I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a
list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message. Nope, that's an old message, and the new login code is in a
message that I have to scroll down to see.
Is there an option to sort messages from new to old in top-down order (without having to move to a different messages app)?
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 13:32:36 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a
notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a
list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message. Nope, that's an old message, and the new login code is in a
message that I have to scroll down to see.
Is there an option to sort messages from new to old in top-down order
(without having to move to a different messages app)?
I'm wondering why you don't delete each OTP or 2FA message after
completing your login. They're one-use codes, right? So why keep them
around and make things harder on yourself?
Stan Brown <someone@example.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 13:32:36 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a
notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a
list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message. Nope, that's an old message, and the new login code is in a
message that I have to scroll down to see.
Is there an option to sort messages from new to old in top-down order
(without having to move to a different messages app)?
I'm wondering why you don't delete each OTP or 2FA message after
completing your login. They're one-use codes, right? So why keep them
around and make things harder on yourself?
Because I'm focused on the website where I'm trying to login. I try to
get logged in, get interrupted with the 2FA crap, have to keep the text
while I enter it to make sure I not only enter the code but verify what
I entered is what is in the text, complete the login, and then proceed
to use the website where I logged in. After all, the objective was to
get logged in, not to keep cleaning up the separate texts. The text is
no longer of importance, so I'm focusing on using the website. When I'm
done at the website, or at a breakpoint, yeah, I'll delete the text, but
that is cleanup maintenance, and obviously not of critical importance.
VanguardLH wrote:
I try to get logged in, get interrupted with the 2FA crap, have to
keep the text while I enter it to make sure I not only enter the
code but verify what I entered is what is in the text, complete the
login, and then proceed to use the website where I logged in.
It's one of those times where I'm half tempted to install the Win11
Phone Link app, I think it can copy messages from the phone across to
the PC, so they can be paste, rather than re-typed? But then I remember
it needs an MSA and I decide against it ...
VanguardLH wrote:
I try to get logged in, get interrupted with the 2FA crap, have to
keep the text while I enter it to make sure I not only enter the
code but verify what I entered is what is in the text, complete the
login, and then proceed to use the website where I logged in.
It's one of those times where I'm half tempted to install the Win11
Phone Link app, I think it can copy messages from the phone across to
the PC, so they can be paste, rather than re-typed?ÿ But then I remember
it needs an MSA and I decide against it ...
VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a
list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost message.
For me, the new messages are at the bottom of the list, and I get
focussed towards them, so I don't see the issue you describe, once in a
blue moon I do "delete all messages" for the 2FA sender to clear the
clutter ...
"Carlos E.R." wrote:
On Android phones, you probably are using the Google Messages App, and this you can access on any computer without installing anything, via web.
I do use the synchronisation of SMS from my phone to my tablet, as that stays a persistent connection. But I find setting up shared SMS with a
web client is only a temporary affair, and re-scanning the QR code each
time is as much hassle as entering the 6 digit verification code anyway.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
I simply have a cellphone/mobile number which is actually a VOIP
VanguardLH wrote:
I try to get logged in, get interrupted with the 2FA crap, have to
keep the text while I enter it to make sure I not only enter the
code but verify what I entered is what is in the text, complete the
login, and then proceed to use the website where I logged in.
It's one of those times where I'm half tempted to install the Win11
Phone Link app, I think it can copy messages from the phone across to
the PC, so they can be paste, rather than re-typed? But then I remember
it needs an MSA and I decide against it ...
number and all SMS messages sent to it are forwarded to my E-Mail.
It's then very simple to cut and paste the number to the 2FA field,
usually on my laptop where I do virtually all of my on-line and
browser based transactions.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote:
On Android phones, you probably are using the Google Messages App, andI do use the synchronisation of SMS from my phone to my tablet, as that
this you can access on any computer without installing anything, via web. >>
stays a persistent connection. But I find setting up shared SMS with a
web client is only a temporary affair, and re-scanning the QR code each
time is as much hassle as entering the 6 digit verification code anyway.
Doesn't the 'Remember this computer' setting prevent the need for "re-scanning the QR code each time"?
I've just set up <https://messages.google.com/web>, so I don't know if
this setting does what it implies, but Google's 'AI Overview' implies
that it does,
VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a
notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a
list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message.
For me, the new messages are at the bottom of the list, and I get
focussed towards them, so I don't see the issue you describe, once in a
blue moon I do "delete all messages" for the 2FA sender to clear the
clutter ...
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a
notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a
list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message.
For me, the new messages are at the bottom of the list, and I get
focussed towards them, so I don't see the issue you describe, once in a
blue moon I do "delete all messages" for the 2FA sender to clear the
clutter ...
Not only that, but the 2SV (not 2FA) code is often already visible in
the 'closed' notification. If not visible, you open the notification,
the code is now probably visible. If not visible, you tap the
notification, you now see the list of recent activity (for all numbers),
the most recent notification, i,e, the 2SV one, *is* at the top.
All-in-all totally standard, ever since at least Android 4.
What you should *not* do, is open the *message* directly from the notification, because then it is - oh horror - at the bottom of the
list, but, as you say, still in focus.
All-in-all totally standard, ever since at least Android 4, so I
wonder why VanguardLH has this 'problem' with his new phone, but not
with his old one.
Frank Slootweg wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
I do use the synchronisation of SMS from my phone to my tablet, as that
stays a persistent connection. But I find setting up shared SMS with a
web client is only a temporary affair, and re-scanning the QR code each
time is as much hassle as entering the 6 digit verification code anyway.
Doesn't the 'Remember this computer' setting prevent the need for "re-scanning the QR code each time"?
It probably does, if you allow persistent cookies, which I don't.
I've just set up <https://messages.google.com/web>, so I don't know if this setting does what it implies, but Google's 'AI Overview' implies
that it does,
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote:
On Android phones, you probably are using the Google Messages App, and >>> this you can access on any computer without installing anything, via web. >>I do use the synchronisation of SMS from my phone to my tablet, as that >> stays a persistent connection. But I find setting up shared SMS with a >> web client is only a temporary affair, and re-scanning the QR code each >> time is as much hassle as entering the 6 digit verification code anyway.
Doesn't the 'Remember this computer' setting prevent the need for "re-scanning the QR code each time"?
Wouldn't that require keeping cookies and/or DOM Storage data?
I've just set up <https://messages.google.com/web>, so I don't know if this setting does what it implies, but Google's 'AI Overview' implies
that it does,
I went there, and paired up the web app, as demanded, to my phone with
the Messages app there. Another way to see texts, but it's still in
LIFO (old-to-new) order. I suspect this is so the latest text is
nearest the input box for sending a message.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a >>> notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a
list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message.
For me, the new messages are at the bottom of the list, and I get
focussed towards them, so I don't see the issue you describe, once in a >> blue moon I do "delete all messages" for the 2FA sender to clear the
clutter ...
Not only that, but the 2SV (not 2FA) code is often already visible in
the 'closed' notification. If not visible, you open the notification,
the code is now probably visible. If not visible, you tap the
notification, you now see the list of recent activity (for all numbers), the most recent notification, i,e, the 2SV one, *is* at the top.
All-in-all totally standard, ever since at least Android 4.
What you should *not* do, is open the *message* directly from the notification, because then it is - oh horror - at the bottom of the
list, but, as you say, still in focus.
All-in-all totally standard, ever since at least Android 4, so I
wonder why VanguardLH has this 'problem' with his new phone, but not
with his old one.
I merely asked if there was a sorting option. From everyone's response,
the answer is No.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
I've just set up <https://messages.google.com/web>, so I don't know
if this setting does what it implies, but Google's 'AI Overview'
implies that it does,
I went there, and paired up the web app, as demanded, to my phone with
the Messages app there. Another way to see texts, but it's still in
LIFO (old-to-new) order. I suspect this is so the latest text is
nearest the input box for sending a message.
Good point! In the exceptional case I ('have' to) use SMS (we mostly
use WhatsApp), I 'need' to refer to a message that's indeed
just/a_little above the input box.
So now you've found out why Google does The Right Thing (TM) after
all! :-)
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
It probably does, if you allow persistent cookies, which I don't.
AFAIK, it's a setting kept in your Google Account, i.e. similar to the
same setting for signing into the account without the need for
2SV/2FA. Google Messages on the web can't work without being signed
into your Google Account, so this is just one more account setting,
not a cookie.
VanguardLH wrote:
I merely asked if there was a sorting option. From everyone's response,
the answer is No.
Not a changeable sorting option, but there is a defined sorting order
[oldest read]
[...]
[newest read]
=================
[oldest unread]
...
[newest unread]
Now I'd be hard pressed to say whether it goes to the oldest unread, or newest unread when I read text messages, but there's generally not many unread text messages, so it goes to roughly the right place.
Are you saying yours focuses on old and/or read messages, rather than
new and/or unread messages? That would be annoying ...
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a >>>>> notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a >>>>> list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message.
For me, the new messages are at the bottom of the list, and I get
focussed towards them, so I don't see the issue you describe, once in a >>>> blue moon I do "delete all messages" for the 2FA sender to clear the
clutter ...
Not only that, but the 2SV (not 2FA) code is often already visible in
the 'closed' notification. If not visible, you open the notification,
the code is now probably visible. If not visible, you tap the
notification, you now see the list of recent activity (for all numbers), >>> the most recent notification, i,e, the 2SV one, *is* at the top.
All-in-all totally standard, ever since at least Android 4.
What you should *not* do, is open the *message* directly from the
notification, because then it is - oh horror - at the bottom of the
list, but, as you say, still in focus.
All-in-all totally standard, ever since at least Android 4, so I
wonder why VanguardLH has this 'problem' with his new phone, but not
with his old one.
I merely asked if there was a sorting option. From everyone's response,
the answer is No.
Yes, but you endlessly whined about it - especially to Stan - in the context of getting a 2SV code via SMS and having no end of trouble
finding the right message, instead of accidentily stumbling on wrong
ones. *That* 'problem' is, as I explained, the mobile phone version of PEBKBAC.
AND, as you yourself found out, there's a very good reason that -
other than in e-mail -, the newest SMS message is at the bottom, because that's where the reply box is.
"Carlos E.R." wrote:
On Android phones, you probably are using the Google Messages App, and
this you can access on any computer without installing anything, via web.
I do use the synchronisation of SMS from my phone to my tablet, as that stays a persistent connection.ÿ But I find setting up shared SMS with a
web client is only a temporary affair, and re-scanning the QR code each
time is as much hassle as entering the 6 digit verification code anyway.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a
notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a
list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message.
For me, the new messages are at the bottom of the list, and I get
focussed towards them, so I don't see the issue you describe, once in a
blue moon I do "delete all messages" for the 2FA sender to clear the
clutter ...
The Messages app (that I have) on my phone has an option to auto-delete
OTP messages after 24 hours.
Google Messages app: your icon -> Messages settings -> Message
organization -> Auto-delete OTP messages after 24 hours
After getting the code, and after I'm done focusing on the website where
I logged in using the code, I may remember to do cleanup afterward, or I
get another text, so if I go into the app I'll notice the old code
messages to delete them. I'd rather do incremental cleanup than massive cleanup later, but my focus at the time is getting logged in, not on
cleaning up the messages.
VanguardLH wrote:
Been a while since I had a conversation with someone that accrued to
dozens, or more, messages.
I've got several text threads that go back over a decade, doesn't seem
to cause Messages app any issue.
On 2026-01-22 19:48, VanguardLH wrote:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a >>>> notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a
list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message.
For me, the new messages are at the bottom of the list, and I get
focussed towards them, so I don't see the issue you describe, once in a
blue moon I do "delete all messages" for the 2FA sender to clear the
clutter ...
The Messages app (that I have) on my phone has an option to auto-delete
OTP messages after 24 hours.
Google Messages app: your icon -> Messages settings -> Message
organization -> Auto-delete OTP messages after 24 hours
I don't have "Message organization".
There are differences between what I see in the screens for the
bundled Messages app versus the screenshots at the Play store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.messaging
I could install the one at the Play Store to usurp the duties of the
Samsung bundled version. I'm checking now on comparing the two.
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-01-22 19:48, VanguardLH wrote:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a >>>>> notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a >>>>> list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost
message.
For me, the new messages are at the bottom of the list, and I get
focussed towards them, so I don't see the issue you describe, once in a >>>> blue moon I do "delete all messages" for the 2FA sender to clear the
clutter ...
The Messages app (that I have) on my phone has an option to auto-delete
OTP messages after 24 hours.
Google Messages app: your icon -> Messages settings -> Message
organization -> Auto-delete OTP messages after 24 hours
I don't have "Message organization".
In the Messages app's settings (not Android settings), and after
clicking on your profile icon -> Message settings, what entries are
listed there for you? I have:
RCS chats ?
Notifications ?
Bubbles ?
Hear outgoing and incoming message sounds ?
Pinch to zoom ?
Show expressive animations ?
Choose theme ?
Message organization <--- OTP auto-delete under there ?
Your current county ?
Voice mess transcription ?
Gemini in Messages ?
Suggestions ?
Automatic previews ?
Protection & Safety ?
Swipe actions ?
Advanced ?
About, terms & privacy ?
Everyone wants to customize Android, so what you see could be different.
However, that usually applies only the OS screens and settings
navigation, not to the settings within apps. I'm using a Samsung Galaxy
A36 on Android 16 with the Google Messages bundled on the phone (noting messages.android_20251121_00_RC02.phone_samsung_dynamic for version).
There are differences between what I see in the screens for that app
versus the screenshots at the Play store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.messaging
I could install the one at the Play Store to usurp the duties of the
Samsung bundled version. I'm checking now on comparing the two.
On 2026-01-23 00:47, VanguardLH wrote:
"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
On 2026-01-22 19:48, VanguardLH wrote:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
I get a lot of those OTP or 2FA messages when trying to login. I get a >>>>>> notification, tap on it, takes me into the Messages app, and I see a >>>>>> list of these type of messages, so I pick the code from the topmost >>>>>> message.
For me, the new messages are at the bottom of the list, and I get
focussed towards them, so I don't see the issue you describe, once in a >>>>> blue moon I do "delete all messages" for the 2FA sender to clear the >>>>> clutter ...
The Messages app (that I have) on my phone has an option to auto-delete >>>> OTP messages after 24 hours.
Google Messages app: your icon -> Messages settings -> Message
organization -> Auto-delete OTP messages after 24 hours
I don't have "Message organization".
In the Messages app's settings (not Android settings), and after
clicking on your profile icon -> Message settings, what entries are
listed there for you? I have:
RCS chats ?
Notifications ?
Bubbles ?
Hear outgoing and incoming message sounds ?
Pinch to zoom ?
Show expressive animations ?
Choose theme ?
Message organization <--- OTP auto-delete under there ?
Your current county ?
Voice mess transcription ?
Gemini in Messages ?
Suggestions ?
Automatic previews ?
Protection & Safety ?
Swipe actions ?
Advanced ?
About, terms & privacy ?
Everyone wants to customize Android, so what you see could be different.
It is the same, except two missing entries, marked above.
However, that usually applies only the OS screens and settings
navigation, not to the settings within apps. I'm using a Samsung Galaxy
A36 on Android 16 with the Google Messages bundled on the phone (noting
messages.android_20251121_00_RC02.phone_samsung_dynamic for version).
There are differences between what I see in the screens for that app
versus the screenshots at the Play store:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.apps.messaging
I could install the one at the Play Store to usurp the duties of the
Samsung bundled version. I'm checking now on comparing the two.
I am on version 13, Motorola G52.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
It probably does, if you allow persistent cookies, which I don't.
AFAIK, it's a setting kept in your Google Account, i.e. similar to the
same setting for signing into the account without the need for
2SV/2FA. Google Messages on the web can't work without being signed
into your Google Account, so this is just one more account setting,
not a cookie.
When I went there, it demanded I pair their web app with the Messages
app on my phone. The web app for Messages doesn't get the texts. They aren't operating or interfacing with your carrier's SMS server. So,
they link their web app to your Messages phone app to sync copies of the texts from phone app to web app. Well, that's my interpretation of
their process demanded when I first loaded their web app.
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
I've just set up <https://messages.google.com/web>, so I don't know
if this setting does what it implies, but Google's 'AI Overview'
implies that it does,
I went there, and paired up the web app, as demanded, to my phone with
the Messages app there. Another way to see texts, but it's still in
LIFO (old-to-new) order. I suspect this is so the latest text is
nearest the input box for sending a message.
Good point! In the exceptional case I ('have' to) use SMS (we mostly
use WhatsApp), I 'need' to refer to a message that's indeed
just/a_little above the input box.
So now you've found out why Google does The Right Thing (TM) after
all! :-)
Ahem, yeah, the "they know what's good for you" viewpoint. (giggle)
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:[...]
AND, as you yourself found out, there's a very good reason that -
other than in e-mail -, the newest SMS message is at the bottom, because that's where the reply box is.
And since I'm only interested in replying to the last message, *I* would prefer the new-message input box to be at the top of the window instead
of at the bottom. Configurability is not an option with this text apps.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:[...]
AND, as you yourself found out, there's a very good reason that -
other than in e-mail -, the newest SMS message is at the bottom, because >>> that's where the reply box is.
And since I'm only interested in replying to the last message, *I* would
prefer the new-message input box to be at the top of the window instead
of at the bottom. Configurability is not an option with this text apps.
I haven't seen any SMS/IM app on any mobile platform, which had the new-message input box at the top. Also not on my previous three phones
and I bet, you didn't have it on your previous phone either.
So I think your preference is the odd one out and unlikely to be fulfilled, but you never know.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
I've just set up <https://messages.google.com/web>, so I don't know
if this setting does what it implies, but Google's 'AI Overview'
implies that it does,
I went there, and paired up the web app, as demanded, to my phone with >>>> the Messages app there. Another way to see texts, but it's still in
LIFO (old-to-new) order. I suspect this is so the latest text is
nearest the input box for sending a message.
Good point! In the exceptional case I ('have' to) use SMS (we mostly
use WhatsApp), I 'need' to refer to a message that's indeed
just/a_little above the input box.
So now you've found out why Google does The Right Thing (TM) after
all! :-)
Ahem, yeah, the "they know what's good for you" viewpoint. (giggle)
No, the point is that if they put new messages at the top or/and would
have a setting for newest-at-bottom/newest-at-top, that would be plain
wrong, because of the reason you found.
Face it, people might not like many or any things Google, but Google
is not stupid, far from it.
VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:[...]
AND, as you yourself found out, there's a very good reason that -
other than in e-mail -, the newest SMS message is at the bottom, because >>> that's where the reply box is.
And since I'm only interested in replying to the last message, *I* would
prefer the new-message input box to be at the top of the window instead
of at the bottom. Configurability is not an option with this text apps.
I haven't seen any SMS/IM app on any mobile platform, which had the new-message input box at the top. Also not on my previous three phones
and I bet, you didn't have it on your previous phone either.
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