• Retro-Inspired Cases Are To PCs What The Morris Minor Was To Cars

    From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOlivei@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, September 20, 2025 01:55:46
    From: ldo@nz.invalid

    Every time I see one of these “retro-inspired” PC cases <https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/pc-cases/silverstones-retro-pc-flp02-case-launches-for-usd220-throw-back-5-25-inch-expansion-bays-meet-modern-360mm-radiator-support>,
    I feel a yawn coming on.

    Does anybody think of them as the personification of dullness? Like
    the Morris Minor was to cars? (My mother had one of those when I were
    a lad -- an old, second-hand one with a 945cc engine and the recessed headlamps, when she was learning to drive.)

    These cases remind me of the latter 1980s and the 1990s, when MS-DOS
    and Microsoft Windows gradually took over most of the PC market, in
    spite of their manifest technical drawbacks compared to more advanced
    products from Apple, Acorn, Amiga, Be ... just about anybody else,
    really. Those were flavourful platforms, whereas DOS/Windows seemed to
    me to be just ... porridge.

    But then, I suppose most people had machines of the beige, bland, Microsoft-compatible persuasion, so very likely products like this do
    evoke feelings of nostalgia in such individuals.

    Are you able to explain such feelings to someone like me? I’ll try my
    best not to fall asleep ...

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  • From Theo@3:633/10 to ldo@nz.invalid on Saturday, September 20, 2025 14:01:48
    From: theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk

    Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Every time I see one of these “retro-inspired” PC cases <https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/pc-cases/silverstones-retro-pc-flp02-case-launches-for-usd220-throw-back-5-25-inch-expansion-bays-meet-modern-360mm-radiator-support>,
    I feel a yawn coming on.

    Does anybody think of them as the personification of dullness? Like
    the Morris Minor was to cars? (My mother had one of those when I were
    a lad -- an old, second-hand one with a 945cc engine and the recessed headlamps, when she was learning to drive.)

    Surely that's the point - 'boring beige' is novel, amongst the endless variations of cases with glass sides and RGB lighting, which are pretty tiresome at this point. Of course you can still buy a featureless black cuboid, which is arguably the modern version of dullness. (look at a modern office PC)

    These cases remind me of the latter 1980s and the 1990s, when MS-DOS
    and Microsoft Windows gradually took over most of the PC market, in
    spite of their manifest technical drawbacks compared to more advanced products from Apple, Acorn, Amiga, Be ... just about anybody else,
    really. Those were flavourful platforms, whereas DOS/Windows seemed to
    me to be just ... porridge.

    But then, I suppose most people had machines of the beige, bland, Microsoft-compatible persuasion, so very likely products like this do
    evoke feelings of nostalgia in such individuals.

    Are you able to explain such feelings to someone like me? I’ll try my
    best not to fall asleep ...

    I suppose they might look dull if you haven't been paying attention to case design over the last 10+ years, but the point is they're different to what currently exists in the market. And for a lot of people who build PCs
    they're novel because they weren't born when this design was last in vogue.

    PS: the Morris Minor is now cool again now that everything is a same-looking crossover/SUV.

    Theo

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  • From Rich@3:633/10 to Theo on Saturday, September 20, 2025 16:07:46
    From: rich@example.invalid

    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    But then, I suppose most people had machines of the beige, bland,
    Microsoft-compatible persuasion, so very likely products like this
    do evoke feelings of nostalgia in such individuals.

    Are you able to explain such feelings to someone like me? I’ll try
    my best not to fall asleep ...

    I suppose they might look dull if you haven't been paying attention
    to case design over the last 10+ years, but the point is they're
    different to what currently exists in the market. And for a lot of
    people who build PCs they're novel because they weren't born when
    this design was last in vogue.

    Yup, yet another example of the point of the XKCD "Ten Thousand" comic: https://xkcd.com/1053/

    Those of us old enough to have had a great many "beige boxes" for
    computers along the way can easily forget that there's a whole
    generation that has never seen anything but the clear sided, rainbow
    color flashing/rotating LED light cases.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to Rich on Sunday, September 21, 2025 08:59:22
    From: not@telling.you.invalid

    Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    But then, I suppose most people had machines of the beige, bland,
    Microsoft-compatible persuasion, so very likely products like this
    do evoke feelings of nostalgia in such individuals.

    Are you able to explain such feelings to someone like me? I'll try
    my best not to fall asleep ...

    I suppose they might look dull if you haven't been paying attention
    to case design over the last 10+ years, but the point is they're
    different to what currently exists in the market. And for a lot of
    people who build PCs they're novel because they weren't born when
    this design was last in vogue.

    Yup, yet another example of the point of the XKCD "Ten Thousand" comic: https://xkcd.com/1053/

    Those of us old enough to have had a great many "beige boxes" for
    computers along the way

    I'm posting this with a 1990s beige box right now.

    can easily forget that there's a whole
    generation that has never seen anything but the clear sided, rainbow
    color flashing/rotating LED light cases.

    Actually the featureless black monoliths in the photos linking to
    other PC case articles around that page are new to me. I've seen
    window-sided cases with the LED fans inside (not on my own PCs,
    mind you), but those modern cases ironicially seem to be designed
    in the ultimate pursuit of _band_. No features whatsoever. How can
    you get more bland than that? I'd rather my beige box to one of
    those, although I don't care particularly about PC case aesthetics
    anyway.

    But LDO apparantly conflates old-fashioned with bland. If he
    nevertheless wants to understand retro-themed items, that's a
    problem I can't help him with.

    FWIW one practical thing I *hate* about most modern electronic
    enclosures, including some newer PC cases I've encountered, is
    the shiny polished plastic finish on them. This is planned
    obsolescence in plastic so far as I'm concerned. Unlike the
    textured finish on my beige gear, this shiny finish picks up every
    smudge or scratch possible. Cleaning without the most extreme care
    only causes more scratches. After a few years the finish
    inevitably looks worn and dirty, whereas a textured surface would
    still look fine (granted they still yellow, but I actually don't
    mind that so much). I try to ignore that, and if I bought a more
    expensive "retro" PC case just to avoid it I'd also feel conned,
    but it does really grate on me.

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  • From Lawrence =?iso-8859-13?q?D=FFOlivei@3:633/10 to Theo on Saturday, September 20, 2025 23:19:18
    From: ldo@nz.invalid

    On 20 Sep 2025 14:01:48 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:

    Surely that's the point - 'boring beige' is novel, amongst the
    endless variations of cases with glass sides and RGB lighting, which
    are pretty tiresome at this point. Of course you can still buy a
    featureless black cuboid, which is arguably the modern version of
    dullness. (look at a modern office PC)

    I don’t know from “featureless black cuboid”. I used to be an Apple
    Mac man for about a decade and a half, so I was exposed to *some*
    design sensibilities. My first non-Apple machine was a Shuttle box.
    And then I bought another one. “Featureless black cuboids” they were
    not.

    My current main machine is in a “Be Quiet” case. That’s black. It’s
    got panels with two different textured finishes, and bevelled edges
    with grillework -- “understated elegance” is how I would describe it.
    ;)

    I suppose they might look dull if you haven't been paying attention
    to case design over the last 10+ years, but the point is they're
    different to what currently exists in the market. And for a lot of
    people who build PCs they're novel because they weren't born when
    this design was last in vogue.

    It was *never* in any kind of “vogue”. It was what the PC makers came
    up with because they didn’t know any better. When Steve Jobs rejoined
    Apple and came up with the first iMacs and iBooks, that was when the
    rest of the PC industry woke up to the idea that, just maybe, it was
    time to put some decent industrial design into their products.

    Some of those early efforts were hilariously tasteless.

    PS: the Morris Minor is now cool again now that everything is a
    same-looking crossover/SUV.

    The Morris Minor is a horrible design to look at now.

    The timeless designs are the ones that combine looks with functional efficiency. That is, hatchbacks and station wagons (aka “estates” or “shooting brakes”). Modern estates look remarkably good, once
    designers figured out how to come up with a more smoothly integrated
    body design, instead of simply tacking an extension onto the basic
    sedan shape.

    I guess people movers also offer functional efficiency.

    Did you know a single car company pioneered both hatchbacks and people
    movers? The first hatchback was the Renault 16, and the first people
    mover was the Renault Espace.

    Renault was also the company that employed Pierre Bézier, he of the
    eponymous curves so well-known in computer graphics.

    Another French car company, Citroën, was the workplace of Paul de
    Casteljau, who came up with an algorithm for efficiently drawing
    Bézier curves.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sunday, September 21, 2025 09:43:30
    From: not@telling.you.invalid

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On 20 Sep 2025 14:01:48 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:
    I suppose they might look dull if you haven't been paying attention
    to case design over the last 10+ years, but the point is they're
    different to what currently exists in the market. And for a lot of
    people who build PCs they're novel because they weren't born when
    this design was last in vogue.

    It was *never* in any kind of "vogue". It was what the PC makers came
    up with because they didn't know any better. When Steve Jobs rejoined
    Apple and came up with the first iMacs and iBooks, that was when the
    rest of the PC industry woke up to the idea that, just maybe, it was
    time to put some decent industrial design into their products.

    Gah, that's when they started with all the shiny polished plastic
    finishes that I *hate*. Impractical computer equipment sold as
    fashion accessories. I never bought it from Apple and I don't like
    being forced to buy similar junk from every other company who are
    stupidly cloning them now.

    Some of those early efforts were hilariously tasteless.

    Thankfully the important things, the electronics, were deservedly
    given more attention, such that they can even still be working 30
    years later and save me buying more Apple-clone junk of today.

    PS: the Morris Minor is now cool again now that everything is a
    same-looking crossover/SUV.

    The Morris Minor is a horrible design to look at now.

    The timeless designs are the ones that combine looks with functional efficiency.

    Right, nothing with that horrible fragile shiny finish that Apple
    loves then. Efficiency doesn't mean replacing stuff every year just
    because the case is all scratched, chipped and smudged.

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  • From Rich@3:633/10 to Computer Nerd Kev on Sunday, September 21, 2025 01:34:10
    From: rich@example.invalid

    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote:
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On 20 Sep 2025 14:01:48 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:
    I suppose they might look dull if you haven't been paying attention
    to case design over the last 10+ years, but the point is they're
    different to what currently exists in the market. And for a lot of
    people who build PCs they're novel because they weren't born when
    this design was last in vogue.

    It was *never* in any kind of "vogue". It was what the PC makers
    came up with because they didn't know any better. When Steve Jobs
    rejoined Apple and came up with the first iMacs and iBooks, that was
    when the rest of the PC industry woke up to the idea that, just
    maybe, it was time to put some decent industrial design into their
    products.

    Gah, that's when they started with all the shiny polished plastic
    finishes that I *hate*. Impractical computer equipment sold as
    fashion accessories. I never bought it from Apple and I don't like
    being forced to buy similar junk from every other company who are
    stupidly cloning them now.

    Sadly, that is a lot of the 'design'. "Fashion accessory" design and
    nothing more.

    Efficiency doesn't mean replacing stuff every year just because the
    case is all scratched, chipped and smudged.

    But it does directly impact the yearly sales treadmill. When the
    upgrade treadmill of ten times the performance every nine months began
    to slow down, the makers desperately needed some way to keep those
    sales numbers artificially inflated.

    Enter the "fashion accessory" world where the makers try to convince
    everyone to 'upgrade' every nine months, not for performance increases
    which are paltry now as compared to twenty years ago, but because the
    nine month old look of the prior box is now passe (or scratched,
    chipped and smudged).

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