Re: Re: Perifractic acquired Commodore
By: Rug Rat to All on Mon Jun 30 2025 10:21 pm

What impresses me about the "new" Commodore is that they've got a lot of the original engineers lined up...including Dave Haynie, who had his hands in the C-128 and designed the AGA chips for Amiga.

Heck they even have Leonard Tramiel as "CTO"...Chief Tramiel Officer. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing given how Atari was run by the Trameil brothers, but it gives me a warm and fuzzy.

Would love to see an updated C128 or see the C65 as a "finished" product. For now I can't wait for my C64U to arrive. I've been using durexForth in VICE and I can't wait to use it on a "real" C64.

I think the last update they gave said they are including GEOS with the C64U.

Even without the possibility of a new Commodore64 being produced, I would think there would be quite a market for just the new chips such as the SID and VIC II. As supplies have dried up, leading to people canabalizing what would otherwise be repairable machines.

What about a Commodore 128, or 65s?

I would actually like to see a Hybrid TED, the increased color pallet and UARTS on the serial bus plus memory would be an interesting BBS machine..

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On Mon 8-Sep-2025 11:23a, Mortar M.@1:124/5016.0 said to Dave Drum:

Be nice if they'd bring the Amiga back. Then I could get rid of the

emulator

and use the real deal.

I would imagine that if they bring the "Amiga" back, most of the legacy stuff would still be using emulation, as you would need some way to run legacy 68XXX code. Similar to what Apple did when they transitioned from the architecture to Intel, and later to Apple Silicone.

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I would imagine that if they bring the "Amiga" back,
most of the legacy stuff would still be using
emulation, as you would need some way to run legacy
68XXX code. Similar to what Apple did when they
transitioned from the architecture to Intel, and later
to Apple Silicone.

Those Motorola 68000 processors were really something, weren't they?

-- Sean

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Re: Re: Perifractic acquired Commodore
By: Rug Rat to Mortar M. on Tue Sep 09 2025 20:00:34

Similar to what Apple did when they transitioned from the architecture...

Which architecture was that?

to Intel, and later to Apple Silicone.

What a bunch of boobs. I'd have gone with silicon.
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On Tue 9-Sep-2025 11:39p, Sean Dennis@1:18/200.0 said to Rug Rat:

I would imagine that if they bring the "Amiga" back,
most of the legacy stuff would still be using
emulation, as you would need some way to run legacy
68XXX code. Similar to what Apple did when they
transitioned from the architecture to Intel, and later
to Apple Silicone.

Those Motorola 68000 processors were really something, weren't they?

They were, it is too bad Motorola could not keep up with the power/performance curve. Though I will say, I loved the functionality of the Intel Mac Pro's (Cheese Grater). The versatility of being able to run Intel VMs on them for experimenting and standing up servers was AWESOME!

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On Wed 10-Sep-2025 10:44a, Mortar M.@1:124/5016.0 said to Rug Rat:

Re: Re: Perifractic acquired Commodore
By: Rug Rat to Mortar M. on Tue Sep 09 2025 20:00:34

Similar to what Apple did when they transitioned from the

architecture...

Which architecture was that?

680x0 -> PPC (Mostly developers would just write FAT code, IE applications would contain code for both the legacy arhitecture and PPC.

PPC -> Intel. PowerPC and to some extent legacy code ran in Rosetta, which was a dynamic translator to execute code on the fly during the transition.

Intel -> Apple Silicone. Similar methods were used when Apple went from Intel to their own chips, called Rosetta II I believe.

Microsoft uses a similar method on the ARM64 version of Windows to run legacy X64 code (In my oppinion, they do a slightly better job than Apple when running legacy apps. The only problem I run into when using Win11 ARM64 in a VM on an Apple Silicone box is with legacy realmode drivers.).

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They were, it is too bad Motorola could not keep up
with the power/performance curve. Though I will say, I
loved the functionality of the Intel Mac Pro's (Cheese
Grater). The versatility of being able to run Intel
VMs on them for experimenting and standing up servers
was AWESOME!

That was a great feature. The Amigas were ahead of their time too. I was initially a fan of the original Mac and not of the IBM PC though over time that changed. I still love the C64 though. Even though Commodore didn't build the C64s to their full capacity, the users sure did.

Ah, halcyon days. <G>

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Oh...

I also forgot WOW64 (Windows On Windows). the emulation layer that 64BIT bit Windows uses to run 32 bit code..

I know, I am beating a dead horse.. :)

So back to my original intent. Unless you are just going to be building NEW hardware to support the retro nich. Which is kind of silly, since you don't have the peripherial community to really use the hardware for real legacy stuff ( LIKE RUNNING A BBS!). It is cheaper to just use emulation.

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LOL.. This is what I get for trying to respond before I have had my coffee.

You would need some sort of an emulation layer to run any legacy code.

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