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  • Europe Continues March Towards ?Digital Sovereignty?

    From Lawrence D?Oliveiro@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, January 29, 2026 23:25:22
    France is deploying a homegrown, open-source alternative to Teams and
    Zoom, as another small step in the ongoing Europe-wide move towards
    getting rid of dependence on US-based services <https://www.zdnet.com/article/france-dumps-teams-zoom-homegrown-videoconferencing-eu-digital-sovereignty/>.

    Note the warning from the Ericsson boss that the whole ?digital
    sovereignty? movement is ?dangerous? -- scaremongering language, if
    ever there was such a thing. Sure, the prices will likely be higher.
    But remember, that money will be going to local businesses, not to the
    USA. And it?ll be in EUR, not USD. That will likely help the economy
    more than hurt it.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.6
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, January 29, 2026 19:37:11
    In article <10lgq92$1mhui$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    France is deploying a homegrown, open-source alternative to Teams and
    Zoom, as another small step in the ongoing Europe-wide move towards
    getting rid of dependence on US-based services

    It's a shame that we don't have some process to establish open source
    protocols for use on the internet for these sorts of things... you know,
    like the RFCs..... nobody uses THOSE anymore.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.6
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From candycanearter07@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 16:10:04
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote at 00:37 this Friday (GMT):
    In article <10lgq92$1mhui$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    France is deploying a homegrown, open-source alternative to Teams and
    Zoom, as another small step in the ongoing Europe-wide move towards
    getting rid of dependence on US-based services

    It's a shame that we don't have some process to establish open source protocols for use on the internet for these sorts of things... you know,
    like the RFCs..... nobody uses THOSE anymore.
    --scott


    People forgot what "interoperability" meant.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.8
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Rich@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 16:45:46
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote at 00:37 this Friday (GMT):
    In article <10lgq92$1mhui$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    France is deploying a homegrown, open-source alternative to Teams
    and Zoom, as another small step in the ongoing Europe-wide move
    towards getting rid of dependence on US-based services

    It's a shame that we don't have some process to establish open
    source protocols for use on the internet for these sorts of
    things... you know, like the RFCs..... nobody uses THOSE anymore.
    --scott

    People forgot what "interoperability" meant.

    "People" didn't forget -- most "people" still very much want
    interoperability and for their comms to "just work".

    For-profit corporations abandoned interoperability because there was
    more profit to be obtained from walled gardens than from
    interoperability.

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.8
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From candycanearter07@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 20:50:03
    Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote at 16:45 this Friday (GMT):
    candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote at 00:37 this Friday (GMT):
    In article <10lgq92$1mhui$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOliveiro?= <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    France is deploying a homegrown, open-source alternative to Teams
    and Zoom, as another small step in the ongoing Europe-wide move >>>>towards getting rid of dependence on US-based services

    It's a shame that we don't have some process to establish open
    source protocols for use on the internet for these sorts of
    things... you know, like the RFCs..... nobody uses THOSE anymore.
    --scott

    People forgot what "interoperability" meant.

    "People" didn't forget -- most "people" still very much want interoperability and for their comms to "just work".

    For-profit corporations abandoned interoperability because there was
    more profit to be obtained from walled gardens than from
    interoperability.


    Arguably, people forgot BECAUSE of for-profit companies, I have met so
    many people who assume Google Docs or MSOffice is the default and get
    all surprised when I talk about using LibreOffice.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.8
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)
  • From Bruce@3:633/10 to All on Friday, January 30, 2026 23:14:33
    On 30/01/2026 16:45, Rich wrote:
    For-profit corporations abandoned interoperability because there was
    more profit to be obtained from walled gardens than from
    interoperability.

    If only they remembered that calling it a garden implies it's a nice
    place that would make you want to go there.

    --
    Bruce Horrocks
    Hampshire, England

    --- PyGate Linux v1.5.8
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair, PyGate NNTP<>Fido Gate (3:633/10)