But the flash...
The flash...
Every camera app has a flash.
It's shocking to me it's not just on:off for the controls.
Arno Welzel wrote:
It's shocking to me it's not just on:off for the controls.
Because there are multiple options for it:
- off
- always on
- automatic if needed
And sometimes also additional features like filling flash or open or
closing flash. When you are used to "real" cameras, you know, that a
flash is not just a simple "on/off".
Oh, I get it. I worked in the Silicon Valley on software that costs
millions per seat, so I'm fully aware how software developers think.
Marian, 2025-12-12 18:24:
Arno Welzel wrote:
It's shocking to me it's not just on:off for the controls.
Because there are multiple options for it:
- off
- always on
- automatic if needed
And sometimes also additional features like filling flash or open or
closing flash. When you are used to "real" cameras, you know, that a
flash is not just a simple "on/off".
Oh, I get it. I worked in the Silicon Valley on software that costs
millions per seat, so I'm fully aware how software developers think.
That's not "how software developers think". Real cameras work this way.
Did you ever use a real camera?
On 2025-12-15, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Marian, 2025-12-12 18:24:
Arno Welzel wrote:
It's shocking to me it's not just on:off for the controls.
Because there are multiple options for it:
- off
- always on
- automatic if needed
And sometimes also additional features like filling flash or open or
closing flash. When you are used to "real" cameras, you know, that a
flash is not just a simple "on/off".
Oh, I get it. I worked in the Silicon Valley on software that costs
millions per seat, so I'm fully aware how software developers think.
That's not "how software developers think". Real cameras work this way.
Did you ever use a real camera?
Thing is an awefull lot of phone camera users never used a "real" camera
- a point and shoot instamatic or similar. "real" camera users are a minority. Very often having a simple mode, and an option for expert mode where lots of "real" things happen is often the best way to go.
Jim Jackson, 2025-12-18 21:26:
On 2025-12-15, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
Marian, 2025-12-12 18:24:
Arno Welzel wrote:
It's shocking to me it's not just on:off for the controls.
Because there are multiple options for it:
- off
- always on
- automatic if needed
And sometimes also additional features like filling flash or open or >>>>> closing flash. When you are used to "real" cameras, you know, that a >>>>> flash is not just a simple "on/off".
Oh, I get it. I worked in the Silicon Valley on software that costs
millions per seat, so I'm fully aware how software developers think.
That's not "how software developers think". Real cameras work this way.
Did you ever use a real camera?
Thing is an awefull lot of phone camera users never used a "real" camera
- a point and shoot instamatic or similar. "real" camera users are a
minority. Very often having a simple mode, and an option for expert mode
where lots of "real" things happen is often the best way to go.
Even a piint and shoot camera has more settings than just "flash on" and "flash off". At least an automatic mode to use flash only if needed is
often available.
Jim Jackson wrote:
<contraversial> Modern digital sensors have way better low light
performance than most films did </contraversial> :-)
My first camera, oh, it was in the 1960s, was an East German all-metal 35mm >SLR, with this black 'leather-like' pigskin-like leatherette covering on
the heavy metal which was peeling off at the edges.
Manual everything!
It was an immersive experience adjusting every shot to the ISO, aperture,
and shutter speed by hand. You really *felt* every decision you made in the >final image.
Cellphone cameras no longer need such attention anymore, but they don't
give our grandkids that same tactile sense of crafting the exposure from >scratch.
They now craft their exposure using AI after the fact.
It's kind of like how cars changed, where we changed the points every year >and replaced the capacitor and checked the dwell & timing, and now, none of >that is needed for the life of the car.
I still mount and balance my own tires at home though, since I'm old school >(I use the cheap HF bead breaker, tire mounter & static balancing jigs).
Am I the only one left?
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