Crosspost between alt.comp.software.firefox and comp.mobile.android.

What the hell did they do to the menu in Firefox for Android 148? They
went from a small, accessible menu to a gigantic monster.

<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/explore-firefox-android-menu>

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 12:43:49 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

I think the change was in v147, I find it ok on a tablet, haven't really taken much notice on phone

Apparently this started in 141, but yesterday was the first time I
noticed the change (and I use Fx daily). I don't like it at all; my
thumb isn't long enough to operate it.

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Andy Burns wrote:

s|b wrote:

Crosspost between alt.comp.software.firefox and comp.mobile.android.

What the hell did they do to the menu in Firefox for Android 148? They
went from a small, accessible menu to a gigantic monster.

I think the change was in v147, I find it ok on a tablet, haven't really taken much notice on phone

Me neither. As far as I can tell, it wasn't a major paradigm shift.

But of course, other peoples' MMV.

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s|b wrote:

Crosspost between alt.comp.software.firefox and comp.mobile.android.

What the hell did they do to the menu in Firefox for Android 148? They
went from a small, accessible menu to a gigantic monster.

<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/explore-firefox-android-menu>

So maybe give Fennec a try to see, if it better fits your needs: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.mozilla.fennec_fdroid/

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 06:09:04 -0800, John C. wrote:

Me neither. As far as I can tell, it wasn't a major paradigm shift.

But of course, other peoples' MMV.

Et tu, John?

You're always the first to cry wolf when they change stuff, but you're
OK with this... monster?

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 13:27:04 +0100, s|b wrote:

Crosspost between alt.comp.software.firefox and comp.mobile.android.

What the hell did they do to the menu in Firefox for Android 148? They
went from a small, accessible menu to a gigantic monster.

<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/explore-firefox-android-menu>

Got it back, for now, tnx to Reddit: <https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1r36l47/ive_got_a_new_ui_on_firefox_for_android_which_im/>

| Settings | About | Firefox.
|
| Tap the logo multiple times until the developers settings are enabled.
|
| Go to Settings | Secret Settings
|
| There, toggle off : Toolbar Customization, Redesigned Toolbar, Composable Toolbar, and at the bottom, Tab Manager Enhancements ..
|
| Kill and restart Firefox.
|
| Edit: For some, settings take effect immediately without the need to kill and restart Firefox.

According to Mozilla, it can't be done. Liars.

<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/explore-firefox-android-menu#w_can-i-switch-back-to-the-old-menu-design>

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s|b, 2026-02-28 13:27:

Crosspost between alt.comp.software.firefox and comp.mobile.android.

What the hell did they do to the menu in Firefox for Android 148? They
went from a small, accessible menu to a gigantic monster.

<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/explore-firefox-android-menu>

Well - a *small* menu is *not* accessible on touch screens.


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On 2/28/26 7:27 AM, s|b wrote:

Crosspost between alt.comp.software.firefox and comp.mobile.android.

What the hell did they do to the menu in Firefox for Android 148? They
went from a small, accessible menu to a gigantic monster.

<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/explore-firefox-android-menu>

Interesting.
I looked at that reddit page and tried the changes but I don't see any difference.
Besides, I find it quite usable. Not gaudy or big.

And I do have 148 per the play store. Google Pixel 6a

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> Wrote in message:

s|b wrote:

Crosspost between alt.comp.software.firefox and comp.mobile.android.

What the hell did they do to the menu in Firefox for Android 148? They
went from a small, accessible menu to a gigantic monster.

I think the change was in v147, I find it ok on a tablet, haven't really taken much notice on phone

I use the Beta version and this menu change happened some some
months ago. It was slightly irritating at first but I soon got
used to it. But this is a tablet too - I haven't seen it on a
phone.

I changed to Beta to get a proper tab-bar on top, like on desktop.
Has that arrived on Release yet? Fenix was always designed
primarily for phones.
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 16:41:36 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:

Well - a *small* menu is *not* accessible on touch screens.

It /is/ on my Pixel 10's touch screen.

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 17:08:08 -0500, Alan K. wrote:

Interesting.
I looked at that reddit page and tried the changes but I don't see any difference.
Besides, I find it quite usable. Not gaudy or big.

And I do have 148 per the play store. Google Pixel 6a

148 on a Pixel 10. After the changes I got the old menu back:

<https://i.postimg.cc/sDrgXjTn/share-1387536287368601201.png>

I hope it's a keeper, because I really don't like the new menu.

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On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 10:39:36 +0100, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:

I followed that procedure and so far it has not made any difference.
Just for giggles, I've powered my phone off and will start it up again
in a couple of minutes (I'm not that good at multitasking).

I rebooted my phone /and/ I then manually killed Firefox.

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 17:08:08 -0500, Alan K. wrote:

Interesting.
I looked at that reddit page and tried the changes but I don't see any difference.
Besides, I find it quite usable. Not gaudy or big.

And I do have 148 per the play store. Google Pixel 6a

Forgot to tell: after I made the change in Secret Settings I rebooted my
phone and then manually killed Firefox.

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On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 13:16:18 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

When I'm in portrait mode on the tablet, and I "unfurl" the More and Extensions sections, it does take pretty much the whole screen
(9.1" 1440x2304).

Now imagine this on a smartphone.

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s|b, 2026-03-01 13:47:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 16:41:36 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:

Well - a *small* menu is *not* accessible on touch screens.

It /is/ on my Pixel 10's touch screen.

Not everybody has a Pixel 10. There are also devices with smaller screens.


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On 26/02/28 07:13 AM, s|b wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2026 06:09:04 -0800, John C. wrote:

Me neither. As far as I can tell, it wasn't a major paradigm shift.

But of course, other peoples' MMV.

Et tu, John?

You're always the first to cry wolf when they change stuff, but you're
OK with this... monster?

I started using an Android phone only this year, so it may be that for
me the change wasn't that drastic.

I do know that yesterday or the day before, there was a change on my
Samsung phone that makes it impossible to go back to an earlier version
of an "app". *That* sucks.

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John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Thread drift:]

I do know that yesterday or the day before, there was a change on my
Samsung phone that makes it impossible to go back to an earlier version
of an "app". *That* sucks.

It it's an add-on (i.e. not pre-installed) non-paid app, you can
probably 'sideload' an older version from one of the many third-party app-stores. I mainly use(d) apkpure.com.

If this concerns one specific app, then please give the 'id=...'
identifier (or full URL) of the apps entry on the Google Play website.

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On Sun, 01 Mar 2026 19:09:58 +0100, s|b wrote:

On Sun, 1 Mar 2026 13:16:18 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

When I'm in portrait mode on the tablet, and I "unfurl" the More
and Extensions sections, it does take pretty much the whole screen
(9.1" 1440x2304).

Now imagine this on a smartphone.

Remember that it was the Android ecosystem that created the ?phablet?
concept ...

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On 26/03/02 06:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Thread drift:]

I do know that yesterday or the day before, there was a change on my
Samsung phone that makes it impossible to go back to an earlier version
of an "app". *That* sucks.

It it's an add-on (i.e. not pre-installed) non-paid app, you can
probably 'sideload' an older version from one of the many third-party app-stores. I mainly use(d) apkpure.com.

If this concerns one specific app, then please give the 'id=...'
identifier (or full URL) of the apps entry on the Google Play website.

No, it didn't concern one specific app. The information came from a notification when I updated Android AND Samsung things. AI says:

"Recent Android and Samsung updates (including One UI 6 and later)
strengthen security by preventing downgrades to older app versions,
often resulting in an INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE error. This
restriction is designed to stop security vulnerabilities, potential
privilege escalation, and data exfiltration. While some system apps can
be reverted to factory settings, third-party apps are generally locked
to the updated version."

Also: __________________________________________________________________________________
Key Reasons and Limitations:

Security Restrictions: The update prevents downgrading to prevent, bugs, stability issues, and security vulnerabilities, as noted by users and
experts on Samsung Community (https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/samsung-lounge/can-i-revert-one-ui-6-0-update/td-p/8790916)
and Esper.io (https://www.esper.io/blog/android-system-app-downgrade-vulnerability-fix).

System Apps: You can often only roll back to the "factory version" of a
system app by going to Settings > Apps, selecting the app, and choosing "Uninstall updates" from the three-dot menu, as explained in this
AirDroid article.

Third-Party Apps: Downgrading is generally not supported for
user-installed apps. Attempts to do so often fail.

Alternatives: If you must use an older version, you would have to
uninstall the app, find an older version (APK) on a site like APKMirror,
and install it, though this can cause issues. __________________________________________________________________________________

I hope this answers your question.

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John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 26/03/02 06:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Thread drift:]

I do know that yesterday or the day before, there was a change on my
Samsung phone that makes it impossible to go back to an earlier version
of an "app". *That* sucks.

It it's an add-on (i.e. not pre-installed) non-paid app, you can
probably 'sideload' an older version from one of the many third-party app-stores. I mainly use(d) apkpure.com.

If this concerns one specific app, then please give the 'id=...' identifier (or full URL) of the apps entry on the Google Play website.

No, it didn't concern one specific app. The information came from a notification when I updated Android AND Samsung things. AI says:

Thanks. So much for 'AI'.

"Recent Android and Samsung updates (including One UI 6 and later)
strengthen security by preventing downgrades to older app versions,
often resulting in an INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE error. This restriction is designed to stop security vulnerabilities, potential
privilege escalation, and data exfiltration. While some system apps can
be reverted to factory settings, third-party apps are generally locked
to the updated version."

The reference you gave

(https://www.esper.io/blog/android-system-app-downgrade-vulnerability-fix).o

*actually* says:

"Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE: System app:
com.google.android.apps.wellbeing cannot be downgraded to older than
its preloaded version on the system image. Update version code 439367
is older than 452937"

So a *pre-installed* (factory supplied) app can not be downgraded to
an older version than originally came with the device. Duh!

This has nothing to do with add-on apps, i.e. the apps you installed
later.

Also: __________________________________________________________________________________
Key Reasons and Limitations:

Security Restrictions: The update prevents downgrading to prevent, bugs, stability issues, and security vulnerabilities, as noted by users and
experts on Samsung Community (https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/samsung-lounge/can-i-revert-one-ui-6-0-update/td-p/8790916)

This is about not being able to downgrade Samsung's One UI, which is
indeed true. Just like you can not downgrade Android to an earlier
version.

I have never had a problem with either, but not being able to
downgrade One UI and Android is indeed a fact of life.

It's basically the same for most OSs, including Windows. But with
non-mobile OSs, you can sometimes *re-install* (not downgrade to) an
older version, which is (very) hard to 'impossible' on a monbile-OS.

[...]

I hope this answers your question.

I hope this eases your concerns! :-)

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On 26/03/03 11:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

On 26/03/02 06:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Thread drift:]

I do know that yesterday or the day before, there was a change on my
Samsung phone that makes it impossible to go back to an earlier version >>>> of an "app". *That* sucks.

It it's an add-on (i.e. not pre-installed) non-paid app, you can
probably 'sideload' an older version from one of the many third-party
app-stores. I mainly use(d) apkpure.com.

If this concerns one specific app, then please give the 'id=...'
identifier (or full URL) of the apps entry on the Google Play website.

No, it didn't concern one specific app. The information came from a
notification when I updated Android AND Samsung things. AI says:

Thanks. So much for 'AI'.

"Recent Android and Samsung updates (including One UI 6 and later)
strengthen security by preventing downgrades to older app versions,
often resulting in an INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE error. This
restriction is designed to stop security vulnerabilities, potential
privilege escalation, and data exfiltration. While some system apps can
be reverted to factory settings, third-party apps are generally locked
to the updated version."

The reference you gave

(https://www.esper.io/blog/android-system-app-downgrade-vulnerability-fix).o

*actually* says:

"Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_VERSION_DOWNGRADE: System app:
com.google.android.apps.wellbeing cannot be downgraded to older than
its preloaded version on the system image. Update version code 439367
is older than 452937"

So a *pre-installed* (factory supplied) app can not be downgraded to
an older version than originally came with the device. Duh!

This has nothing to do with add-on apps, i.e. the apps you installed
later.

Also:
__________________________________________________________________________________
Key Reasons and Limitations:

Security Restrictions: The update prevents downgrading to prevent, bugs,
stability issues, and security vulnerabilities, as noted by users and
experts on Samsung Community
(https://eu.community.samsung.com/t5/samsung-lounge/can-i-revert-one-ui-6-0-update/td-p/8790916)

This is about not being able to downgrade Samsung's One UI, which is
indeed true. Just like you can not downgrade Android to an earlier
version.

I have never had a problem with either, but not being able to
downgrade One UI and Android is indeed a fact of life.

It's basically the same for most OSs, including Windows. But with non-mobile OSs, you can sometimes *re-install* (not downgrade to) an
older version, which is (very) hard to 'impossible' on a monbile-OS.

[...]

I hope this answers your question.

I hope this eases your concerns! :-)

The problem, Frank, is that the message I saw disappeared when I bought
the bullet and went ahead with the update on my phone. I don't have an
eidetic memory, so I can't tell you verbatim what it said.

Regardless, yes, you've eased my concern. Thanks for that.

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