• Re: TESLAR HOMESS $7,999 SELF SUFICENT

    From Felix@3:633/10 to All on Friday, November 14, 2025 11:15:10
    Petzl wrote:
    <https://av.colofandom.com/aviet/breaking-elon-musk-announces-100-tesla-tiny-houses-ready-to-ship-free-bills-zero-taxes-and-surprising-interiors-the-wait-is-finally-over-elon-musk-just-confirmed-the-first-100-tesla-tiny/>
    https://tinyurl.com/tat2ct9y
    Elon Musk has officially confirmed what millions have been waiting
    for: the first 100 Tesla Tiny Houses are ready to ship. Priced at just $7,999, these revolutionary homes promise to change the way people
    live ? forever. Fully solar-powered, off-grid ready, and equipped with AI-driven smart systems, the Tesla Tiny House is being hailed as the
    boldest step yet toward true energy independence.

    The next phase, Musk confirmed, will be 10,000 homes by mid-2026 ? a
    massive scaling effort that could make Tesla one of the largest
    housing developers in the world.

    I've thought for some time that we get away from the idea that housing
    needs to be a brick veneer dwelling or an apartment in a multi level
    apartment block, both of which are expensive to own and build. surely
    with the technology we have today there must be simpler solutions
    available, and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of
    mine in the States is building a tiny house at present. however, the
    biggest problem against affordable housing is the opposition it would
    face from loss of jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist re housing. but with so many homeless, and those unable to afford housing
    or even rent, the system needs to change.

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  • From Felix@3:633/10 to All on Friday, November 14, 2025 11:18:06
    Felix wrote:
    Petzl wrote:
    <https://av.colofandom.com/aviet/breaking-elon-musk-announces-100-tesla-tiny-houses-ready-to-ship-free-bills-zero-taxes-and-surprising-interiors-the-wait-is-finally-over-elon-musk-just-confirmed-the-first-100-tesla-tiny/>

    ˙˙˙˙ https://tinyurl.com/tat2ct9y
    Elon Musk has officially confirmed what millions have been waiting
    for: the first 100 Tesla Tiny Houses are ready to ship. Priced at just
    $7,999, these revolutionary homes promise to change the way people
    live ? forever. Fully solar-powered, off-grid ready, and equipped with
    AI-driven smart systems, the Tesla Tiny House is being hailed as the
    boldest step yet toward true energy independence.

    The next phase, Musk confirmed, will be 10,000 homes by mid-2026 ? a
    massive scaling effort that could make Tesla one of the largest
    housing developers in the world.

    I've thought for some time that we get away from the idea that housing
    needs to be a brick veneer dwelling or an apartment in a multi level apartment block, both of which are expensive to own and build. surely
    with the technology we have today there must be simpler solutions
    available, and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of
    mine in the States is building a tiny house at present. however, the
    biggest problem against affordable housing is the opposition it would
    face from loss of jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist
    re housing. but with so many homeless, and those unable to afford
    housing or even rent, the system needs to change.


    "..that we need to get away from.."

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  • From Felix@3:633/10 to All on Friday, November 14, 2025 11:33:03
    Petzl wrote:
    <https://av.colofandom.com/aviet/breaking-elon-musk-announces-100-tesla-tiny-houses-ready-to-ship-free-bills-zero-taxes-and-surprising-interiors-the-wait-is-finally-over-elon-musk-just-confirmed-the-first-100-tesla-tiny/>
    https://tinyurl.com/tat2ct9y
    Elon Musk has officially confirmed what millions have been waiting
    for: the first 100 Tesla Tiny Houses are ready to ship. Priced at just $7,999, these revolutionary homes promise to change the way people
    live ? forever. Fully solar-powered, off-grid ready, and equipped with AI-driven smart systems, the Tesla Tiny House is being hailed as the
    boldest step yet toward true energy independence.

    The next phase, Musk confirmed, will be 10,000 homes by mid-2026 ? a
    massive scaling effort that could make Tesla one of the largest
    housing developers in the world.

    I've thought for some time that we should get away from the idea that
    housing needs to be a brick veneer dwelling or an apartment in a multi
    level apartment block, both of which are expensive to own and build.
    surely with the technology we have today there must be simpler solutions available, and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of
    mine in the States is building a tiny house at present. however, the
    biggest problem against affordable housing is the opposition it would
    face from loss of jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist re housing. but with so many homeless, and those unable to afford housing
    or even rent, the system needs to change.

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  • From Felix@3:633/10 to All on Friday, November 14, 2025 16:20:34
    Petzl wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Nov 2025 11:15:10 +1100, Felix <none@not.here> wrote:

    Petzl wrote:
    <https://av.colofandom.com/aviet/breaking-elon-musk-announces-100-tesla-tiny-houses-ready-to-ship-free-bills-zero-taxes-and-surprising-interiors-the-wait-is-finally-over-elon-musk-just-confirmed-the-first-100-tesla-tiny/>
    https://tinyurl.com/tat2ct9y
    Elon Musk has officially confirmed what millions have been waiting
    for: the first 100 Tesla Tiny Houses are ready to ship. Priced at just
    $7,999, these revolutionary homes promise to change the way people
    live ? forever. Fully solar-powered, off-grid ready, and equipped with
    AI-driven smart systems, the Tesla Tiny House is being hailed as the
    boldest step yet toward true energy independence.

    The next phase, Musk confirmed, will be 10,000 homes by mid-2026 ? a
    massive scaling effort that could make Tesla one of the largest
    housing developers in the world.
    I've thought for some time that we get away from the idea that housing
    needs to be a brick veneer dwelling or an apartment in a multi level
    apartment block, both of which are expensive to own and build. surely
    with the technology we have today there must be simpler solutions
    available, and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of
    mine in the States is building a tiny house at present. however, the
    biggest problem against affordable housing is the opposition it would
    face from loss of jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist re
    housing. but with so many homeless, and those unable to afford housing
    or even rent, the system needs to change.

    Turns out it was a scam click bait article

    he is building low cost housing. it's all over youtube eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdvOl41KKFs

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 15, 2025 07:34:59
    Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
    Petzl wrote:
    Turns out it was a scam click bait article

    he is building low cost housing. it's all over youtube eg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdvOl41KKFs

    Proof would surely be an actual Tesla web page. Where are people
    ordering these things from?

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 15, 2025 07:50:46
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of mine in the
    States is building a tiny house at present. however, the biggest problem >> against affordable housing is the opposition it would face from loss of
    jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist re housing.

    No legal problem with tiny houses

    There can be now that they're so popular:

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/tiny-house-on-wheels-evictions-nsw-victoria-calls-or-legislation-change/b7a4f440-a547-499d-b082-3ec62fd3264a
    https://rangestrader.mailcommunity.com.au/news/2025-04-26/tiny-house-eviction-highlights-policy-gaps/
    https://www.heus.com.au/news/reality-checkwe-live-in-tiny-home-community-but-are-facing-eviction-over-by-laws-that-dont-fit-the-reality-the-clock-is-ticking

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  • From Felix@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 15, 2025 11:07:12
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    Felix <none@not.here> wrote:
    Petzl wrote:
    Turns out it was a scam click bait article
    he is building low cost housing. it's all over youtube eg.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdvOl41KKFs
    Proof would surely be an actual Tesla web page. Where are people
    ordering these things from?


    good point. AI says..

    "As of November 14, 2025, the Tesla Tiny House has not been officially released for sale, and there is no confirmed release date for North
    America. While Tesla has showcased a prototype of a towable tiny house
    on its marketing pages, this model is currently a demonstration of its
    solar and Powerwall technology rather than a product available for
    purchase. The company has not yet announced a direct sales channel for
    the tiny house, though it is expected that if released, it would likely
    be sold through Tesla?s official website or Tesla Experience Centers, following its direct-to-consumer model used for cars and solar products.
    Some sources suggest that the Tesla Tiny House may be available through partnerships, such as with Boxabl, but these are currently on preorder
    and not yet ready for delivery. Alternative options include custom
    builders or companies like Craftsman Tiny Homes that offer
    Tesla-inspired homes, though these are not manufactured by Tesla itself. Potential buyers should monitor Tesla?s official website and authorized dealers for future announcements regarding availability and purchase
    options"

    and..

    https://elonbuzz.com/where-to-buy-tesla-tiny-house-2025-your-complete-guide/ "Tesla might offer the Tesla Tiny House 2025 directly to consumers
    through the Tesla official website or showrooms."

    https://gatorrated.com/blog/when-can-i-buy-a-tesla-house
    "Unfortunately, the release date for the Tiny Tesla House has not been announced, but the good news is that it may not be too far off, as it?s currently touring Australia"

    seems like many of the videos may be be AI generated.. https://search.brave.com/videos?q=telsla+tiny+house&source=web

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 15, 2025 11:29:29
    In aus.legal Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of mine in the
    States is building a tiny house at present. however, the biggest
    problem
    against affordable housing is the opposition it would face from loss of >>>> jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist re housing.

    No legal problem with tiny houses

    There can be now that they're so popular:

    They have always been legal

    Sure they're legal, if you comply with the "many rules and
    regulations", such as not living there for more than 18 months, 2
    years, etc. depending on your council. Or get planning permission
    and building inspections for a permanent structure which is another
    mountain of red tape. Therein lies the legal problem.

    and you are confusing small houses with ones with wheels

    Nope the same thing applies to both. Councils can put up lots of
    legal obstacles if they don't want you living in one.

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  • From Felix@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 15, 2025 13:29:06
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.legal Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of mine in the >>>>> States is building a tiny house at present. however, the biggest
    problem
    against affordable housing is the opposition it would face from loss of >>>>> jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist re housing.
    No legal problem with tiny houses
    There can be now that they're so popular:
    They have always been legal
    Sure they're legal, if you comply with the "many rules and
    regulations", such as not living there for more than 18 months, 2
    years, etc. depending on your council. Or get planning permission
    and building inspections for a permanent structure which is another
    mountain of red tape. Therein lies the legal problem.

    and you are confusing small houses with ones with wheels
    Nope the same thing applies to both. Councils can put up lots of
    legal obstacles if they don't want you living in one.


    imagine trying to have one in Toorak or Brighton :)

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 15, 2025 17:45:39
    In aus.legal Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Or get planning permission
    and building inspections for a permanent structure which is another
    mountain of red tape.

    There is no mountain of red tape to build
    a small house on a block of land you own.

    Rubbish, I saw all the hassle a neighbour had to go through just to
    put up a modest garden shed behind a house in the middle of
    farmland. Planning approval, engineering approval (which was an
    expensive red-stamp on the engineering drawings supplied by the
    shed kit manufacturer), and two building inspections.

    And pleny will sell you a small house with everything
    you need installed which arrives on the back of a truck
    which is no bigger than a 20' shipping container

    Sure, but then you need it approved or it's a "temporary structure"
    which you're not allowed to live in for more than a year or two. As
    described in the links I posted.

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Saturday, November 15, 2025 20:17:42
    On 15/11/2025 10:06 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of mine in the
    States is building a tiny house at present. however, the biggest
    problem
    against affordable housing is the opposition it would face from loss of >>>> jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist re housing.

    No legal problem with tiny houses

    There can be now that they're so popular:

    They have always been legal and you are confusing small houses with ones with wheels

    I've seen a few "Tiny houses", and they have all had wheels. If they
    didn't you'd probably need planning permission.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 16, 2025 07:00:43
    In aus.legal Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    I saw all the hassle a neighbour had to go through just to put upa
    modest garden shed behind a house in the middle of farmland.

    No planning permission necessary for the quite decent sheds
    that two of my mates have chosen to add to their new houses
    on normal housing blocks in new subdivisions here in just the
    last couple of years and with the vast majority of the new houses
    in those new subdivisions either.

    None was required for my house, or the house we bought
    and are now renting out or for any of my mates who have
    most build their houses on new subdivisions either

    Planning approval, engineering approval (which was an
    expensive red-stamp on the engineering drawings supplied by the
    shed kit manufacturer), and two building inspections.

    Nothing even remotely like that here or for any
    of my mates anywhere else in the country either

    And my nephew is a builder was a builder in melburg
    and one of my mates has had houses in victoria, all
    with sheds

    All the red tape is a new thing, it wasn't the case a few decades
    ago but my neighbour's garden shed was just a year ago. Certainly
    put me off getting anything new built. Requirements vary by council
    but I know in the nextdoor council area they wouldn't give planning
    permission for one farmer to put up a new shed because it might
    upset the native birds - even though there's a wind farm on his
    land. It's complete nonsense.

    And pleny will sell you a small house with everything
    you need installed which arrives on the back of a truck
    which is no bigger than a 20' shipping container

    Sure, but then you need it approved

    No different to a normal house

    They're supposed to be different to a normal house, that's the
    point. If you've got to go through all the approvals there'll be
    much more extra cost an uncertainty than the basic idea of placing
    an order and getting a house delivered.

    or it's a "temporary structure"

    Not if it doesnt have wheels

    which you're not allowed to live in for more thana year or two. As
    described in the links I posted.

    Those were talking about houses with WHEELS, fuckwit

    It's irrelevent whether it has wheels, it's about whether it's
    approved as a permanent structure. "Legal issues" exist regardless.

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  • From Computer Nerd Kev@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 16, 2025 07:58:26
    In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    I saw all the hassle a neighbour had to go through just to put upa
    modest garden shed behind a house in the middle of farmland.

    No planning permission necessary for the quite decent sheds
    that two of my mates have chosen to add to their new houses
    on normal housing blocks in new subdivisions here in just the
    last couple of years and with the vast majority of the new houses
    in those new subdivisions either.

    None was required for my house, or the house we bought
    and are now renting out or for any of my mates who have
    most build their houses on new subdivisions either

    Planning approval, engineering approval (which was an
    expensive red-stamp on the engineering drawings supplied by the
    shed kit manufacturer), and two building inspections.

    Nothing even remotely like that here or for any
    of my mates anywhere else in the country either

    And my nephew is a builder was a builder in melburg
    and one of my mates has had houses in victoria, all
    with sheds

    All the red tape is a new thing,

    More bullshit, 3 of my mates have just moved in to the
    big 4 bedroom houses they got built for them in the
    new subdivisions and they all have sheds and virtually
    all the other new houses have a shed and you can check
    that using google satellite view and google earth

    So they went through all the red tape, it's still a problem, and
    likely more of it for a house rather than a shed not intended to
    be lived in (or even have power/water connected in that garden
    shed's case).

    it wasn't the case a few decades ago but myneighbour's garden shed was
    just a year ago.

    So were those 3 mates of mine and the
    other houses in those new subdivisions

    Maybe they have nicer councils, but the legal problems are still
    there in councils that aren't so nice.

    Certainly put me off getting anything new built.

    More fool you.

    Requirements vary by council
    but I know in the nextdoor council area they wouldn't give planning
    permission for one farmer to put up a new shed because it might
    upset the native birds - even though there's a wind farm on his
    land. It's complete nonsense.

    That's not a normal housing block

    Neither shed is on a "normal housing block". Like I said, the middle
    of farmland. In "normal housing blocks" you'll have neighbours
    complaining instead, like in one of the tiny home links I posted but
    you're determined to make up excuses to ignore that.

    And pleny will sell you a small house with everything
    you need installed which arrives on the back of a truck
    which is no bigger than a 20' shipping container

    Sure, but then you need it approved

    No different to a normal house

    They're supposed to be different to a normal house,

    Only because of the size

    Nothing new about small kit houses, Aussies have been living in
    them for over 100 years. The idea is you can plonk one of these
    in a place you can't afford to put one of those other small houses.
    Rules and regulations won't make that so easy for many people.

    that's the
    point. If you've got to go through all the approvals there'll be
    much more extra cost an uncertainty than the basic idea of placing
    an order and getting a house delivered.

    More bullshit when that design has already
    been approved with previous sales.

    Same with my neighbour's shed kit which is a stock design by an
    Australian shed manufacturer.

    or it's a "temporary structure"

    Not if it doesnt have wheels

    which you're not allowed to live in for more thana year or two. As
    described in the links I posted.

    Those were talking about houses with WHEELS, fuckwit

    It's irrelevent whether it has wheels,

    Bullshit, that's what makes it temporary

    it's about whether it's approved as a permanentstructure. "Legal
    issues" exist regardless.

    Not necessarily, plenty of sheds dont need any
    planning permission or any council involvement
    because of their sized

    Only if the council is nice about them. Fact is that mine makes it
    hard, and many councils are making it hard for tiny houses too.

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  • From Felix@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 16, 2025 12:10:46
    Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.legal Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    I saw all the hassle a neighbour had to go through just to put upa
    modest garden shed behind a house in the middle of farmland.
    No planning permission necessary for the quite decent sheds
    that two of my mates have chosen to add to their new houses
    on normal housing blocks in new subdivisions here in just the
    last couple of years and with the vast majority of the new houses
    in those new subdivisions either.

    None was required for my house, or the house we bought
    and are now renting out or for any of my mates who have
    most build their houses on new subdivisions either

    Planning approval, engineering approval (which was an
    expensive red-stamp on the engineering drawings supplied by the
    shed kit manufacturer), and two building inspections.
    Nothing even remotely like that here or for any
    of my mates anywhere else in the country either

    And my nephew is a builder was a builder in melburg
    and one of my mates has had houses in victoria, all
    with sheds
    All the red tape is a new thing, it wasn't the case a few decades
    ago but my neighbour's garden shed was just a year ago. Certainly
    put me off getting anything new built. Requirements vary by council
    but I know in the nextdoor council area they wouldn't give planning permission for one farmer to put up a new shed because it might
    upset the native birds - even though there's a wind farm on his
    land. It's complete nonsense.

    birds matter more then farmers? the world's gone mad..


    And pleny will sell you a small house with everything
    you need installed which arrives on the back of a truck
    which is no bigger than a 20' shipping container
    Sure, but then you need it approved
    No different to a normal house
    They're supposed to be different to a normal house, that's the
    point. If you've got to go through all the approvals there'll be
    much more extra cost an uncertainty than the basic idea of placing
    an order and getting a house delivered.

    or it's a "temporary structure"
    Not if it doesnt have wheels

    which you're not allowed to live in for more thana year or two. As
    described in the links I posted.
    Those were talking about houses with WHEELS, fuckwit
    It's irrelevent whether it has wheels, it's about whether it's
    approved as a permanent structure. "Legal issues" exist regardless.




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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 16, 2025 16:31:18
    On 16/11/2025 3:30 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au> wrote
    Rod Speed wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of mine in the >>>>>> States is building a tiny house at present. however, the biggest
    problem
    against affordable housing is the opposition it would face from
    loss of
    jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist re housing.

    No legal problem with tiny houses

    There can be now that they're so popular:

    ˙They have always been legal and you are confusing small houses with
    ones with wheels

    I've seen a few "Tiny houses", and they have all had wheels.

    What some fuckwit pom may or may not have seen is completely irrelevant

    The small houses that come on a truck don't have wheels and neither
    what the mining industry calls dongas either and neither do granny flats

    Note the wheels

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tiny+house&ia=images&iax=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ruumtinyhouses.com%2Fimg%2Fog.png

    If they˙ didn't you'd probably need planning permission.

    Just like a normal house and you are wrong about demountables too in
    many jurisdictions

    No anywhere I've lived, I suppose that out there beyond the black stump,
    you can get away with murder, and, in Griffith, many have.

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  • From keithr0@3:633/10 to All on Sunday, November 16, 2025 16:35:39
    On 16/11/2025 7:58 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
    In aus.computers Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote

    I saw all the hassle a neighbour had to go through just to put upa
    modest garden shed behind a house in the middle of farmland.

    No planning permission necessary for the quite decent sheds
    that two of my mates have chosen to add to their new houses
    on normal housing blocks in new subdivisions here in just the
    last couple of years and with the vast majority of the new houses
    in those new subdivisions either.

    None was required for my house, or the house we bought
    and are now renting out or for any of my mates who have
    most build their houses on new subdivisions either

    Planning approval, engineering approval (which was an
    expensive red-stamp on the engineering drawings supplied by the
    shed kit manufacturer), and two building inspections.

    Nothing even remotely like that here or for any
    of my mates anywhere else in the country either

    And my nephew is a builder was a builder in melburg
    and one of my mates has had houses in victoria, all
    with sheds

    All the red tape is a new thing,

    More bullshit, 3 of my mates have just moved in to the
    big 4 bedroom houses they got built for them in the
    new subdivisions and they all have sheds and virtually
    all the other new houses have a shed and you can check
    that using google satellite view and google earth

    So they went through all the red tape, it's still a problem, and
    likely more of it for a house rather than a shed not intended to
    be lived in (or even have power/water connected in that garden
    shed's case).

    it wasn't the case a few decades ago but myneighbour's garden shed was
    just a year ago.

    So were those 3 mates of mine and the
    other houses in those new subdivisions

    Maybe they have nicer councils, but the legal problems are still
    there in councils that aren't so nice.

    Certainly put me off getting anything new built.

    More fool you.

    Requirements vary by council
    but I know in the nextdoor council area they wouldn't give planning
    permission for one farmer to put up a new shed because it might
    upset the native birds - even though there's a wind farm on his
    land. It's complete nonsense.

    That's not a normal housing block

    Neither shed is on a "normal housing block". Like I said, the middle
    of farmland. In "normal housing blocks" you'll have neighbours
    complaining instead, like in one of the tiny home links I posted but
    you're determined to make up excuses to ignore that.

    And pleny will sell you a small house with everything
    you need installed which arrives on the back of a truck
    which is no bigger than a 20' shipping container

    Sure, but then you need it approved

    No different to a normal house

    They're supposed to be different to a normal house,

    Only because of the size

    Nothing new about small kit houses, Aussies have been living in
    them for over 100 years. The idea is you can plonk one of these
    in a place you can't afford to put one of those other small houses.
    Rules and regulations won't make that so easy for many people.

    that's the
    point. If you've got to go through all the approvals there'll be
    much more extra cost an uncertainty than the basic idea of placing
    an order and getting a house delivered.

    More bullshit when that design has already
    been approved with previous sales.

    Same with my neighbour's shed kit which is a stock design by an
    Australian shed manufacturer.

    or it's a "temporary structure"

    Not if it doesnt have wheels

    which you're not allowed to live in for more thana year or two. As
    described in the links I posted.

    Those were talking about houses with WHEELS, fuckwit

    It's irrelevent whether it has wheels,

    Bullshit, that's what makes it temporary

    it's about whether it's approved as a permanentstructure. "Legal
    issues" exist regardless.

    Not necessarily, plenty of sheds dont need any
    planning permission or any council involvement
    because of their sized

    Only if the council is nice about them. Fact is that mine makes it
    hard, and many councils are making it hard for tiny houses too.

    I had a shed put up that didn't need council permission, but only
    because it is less than 5sqM, and is not considered habitation.

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  • From Peter Jason@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, November 27, 2025 06:51:23


    There are plenty of very small granny flats that are
    perfectly legal and bed sit flats in blocks of flats so
    you don't have to pay for a whole block of land

    What about water supply and dunnies? And power? People living in car
    or vans must have problems even though they park in the middle of
    town.


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  • From Peter Jason@3:633/10 to All on Thursday, November 27, 2025 06:57:49
    On Sun, 16 Nov 2025 09:11:34 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 15 Nov 2025 20:17:42 +1000, keithr0 <me@bugger.off.com.au>
    wrote:

    On 15/11/2025 10:06 am, Rod Speed wrote:
    Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    and kudos to Musk for his initiative. In fact a friend of mine in the >>>>>> States is building a tiny house at present. however, the biggest
    problem
    against affordable housing is the opposition it would face from loss of >>>>>> jobs, and that so many rules and regulations exist re housing.

    No legal problem with tiny houses

    There can be now that they're so popular:

    They have always been legal and you are confusing small houses with ones >>> with wheels

    I've seen a few "Tiny houses", and they have all had wheels. If they >>didn't you'd probably need planning permission.

    Apparently doesn't apply for Moslems.
    A neighbour of mine embezzled over 2 million from the NSWFB 10 years
    ago to buy the house next to me.
    He immediately put up 8 foot high steel commercial fence (which I
    liked) no one came to tell him to tear it down.
    Seems if no one complains you get away with it.
    ICAC had a complaint about his embezzlement though.
    Seems he knocked off a laptop one of his workmates was after.
    His workmate got miffed and called in ICAC
    He sold the house for half what he paid for, after being sentenced for
    3 years jail (lawyer bills?).
    The new neighbors are tops, no troubles. like to keep to themselves.
    Fence to them is not a problem either.

    So all is fine till you get dobbed in.
    Just recently a neighbour became miffed at another and complained
    about it being on her footpath/road verge ><https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-family-faces-fine-over-immaculate-lawn/b38e6366-7c60-4e2f-8c82-82da512bd6df>
    https://tinyurl.com/353cuvh3
    The synthetic grass covers the front and back yards but it is the
    footpath patch that has made her local council see red.
    In a letter, Gold Coast City Council advised her to rip it up or face
    further action.

    The old rule applies. If you don't bother anyone, you can do as you
    like.
    I have evil designs on a footpath tree which I surreptitiously prune
    back every winter. Normally, interfering with a council tree is a
    capital offence.
    My neighbor & I have put up a 2m paling fence without permission.


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