÿ tomorrow and see if there's an improvement.
That's why i tried the USA mirrors too, they are just as fast to me as
the UK ones, I suspect the problem is the internet connection between
the USA mirrors (mostly big .edu) and your ISP ...
That doesn't make sense. My 'ISP' is Verizon wireless. How can I ping
8.8.8.8 and see normal returns while a mirror hems, haws, and throttles
the hell out of a download.
On 6/15/26 03:02, rbowman wrote:
That doesn't make sense. My 'ISP' is Verizon wireless. How can I ping
8.8.8.8 and see normal returns while a mirror hems, haws, and throttles
the hell out of a download.
ÿ Well, mirrors, it's not just YOUR speed, it's how
ÿ well their software delivers, how much bandwidth
ÿ THEY have and how much they allocate to any one user.
On 16/06/2026 08:39, c186282 wrote:
On 6/15/26 03:02, rbowman wrote:
Exactly.That doesn't make sense. My 'ISP' is Verizon wireless. How can I ping
8.8.8.8 and see normal returns while a mirror hems, haws, and throttles
the hell out of a download.
ÿÿ Well, mirrors, it's not just YOUR speed, it's how
ÿÿ well their software delivers, how much bandwidth
ÿÿ THEY have and how much they allocate to any one user.
Mirrors are not you tube. They don't get paid for enormous numbers of
high speed downloads
Its often a service offered on a 'best efforts' basis using up what bandwidth is spare.
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:37:09 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Incorrect. It offers two installs - SysV and systemd. SEEMS to
install according to the one you pick.
You are correct. I was thinking of the Plasma Login Manager.
https://hackaday.com/2026/02/02/kde-binds-itself-tightly-to-systemd-drops- support-for-non-systemd-systems/
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 03:39:44 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Well, mirrors, it's not just YOUR speed, it's how well their software
delivers, how much bandwidth THEY have and how much they allocate to
any one user.
I go the StarLink kit yesterday and set it up. speedtest.net shows 41 Mbps down, 21 uo. The Verizon wireless shows 10.5 down, 0.21 up.
speed.cloudflare.com may be more realistic and shows 30/10 for StarLink,
3.32 Mbps/221 kbps for Verizon.
That's from the Fedora box. The speed test from the StarLink app show 101 Mbps down. The SUSE laptop showed 105 down.
The app shows no obstructions and the dish is oriented correctly. Despite
the varying speed tests it is faster than Verizon.
I also moved the Fire TV to StarLink. Neither SUSE or Fedora has a large update so I can't get a feeling for that difference. The Mint laptop
updated and seemed a little snappier. It's showing 46.4 down, 11.2 up.
The router does have an Ethernet port. I'll pick up a cable and see if the WiFi chips in the different machine are the difference. That may also
allow me to create a bridge for the VM.
I'll run the two in parallel for a while but faster speeds and $40 / month makes MuskNet attractive for me.
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 22:05:43 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Downloaded "Endeavour" today ... speed went up and down
all during. Took nearly 30 minutes.
There's a "online install" option somewhere, allegedly gives you more
up-front desktop options and such.
I installed the Mercury iso iirc there was an offline version with Xfce. I don't see any iso options for Titan. I used the KDE DE. It was good until
it wasn't. It wouldn't boot after an update and after wandering through
the live session, chroot, systemd-boot, dracut, and other stuff I said
screw it' and installed Leap.
It has a lot of updates but then so does Fedora. I saw many of the same packages go by on the update list.
TRIED to download the latest "Antix" - which is smaller. Alas the
speeds were so crappy I gave up. Maybe tonight or tomorrow.
I've got it downloading on one of the StarLink boxes. It looks like a
little under an hour for the full iso. The default SourceForge mirror was saying 3 hours so I switched to Gigabit.
Had tried Endeavour before - Arch. It's NOT bad, now even a little
higher on the DistroWatch list than Manjaro. My only complaint with
these is the 'rolling release' - more than a few little additions and
it downloads 3+ gigs, the entire system. That's ONE way of solving
dependencies ...
I think I'm done with rolling releases. The latest, greatest doesn't buy
me anything. That's why I'm interviewing Leap. Being downstream of SLE I don't expect many surprises. There is a openSUSE subreddit that's mostly posts about the trials and tribulations of Tumbelweed. SlowRoll may or
may not get better vetted packages.
I kinda like Antix ... very compact, all business. You can,
of course, ADD to it all you want - make it into any sort of
for-purpose system you want. GOTTA ditch the depressive Greek-commie
backgrounds though
It works on the eeePC but there are obvious limitations because of the hardware. I'll put 26 up in a VM on the Thinkpad T480 to give it a fairer trial.
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:19:35 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Really really MAY pay for StarLink as an "auxillary/emergency"
connection. NOT sure I've seen an "unlimited" acct category however -
but for an 'emergency' I don't NEED that.
I went for the basic residential that they claim up to 100 mbps. They
tweaked the plans after the IPO but mine is $55/month and no upfront cost
for the dish, router, and power supply. The hardest part of the
installation was drilling the 5/8 hole for the ethernet cable. The 50' ethernet cable. Just what I needed another big ball of wire. There are different mounts but I'm using the 'kickstand' that comes with the dish.
It works on the eeePC but there are obvious limitations because of
the hardware. I'll put 26 up in a VM on the Thinkpad T480 to give
it a fairer trial.
Can you still GET an eeePC ? Mine fell about three floors onto
concrete ....
It was a GREAT little laptop though !
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:55:26 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Can you still GET an eeePC ? Mine fell about three floors
onto concrete ...
You might be able to find one on eBay. iirc I bought mine in 2007 when
they first came out. At the time it was Linux only; windows came later.
Downloaded the antiX 26 full and brought it up in a VM. When I tried to install it said the iso was corrupt. Downloaded from another site. Same story. The live version ran so I opened a terminal and ran 'sudo minstall --no-media-check'. It installed and is working. I went with the default runit/IceWM.
Pretty much like 23 without the eeePC limitations. It did use 10.25 GiB of the 30 I gave it. 23 Base was under 4.
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:19:35 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Really really MAY pay for StarLink as an "auxillary/emergency"
connection. NOT sure I've seen an "unlimited" acct category however -
but for an 'emergency' I don't NEED that.
I went for the basic residential that they claim up to 100 mbps. They
tweaked the plans after the IPO but mine is $55/month and no upfront cost
for the dish, router, and power supply. The hardest part of the
installation was drilling the 5/8 hole for the ethernet cable. The 50' ethernet cable. Just what I needed another big ball of wire. There are different mounts but I'm using the 'kickstand' that comes with the dish.
rbowman wrote:
c186282 wrote:I dug out my Dell Mini 9 netbook, might still be OK if you're running in text mode, but screen resolution is very limiting (e.g. apps may have dialogues that don't even fit the monitor).ÿ Also mini-PCIe IDE SSDs disappeared pretty quickly without getting any higher capacity.
Can you still GET an eeePC ?
You might be able to find one on eBay. iirc I bought mine in 2007 when
they first came out.
On Tue, 16 Jun 2026 23:55:26 -0400
c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
It works on the eeePC but there are obvious limitations because of
the hardware. I'll put 26 up in a VM on the Thinkpad T480 to give
it a fairer trial.
Can you still GET an eeePC ? Mine fell about three floors onto
concrete ....
It was a GREAT little laptop though !
Absolute tanks. Mine fell from the roof of my car onto a freeway on-
ramp at ~20 MPH and came out with no worse than a lightly-cracked and heavily-scuffed case, lasted another ~8 yrs. before succumbing to a
board failure. Bought another used, which has been chugging along ever
since, though it's in need of a replacement PSU jack and battery ATM.
Nobody but *nobody* solved the laptop-hinge problem like Asus did on
those first couple Eee generations. Oneathesedays, maybe when this one
gives up the ghost, I oughta figure out how to rip out the guts and
stuff a little ARM SBC in there...
Tree company said $2500+ minimum to clear a new path
and would NOT guarentee the wire would not be destroyed
in the process. Basically a bunch of quasi-legals going
nuts with chain saws. Took nearly a MONTH to get someone at
Comcast who COULD understand that the physical wire was
broken, NOT in their diags book. Kept wanting to replace
my box. NOT the problem ! "Cable" doesn't work without
the damned CABLE.
Clue - be CIVIL and POLITE with the techs in Bangalore
and they will, eventually, boost you to a US tech who
will immediately understand the issue and send a crew.
On 2026-06-18, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
Tree company said $2500+ minimum to clear a new path
and would NOT guarentee the wire would not be destroyed
in the process. Basically a bunch of quasi-legals going
nuts with chain saws. Took nearly a MONTH to get someone at
Comcast who COULD understand that the physical wire was
broken, NOT in their diags book. Kept wanting to replace
my box. NOT the problem ! "Cable" doesn't work without
the damned CABLE.
BTDT after construction workers across the street tore out
our connection.
Clue - be CIVIL and POLITE with the techs in Bangalore
and they will, eventually, boost you to a US tech who
will immediately understand the issue and send a crew.
Also, be patient and persistent. Try to resolve one
problem at a time, and be prepared to call back another
time if you can't get the tech to look at a second problem.
Think of it as a process of stepwise refinement. Have a
phone on which you can comfortably stay on hold for an
hour or so, and call when you have other stuff you can
do while you're waiting. When you do get a live person
on the line, keep him there until you've resolved as much
as you can without losing your cool.
Be sure you have time to spare before starting.
On Thu, 18 Jun 2026 03:20:18 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Note the initial install - you get a choice of the "legacy kernel" or
the "modern kernel". Strongly suggest the latter.
32-bit is now kinda heavily 'depricated'. You CAN install an alleged
32 bit ... but they SAY a LOT of the current software won't work with
it.
I went with the 'modern' kernel, though 6.6 isn't very modern. The host
Leap 16 is 6.12 as is MX. However it works.
Anyway, ANTIX is especially good because it starts out SO "minimal" -
no bullshit or complications. You can then expand AS YOU NEED without
all the usual distro baggage.
My appraisal of Antix-26 - VERY GOOD.
I'd add an asterisk -- if you're on an older system with RAM and processor limitations. IceWM is usable, certainly more than fluxbox, but lacks the polish of Xfce. The 23 Base package was more 'build it out as you want
it'. If I'm going to get LibreOffice and other stuff in Full that I don't
use I'd rather go with MX for an older box like my 2011 Acer netbook. For
an out of the box install I like it better than the Mint Xfce I looked a briefly.
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 04:46:10 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
rbowman wrote:
speedtest.net shows 40 Mbps down on the older Dell box with Fedora, 101
Mbps on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. I'm thinking the difference is
the older WiFi chip. I've got an Ethernet cable coming today to see if
a direct connection gets it up to full advertised speed.
Highly likely ... IME the biggest cause of people not getting the speed
they're paying their ISP for is WiFi.
The Fedora box is showing the full 100 Mbps with a wired connection.
Updating VS Code had been a problem with a lot of timeouts but it took seconds. The box had also been sluggish with sftp from other machines on
the LAN but that was also greatly improved.
The wireless adapter is a Qualcom Atheros from 2014 to match the rest of
the hardware. It must be tired. It is 2.4 GHz. The Lenovo T480 has a newer Intel adapter that connects at 5 GHz and shows 100 Mbps down.
I haven't moved the Beelink to Starlink yet but it's also relatively new
and probably will get the full speed.
The 2011 netbook is also a 2.4 GHz connection but it gets 70 Mbps. It's
not heavily used so that's fine.
I was hoping I could resolve the problem of the VM not being visible on
the LAN with a wired connection but so far no luck. That's not a big deal either.
rbowman wrote:
speedtest.net shows 40 Mbps down on the older Dell box with Fedora, 101
Mbps on the Lenovo T480 with Leap 16. I'm thinking the difference is the
older WiFi chip. I've got an Ethernet cable coming today to see if a
direct connection gets it up to full advertised speed.
Highly likely ... IME the biggest cause of people not getting the speed they're paying their ISP for is WiFi.
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 02:50:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Gave it all a rest today, after being up to 5AM before. Still have to
deal with the VBox 'extension pack', which is less friendly these
days. Simplest case I'll just link it to my little "NAS" so files can
be shared. Using the 'bridged adapter' setting it IS on my local
network.
I tried installing VirtualBox on Leap 16. Not at all friendly.
On 6/19/26 12:56, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 02:50:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:
ÿÿÿ Gave it all a rest today, after being up to 5AM before. Still
have to
ÿÿÿ deal with the VBox 'extension pack', which is less friendly these
ÿÿÿ days. Simplest case I'll just link it to my little "NAS" so files
can
ÿÿÿ be shared. Using the 'bridged adapter' setting it IS on my local
ÿÿÿ network.
I tried installing VirtualBox on Leap 16. Not at all friendly.
ÿ VBox is NOT as easy/general as it used to be alas.
ÿ Sure you can $$$$$$Pay$$$$$$ for VM-Ware ....
ÿ Seems Oracle has kind of lost interest in VBox.
ÿ Some distros it will work, some it won't. No
ÿ good online solutions. Roll the dice.
ÿ On my current MX it works pretty well - except
ÿ the 'extension pack' stuff can be quirky, or
ÿ just unusable. Anyway, it's good enough so I
ÿ can eval new distros.
ÿ TRIED it on Leap, and Fedora, far more problems.
ÿ See the ARCH "AUR" distros were full of malware.
ÿ Arch is kinda FLUSHING those - too big a problem
ÿ to fix, so Start Over. Have ONE Arch deriv as
ÿ a VM ... do I try to FIX it, or just FLUSH it ???
ÿ DO remember when evil people managed to infiltrate
ÿ a MINT distro ... they didn't catch it right away.
ÿ A bud of mine at the office had just spent good
ÿ time installing MINT ... and was REALLY pissed when
ÿ I told him he'd have to flush it.
ÿ We usually look for hacks finding tiny flaws in
ÿ existing software - but the BEST hack is to get
ÿ into the base distro/repos themselves.
ÿ Linux USED to be "safe" and "beyond notice". NOT
ÿ so anymore. Shit, 90 plus % of the firmware in the
ÿ world is Linux. The evil people have TAKEN NOTICE.
ÿ OK, big loss, just FLUSHED the Arch-based VM. SHIT !
On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 03:41:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
TRIED it on Leap, and Fedora, far more problems.
On Leap 16 after installing the rpm from virtualbox.org it popped up a laundry list of requirements that looked like it was going to build a
kernel driver on site. That was similar to Mint, where VB would start but then said it needed packages that conflicted with the current software.
On 2026-06-20 09:41, c186282 wrote:
On 6/19/26 12:56, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 02:50:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:
ÿÿÿ Gave it all a rest today, after being up to 5AM before. Still
have to
ÿÿÿ deal with the VBox 'extension pack', which is less friendly these
ÿÿÿ days. Simplest case I'll just link it to my little "NAS" so
files can
ÿÿÿ be shared. Using the 'bridged adapter' setting it IS on my local
ÿÿÿ network.
I tried installing VirtualBox on Leap 16. Not at all friendly.
ÿÿ VBox is NOT as easy/general as it used to be alas.
ÿÿ Sure you can $$$$$$Pay$$$$$$ for VM-Ware ....
ÿÿ Seems Oracle has kind of lost interest in VBox.
ÿÿ Some distros it will work, some it won't. No
ÿÿ good online solutions. Roll the dice.
ÿÿ On my current MX it works pretty well - except
ÿÿ the 'extension pack' stuff can be quirky, or
ÿÿ just unusable. Anyway, it's good enough so I
ÿÿ can eval new distros.
ÿÿ TRIED it on Leap, and Fedora, far more problems.
ÿÿ See the ARCH "AUR" distros were full of malware.
ÿÿ Arch is kinda FLUSHING those - too big a problem
ÿÿ to fix, so Start Over. Have ONE Arch deriv as
ÿÿ a VM ... do I try to FIX it, or just FLUSH it ???
ÿÿ DO remember when evil people managed to infiltrate
ÿÿ a MINT distro ... they didn't catch it right away.
ÿÿ A bud of mine at the office had just spent good
ÿÿ time installing MINT ... and was REALLY pissed when
ÿÿ I told him he'd have to flush it.
ÿÿ We usually look for hacks finding tiny flaws in
ÿÿ existing software - but the BEST hack is to get
ÿÿ into the base distro/repos themselves.
But they did not get into the base distro/repos, just into the community side, where a single person publishes his playground. Unverified.
ÿÿ Linux USED to be "safe" and "beyond notice". NOT
ÿÿ so anymore. Shit, 90 plus % of the firmware in the
ÿÿ world is Linux. The evil people have TAKEN NOTICE.
ÿÿ OK, big loss, just FLUSHED the Arch-based VM. SHIT !
On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 03:41:17 -0400, c186282 wrote:
TRIED it on Leap, and Fedora, far more problems.
On Leap 16 after installing the rpm from virtualbox.org it popped up a laundry list of requirements that looked like it was going to build a
kernel driver on site. That was similar to Mint, where VB would start but then said it needed packages that conflicted with the current software.
I was able to install it on Fedora by enabling the RPMFusion unfree repo. That went better. Then it got weird. I started with MX and it came up
once. I'd not selected the bridge option so it had a 10 series IP. I shut
it down, and selected the bridge. It seemed to start, put up the splash screen, and that was it. No desktop, no input from the mouse or keyboard.
I tried again with the same result.
I had a couple of other isos on the Fedora box. Both Mint and antiX
started and ran. With the bridge network option, both had 192.168.1.x addresses that I could ping from the host and the Leap box on the same
LAN,
I tried the kvm/QEMU MX VM to make sure it hadn't been affected with no problem.
Now if there could be a mind meld... VB is difficult/impossible to
install but handles the bridge nicely. kvm/QEMU is easy to install but the documentation on creating a bridge is obscure.
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 02:34:58 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Ever TRIED Win-1.x ??? It's just HORRIBLE - Commodore PCs had better
systems Oddly, HAVE a Byte Magazine with a REVIEW of Win-1.x ......
A friend jumped on the Windows bandwagon early and it was a painful
process. What became MSDN hung out on CompuServe and he spent a lot of
time there trying to get it to work. I wasn't interested. Obviously he was right and the future was GUIs. For what I was doing at the time graphics didn't add anything.
On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 20:01:09 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did you try any of the rpms provided by openSUSE or the community?
Yes. 'sudo zypper install virualbox' installs Oracle Virtual Box. You can open the application and try to create a VM. It says the driver is not
loaded or set up correctly and you should run /sbin/vboxconfig.
Running that say you have to install the virtualbox-host-source, kernel- devel, and kernel-default-devel. Assuming those all build and don't
require additional packages like make, which is not installed, I'm running SecureBoot and the kernel drivers would need to be signed,
I lost interest at that point. The community seems to be divided on
whether it will work anyway. As you know Leap 16 ain't Leap 15 so you have
to be very careful to check the datelines if available.
On Fedora, after adding the RPMFusion ppa, 'sudo dnf install virtualbox'
gets the job done. Or it may be VirtualBox. I recall something getting
fussy about case.
On 6/20/26 04:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-06-20 09:41, c186282 wrote:
On 6/19/26 12:56, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 02:50:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:
ÿÿÿ Gave it all a rest today, after being up to 5AM before. Still
have to
ÿÿÿ deal with the VBox 'extension pack', which is less friendly these >>>>> ÿÿÿ days. Simplest case I'll just link it to my little "NAS" so
files can
ÿÿÿ be shared. Using the 'bridged adapter' setting it IS on my local >>>>> ÿÿÿ network.
I tried installing VirtualBox on Leap 16. Not at all friendly.
ÿÿ VBox is NOT as easy/general as it used to be alas.
ÿÿ Sure you can $$$$$$Pay$$$$$$ for VM-Ware ....
ÿÿ Seems Oracle has kind of lost interest in VBox.
ÿÿ Some distros it will work, some it won't. No
ÿÿ good online solutions. Roll the dice.
ÿÿ On my current MX it works pretty well - except
ÿÿ the 'extension pack' stuff can be quirky, or
ÿÿ just unusable. Anyway, it's good enough so I
ÿÿ can eval new distros.
ÿÿ TRIED it on Leap, and Fedora, far more problems.
ÿÿ See the ARCH "AUR" distros were full of malware.
ÿÿ Arch is kinda FLUSHING those - too big a problem
ÿÿ to fix, so Start Over. Have ONE Arch deriv as
ÿÿ a VM ... do I try to FIX it, or just FLUSH it ???
ÿÿ DO remember when evil people managed to infiltrate
ÿÿ a MINT distro ... they didn't catch it right away.
ÿÿ A bud of mine at the office had just spent good
ÿÿ time installing MINT ... and was REALLY pissed when
ÿÿ I told him he'd have to flush it.
ÿÿ We usually look for hacks finding tiny flaws in
ÿÿ existing software - but the BEST hack is to get
ÿÿ into the base distro/repos themselves.
But they did not get into the base distro/repos, just into the
community side, where a single person publishes his playground.
Unverified.
ÿ YET that's where a LOT of the cool software is - so
ÿ everybody WILL/MUST use 'AUR'.
ÿ Look, if it's easily accessible by your distro, and
ÿ esp if it's Cool Stuff, then the distro people MUST
ÿ police that. Modern, nasty, world.
ÿ Linux has/had a rep for being solid. That was one of
ÿ the reasons many adopted it. If that perception is
ÿ now all WRONG then .......
ÿÿ Linux USED to be "safe" and "beyond notice". NOT
ÿÿ so anymore. Shit, 90 plus % of the firmware in the
ÿÿ world is Linux. The evil people have TAKEN NOTICE.
ÿÿ OK, big loss, just FLUSHED the Arch-based VM. SHIT !
ÿ Anyway, my long effort installing Endeavour is just GONE
ÿ now - FLUSH ! Don't know what bits of it to trust for
ÿ anything. WAY too old to spend six weeks in Intensive
ÿ Research/Testing. Am I supposed to use ghex to probe
ÿ every byte ???
ÿ Made a VDI of it ... but as soon as I want the disk space
ÿ back then it is FLUSH too. I'll check back when/if they
ÿ claim to have addressed The Problems.
On 6/21/26 02:44, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 02:34:58 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Ever TRIED Win-1.x ??? It's just HORRIBLE - Commodore PCs had better >>> systems Oddly, HAVE a Byte Magazine with a REVIEW of Win-1.x ......
A friend jumped on the Windows bandwagon early and it was a painful
process. What became MSDN hung out on CompuServe and he spent a lot of
time there trying to get it to work. I wasn't interested. Obviously he was >> right and the future was GUIs. For what I was doing at the time graphics
didn't add anything.
Well, with a VM, you can STILL have the Win-1.x Experience :-)
Wasn't even a good Apple clone ... more like ripped off from
the C-128, poorly.
The C-128 was ALMOST a good computer ... but they
foolishly stuck with basically an 8-bit chip and
that imposed serious limits.
The original cute little MAC came out shortly after
and blasted everything else off the consumer map.
NEVER liked the Apple 'intuitive' desktop though,
think Jobs and friends did a LOT of mescaline.
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 12:29:05 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I read that people installed it from the default or the virtualization
repo, and that was it. It just worked. I have not tried.
I can only report my experience with Leap 16 and the virtualbox7.2.6 rpm installed with zypper.
https://www.tecmint.com/install-virtualbox-in-opensuse/
"Once the repositories have been refreshed, you will need to install a few required packages for building VirtualBox kernel modules and header files using the following command.
$ sudo zypper install gcc make Perl kernel-devel dkms"
That's where I lost interest. The list I got was similar except perl and
gcc was already on the machine. Perhaps if you were already set up to
build kernel modules the rpm installation would automatically build and install them.
The zypper install process also reported 'data corruption detected', 'restored data doesn't match checksum', and several errors trying to set permissions in /usr/lib/virtualbox.to 4750 (wrong permission 0755)
https://forums.opensuse.org/t/virtualbox-under-leap-16-0/188647
Perhaps if someone really wanted to use VirtualBox they could make it
work. Having a VM that can be reached by other machines on the LAN isn't
that important.
On the Fedora box where it actually installs and works it uses 25% of the
CPU for an antiX VM. kvm/QEMU with a MX VM sometimes spikes up when
opening Firefox etc but then drops back to 2-3%.
Perhaps if someone really wanted to use VirtualBox they could make it
work. Having a VM that can be reached by other machines on the LAN isn't that important.
On the Fedora box where it actually installs and works it uses 25% of the CPU for an antiX VM. kvm/QEMU with a MX VM sometimes spikes up when
opening Firefox etc but then drops back to 2-3%.
On my two Deb/VBox machines (one running VBox 7.0.12,Similar here (XP VM)
the other one 7.2.0), VBox takes up about 5% CPU.
Mind you, that might be their XP VMs twiddling their thumbs...
On 2026-06-21 05:19, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2026 20:01:09 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Did you try any of the rpms provided by openSUSE or the community?
Yes. 'sudo zypper install virualbox' installs Oracle Virtual Box. You can
open the application and try to create a VM. It says the driver is not
loaded or set up correctly and you should run /sbin/vboxconfig.
Running that say you have to install the virtualbox-host-source, kernel-
devel, and kernel-default-devel. Assuming those all build and don't
require additional packages like make, which is not installed, I'm
running
SecureBoot and the kernel drivers would need to be signed,
I read that people installed it from the default or the virtualization
repo, and that was it. It just worked. I have not tried.
I lost interest at that point. The community seems to be divided on
whether it will work anyway. As you know Leap 16 ain't Leap 15 so you
have
to be very careful to check the datelines if available.
On Fedora, after adding the RPMFusion ppa, 'sudo dnf install virtualbox'
gets the job done. Or it may be VirtualBox. I recall something getting
fussy about case.
On 2026-06-21 07:06, c186282 wrote:
On 6/20/26 04:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-06-20 09:41, c186282 wrote:
On 6/19/26 12:56, rbowman wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2026 02:50:00 -0400, c186282 wrote:
ÿÿÿ Gave it all a rest today, after being up to 5AM before. Still >>>>>> have to
ÿÿÿ deal with the VBox 'extension pack', which is less friendly these >>>>>> ÿÿÿ days. Simplest case I'll just link it to my little "NAS" so
files can
ÿÿÿ be shared. Using the 'bridged adapter' setting it IS on my local >>>>>> ÿÿÿ network.
I tried installing VirtualBox on Leap 16. Not at all friendly.
ÿÿ VBox is NOT as easy/general as it used to be alas.
ÿÿ Sure you can $$$$$$Pay$$$$$$ for VM-Ware ....
ÿÿ Seems Oracle has kind of lost interest in VBox.
ÿÿ Some distros it will work, some it won't. No
ÿÿ good online solutions. Roll the dice.
ÿÿ On my current MX it works pretty well - except
ÿÿ the 'extension pack' stuff can be quirky, or
ÿÿ just unusable. Anyway, it's good enough so I
ÿÿ can eval new distros.
ÿÿ TRIED it on Leap, and Fedora, far more problems.
ÿÿ See the ARCH "AUR" distros were full of malware.
ÿÿ Arch is kinda FLUSHING those - too big a problem
ÿÿ to fix, so Start Over. Have ONE Arch deriv as
ÿÿ a VM ... do I try to FIX it, or just FLUSH it ???
ÿÿ DO remember when evil people managed to infiltrate
ÿÿ a MINT distro ... they didn't catch it right away.
ÿÿ A bud of mine at the office had just spent good
ÿÿ time installing MINT ... and was REALLY pissed when
ÿÿ I told him he'd have to flush it.
ÿÿ We usually look for hacks finding tiny flaws in
ÿÿ existing software - but the BEST hack is to get
ÿÿ into the base distro/repos themselves.
But they did not get into the base distro/repos, just into the
community side, where a single person publishes his playground.
Unverified.
ÿÿ YET that's where a LOT of the cool software is - so
ÿÿ everybody WILL/MUST use 'AUR'.
ÿÿ Look, if it's easily accessible by your distro, and
ÿÿ esp if it's Cool Stuff, then the distro people MUST
ÿÿ police that. Modern, nasty, world.
In openSUSE, they refuse, and insist on people not installing from the "home" repos.
On 2026-06-21, c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> wrote:
On 6/21/26 02:44, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 02:34:58 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Ever TRIED Win-1.x ??? It's just HORRIBLE - Commodore PCs had better >>>> systems Oddly, HAVE a Byte Magazine with a REVIEW of Win-1.x ......
Ever TRIED Win 11? It's just HORRIBLE too.
A friend jumped on the Windows bandwagon early and it was a painful
process. What became MSDN hung out on CompuServe and he spent a lot of
time there trying to get it to work. I wasn't interested. Obviously he was >>> right and the future was GUIs. For what I was doing at the time graphics >>> didn't add anything.
Well, with a VM, you can STILL have the Win-1.x Experience :-)
Wasn't even a good Apple clone ... more like ripped off from
the C-128, poorly.
The C-128 was ALMOST a good computer ... but they
foolishly stuck with basically an 8-bit chip and
that imposed serious limits.
Sort of like the IBM Personal Computer, which also had more
imposed limits so as not to complete with the Displaywriter.
The original cute little MAC came out shortly after
and blasted everything else off the consumer map.
NEVER liked the Apple 'intuitive' desktop though,
think Jobs and friends did a LOT of mescaline.
Intuitive? You mean the way an icon wouldn't change
when you clicked on it, so you had no visual feedback?
Or the way you would drag a floppy disk icon to the trash
to eject it? I almost lost my lunch the first time I saw
someone do that - I thought she had just wiped her floppy.
On 2026-06-21 19:34, rbowman wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 12:29:05 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I read that people installed it from the default or the virtualization
repo, and that was it. It just worked. I have not tried.
I can only report my experience with Leap 16 and the virtualbox7.2.6 rpm
installed with zypper.
virtualization repo has 7.2.10
But I'm not going to test it on this laptop. I will try in a month or two.
https://www.tecmint.com/install-virtualbox-in-opensuse/
"Once the repositories have been refreshed, you will need to install a
few
required packages for building VirtualBox kernel modules and header files
using the following command.
$ sudo zypper install gcc make Perl kernel-devel dkms"
I probably have those already installed in my main machine. Vmware is
the same.
That's where I lost interest. The list I got was similar except perl and
gcc was already on the machine. Perhaps if you were already set up to
build kernel modules the rpm installation would automatically build and
install them.
The zypper install process also reported 'data corruption detected',
'restored data doesn't match checksum', and several errors trying to set
permissions in /usr/lib/virtualbox.to 4750 (wrong permission 0755)
https://forums.opensuse.org/t/virtualbox-under-leap-16-0/188647
Perhaps if someone really wanted to use VirtualBox they could make it
work. Having a VM that can be reached by other machines on the LAN isn't
that important.
On the Fedora box where it actually installs and works it uses 25% of the
CPU for an antiX VM.ÿ kvm/QEMU with a MX VM sometimes spikes up when
opening Firefox etc but then drops back to 2-3%.
On 2026-06-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Perhaps if someone really wanted to use VirtualBox they could make it
work. Having a VM that can be reached by other machines on the LAN isn't
that important.
It is for me - it's my preferred method for moving files around.
I've made my peace with VirtualBox - I've managed to get it running
and keep it that way. I'm running Debian Bookworm, and have been
using VBox for the past <mumble> Debian releases.
On the Fedora box where it actually installs and works it uses 25% of the
CPU for an antiX VM. kvm/QEMU with a MX VM sometimes spikes up when
opening Firefox etc but then drops back to 2-3%.
On my two Deb/VBox machines (one running VBox 7.0.12,
the other one 7.2.0), VBox takes up about 5% CPU.
Mind you, that might be their XP VMs twiddling their thumbs...
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 19:49:32 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
virtualization repo has 7.2.10
I tried the 7.2.10 rpm from the virtualbox site. Same deal, some user assembly is required. kvm/QEMU works for what I do so I'm not highly motivated to put it on the Leap laptop.
On 21/06/2026 18:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On my two Deb/VBox machines (one running VBox 7.0.12,Similar here (XP VM)
the other one 7.2.0), VBox takes up about 5% CPU.
Mind you, that might be their XP VMs twiddling their thumbs...
CPU no issue. RAM however is a fixed 3GB loss
On Sun, 21 Jun 2026 22:39:30 -0400, c186282 wrote:
All docs about RPMFusion are now behind a "Let's See If You Are
Human" wall ... I won't play that fuckin' game.
Then your world is going to get smaller and smaller.
At least you get the
cute little elf or whatever it is and not the CloudFlare crap.
On 6/21/26 21:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/06/2026 18:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On my two Deb/VBox machines (one running VBox 7.0.12,Similar here (XP VM)
the other one 7.2.0), VBox takes up about 5% CPU.
Mind you, that might be their XP VMs twiddling their thumbs...
CPU no issue. RAM however is a fixed 3GB loss
ÿ Three GB ??? !!!
ÿ SOMETHING wrong there.
ÿ VBox is running slim and fast on my little MX laptop.
ÿ The thing doesn't know what 3GB even is.
ÿ Worst case I've had was with GhostBSD ... you need
ÿ to allocate a lot of virtual disk space and CPUs
ÿ DURING INSTALLATION. Once installed you can cut back
ÿ to sane levels.
On 22/06/2026 06:13, c186282 wrote:
On 6/21/26 21:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:3GB id what is assigned to windows XP to run. I tried 4 but it (XP) fell over in amazement that such a quantity of memory even existed.
On 21/06/2026 18:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On my two Deb/VBox machines (one running VBox 7.0.12,Similar here (XP VM)
the other one 7.2.0), VBox takes up about 5% CPU.
Mind you, that might be their XP VMs twiddling their thumbs...
CPU no issue. RAM however is a fixed 3GB loss
ÿÿ Three GB ??? !!!
ÿÿ SOMETHING wrong there.
ÿÿ VBox is running slim and fast on my little MX laptop.
ÿÿ The thing doesn't know what 3GB even is.
ÿÿ Worst case I've had was with GhostBSD ... you need
ÿÿ to allocate a lot of virtual disk space and CPUs
ÿÿ DURING INSTALLATION. Once installed you can cut back
ÿÿ to sane levels.
Are you confusing on disk storage with working RAM?
On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 10:20:01 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
3GB id what is assigned to windows XP to run. I tried 4 but it (XP) fell
over in amazement that such a quantity of memory even existed.
I wonder if that's related to vfat refusing to believe a file can be over
4 GB?
On 21/06/2026 18:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On my two Deb/VBox machines (one running VBox 7.0.12,
the other one 7.2.0), VBox takes up about 5% CPU.
Mind you, that might be their XP VMs twiddling their thumbs...
Similar here (XP VM)
CPU no issue. RAM however is a fixed 3GB loss
Amiga kind of tried ... but by then Commodore was
losing momentum. And the A-1000 ... SO many "Guru
Meditation" messages I basically threw it away.
On 6/21/26 13:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2026-06-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Perhaps if someone really wanted to use VirtualBox they could make it
work. Having a VM that can be reached by other machines on the LAN isn't >>> that important.
It is for me - it's my preferred method for moving files around.
I've made my peace with VirtualBox - I've managed to get it running
and keep it that way. I'm running Debian Bookworm, and have been
using VBox for the past <mumble> Debian releases.
I used to use SAMBA for everything - then IT got weird.
None of my usual setups worked right. Had to use No File
Security for my little home 'NAS'. Works, but NOT nearly
as fine-tweakable as SAMBA.
Made some 'standard' lines for 'fstab' and always use the
same dir/subdirs for NFS. Quick to install. This CAN be used
with VBox VMs if you can't get the damned 'extension pack'
and such working.
Used to have an XP VM ... dunno what's become of it.
Liked Win2K better, but a lot of software now won't
run on it.
On 2026-06-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 21/06/2026 18:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On my two Deb/VBox machines (one running VBox 7.0.12,
the other one 7.2.0), VBox takes up about 5% CPU.
Mind you, that might be their XP VMs twiddling their thumbs...
Similar here (XP VM)
CPU no issue. RAM however is a fixed 3GB loss
I guess I'm running simpler stuff on my XP VMs;
they're quite happy with the 512MB I give them.
On 22/06/2026 18:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2026-06-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 21/06/2026 18:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On my two Deb/VBox machines (one running VBox 7.0.12,
the other one 7.2.0), VBox takes up about 5% CPU.
Mind you, that might be their XP VMs twiddling their thumbs...
Similar here (XP VM)
CPU no issue. RAM however is a fixed 3GB loss
I guess I'm running simpler stuff on my XP VMs;
they're quite happy with the 512MB I give them.
My XP VM does real work using CAD software. It needs all it can get
I used Samba to transfer files back and forth between my Amiga and
Windows boxes. It worked well, but I haven't had occasion to use it
since. Microsoft issued a patch to Windows which would send an
invalid command to Samba servers on initial connection; if the error
message that came back wasn't formatted exactly the way a Windows
server did it, it would refuse to connect. It took Amiga programmers
only a few days to issue a patch for that one.
What's wrong with bridged networking (for wired ethernet)?
On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 09:27:22 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
rbowman wrote:
a clean, up to date document on creating a bridge for QEMU would be
nice. Screwing around with 'sudo ip link ....' makes me nervous. It
took a bit to get rid of the bridge on the Fedora box.
What's wrong with bridged networking (for wired ethernet)?
Adding a switch is exactly what you'd do in the world of physical
networks, a L2 switch is just a multi-port bridge ...
Nothing would be wrong if it had worked. Perhaps I didn't create the
bridge correctly.
On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 17:07:25 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
I used Samba to transfer files back and forth between my Amiga and
Windows boxes. It worked well, but I haven't had occasion to use it
since. Microsoft issued a patch to Windows which would send an
invalid command to Samba servers on initial connection; if the error
message that came back wasn't formatted exactly the way a Windows
server did it, it would refuse to connect. It took Amiga programmers
only a few days to issue a patch for that one.
Are you running an Amiga-specific Samba fork?
That doesn?t sound very healthy ...
On 22/06/2026 18:07, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On 2026-06-22, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:My XP VM does real work using CAD software. It needs all it can get
On 21/06/2026 18:49, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
On my two Deb/VBox machines (one running VBox 7.0.12,
the other one 7.2.0), VBox takes up about 5% CPU.
Mind you, that might be their XP VMs twiddling their thumbs...
Similar here (XP VM)
CPU no issue. RAM however is a fixed 3GB loss
I guess I'm running simpler stuff on my XP VMs;
they're quite happy with the 512MB I give them.
HAD to go to NFS on my little home 'NAS' ...
ÿ but don't LIKE it.
On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 04:32:24 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 6/22/26 09:46, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 09:27:22 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
rbowman wrote:
a clean, up to date document on creating a bridge for QEMU would be
nice. Screwing around with 'sudo ip link ....' makes me nervous. It
took a bit to get rid of the bridge on the Fedora box.
What's wrong with bridged networking (for wired ethernet)?
Adding a switch is exactly what you'd do in the world of physical
networks, a L2 switch is just a multi-port bridge ...
Nothing would be wrong if it had worked. Perhaps I didn't create the
bridge correctly.
VBox, it Just Works first time :-)
After you find a distro where it will work at all...
On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 04:32:24 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 6/22/26 09:46, rbowman wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2026 09:27:22 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:
rbowman wrote:
a clean, up to date document on creating a bridge for QEMU would be
nice. Screwing around with 'sudo ip link ....' makes me nervous. It
took a bit to get rid of the bridge on the Fedora box.
What's wrong with bridged networking (for wired ethernet)?
Adding a switch is exactly what you'd do in the world of physical
networks, a L2 switch is just a multi-port bridge ...
Nothing would be wrong if it had worked. Perhaps I didn't create the
bridge correctly.
VBox, it Just Works first time :-)
After you find a distro where it will work at all...
On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 21:57:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Interesting that it builds the modules for the 6.17.0.14-generic kernel
while it seems to be a DIY process for Leap 16. Among other things the
error dialog on Leap 16 says it requires make, gcc, and kernel-devel
headers. The Mint box does not have make.
On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 11:51:24 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-06-24 03:34, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 21:57:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Interesting that it builds the modules for the 6.17.0.14-generic kernel
while it seems to be a DIY process for Leap 16. Among other things the
error dialog on Leap 16 says it requires make, gcc, and kernel-devel
headers. The Mint box does not have make.
There is a new iso, announced yesterday.
I got further with 7.0.16 on Mint but it still wasn't a success. My first attempt was TrixiePup64. The VM started up but was a terminal, not a
desktop and reported it had exited from labwc. startlabwc also exited immediately.
Next up was the Leap 16 offline iso. The initial screen had 4 options,
boot from a DVD, install Leap, safely install Leap or exit. Choosing
install brought up the familiar Agama installer. I selected Xfce for
variety and started the install. The Mint machine isn't the fastest so
that took a while before the screen announced it had been successfully installed and to reboot. Rebooting brought up the initial installation screen, not Leap 16.
To make sure the new VB modules hadn't affected kvm_intel I created a TrixiePup64 VM which started up with labwc.
So in my experience the RPMFusion version on Fedora 44 is the only one
that installs correctly and works. It is 7.2.8, not the 7.0.16 Ubuntu version. fwiw lsmod on Fedora also shows the vbox* modules.
On 2026-06-24 20:07, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 11:51:24 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-06-24 03:34, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 21:57:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Interesting that it builds the modules for the 6.17.0.14-generic kernel >>>> while it seems to be a DIY process for Leap 16. Among other things the >>>> error dialog on Leap 16 says it requires make, gcc, and kernel-devel
headers. The Mint box does not have make.
There is a new iso, announced yesterday.
I got further with 7.0.16 on Mint but it still wasn't a success. My first
attempt was TrixiePup64. The VM started up but was a terminal, not a
desktop and reported it had exited from labwc. startlabwc also exited
immediately.
Next up was the Leap 16 offline iso. The initial screen had 4 options,
boot from a DVD, install Leap, safely install Leap or exit. Choosing
install brought up the familiar Agama installer. I selected Xfce for
variety and started the install. The Mint machine isn't the fastest so
that took a while before the screen announced it had been successfully
installed and to reboot. Rebooting brought up the initial installation
screen, not Leap 16.
Did you remove the DVD/USB first?
On Thu, 25 Jun 2026 12:02:52 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
2026-06-24 20:07, rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 24 Jun 2026 11:51:24 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2026-06-24 03:34, rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 21:57:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Interesting that it builds the modules for the 6.17.0.14-generic
kernel while it seems to be a DIY process for Leap 16. Among other
things the error dialog on Leap 16 says it requires make, gcc, and
kernel-devel headers. The Mint box does not have make.
There is a new iso, announced yesterday.
I got further with 7.0.16 on Mint but it still wasn't a success. My
first attempt was TrixiePup64. The VM started up but was a terminal,
not a desktop and reported it had exited from labwc. startlabwc also
exited immediately.
Next up was the Leap 16 offline iso. The initial screen had 4 options,
boot from a DVD, install Leap, safely install Leap or exit. Choosing
install brought up the familiar Agama installer. I selected Xfce for
variety and started the install. The Mint machine isn't the fastest so
that took a while before the screen announced it had been successfully
installed and to reboot. Rebooting brought up the initial installation
screen, not Leap 16.
Did you remove the DVD/USB first?
That's the fun part. There never was a DVD/USB. The first screen of
creating a new VM in VirtualBox asks for an ISO image. That image is in a directory on the host machine.
I tried to create a Leap 16 VM on the Fedora box. I got as far as the
Agama screen where you select the Leap 16 install. VB was using 100% of
the CPU and I ran out of patience waiting for the button to become active.
I then tried TrixiePup64. Like on the Mint machine it comes up as a
terminal session because labwc won't start.
Both work with kvm/QEMU. As I said before if VirtualBox works for someone they should use it. For me it fails to cleanly install on Leap 16, and doesn't work on Fedora or Mint.
On Fri, 26 Jun 2026 10:52:44 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Ok, same thing. You have to disconnect that ISO from VB.
However you're supposed to do that. I'm done. I don't need VB.
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