• Under 40's Declining Memory

    From Ben Collver@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 16, 2025 16:23:00
    Under 40's Declining Memory
    ===========================

    A Large US Study Finds Memory Decline Surge in Young People

    Cognitive Disability
    ====================

    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind? The
    answer is yes, if we believe the results of a measurable scientific
    research of this catastrophe, which was recently published in the
    journal Neurology. The paper, by Ka-Ho Wong and colleagues, is a
    data-rich examination of 4.5 million survey responses. Its finding is
    that "serious difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making
    decisions" is no longer a fringe complaint, but a surging public
    health crisis.

    Those 4.5 million survey responses were gathered over a decade
    through the CDC's Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System. Its
    outcome is clear on the data, more and more younger people have:
    serious difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making decisions
    because of a physical, mental, or emotional condition.

    The numbers are unambiguous. From 2013 to 2023, the age-adjusted
    prevalence of such "cognitive disability" in U.S. adults rose from
    5.3 to 7.4 percent. But the real shock lies in who changed. Among
    adults 18 to 39 years old, the supposed cognitive prime, the
    prevalence nearly doubled, from 5.1 to 9.7 percent. It climbed across
    every racial and economic line. It tripled even among the
    highest-income bracket, those meant to be buffered by privilege.

    Cognitive disability <https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_305!,f_auto,q_auto:good, fl_progressive:steep/ https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2F images%2F7356a1e3-8d18-46bc-aeb5-27e89265835f_642x346.jpeg>

    This being said the authors do acknowledge that "Younger adults,
    racial minorities, and socioeconomically disadvantaged groups are disproportionately affected, highlighting the urgent need for
    targeted interventions." And, with scientific rigor, the researchers
    "excluded participants who self-reported depression ... to better
    identify non-psychiatric cognitive impairment."

    Because what they have found is not a disorder hidden in a
    subpopulation. It is the first measurable biological signature of a civilization rewiring its own nervous system.

    Disattention
    ============

    For fifteen years we have been building, at planetary scale, a
    machinery of disattention: social platforms that auction attention by
    the millisecond; search engines that outsource memory; feeds that
    weaponize emotion for engagement. The result is an economy that grows
    in inverse proportion to our capacity to think. Now the data have
    arrived like a coroner's note. The youngest generation, those who
    have never known a world before the machine, are reporting that they
    can no longer concentrate, remember, or decide.

    The authors, although cautious, propose the polite hypotheses. Social isolation. Increased reliance on technology. Maybe "greater
    awareness" of cognitive problems. One almost applaud the decorum and understatements. A "greater awareness" of forgetting, what a phrase.
    As though we are choosing to notice that our minds are leaking.
    People are not more willing to report it; they are less able to
    conceal it.

    The study itself betrays the timeline. The statistically significant
    rise began in 2016, four years before lockdowns, before "long COVID."
    The pandemic did not cause the decline; it simply sealed us inside
    the apparatus that was already doing the work.

    And what an apparatus. We have built a trillion-dollar system to
    externalize thought, then act astonished when the interior world
    collapses. To name "reliance on technology" as a risk factor is like
    diagnosing "submersion" in a drowning victim.

    What the paper records is not a warning but a postscript, the data
    catching up to what daily life has been telling us for years.

    Hovering Mind
    =============

    A friend of mine, a novelist, disciplined, once able to lose herself
    for hours in text, told me recently that she can no longer read a
    book. Her eyes move, but the mind skitters. "It's as though my
    attention has been trained to hover," she said, "like a cursor that
    can't click." The Wong et al. study gives her condition a
    bureaucratic dignity: cognitive disability. Her failure is no longer
    moral; it is systemic. She is not weak. She is collateral damage from
    being constantly online.

    Yet this is larger than individual suffering. A population unable to concentrate, remember, or choose is not merely an unproductive
    workforce. It is an ungovernable polity. Democracy presumes a citizen
    capable of following an argument across paragraphs, of remembering
    yesterday's promise when voting tomorrow. If cognition fragments, so
    does self-government. A people who cannot remember are condemned not
    just to repeat the past, but to be told what the past was, and to
    believe it.

    The political question of our century is no longer who controls the
    means of production? but who controls the means of perception?

    Perpetual Stimulation
    =====================

    In that light, the paper's most haunting choice, the exclusion of the depressed, acquires philosophical weight. The researchers sought a
    "clean" signal, free of affect. They wished to see the thing itself.
    And what they found was a doubling. Perhaps this is the affect.
    Perhaps the mind, faced with an environment of perpetual stimulation,
    begins to disable itself as a last act of defense, a biological
    attempt to lower the volume by breaking the dial.

    Meanwhile, at the far end of the data, a small mercy: among adults
    70 and older, the prevalence of cognitive disability has declined.
    They are, in statistical terms, the last generation to have lived
    most of life before the feed. Their synapses were wired by books, conversations, and silence. They can still recall what it felt like
    to finish a thought.

    The young cannot. They are digital natives in the truest, bleakest
    sense, born in a country that remembers nothing of itself.

    Wong's paper will be filed, cited, and forgotten like the rest. But
    read plainly, it documents the first epidemiological evidence of a
    cognitive collapse engineered by design. The authors close with
    professional understatement: the findings "warrant further
    investigation." One hopes we remain capable of conducting it.

    Stay curious

    Colin

    From:
    <https://onepercentrule.substack.com/p/under-40s-declining-memory>

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 16, 2025 19:23:38
    On Sun, 16 Nov 2025 16:23:00 -0000 (UTC)
    Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> wrote:

    Under 40's Declining Memory
    ===========================

    A Large US Study Finds Memory Decline Surge in Young People

    Cognitive Disability
    ====================

    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind? The
    answer is yes, if we believe the results of a measurable scientific
    []

    From:
    <https://onepercentrule.substack.com/p/under-40s-declining-memory>


    TL;DNR

    Oh look! shiny!

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Sn!pe@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 16, 2025 19:30:58
    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Nov 2025 16:23:00 -0000 (UTC)
    Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> wrote:

    Under 40's Declining Memory
    ===========================

    A Large US Study Finds Memory Decline Surge in Young People

    Cognitive Disability
    ====================

    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind? The
    answer is yes, if we believe the results of a measurable scientific
    []

    From:
    <https://onepercentrule.substack.com/p/under-40s-declining-memory>


    TL;DNR

    Oh look! shiny!


    I beg to differ, I thought it apposite.

    --
    ^?^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.

    Am I a surprised wading bird!


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  • From Adrian Caspersz@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 17, 2025 10:12:16
    On 16/11/2025 18:57, Stefan Ram wrote:
    Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> wrote or quoted:
    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind?

    Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    mankind had begun to regress.

    But to be sure that social media are the culprit, it might
    help to look specifically for young people who do not use
    them (if such people can be found) and then to look whether
    they really fare better in tests.

    It's listening to pop music that does it.

    Classical music should be the norm, other forms should be banned....




    (just, kidding)
    --
    Adrian C

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  • From David LaRue@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 17, 2025 10:27:14
    Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in news:mo0b3eFgbadU1 @mid.individual.net:

    Adrian Caspersz wrote:

    Stefan Ram wrote:
    Ben Collver wrote or quoted:
    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind?

    ÿÿ Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    ÿÿ mankind had begun to regress.

    ÿÿ But to be sure that social media are the culprit, it might
    ÿÿ help to look specifically for young people who do not use
    ÿÿ them (if such people can be found) and then to look whether
    ÿÿ they really fare better in tests.

    It's listening to pop music that does it.
    In the same way that pocket calculators killed mental arithmetic in the
    70s, I would look at whether it's search engines, rather than social
    media which are/have killed memory ...


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  • From Adrian Caspersz@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 17, 2025 11:34:29
    On 17/11/2025 10:18, Andy Burns wrote:
    Adrian Caspersz wrote:

    Stefan Ram wrote:
    Ben Collver wrote or quoted:
    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind?

    ÿÿ Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    ÿÿ mankind had begun to regress.

    ÿÿ But to be sure that social media are the culprit, it might
    ÿÿ help to look specifically for young people who do not use
    ÿÿ them (if such people can be found) and then to look whether
    ÿÿ they really fare better in tests.

    It's listening to pop music that does it.
    In the same way that pocket calculators killed mental arithmetic in the
    70s, I would look at whether it's search engines, rather than social
    media which are/have killed memory ...


    We've all been poisoned by various chemicals,

    PTFE, Lead, Alcohol, Tobacoo, Aluminium etc...

    Just done a google and Aspartame don't look too good for memory function.

    (I drink a lot of diet coke)

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 17, 2025 17:41:49
    In the same way that pocket calculators killed mental arithmetic in the
    70s, I would look at whether it's search engines, rather than social
    media which are/have killed memory ...

    Might be constant and incessant use of weed among a large fraction of the population.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From David LaRue@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 01:30:58
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in news:10fg8bd$plk$1@panix2.panix.com:

    In the same way that pocket calculators killed mental arithmetic in the >>> 70s, I would look at whether it's search engines, rather than social
    media which are/have killed memory ...

    Might be constant and incessant use of weed among a large fraction of the population.
    --scott

    How about the modern concept of barely reading a text to get all the answers for a test. Very little brainwork needed there. Rote learning seems to be enmphasised over actually learning how to evaluate language and decide what a reasonable answer is.

    On the good side they are still trying to have at least minimal comprehension in two languages in high school.

    I've met far too many of the younger generations that have graduated with little or no real skills or experiences.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@3:633/10 to All on Monday, November 17, 2025 21:56:38
    David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
    How about the modern concept of barely reading a text to get all the answers >for a test. Very little brainwork needed there. Rote learning seems to be >enmphasised over actually learning how to evaluate language and decide what a >reasonable answer is.

    Modern? That was happening long, long ago. Although I think the British perfected it before Americans did.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 08:46:31
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
    Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> wrote or quoted:

    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind?

    Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    mankind had begun to regress.

    Never mind the 1970s, how about the 370s BCE?

    ?And in this instance, you who are the father of letters, from a
    paternal love of your own children have been led to attribute to
    them a quality which they cannot have; for this discovery of yours
    will create forgetfulness in the learners' souls, because they will
    not use their memories; they will trust to the external written
    characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you
    have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and
    you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth;
    they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing;
    they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing;
    they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the
    reality.?

    --
    https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 09:14:50
    On Sun, 16 Nov 2025 19:30:58 +0000
    snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

    Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Nov 2025 16:23:00 -0000 (UTC)
    Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> wrote:

    Under 40's Declining Memory
    ===========================

    A Large US Study Finds Memory Decline Surge in Young People

    Cognitive Disability
    ====================

    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind? The
    answer is yes, if we believe the results of a measurable scientific
    []

    From:
    <https://onepercentrule.substack.com/p/under-40s-declining-memory>


    TL;DNR

    Oh look! shiny!


    I beg to differ, I thought it apposite.

    I was being, like, ironic. (It being a long article about folk being unable
    to concentrate on e.g. long articles)

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 09:17:14
    On Tue, 18 Nov 2025 08:46:31 +0000
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:
    Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> wrote or quoted:

    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind?

    Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    mankind had begun to regress.

    Never mind the 1970s, how about the 370s BCE?

    ?And in this instance, you who are the father of letters, from a
    paternal love of your own children have been led to attribute to
    them a quality which they cannot have; for this discovery of yours
    will create forgetfulness in the learners' souls, because they will
    not use their memories; they will trust to the external written
    characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you
    have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and
    you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth;
    they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing;
    they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing;
    they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the
    reality.?

    Right. Time to ban books.

    --
    Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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  • From wasbit@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 09:38:20
    On 17/11/2025 10:18, Andy Burns wrote:
    Adrian Caspersz wrote:

    Stefan Ram wrote:
    Ben Collver wrote or quoted:
    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind?

    ÿÿ Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    ÿÿ mankind had begun to regress.

    ÿÿ But to be sure that social media are the culprit, it might
    ÿÿ help to look specifically for young people who do not use
    ÿÿ them (if such people can be found) and then to look whether
    ÿÿ they really fare better in tests.

    It's listening to pop music that does it.
    In the same way that pocket calculators killed mental arithmetic in the
    70s, I would look at whether it's search engines, rather than social
    media which are/have killed memory ...


    I used to know practically every phone number I needed. Now I have to
    look up my own.


    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From wasbit@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 09:53:39
    On 18/11/2025 01:30, David LaRue wrote:
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in news:10fg8bd$plk$1@panix2.panix.com:

    In the same way that pocket calculators killed mental arithmetic in the >>>> 70s, I would look at whether it's search engines, rather than social
    media which are/have killed memory ...

    Might be constant and incessant use of weed among a large fraction of the
    population.
    --scott

    How about the modern concept of barely reading a text to get all the answers for a test. Very little brainwork needed there. Rote learning seems to be enmphasised over actually learning how to evaluate language and decide what a reasonable answer is.

    On the good side they are still trying to have at least minimal comprehension in two languages in high school.

    I've met far too many of the younger generations that have graduated with little or no real skills or experiences.


    Rote learning has always served me well.
    As did taking the chalks at darts before electronic scoreboards.


    --
    Regards
    wasbit

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  • From David LaRue@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 10:51:51
    wasbit <wasbit@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in news:10fheqb$1ev4g$1@dont-
    email.me:

    On 17/11/2025 10:18, Andy Burns wrote:
    Adrian Caspersz wrote:

    Stefan Ram wrote:
    Ben Collver wrote or quoted:
    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind?

    ÿÿ Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    ÿÿ mankind had begun to regress.

    ÿÿ But to be sure that social media are the culprit, it might
    ÿÿ help to look specifically for young people who do not use
    ÿÿ them (if such people can be found) and then to look whether
    ÿÿ they really fare better in tests.

    It's listening to pop music that does it.
    In the same way that pocket calculators killed mental arithmetic in the
    70s, I would look at whether it's search engines, rather than social
    media which are/have killed memory ...


    I used to know practically every phone number I needed. Now I have to
    look up my own.

    I still remember my frined's phone numbers from long ago as well as the current ones. I can navigate several cities and most of the USA by deead reconning and memory. I rarely use maps or lookup a route to someplace
    before going. The journey counts as much as getting to th =e destination. Use your mind and you will find much you never new existed. Listen to
    social media and you are stuck in the mud.

    Be well and follow God on your journey...

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  • From Anton Shepelev@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 20:20:54
    Stefan Ram:

    Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    mankind had begun to regress.

    But to be sure that social media are the culprit, it might
    help to look specifically for young people who do not use them
    (if such people can be found) and then to look whether they
    really fare better in tests.

    I think it has a lot do to with the explosive mix of capitalism
    and wellfare society: surviving is not so hard anymore (and you
    don't rely on your tribe and family), but many people don't find
    it really worth it, dragging miserable vegetable exitance.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 18, 2025 20:25:56
    David LaRue:

    How about the modern concept of barely reading a text to get
    all the answers for a test.

    With the AI (Artificial Idiot) aka SALAMI (Systematic
    Approaches to Learning Algorithms and Machine Inferences), one
    need only ask one's question in chat-like interface to get an
    immediate answer (gratification). Active research, learning, and
    thinking are disincentivised.

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  • From Mike Spencer@3:633/10 to All on Wednesday, November 19, 2025 19:38:01
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:

    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) writes:

    Ben Collver <bencollver@tilde.pink> wrote or quoted:

    Has social media engineered the collapse of the human mind?

    Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    mankind had begun to regress.

    Never mind the 1970s, how about the 370s BCE?

    And in this instance, you who are the father of letters, from a
    paternal love of your own children have been led to attribute to
    them a quality which they cannot have; for this discovery of yours
    will create forgetfulness in the learners' souls, because they will
    not use their memories; they will trust to the external written
    characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you
    have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and
    you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth;
    they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing;
    they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing;
    they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the
    reality.

    Writing constituted a phase change in the use of that particular
    phenomenon that defines humans, language. That change was spread over
    many centuries, say, from Sumer to Rome.

    Printing constituted another, similar phase change. From Gutenberg to
    London daily newspapers was only a few centuries.

    Machines that can produce unlimited quantities of literate,
    grammatical, superficially coherent language is another phase change.
    Its effects will not take centuries and they will realize far more
    powerfully the calamity anticipated by the speaker of 370+ BCE.

    Word.


    https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From Anssi Saari@3:633/10 to All on Tuesday, November 25, 2025 12:51:33
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes:

    Already in the 70s, we had a band named "Devo", who believed
    mankind had begun to regress.

    Never mind the 1970s, how about the 370s BCE?

    ?And in this instance, you who are the father of letters, from a
    paternal love of your own children have been led to attribute to
    them a quality which they cannot have; for this discovery of yours
    will create forgetfulness in the learners' souls, because they will
    not use their memories; they will trust to the external written
    characters and not remember of themselves. The specific which you
    have discovered is an aid not to memory, but to reminiscence, and
    you give your disciples not truth, but only the semblance of truth;
    they will be hearers of many things and will have learned nothing;
    they will appear to be omniscient and will generally know nothing;
    they will be tiresome company, having the show of wisdom without the
    reality.?

    And yet, it turned out writing is a pretty useful skill. Relying on
    something as unreliable as human memory isn't much good for more than storytelling.

    As for the regression, didn't Socrates already complain about how his
    students were way too interested in wine and women on the expense of
    learning? So either he was a bore or had forgotten what it was to be
    young. And if he had forgotten, then he should've taken notes.

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