Off-topic discussion to ask how we can get Frank Slootweg to stop trolling.
Given this year we're trying hard to not respond to the incessant personal attacks from the likes of the Frank Slootweg trolls, we can use this placeholder thread to document the many trolls by Frank Slootweg w/o responding directly to his incessant never-ending personal attacks in the technical threads where Frank Slootweg attempts to derail important topics
to defending against his attacks.
It takes hours to document the original posts in any technical thread.
It takes Frank Slootweg mere seconds to derail topics he doesn't like.
It's unfair to all the work the rest of us invest in technical topics.
And hence, it needs to be publicly pointed out and saved for posterity.
The hope is that Frank Slootweg will STOP his incessant trolling attacks.
And begin to helpfully contribute to the technical topics being discussed.
Cross your fingers... and hope...
Regarding this technical thread about contacts privacy on this newsgroup:
From: Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com>
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Subject: How many apps on your phone have contacts read permission?
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2026 16:51:26 -0500
Message-ID: <10mg98t$pig$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
I have 78 or 79, including system apps that have read permission to my
contacts, although none of them can get even a single contact from me.
How many do you have?
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This is Frank Slootweg's contribution to this privacy-strategy discussion:
From: Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: How many apps on your phone have contacts read permission?
Date: 14 Feb 2026 10:38:36 GMT
Message-ID: <10mpmrf.18m8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>
Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-02-13 18:34, Maria Sophia wrote:[...]
That's your claim, and we do not accept it. We are all respectful of other people privacy when using the Android contact app.
I think it's rather disrespectful of 'Arlen' to put the names
and e-mail addresses of his contacts "on the cloud".
And no 'Arlen', this is not trolling, this is just exposing
the inconsistency in your argument.
And yes 'Arlen', I've made this argument before and you ignored it
and silently snipped it. We wonder why.
Did Franklin report to the team how many apps had his read permission?
Given Frank clearly deprecatres Arlen I will publicly state I will call him Franklin only when he uses "Arlen" (yet Frank otherwise) to make a point.
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote:
[...]
Given Frank clearly deprecatres Arlen I will publicly state I will call him >> Franklin only when he uses "Arlen" (yet Frank otherwise) to make a point.
I use 'Arlen' because that's an old nym of yours which is used by many
to indicate who we're talking about c.q. addressing. That you use
umpteen nyms, doesn't mean that we have to. Anyway, calling you, a male, 'Maria Sophia' is a tad silly, don't you agree?
So my use of 'Arlen' is just that, nothing less, nothing more.
If you prefer another common, non-changing, 'name' to address you,
then say so, and I/we will see what I/we can/want_to do.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Given Frank clearly deprecatres Arlen I will publicly state I will call himI use 'Arlen' because that's an old nym of yours which is used by many >> to indicate who we're talking about c.q. addressing. That you use
Franklin only when he uses "Arlen" (yet Frank otherwise) to make a point. >>
umpteen nyms, doesn't mean that we have to. Anyway, calling you, a male, >> 'Maria Sophia' is a tad silly, don't you agree?
In some countries would have him in court.
So my use of 'Arlen' is just that, nothing less, nothing more.
If you prefer another common, non-changing, 'name' to address you,
then say so, and I/we will see what I/we can/want_to do.
I refuse to call him Maria.
If anyone thinks my real name is Maria, then... well... let's just say it's not. Besides, I'm German. So it would be Marius instead. :) Rest assured
all you need to do is reply to the content as that's all which matters.
The point of this thread is I am simply asking Frank (whom I'll call
Franklin when he calls me Arlin, to make a point) to stop trolling this ng.
Frank calls me a troll,
Frank incessantly trolls this group, and this thread is simply a strategic approach to ask Frank publicly, openly, and politely, to stop trolling us.
Please look at his recent riddles where he endlessly trolled Richmond only today, which you can find in the thread specifically about the sqlite db.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Carlos... Do you agree that is a troll as he strings Richmond along time
& again? Is that how you think an open and honest technical discussion should be?
Is that how you think an open and honest technical discussion should be?
Do you agree that is a troll as he strings Richmond along time & again?
Off-topic discussion to ask how we can get Frank Slootweg to stop trolling.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
Carlos... Do you agree that is a troll as he strings Richmond along
time & again? Is that how you think an open and honest technical
discussion should be?
Would you like we put a public vote about who is the troll here,
democratically?
I get it that you're desperate to change the subject, where this thread is about politely asking Frank Slootweg to stop trolling us.
Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> wrote:
[Nearly all deleted.]
I'm not going to address your multitude of misunderstandings, misinterpretations, misrepresentations, etc., because there's just no
point. I don't think that any of it makes *me* look bad, so why worry
about it.
So I'll limit it to just one correction of a clear falsehood and a clarification.
Did Franklin report to the team how many apps had his read permission?
Yes, I did and gave details and you responded to my response. So if
you 'forgot' that that happened, you have only yourself to blame.
[...]
Given Frank clearly deprecatres Arlen I will publicly state I will call him >> Franklin only when he uses "Arlen" (yet Frank otherwise) to make a point.
I use 'Arlen' because that's an old nym of yours which is used by many
to indicate who we're talking about c.q. addressing.
That you use
umpteen nyms, doesn't mean that we have to. Anyway, calling you, a male, 'Maria Sophia' is a tad silly, don't you agree?
So my use of 'Arlen' is just that, nothing less, nothing more.
If you prefer another common, non-changing, 'name' to address you,
then say so, and I/we will see what I/we can/want_to do.
Off-topic discussion to ask how we can get Frank Slootweg to stop trolling.
Given this year we're trying hard to not respond to the incessant personal
It takes hours to document the original posts in any technical thread.
It takes Frank Slootweg mere seconds to derail topics he doesn't like.
On 2026-02-15 20:12, Maria Sophia wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
...
Carlos... Do you agree that is a troll as he strings Richmond along time
& again? Is that how you think an open and honest technical discussion
should be?
Would you like we put a public vote about who is the troll here, democratically?
Carlos E. R. wrote:
I get it that you're desperate to change the subject, where this
thread is
about politely asking Frank Slootweg to stop trolling us.
But he is not.
I don't understand how you can say Frank is not trolling us when you first haven't even bothered to look at the two trolls that I pointed out already.
I don't want this thread to be about you, but if you can't apply Occam's Razor, then your opinion is meaningless since you don't base it on facts.
Look at the two temporal trolls (that happened just this week) that I
pointed out in this thread, and tell me why you think they're not trolls.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
That would not be fair, because I am refraining myself
You have no right to claim Frank isn't trolling us without looking at the trolls and letting us know why you repeatedly defend his trolling of us.
You're not being fair to your own opinion.
I don't understand how you can say Frank is not trolling us when you first haven't even bothered to look at the two trolls that I pointed out
already.
I don't want this thread to be about you,
but if you can't apply Occam's Razor, then your opinion is meaningless
since you don't base it on facts.
Look at the two temporal trolls (that happened just this week) that I
pointed out in this thread, and tell me why you think they're not trolls.
Arlen,
I don't understand how you can say Frank is not trolling us when you first >> haven't even bothered to look at the two trolls that I pointed out
already.
You have called pretty-much everyone who had the audacity not to agree with you a troll - including me. As a result your claim that someone is a troll has zero value to me.
I don't want this thread to be about you,
Good, lets keep talking about you, shall we ?
but if you can't apply Occam's Razor, then your opinion is meaningless
since you don't base it on facts.
Nope, not about you. Rejected.
Look at the two temporal trolls (that happened just this week) that I
pointed out in this thread, and tell me why you think they're not trolls.
Nope, not about you either. Rejected.
Have I ever told you that your attempts to change the subject are a *little* transparent ? Well, they are. :-)
Carlos E. R. wrote:
We don't accept you opinion on this.
Hi Carlos,
This thread is simply to ask Frank publicly openly & honestly to stop trolling this newsgroup (and I presented the trolls as proof of fact).
Arno Welzel wrote:
Just don't reply and don't start "discussions" like this...
If Frank stops trolling this newsgeroup, there would be no need to ask
Frank politely to stop trolling this newsgroup.
Chris wrote:
Given this year we're trying hard to not respond to the incessant personal >>Is that the royal "we"? This is only something you can impose on yourself. >> And it's been great, while it lasted.
This isn't about you. this isn't about me. This is about politely asking Frank Slootweg to stop trolling this newsgroup.
Note that Frank is put on notice that if he continues to incessantly troll this newsgroup with is "mock surprise riddles", I will post them here.
Frank Slootweg wrote:You're too much of a narcissist NOT to read anything you think might
ÿ You owe me a new laptop for posting stuff like that without a beverage
alert!
Hi Frank,
Speaking of humor...
I read *all* your posts, so I'm aware of which are trolls and which are not trolls, where I'm aware of the "troll thread" about me which is hilarious since it's only the trolls responding (e.g., Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz).
Even you must agree it's funny for Joerg Lorenz to claim anyone is a troll. Right? Or Alan Baker, right?
Maria Sophia, 2026-02-16 20:41:
Arno Welzel wrote:
Just don't reply and don't start "discussions" like this...
If Frank stops trolling this newsgeroup, there would be no need to ask
Frank politely to stop trolling this newsgroup.
Trolls want responses. If no one responds to troll posts, it becomes
boring for the troll and he will eventually stop. It's that simple.
The only other alternative would be to block the trolls user account.
But first of all this will usually not happen just because some people complaining about trolling and he can just move on to another server or create a different account and continue.
Arno Welzel wrote:
Maria Sophia, 2026-02-16 20:41:
Arno Welzel wrote:
Just don't reply and don't start "discussions" like this...
If Frank stops trolling this newsgeroup, there would be no need to ask
Frank politely to stop trolling this newsgroup.
Trolls want responses. If no one responds to troll posts, it becomes
boring for the troll and he will eventually stop. It's that simple.
The only other alternative would be to block the trolls user account.
But first of all this will usually not happen just because some people
complaining about trolling and he can just move on to another server or
create a different account and continue.
Hi Arno,
I respect your acumen. And that of Carlos. And Chris. And yes, even Frank.
Frank has the capacity to add value. He just chooses not to.
That's not all.
Frank has the capacity to NOT insult me in his many posts on this ng.
Again, he just chooses not to.
All I'm openly & honestly asking Frank to do in this thread is to cut it
out. If Frank does that, then this thread will have served its purpose.
However... to your point...
I think we need to take into account Occam's Razor when we claim that the solution to stop trolls is to stop feeding them since I think that's not
the full solution when you take into account variety of troll techniques.
Frank's 'mock-surprise' trolls are vastly different than Joerg Lorenz's trolls, for example, but if we look at each one, they troll differently.
Would you agree that almost nobody responds to Joerg Lorenz' trolls? Certainly I never do.
And yet, he trolls.
So, "not feeding him" doesn't seem to have any effect on his actions.
But, Joerg Lorenz' trolls are different from Frank Slootweg's trolls.
And therein lies the reason "this thread" can cut down on them.
Joerg, let's just cut to the point, is an idiot who can't add value.
He's desperate to try, so what his trolls invariably are consist of
1. Mostly he denies anything he doesn't liek that someone says
ÿÿ (without ever proposing a counter argument of course)
2. But almost as often, he picks a troll and amplifies it
ÿÿ (that way the two trolls can reinforce each other
Once in a while, people who aren't trolls at heart (such as Carlos or
Chris) will amplify the trolls' trolls, and in some of those cases, I
simply ask them not to do that (because we're forced to see it).
Having said that, Frank Slootweg's trolls are similar in that he very often amplifies other trolls, particularly when it's attacking me personally.
If you think I need to validate that statement of fact, then just ask.
As the evidence is ample not only on this ng but on Windows ngs too.
Given Frank has taken a personal slant to his trolls against me, you should understand why I'm asking Frank openly & honestly here to cut it out.
Seriously.
Think about this fact.
How hard would it be for Frank Slootweg to NOT incessantly hurl insults at
me in his many posts to not only the Windows newsgroups but to Usenet
server, reader & peering ngs too, in addition to this Android newsgroup?
Frank's "mock-surprise" riddle discussed in this thread is his attempt, in
my opinion, to prove is suppsosed clever superiority over me, where the
tell is in teh fact that he refused Richmond's many requests (and mine) to back up his claim.
Do you remember what Frank said when we asked? He said it would 'spoil
the fun' if he ended his theatrical performance too
soon.
So my only on-topic question to you is whether or not you feel the posts in this thread which I claim are trolls from Frank, are trolls.
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