• Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To ?Jailbreak? Their F-35 Fighters

    From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, February 18, 2026 22:53:41
    Gijs Tuinman, when asked if the EU can make changes to the fighter jet
    without US approval, replied <https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/dutch-secretary-of-defense-threatens-to-jailbreak-nations-f-35-jet-fighters-says-its-just-like-cracking-open-an-iphone-in-response-to-questions-over-software-independence>:

    ?I?m going to say something I should never say, but I?ll do it
    anyway,? the defense secretary said. ?Just like your iPhone, you
    can jailbreak an F-35. I won?t say more about it.?

    The operating system apparently runs to 8 million lines of code, and
    of course it?s encrypted/obfuscated. But so are lots of games on
    consoles and PCs that use elaborate copy-protection and anti-cheat
    mechanisms. And there are quite a few people with experience wading
    their way through mazes like that.

    Of course the US officially denies that the hardware it sells to other countries has any kind of ?kill switch? in it. So maybe the EU has a
    Plan B, maybe it doesn?t ...

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  • From Marco Moock@3:633/10 to All on Friday, February 20, 2026 16:15:12
    Subject: Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To ?Jailbreak? Their F-35 Fighters

    On 18.02.2026 22:53 Uhr Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:

    The operating system apparently runs to 8 million lines of code, and
    of course it?s encrypted/obfuscated. But so are lots of games on
    consoles and PCs that use elaborate copy-protection and anti-cheat mechanisms. And there are quite a few people with experience wading
    their way through mazes like that.

    Although, if that fails, it doesn't affect an aircraft which might then
    crash.

    Of course the US officially denies that the hardware it sells to other countries has any kind of ?kill switch? in it. So maybe t
    he EU has a
    Plan B, maybe it doesn?t ...

    No access to the code - no trust regarding this.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1771451621muell@stinkedores.dorfdsl.de


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  • From Vanadium@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, February 24, 2026 02:34:51
    Subject: Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To ?Jailbreak? Their F-35 Fighters

    In article <10n5ftl$32287$1@dont-email.me>, ldo@nz.invalid says...

    Gijs Tuinman, when asked if the EU can make changes to the fighter jet without US approval, replied <https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/dutch-secretary-of-defense-threatens-to-jailbreak-nations-f-35-jet-fighters-says-its-just-like-cracking-open-an-iphone-in-response-to-questions-over-software-independence>:

    ?I?m going to say something I should never say, but I?ll do it
    anyway,? the defense secretary said. ?Just like your iPhone, you
    can jailbreak an F-35. I won?t say more about it.?

    The operating system apparently runs to 8 million lines of code, and
    of course it?s encrypted/obfuscated. But so are lots of games on
    consoles and PCs that use elaborate copy-protection and anti-cheat mechanisms. And there are quite a few people with experience wading
    their way through mazes like that.

    Of course the US officially denies that the hardware it sells to other countries has any kind of ?kill switch? in it. So maybe the EU has a
    Plan B, maybe it doesn?t ...

    Wasn't it a more adult thing to say, we cut our losses and in the
    future, we'll have zero trust on foreign weapons and specially with code
    that can't be deciphered?

    I'm 45 and I never imagined when I was a real teen that the world could
    be run by spoiled brats and bully kids in old age.


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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, February 24, 2026 02:07:55
    Subject: Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To ?Jailbreak? Their F-35 Fighters

    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 02:34:51 +0100, Vanadium wrote:

    Wasn't it a more adult thing to say, we cut our losses and in the
    future, we'll have zero trust on foreign weapons and specially with
    code that can't be deciphered?

    I'm 45 and I never imagined when I was a real teen that the world
    could be run by spoiled brats and bully kids in old age.

    Not really sure what you mean. If a customer buys something from a
    supplier, does the customer own what they buy?

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, February 25, 2026 08:00:54
    Subject: Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To "Jailbreak" Their F-35 Fighters

    Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 18.02.2026 22:53 Uhr Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    The operating system apparently runs to 8 million lines of code, and
    of course it's encrypted/obfuscated. But so are lots of games on
    consoles and PCs that use elaborate copy-protection and anti-cheat
    mechanisms. And there are quite a few people with experience wading
    their way through mazes like that.

    Although, if that fails, it doesn't affect an aircraft which might then crash.

    It probably depends whether it's really a kill switch, or more
    likely some proprietary way of talking to the computer during
    routine maintenance. But I seriously doubt that Dutch politician
    has any idea what he's talking about. If the Americans didn't
    want them flying the fighters, they could just block shipments of
    spare parts and they'd all be offline for maintenance before long
    anyway.

    Of course the US officially denies that the hardware it sells to other
    countries has any kind of "kill switch" in it. So maybe the EU has a
    Plan B, maybe it doesn't ...

    No access to the code - no trust regarding this.

    The American military might not have access to the code either!
    US military contractors have a history of keeping their designs
    private, and the government already had to take Lockheed Martin
    to court to force them to hand over some software just for
    _simulating_ the F-35, which LH claimed included proprietary
    algorithms:

    https://sdquebec.ca/fr/nouvelle/lockheed-and-pentagon-joust-over-lucrative-f-35-data-rights

    Then LH billed them $500 million for data to manage the F-35's
    spare parts:

    https://breakingdefense.com/2022/04/pentagon-wants-500m-to-get-data-to-manage-f-35-parts/

    ""What tool do we use? How do I replace it? What tool do we use to
    put it back on? Those are the kinds of specific levels of
    information that's part of technical data," said Maurer."

    So basically $500m for a copy of the parts and service manuals from
    the sounds of that, for an aircraft produced by a programme that
    the US government themselves funded. And people say Trump is
    America's biggest bully...

    Actually in one of the current US government's more sensible moves,
    they're talking of changing policy to require intellectual property
    for future weapons programs to be owned by government instead of the
    arms companies that designed them. Of course other countries
    including Europeans will surely keep getting ripped off like mugs.
    Indeed I strongly suspect all the maintenance on F-35s owned by
    other countries is done by LM contractors anyway, so software rights
    are a moot point when nobody in a foreign military even knows how to
    change a tyre on one.

    --
    __ __
    #_ < |\| |< _#

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  • From Jan van den Broek@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, February 25, 2026 07:43:07
    Subject: Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To "Jailbreak" Their F-35 Fighters

    2026-02-24, Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> schrieb:

    [Schnipp]

    routine maintenance. But I seriously doubt that Dutch politician
    has any idea what he's talking about. If the Americans didn't

    He's a politician, so he doesn't have to know what he's talking about,
    as long as he's convincing

    (But I have the same doubts)

    [Schnipp]

    --
    Jan v/d Broek
    balglaas@dds.nl

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, February 25, 2026 16:29:15
    Subject: Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To ?Jailbreak? Their F-35 Fighters

    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Feb 2026 02:34:51 +0100, Vanadium wrote:

    Wasn't it a more adult thing to say, we cut our losses and in the
    future, we'll have zero trust on foreign weapons and specially with
    code that can't be deciphered?

    ALL code can be deciphered. Most of it isn't worth the trouble. But if
    people wrote it, people can figure out what it does given enough effort.

    I'm 45 and I never imagined when I was a real teen that the world
    could be run by spoiled brats and bully kids in old age.

    Not really sure what you mean. If a customer buys something from a
    supplier, does the customer own what they buy?

    In the case of software it does not seem always so. And the problem is
    that everything today likely contains software.
    --scott


    --
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  • From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, February 25, 2026 22:21:09
    Subject: Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To "Jailbreak" Their F-35 Fighters

    On Wed, 25 Feb 2026 07:43:07 -0000 (UTC), Jan van den Broek wrote:

    He's a politician ...

    He wears a uniform. I think he?s a soldier.

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  • From Mike Spencer@3:633/10 to All on Friday, February 27, 2026 19:29:28
    Subject: Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To ?Jailbreak? Their F-35 Fighters


    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:

    ALL code can be deciphered. Most of it isn't worth the trouble. But if people wrote it, people can figure out what it does given enough effort.

    Sixty years ago I worked at B.J.'s Foreign Auto. This was when
    "foreign car" still meant something. And it was a college town where
    eccentric professors and wildly adventursome students opted for a real
    zoo of cars. We saw belt-dive DAFs, Borwards, Lancias, Renaults,
    Alpha Romeros, Mercedes, Panhards, Amphicars and others I can't
    remember as well as the whole pantheon of British marques and many,
    many Volkswagens, many of them decrepit or severely used.

    B.J.'s motto was, "A man made it. A man can fix it!" And we did. I
    actually did repairs with hand-carved wood. In two years, I think we
    only failed to make the customer happy once.

    Today, as an old geezer, I have to pay others to fix my car. It
    was made by a robot, designed to be made by a robot. We're approaching ubiquity of the "Jack up the radiator ornament and drive a new car
    under it" method (awaiting only the reintroduction of radiator
    ornaments for this single purpose :-).

    AIUI, much of the code is already not being written by people. The AI
    industry is shingled way out onto the fog in a gigabuck frenzy of FOMO
    without much supporting revenue. And it's catching: companies are
    being persuaded to fall prey to FOMO and get AI up and running any
    place the AI companies tell them tomorrow's crest of big buck is
    there.

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Friday, February 27, 2026 18:55:00
    Subject: Re: Dutch Defence Secretary Threatens To ?Jailbreak? Their F-35 Fighters

    Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
    AIUI, much of the code is already not being written by people. The AI >industry is shingled way out onto the fog in a gigabuck frenzy of FOMO >without much supporting revenue. And it's catching: companies are
    being persuaded to fall prey to FOMO and get AI up and running any
    place the AI companies tell them tomorrow's crest of big buck is
    there.

    I'm waiting for a box of op-amps to be made available to replace the
    motor control and body control system in the Teslas, or at least an
    open-source microcontroller board.

    You can already get a similar thing for gasoline engines, in the form
    of the megasquirt engine controller. Will retrofit into most cars
    with fuel injection. All parameters can be set in the source code, which builds on your laptop and then downloads into the megasquirt box.

    Don't put up with crap! Control machines, don't let them control you!
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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